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[QUOTE=Schneed10;412011]Nice post.

Saying you'll abandon the team if such and such happens is a ridiculous emotional reaction. When the season comes back around, not a single person here will be rooting against the Fassel-led Redskins.

This site is for knowledgeable discussion, let's take a cerebral approach. There are valid points to be made for Fassel, and valid ones against him. Same for Williams. So let's discuss, but making statements like "I quit the Redskins" is absurd and just clutters the board.

Besides, nobody knows what the hell's going to happen. Fassel could be the next Bill Belichick for all we know. So could GW.

Let's discuss it and debate it [B]intelligently[/B].[/QUOTE]


Just curious...maybe I missed something here but who is saying they will abandon the team?

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[quote=skinsnut;412022]Just curious...maybe I missed something here but who is saying they will abandon the team?[/quote]

Morons, that's who.

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[quote=Schneed10;412011]

Besides, nobody knows what the hell's going to happen. Fassel could be the next Bill Belichick for all we know. So could GW.
[/quote]


I hope we NEVER have the next Belichick. His win and loss record can never make up for the fact he's a total jackass.

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[QUOTE=Buster;412029]I hope we NEVER have the next Belichick. His win and loss record can never make up for the fact he's a total jackass.[/QUOTE]I don't believe that for a second (unless it turns out that he's committed serious crimes against humanity)
I have friends and relatives who are jackasses. If they weren't either my friend or my relative I would probably hate them; but since I do have a relationship with them for whatever reason I can look past their faults.

I think that's how it would be with a winning HC, unless he did some serious OJ/Chris Beniot type stuff.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;412026]Morons, that's who.[/QUOTE]

very funny...but true

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does anyone remember the source of the Brunell Seattle trade rumor at the beginning of the season?

Is it the same source of this rumor?
I'd like to know who is a dependable source and who is not.

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While many people are saying they don't want it to be Fassel or Williams, who out there would you REALLY want that's available right now?

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I know that Richards (NE OC) said that he does not want to interview for head jobs, but it is atleast worth looking at after the Super Bowl. I know he has talent, but at 31 he has the best offense ever in the NFL. Keeping Moss happy, Maroney happy with barely any touches and Stallworth has even been quiet considering he is non-existent in the offense. Snyder will throw him the money we know that!

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[QUOTE=ksmitty7723;412042]I know that Richards (NE OC) said that he does not want to interview for head jobs, but it is atleast worth looking at after the Super Bowl. I know he has talent, but at 31 he has the best offense ever in the NFL. Keeping Moss happy, Maroney happy with barely any touches and Stallworth has even been quiet considering he is non-existent in the offense. Snyder will throw him the money we know that![/QUOTE]

Richards?

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;411671]We could still win if Dan Snyder hires Fassel and Williams goes someplace else. We might lose if Snyder hires Williams as head coach. But, for now, I for one still want Williams and the rest of the coaching staff to stick around. That's not an indictment of Snyder, that's an endorsement of the franchise Joe Gibbs left us with.[/QUOTE]

[URL="http://http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/24/AR2008012402958.html"]Boswell[/URL] said what I didn't but wanted to.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;412468][URL="http://http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/24/AR2008012402958.html"]Boswell[/URL] said what I didn't but wanted to.[/quote]


what a blistering article...it seems like there's mutiny in DC right now...I don't see how Dan is immune to all of this...he has to know what is going on

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;412468][URL="http://http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/24/AR2008012402958.html"]Boswell[/URL] said what I didn't but wanted to.[/QUOTE]

When Boswell speaks, I always listen. He's earned that, for sure.

Still, I wonder about this part

"Some wonder if the Redskins already have burned their bridges with Williams, who specifically came to Washington so he could learn to handle people -- and smooth the edges of his blunt personality -- by exposing himself to Gibbs's influence. If you worked for four years as one of the central architects of a business, yet your boss still needed to interview you four times, including one 10-hour marathon, to make sure you were the right person for the job, would you feel wanted?"

Why aren't we asking how much did he learn in terms of handling people, did he smooth the edges of his blunt personality, what reasons beyond leading a top defense are there for him to think he should feel wanted to lead the entire team, what are Williams' visions for the team anyway? I'm not putting blame on or absolving blame from anyone here, I just find it kind of curious that no one (not Gibbs, not Snyder) ever, in the past four years, said-like Vermiel did with Martz, like Dungy apparently now with Caldwell-this (Williams) is our guy when the time comes.

Not "we're happy with him" or "continuity is key" but something more concrete.

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[quote=SmootSmack;412491]When Boswell speaks, I always listen. He's earned that, for sure.

Still, I wonder about this part

"Some wonder if the Redskins already have burned their bridges with Williams, who specifically came to Washington so he could learn to handle people -- and smooth the edges of his blunt personality -- by exposing himself to Gibbs's influence. If you worked for four years as one of the central architects of a business, yet your boss still needed to interview you four times, including one 10-hour marathon, to make sure you were the right person for the job, would you feel wanted?"

Why aren't we asking how much did he learn in terms of handling people, did he smooth the edges of his blunt personality, what reasons beyond leading a top defense are there for him to think he should feel wanted to lead the entire team, what are Williams' visions for the team anyway? I'm not putting blame on or absolving blame from anyone here, [B]I just find it kind of curious that no one (not Gibbs, not Snyder) ever, in the past four years, said-like Vermiel did with Martz, like Dungy apparently now with Caldwell-this (Williams) is our guy when the time comes. [/B]

Not "we're happy with him" or "continuity is key" but something more concrete.[/quote]
Joe is the king of ambiguity. You rarely ever get anything concrete from him. It's one of the few things about him that frustrates me so much.

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[QUOTE=Lady Brave;412493]Joe is the king of ambiguity. You rarely ever get anything concrete from him. It's one of the few things about him that frustrates me so much.[/QUOTE]

Maybe Coach Joe knows that with the fanbase we have that less info. is more. We're a very ''to do'', ''savy'' fanbase - not much gets by the people of DC metro area - hell, some could afford to own the 'Skins!

I don't know.... I don't know what to think anymore. I will say - I'm going to sit back and believe that they know better then I, or I would be in their business. I'm a Redskin fan and that will not change!

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I can't help to think that this has affected Gregg Williams. Some are wondering if he'll even accept the offer at this point. Jackonsville does have an opening for D-Coordinator.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;412501]I can't help to think that this has affected Gregg Williams. Some are wondering if he'll even accept the offer at this point. Jackonsville does have an opening for D-Coordinator.[/QUOTE]


It is what it is
We play next fall no matter what - I'll be a fan regardless

HAIL!!!

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[QUOTE=12thMan;412501]I can't help to think that this has affected Gregg Williams. Some are wondering if he'll even accept the offer at this point. Jackonsville does have an opening for D-Coordinator.[/QUOTE]

I think he'll accept the job if offered. But it must certainly be affecting everyone directly involved.

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GW def got the short end of the stick. now, if he's not offered the job, he's squandered opportunities to interview elsewhere for a hc job. Not that i'm for or against him. I still stick by the whole "players play- coaches coach" mantra

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but i guess he could just take a year off and go it again next year....

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[quote=12thMan;412501]I can't help to think that this has affected Gregg Williams. Some are wondering if he'll even accept the offer at this point. Jackonsville does have an opening for D-Coordinator.[/quote]

If offered the job, I think he'll take it. I can't see his pride standing in the way of a head coaching job- gotta figure that if the skins didn't want him for the role, its going to make it that much harder for him to secure one on the open market.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;412491]When Boswell speaks, I always listen. He's earned that, for sure.

Still, I wonder about this part

"Some wonder if the Redskins already have burned their bridges with Williams, who specifically came to Washington so he could learn to handle people -- and smooth the edges of his blunt personality -- by exposing himself to Gibbs's influence. If you worked for four years as one of the central architects of a business, yet your boss still needed to interview you four times, including one 10-hour marathon, to make sure you were the right person for the job, would you feel wanted?"

Why aren't we asking how much did he learn in terms of handling people, did he smooth the edges of his blunt personality, what reasons beyond leading a top defense are there for him to think he should feel wanted to lead the entire team, what are Williams' visions for the team anyway? I'm not putting blame on or absolving blame from anyone here, I just find it kind of curious that no one (not Gibbs, not Snyder) ever, in the past four years, said-like Vermiel did with Martz, like Dungy apparently now with Caldwell-this (Williams) is our guy when the time comes.

Not "we're happy with him" or "continuity is key" but something more concrete.[/QUOTE]

Reportedly, Gibbs has strongly endorsed Williams behind closed doors and not in public because he doesn't want to put additional pressure on Snyder. I've had my reservations about Williams, but 99% if not ALL of us on this site wanted Williams to get the job. Frankly, I'm not sure why people (not you SS or anyone in particular) are backing off their support of Williams and critiquing those who don't like this delay in hiring a coach.

Beyond leaving the current coaches and players in limbo, this delay in hiring a coach is costing us the opportunity to try to hire all the assistants we will need. The best candidates are getting picked off and unless we plan to poach and promote coaches from other teams, I am left to wonder how good any coaching staff we assemble is going to be at this point. Finally, what about offseason planning? The combine is coming up and I don't like the idea of our coaching staff not even being announced until sometime around the Pro Bowl.

I just pray to God that Dan Snyder isn't trying to make a splash by hiring Josh McDaniels.

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I like Boswell too but let's face it he's speculating just like the rest of us.

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[quote=SmootSmack;412491]
Why aren't we asking how much did he learn in terms of handling people, did he smooth the edges of his blunt personality[/quote]

I thought we learned a lot about his personal and leadership skills after Sean was murdered. But I agree we know very little about what his plans would be for the team as a whole.

Unfortunately we also don't REALLY know what Fassel's would be, or anyone else's, really.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;412541][B]Reportedly, Gibbs has strongly endorsed Williams behind closed doors and not in public because he doesn't want to put additional pressure on Snyder.[/B] I've had my reservations about Williams, but 99% if not ALL of us on this site wanted Williams to get the job. Frankly, I'm not sure why people (not you SS or anyone in particular) are backing off their support of Williams and critiquing those who don't like this delay in hiring a coach.

Beyond leaving the current coaches and players in limbo, this delay in hiring a coach is costing us the opportunity to try to hire all the assistants we will need. The best candidates are getting picked off and unless we plan to poach and promote coaches from other teams, I am left to wonder how good any coaching staff we assemble is going to be at this point. Finally, what about offseason planning? The combine is coming up and I don't like the idea of our coaching staff not even being announced until sometime around the Pro Bowl.

I just pray to God that Dan Snyder isn't trying to make a splash by hiring Josh McDaniels.[/quote]

Where was that reported? I know that is what a lot of people assume, but I haven't heard or seen that anywhere.

I must fall into the 1% because I'm not sold that GW is the best answer. Maybe he is and maybe he is not. I appreciate them taking time to hire the new staff, and not pull the emotional trigger and crown GW immediately. I say staff, because no matter what happens, not only will we have a new head coach, but we'll have new O and D coordinators, and new assistants too, whether the new head coach is GW, Fassel, or Micky Mouse. Continuity went out the window when Gibbs stepped down.

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Everyone talks about keeping consistency, lets assume we keep Williams and Saunders. I think its still goign to be a new offense for Jason Campbell with Gibbs gone. And I hope thats the case, I really want to see Saunders get to call his plays. Yes I know he was calling plays, but the hback, counter tre, things like that were definitly added by Gibbs. This isnt a shot at Gibbs at all, I just want to see Saunders have full control and do what he did in St Louis and for teh Chiefs

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[quote=SmootSmack;412491]When Boswell speaks, I always listen. He's earned that, for sure.

Still, I wonder about this part

"Some wonder if the Redskins already have burned their bridges with Williams, who specifically came to Washington so he could learn to handle people -- and smooth the edges of his blunt personality -- by exposing himself to Gibbs's influence. If you worked for four years as one of the central architects of a business, yet your boss still needed to interview you four times, including one 10-hour marathon, to make sure you were the right person for the job, would you feel wanted?"

Why aren't we asking how much did he learn in terms of handling people, did he smooth the edges of his blunt personality, what reasons beyond leading a top defense are there for him to think he should feel wanted to lead the entire team, what are Williams' visions for the team anyway? I'm not putting blame on or absolving blame from anyone here, I just find it kind of curious that no one (not Gibbs, not Snyder) ever, in the past four years, said-like Vermiel did with Martz, like Dungy apparently now with Caldwell-this (Williams) is our guy when the time comes.

Not "we're happy with him" or "continuity is key" but something more concrete.[/quote]

The only thing I didn't like about Bos' article is that he assumes that the 4 interviews were just 'interviews' when in all likelihood they were hashing out business details, in which GW might've made a few demands himself.

I think you can look at it from both extremes, the danny wanted 4 meetings to give GW every chance, or he wanted 4 mtgs. to convince himself that GW is the man. I just get tired of hearing assumptions about these 4 interviews, as if the danny asked him the same questions in each one. I think it was Matty that said in another post, maybe GW is being hard headed & inflexible.

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If Gregg Williams was some other team's D-coordinator instead of ours, he'd
probably be Snyder's #1 candidate right now.

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[quote=Larry Michael is Satan;412687]If Gregg Williams was some other team's D-coordinator instead of ours, he'd
probably be Snyder's #1 candidate right now.[/quote]


haha...good one!

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[quote=Larry Michael is Satan;412687]If Gregg Williams was some other team's D-coordinator instead of ours, he'd
probably be Snyder's #1 candidate right now.[/quote]

I think you just pretty much summed up everything.

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[quote=Larry Michael is Satan;412687]If Gregg Williams was some other team's D-coordinator instead of ours, he'd
probably be Snyder's #1 candidate right now.[/quote]

The fact is, you don't know that he's [I]not[/I] Snyder's #1 candidate right now.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;412717]The fact is, you don't know that he's [I]not[/I] Snyder's #1 candidate right now.[/quote]


while you're right we dont KNOW that...I would say that that's one of the things we can guess at pretty clearly

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[quote=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;412719]while you're right we dont KNOW that...I would say that that's one of the things we can guess at pretty clearly[/quote]

LOL, yeah we could always just keep guessing. That is pretty clear.

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[quote=SmootSmack;412491]When Boswell speaks, I always listen. He's earned that, for sure.

Still, I wonder about this part

"Some wonder if the Redskins already have burned their bridges with Williams, who specifically came to Washington so he could learn to handle people -- and smooth the edges of his blunt personality -- by exposing himself to Gibbs's influence. If you worked for four years as one of the central architects of a business, yet your boss still needed to interview you four times, including one 10-hour marathon, to make sure you were the right person for the job, would you feel wanted?"

Why aren't we asking how much did he learn in terms of handling people, did he smooth the edges of his blunt personality, what reasons beyond leading a top defense are there for him to think he should feel wanted to lead the entire team, what are Williams' visions for the team anyway? I'm not putting blame on or absolving blame from anyone here, I just find it kind of curious that no one (not Gibbs, not Snyder) ever, in the past four years, said-like Vermiel did with Martz, like Dungy apparently now with Caldwell-this (Williams) is our guy when the time comes.

Not "we're happy with him" or "continuity is key" but something more concrete.[/quote]
I never heard that Williams came here because he wanted to learn how to handle people. I think he made that up. Williams came here because of the $$$$$$ and because of Gibbs name and history. Now has he learned from him over the past 3 years? I'm sure he has but I just don't think that why he came here.

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[quote=Larry Michael is Satan;412687]If Gregg Williams was some other team's D-coordinator instead of ours, he'd
probably be Snyder's #1 candidate right now.[/quote]LMIS, You have captured the essense of the Snyder regime in one sentence - brilliant!

For The Danny, there will always be players and coaches elsewhere that have more "sizzle" than his own. For this reason, we will probably never have long term stability like most great franchises. Joe Gibbs was our last/best chance at building a stable organization since Snyder was more patient with his failings than past coaches.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80639f36&template=with-video&confirm=true]Speculation, rumors surround Redskins coaching search[/url]

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[quote=Buster;412756][URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80639f36&template=with-video&confirm=true"]Speculation, rumors surround Redskins coaching search[/URL][/quote]
What a duff. He has an un named source which is saying just about what Gibbs said yesterday. All he is doing is taking Gibbs time table of two weeks and coming up with the conclusion that they want to interview coaches from the Giants and Pats. I guess it took his tough investigative work to figure that out but he ends the peice by covering his a$$ by saying Snyder could do something else. WOW, maybe I need to switch jobs.