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[quote=skinsfan69;421265]I don't know if I'd put CJ on TO's level. He close though. But to me the risk outweighs the reward. It's going to take a #1 pick and a ton of cash. [b]To me WR's can be found in the draft,[/b] kind of like how GB did it. I'd MUCH rather get some O-line help or a pass rushing DE. In the end the games are always won and lost in the trenches and the NYG proved that in the SB by whipping the Pats o-line.[/quote]

And from what I have read, the draft is supposed to be pretty thick at WR this year.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;421288]And from what I have read, the draft is supposed to be pretty thick at WR this year.[/quote]


no it isnt

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I wonder at what price we can get him?If we can get him without trading every pick we have(wich snyder loves to do)then Yes let's get him.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;421288]And from what I have read, the draft is supposed to be pretty thick at WR this year.[/QUOTE]

Devin Thomas could fall to the Skins in the second round.

I'd be reluctant to trade a first round pick straight up for Chad Johnson but I would definitely hear what the Bengals have to say, and engage in discussions with them.

You have to use your draft picks to build the best possible team. But that does not always mean you use the picks to select players out of college. Sometimes it means using those picks as leverage to acquire proven NFL players.

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there aren't a lot of great wideouts in the draft, it seems. running backs are pretty good, and some good defenders and linemen, but if linas sweed is the #1 guy, its pretty bleak. He's decent and was a huge target, but he strikes me as a mike williams kind of receiver.

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[quote=canthetuna;421299]there aren't a lot of great wideouts in the draft, it seems. running backs are pretty good, and some good defenders and linemen, but if linas sweed is the #1 guy, its pretty bleak. He's decent and was a huge target, but he strikes me as a mike williams kind of receiver.[/quote]

Accept Sweed can't stay healthy.

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[quote=SmootSmack;421297]Devin Thomas could fall to the Skins in the second round.

I'd be reluctant to trade a first round pick straight up for Chad Johnson but I would definitely hear what the Bengals have to say, and engage in discussions with them.

You have to use your draft picks to build the best possible team. But that does not always mean you use the picks to select players out of college. Sometimes it means using those picks as leverage to acquire proven NFL players.[/quote]

I saw quite a bit of this guy because it seems I was always betting for or against Mich. State. He was number 5 right? One thing that stood out was how explosive that guy was. I remember him just going off on Penn State. Actually I remember him going off on quite a few people. Plus he is a real built guy. I like that pick. A lot!!!!!! Much better value than chasing over priced FA's.

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prima donas suck

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;421193]I disagree if you look at our last ten year history based on that lonely we aren't a winning franchise & CJ knows that. He likes our potential as a team plus it was mentioned he was interested in us & Miami trust me he wants to win but he wouldn't pitch that big of a fit if we lost games.[/quote]

Of course he likes our potential as a team (if he is actually considering coming here) but that's just my point. If the team's potential does not live up to his expectations, he will be dissapointed, and pitch a fit; he'll do the same thing he's doing in Cincy, cry like a baby until he gets his way and we trade him or release him. Again, we can avoid that mess simply by winning, but why take that chance? Based on his behavior, there is no reason to believe he wouldn't resort to acting like a prima donna cry baby if we start to lose.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;421309]I saw quite a bit of this guy because it seems I was always betting for or against Mich. State. He was number 5 right? One thing that stood out was how explosive that guy was. I remember him just going off on Penn State. Actually I remember him going off on quite a few people. Plus he is a real built guy. I like that pick. A lot!!!!!! Much better value than chasing over priced FA's.[/QUOTE]

yup #5. I think he could be a really good addition for the team. But it's possible Lawrence Jackson (who from what I've seen lately is projected around the 40-50th overall pick) could slip to the Redskins in the second round and then maybe we could target Adarius Bowman in the 3rd round.

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hell yes i want him on our team. elite reciever not near a level of to as a team killer

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Trade Lloyd, and a second rounder for him. Sign him for one year, and see what happens. We have nothing to lose at this point. Spurrier would have been a better choice than a QB coach ./.err off coord./. err Head Coach! I hate the way this franchise is going now. OMFG just get CJ and throw every pass to him, and treat him like Randy Moss. We'll make the playoffs, and that would keep his mouth shut.

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[quote=XXVI;421353][B]Trade Lloyd[/B], and a second rounder for him. Sign him for one year, and see what happens. We have nothing to lose at this point. Spurrier would have been a better choice than a QB coach ./.err off coord./. err Head Coach! I hate the way this franchise is going now. OMFG just get CJ and throw every pass to him, and treat him like Randy Moss. We'll make the playoffs, and that would keep his mouth shut.[/quote]

I'd be really surprised if anyone wanted him.

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I would definitely want Chad Johnson to come to D.C., but I would not give up a first round pick for him. I would however entertain the idea of trading this year's and next year's 2nd round pick for him though.

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[quote=RMSkins;421355]I would definitely want Chad Johnson to come to D.C., but I would not give up a first round pick for him. I would however entertain the idea of trading this year's and next year's 2nd round pick for him though.[/quote]

Well you know Danny Boy, he'll probably dig up some sort of idea to be able to get him. Either that or he'll just throw away our picks. He's already made 1 surprise move. Why not another?

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Making a big splash for a player like Johnson would be a quick way to reignite a positive vibe after Gibbs' retirement and the long, drawn out coaching search.

Snyder loves him, and Johnson wants to be here because he know he will get a new contract before he ever even plays a down in Maroon and Black. (I mean Burgundy and Gold!) It will happen.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;421332]yup #5. I think he could be a really good addition for the team. But it's possible Lawrence Jackson (who from what I've seen lately is projected around the 40-50th overall pick) could slip to the Redskins in the second round and then maybe we could target Adarius Bowman in the 3rd round.[/QUOTE]

That would be a great draft. What I love is that so many prospects shoot up or plummet down the charts after the combine simply because they did or did not run a good 40 or looked cut or sloppy. For that reason, I'm sure at least one prospect who is currently projected to go in the late 1st round will slip to us in the 2nd.

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WR is a tough position to prognosticate, when it comes to rookie success. CJ is a proven receiver and after seeing him in the skills challenge a few years ago, I think he's the best receiver in the league (even though the numbers may not show that). Any help for Campbell is welcome.

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[quote=itvnetop;421375]WR is a tough position to prognosticate, when it comes to rookie success. CJ is a proven receiver and after seeing him in the skills challenge a few years ago, I think he's the best receiver in the league (even though the numbers may not show that). Any help for Campbell is welcome.[/quote]

CJ, Moss and ARE in the slot? Man that sounds like a secondary's worse nightmare.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;421365]That would be a great draft. What I love is that so many prospects shoot up or plummet down the charts after the combine simply because they did or did not run a good 40 or looked cut or sloppy. For that reason, I'm sure at least one prospect who is currently projected to go in the late 1st round will slip to us in the 2nd.[/quote]Bingo. This right here is one of the key reasons that the great franchises can always land 1st round talent in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. It's because teams in the first round are going with players who lack 1st round football skill, but have 1st round 40 times and workouts.

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He is a cancer.Go after Roy Williams,or D.J. Hackett,or select through the draft.Wide reciever is not a priority.Moss and Randle El wil explode in the WCO.Kick returners have all the elusiveness when they get the ball in space.I would be concerned about our age at the line of scrimmage on both sides.

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when can i but my 85 jersey?

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[quote=schndr_tdd;421384]He is a cancer.Go after [B]Roy Williams[/B],or D.J. Hackett,or select through the draft.Wide reciever is not a priority.Moss and Randle El wil explode in the WCO.Kick returners have all the elusiveness when they get the ball in space.I would be concerned about our age at the line of scrimmage on both sides.[/quote]

85 will work for me

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[QUOTE=rstone1979;421390]Are you kidding Roy Williams he couldn't even cover a toddler[/QUOTE]

I think he is referring to Roy Williams of the Detroit Lions, not Roy Williams of the Dallas Cowboys.

If we are determined to acquire a #1 WR via trade, I'd much rather see us pursue Roy Williams. I'd be fine with trading our 1st for him.

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[quote=schndr_tdd;421384]He is a cancer.Go after Roy Williams,or D.J. Hackett,or select through the draft.Wide reciever is not a priority.Moss and Randle El wil explode in the WCO.Kick returners have all the elusiveness when they get the ball in space.I would be concerned about our age at the line of scrimmage on both sides.[/quote]

I don't believe CJ is a cancer. I believe he lacks structure and discipline in Cincinnati. Nevermind Roy Williams the WR....

[B]Feb 10[/B] Tom Kowalski, of MLive.com, reports the Detroit Lions will likely not trade WR Roy Williams unless they are overwhelmed by an offer, according to a source.

There's your answer to that.

And Who the hell knows DJ Hackett?....................

Exactly. Nobody. Except people in Seattle.

The guy only played 6 games this season and his past 2 seasons stats are pretty damn disappointing.

Yeah that's exactly what we need. Another lackluster WR. I thought we had already have enough of that in Lloyd?

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here we go again. we dont need to trade for CJ and give up our high round draft picks. this has been our problem in the past. and on top of that he is going to want a big new contract. lets build this team through the draft. sign a lesser named FA big target WR. we need a young DE's OL's. i would care if we spent on 2nd round pick drafting a WR. but please dont make the tradeand give up all our draft picks

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I'd love to have CJ, I just don't like what we'd have to give up to get him. Without a doubt he would enhance our offense, but those DP's are gold and I don't like the idea of giving them up when we have more pressing needs in other areas.

CJ has a rather strange character make-up but I'd take him if he came at a resonable price.........I just love having those DP's

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Maybe we can trade Six Flags for CJ? :D

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[quote=redskins5044;421409]here we go again. we dont need to trade for CJ and give up our high round draft picks. this has been our problem in the past. and on top of that he is going to want a big new contract. lets build this team through the draft. sign a lesser named FA big target WR. we need a young DE's OL's. i would care if we spent on 2nd round pick drafting a WR. but please dont make the tradeand give up all our draft picks[/quote]

Honestly the Laverneus Coles first round pick exchange worked. So I have no problem trading a first round pick for an elite player. The way I look at it is weather or not you could draft a player at the spot your in and then then trade for the same player for an elite guy like Chad Johnson (Would anyone trade Limas Sweed for Chad Johnson?). In most cases (as it relates to the 21st pick) probably not, unless a Brady Quinn type fell to you at that spot.

Also a lot of you are fogetting that the best DE's and OL are found either at the top of the first round or in the second and third round. Guys like Strahan, Elvis, Jared Allen, Osi, Aaron Kampman, Jason Taylor, Justin Tuck,Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila, Adewale Ogunleye, Derrick Burgess were all
picked after the first round.

With the OL the general feeling is get an elite LT at the top of the first round and the rest of the OL in the second, third and fourth rounds. Thats why guys who might be one of the top 10 players in the draft like [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Kalil"][COLOR=#0000ff]Ryan Kalil[/COLOR][/URL] end up in the bottom of the second round.

The question here is do we get away giving up just a first round pick or a first and third? However CJ will be a Redskin, at this point its only a matter of time.

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I have an answer to CJ's question. "How do you stop 85?" Answer: You send him to Washington. DAMN!

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I would not mind seeing CJ here but it not worth a first round pick IMHO. It is time we use the draft to build our club through the draft and not players like CJ who want to come to Washington for the money.

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;421461]I would not mind seeing CJ here but it not worth a first round pick IMHO. It is time we use the draft to build our club through the draft and not players like CJ who want to come to Washington for the money.[/quote]

agreed, keep the picks

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my :twocents:...

He's no doubt got a big mouth...but for the most part he's fun loving...he doesn't get into too much trouble and I don't see him as all that much of a cancer. The situation in Cincy seems to be more about him wanting to be on a winning team. If we can get him without overpaying I say go for it. He certainly can't do any worse than the other overpaid receiver we got wearing #85 right now...

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If this happens, Snyder has not learned at thing!
The washington post reported that it would take a 1st and 3rd or two second round picks for Johnson. If feel that it would be better to draft two receivers than pay big money to a receiver over the age of thirty. I understand that he puts up great numbers, but that is with Palmer and the Bengals offense and how much longer can he keep it up. Let's build for the future and not just next season

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he is so good that i will risk the personality for the production

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It's not just about Chad Johnson being a top flight receiver. It's about managing our team salary cap. Do we want to trade our draft picks for Chad Johnson? I don't want to do that - I would rather us develop our own players. Should we break the bank to sign him, forcing us to keep converting other players' salaries to signing bonuses, and lving a debt laden,"credit card" based way of living outside our means? I don't think so. Would we be kind of giving up on Santana Moss? How many free agents can we sign for one position (wide receiver)? Is our problem really lack of talent at the wide receiver position? I will buy that we need a taller receiver somewhere on our roster, but not that we have to go out and mortgage our future on one player now.

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Guys check this out, I found this at a Bengals Message Board
[quote=GatorClaws;421491]give me a 2nd plus Cooley and it's a done deal
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LOL, are you ****ing kidding me!?! There are a few players that are untouchable on this team as it relates to trades, that is short of offering a guy like Peyton Manning. They are

- Chris Cooley
- Chris Samuals
- Laron Landry

Those are the three players that would be the hardest to trade for IMO

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Roy Williams from Detroit is available for cheaper and so is Fitzgerald. Whats wrong with RW he can put up the numbers johnson can for alot cheaper.

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I don't know that Fitz will be cheaper

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fitz just plays ball, after a td he just gives the ball to a ref and runs to the sideline. classy player