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[quote=jsarno;420031]I'm racking my brain trying to come up with any HC that was never any higher than QB coach at the professional level, and never any higher than OC on the college level. If you have some, I'd love to hear who they are, cause this seems almost unprecidented.[/quote]

Andy Reid, discussed earlier in the thread.

[quote=jsarno;420030]Not true...he was asst. head coach before he got the HC position.[/quote]

But what's in a title? Don't know how his duties compared to Zorn's in Seattle. Plus, how many "assistant head coaches" did the Skins have last year? At least three, including Bugel.

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;420033]Andy Reid, discussed earlier in the thread.[/QUOTE]

You are incorrect sir. Please see my other posts, he was qb coach AND asst. head coach before he took over in Philly. Zorn was just a QB coach. While Reid comes the closest, it's not the same.

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;420033]



But what's in a title? Don't know how his duties compared to Zorn's in Seattle. Plus, how many "assistant head coaches" did the Skins have last year? At least three, including Bugel.[/QUOTE]

You have a point there, but before we played with everyone's titles, titles for other teams actually meant something. They actually groomed Reid, Zorn has not been groomed.

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[quote=jsarno;420038]You have a point there, but before we played with everyone's titles, titles for other teams actually meant something. They actually groomed Reid, [B]Zorn has not been groomed.[/B][/quote]

I'll bet they made him take showers at least once a day! :)

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[quote=jsarno;420038]You have a point there, but before we played with everyone's titles, titles for other teams actually meant something. They actually groomed Reid, Zorn has not been groomed.[/quote]

herm edwerds also went from defensive backs coach to head coach, but he also held the title of ass. headcoach while he was defensive backs coach.

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A head coach is only as good as the coaches and players that surround him. He's got Buges, Byner, Blache and Grey. And doesn't Danny Smith return too? Plus some solid vets in the locker room. It's not all on the HC. Let's remember that. I don't like the hire but I think we'll be fine.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;420038]You have a point there, but before we played with everyone's titles, titles for other teams actually meant something. They actually groomed Reid, Zorn has not been groomed.[/QUOTE]

What makes you think he wasn't groomed just because he didn't have the title?

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[quote=SmootSmack;419972]I'm going to call it right now. The next time we are looking fo a head coach the leading candidate will be...Jim Fassel :)[/quote]

Too funny. I actually feel a little sorry for JF right about now. DS is probably not on his xmas card list.

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[QUOTE=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;420039]I'll bet they made him take showers at least once a day! :)[/QUOTE]

LOL.
I was all for him being OC...he deserved the shot, but it's not like he was the QB coach of Peyton Manning or anything.

About herm edwards, I'm not sure I want Zorn if he does what Edwards has done in his career. (39-41 with Jets, 13-19 in KC).

Sure, Edwards and Reid come close, but are there any other guys that did it like Zorn that we can compare, or are we blazing our own path with Zorn?
Again, not saying Zorn is going to fail, I am obviously pulling for him, just curious if anyone blazed this path before him.

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Who is our new OC then?

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;420049]What makes you think he wasn't groomed just because he didn't have the title?[/QUOTE]

Well, considering he was a QB (9 seasons), then a QB coach for both the Lions and Seattle (10 seasons), and was inducted into the Seahawks ring of Honor in 91 (meaning he was highly respected), and he never got the title or moved up, I'd say he wasn't groomed.
Why would you think for a second he was groomed?

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I really don't know what to think about this. On one hand i'm kinda excited and ready to move on. I really don't know anything about Zorn other than people saying he's pretty sharp. Then again alot of NFL position coaches are sharp, smart, prepared but that doesn't make them coaching material.

It really makes me think our organization is a clumsy as it's made out to be. It makes me think they didn't have a "list" of potential candidates ready (which they should have) prior to JG's stepping down. It took over 30 days and they go w/ someone they originally hired as an oc. Our FO wasn't prepared.

That being said maybe we wound up w/ the right guy. Hopefully our FO will be smart and try to build a good team.

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[quote=GridIron26;420053]Who is our new OC then?[/quote]

Best check in the other thread for the speculation :)

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[QUOTE=GridIron26;420053]Who is our new OC then?[/QUOTE]

Maybe some scout that never coached before???? :D

JK.

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[quote=jsarno;420058]Maybe some scout that never coached before???? :D

JK.[/quote]

Vinny Cerrato!

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I like this hire. Thankfully we will have a coach who brings a fresh perspective to the job, and not some recycled has been!

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[QUOTE=jsarno;420055]Well, considering he was a QB (9 seasons), then a QB coach for both the Lions and Seattle (10 seasons), and was inducted into the Seahawks ring of Honor in 91 (meaning he was highly respected), and he never got the title or moved up, I'd say he wasn't groomed.
Why would you think for a second he was groomed?[/QUOTE]

Didn't say he was. In fact, he probably wasn't since he wasn't promised anything after Holmgren retires (which is why we got him in the first place), but I do remember reading that he was very involved in the game planning and play designs for the Seahawks offense. And I'm just saying the assistant head coach title may have been largely ceremonial for Reid

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good luck to jim zorn..i,m hoping for the best...
so zorn was the mystery all along,:).

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;420059]Vinny Cerrato![/QUOTE]

That's not even out of the question, and scary quite frankly.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;420064]Didn't say he was. In fact, he probably wasn't since he wasn't promised anything after Holmgren retires (which is why we got him in the first place), but I do remember reading that he was very involved in the game planning and play designs for the Seahawks offense. And I'm just saying the assistant head coach title may have been largely ceremonial for Reid[/QUOTE]

It's possible.
Putting Reid aside, who else has done this like Zorn? I know you have an encyclopedia or something with info like this.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;420074]It's possible.
Putting Reid aside, who else has done this like Zorn? I know you have an encyclopedia or something with info like this.[/QUOTE]

Herm Edwards went from DB coach to head coach of the Jets and had them in the playoffs rather quickly..

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[QUOTE=jsarno;420074]It's possible.
Putting Reid aside, who else has done this like Zorn? I know you have an encyclopedia or something with info like this.[/QUOTE]

Mariucci.

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;420078]Herm Edwards went from DB coach to head coach of the Jets and had them in the playoffs rather quickly..[/QUOTE]

all you have to do is go one page back to see we already talked about herm edwards was an asst. coach as well before, very similar to reid. So unless someone wants to mention reid or edwards again, who else?

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;420080]Mariucci.[/QUOTE]

Mods, I am sorry for ever jumping into a conversation without looking at what has been posted first. I can see how annoying it is.

(go back and check the last couple pages sfredskin)

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[QUOTE=jsarno;420081]all you have to do is go one page back to see we already talked about herm edwards was an asst. coach as well before, very similar to reid. So unless someone wants to mention reid or edwards again, who else?[/QUOTE]

My bad, it's late and I was being lazy..

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I'd approve of the move if they had hired Kermit the Frog at this point. I'm just grateful that we finally have a coach so the Warpath can start having intelligent conversations again.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;420074]It's possible.
Putting Reid aside, who else has done this like Zorn? I know you have an encyclopedia or something with info like this.[/QUOTE]

An encyclopedia? Nope got nothing like that

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Good read

[url=http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks/0-5-389/Enough-Zorn-to-go-around-.html]ESPN - Enough Zorn to go around? - Hashmarks by Matt Mosley[/url]

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;420083]My bad, it's late and I was being lazy..[/QUOTE]

no biggie, i've done it too.

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;420078]Herm Edwards went from DB coach to head coach of the Jets and had them in the playoffs rather quickly..[/QUOTE]


They were 9-7 before he got there. His first year (2001) they were 10-6, next year they were 10-6, 2003 the were 6-10, 2004 they were 10-6, and his final year they were 4-12. 3 trips to the playoffs in 5 years.
In KC he's been 9-7 & 4-12.

I wouldn't complain with three trips to the playoffs in the next five years. He was however, the DB coach & assistant HC in TB.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;420087]Good read

[url=http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks/0-5-389/Enough-Zorn-to-go-around-.html]ESPN - Enough Zorn to go around? - Hashmarks by Matt Mosley[/url][/QUOTE]


did you possibly post the wrong link? The article it went to was by Jose Miguel Romero. Not Mark Mosley.

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[quote=Coff;420085]I'd approve of the move if they had hired Kermit the Frog at this point.[/quote] Well, the Danny DOES want a puppet coach...

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[quote=SmootSmack;420087]Good read

[URL="http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks/0-5-389/Enough-Zorn-to-go-around-.html"]ESPN - Enough Zorn to go around? - Hashmarks by Matt Mosley[/URL][/quote]

Good read, indeed! I hope there will be enough Zorn to go around, he does have a full plate. It will be of key importance to get a couple coaching positions filled with guys that he wants to bring in that he has trust in OC/AOC, and I'm sure now a QB coach that hes worked with to help make this big transition as smooth as possible.

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I have a feeling that one day Garret vs Zorn is going to be a great rivalry. Hope I'm half-right.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;420093]did you possibly post the wrong link? The article it went to was by Jose Miguel Romero. Not Mark Mosley.[/QUOTE]

What are you talking about?

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What a strange path to hiring a HC. That said, Holmgren's assistants have done very well as head coaches (Reid, Gruden, and Mariuchi), so I'm optimistic that Zorn will do well. Jason Campbell's development must be his top priority.

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I think, (and I know a lot of people will disagree with this, and thats fine), that if we were OK with Zorn as the O.C., then we by neccessity have to be ok with this promotion. His role isn't going to be all that much different, and we were already talking about how the coordinators were going to overshadow the head coach. So now, one of them was made head coach. That's not really any big deal when you think about it.

If he wasn't ready for this job, then I don't think you can make the argument that he was ready for the O.C. position.

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With that said, there could be some time needed for him to get a feel for his playcalling. As to say that his playcalling should improve as the 2008 season goes on.

Then again, there really is no such thing as "wrong" playcalling unless you consistently go against the percentages, which requires a general lack of common sense.

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Basically at this point, I was willing to give anyone a shot. I wanted Williams, it didn't work out, so I stand behind Zorn and I'm going to hope for the best. I really think our offense is going to be in great hands, which is going to be awsome to see....I'm slightly worried about our defense at this point. We have some great players on that side of the ball, but I just hope we can maintain some sort of power without Williams.