Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

[QUOTE=That Guy;432606]groves lost like 10 lbs between the combine and his pro day... you're talking massively undersized. i think he's probably going to end up as a 3-4 OLB (249lbs 4.57 40).

harvey is the guy i'd like the most. he's still 271lbs and he lifted MUCH better than merling (who's a 276lbs one year college wonder), and that's besides merling's hernia surgery.[/QUOTE]

Groves will probably most definitely be a 3-4 OLB. What I like about Harvey is that he can probably bulk up a bit and play on the inside in some sets. I'd prefer Merling or Jackson though.

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;432609]Groves will probably most definitely be a 3-4 OLB. What I like about Harvey is that he can probably bulk up a bit and play on the inside in some sets. I'd prefer Merling or Jackson though.[/quote]

see, i think harvey is stronger, and i'm never big on guys who only had one good year in college, so merling's just riskier from that view.

jackson also has more college experience, and if he falls to the 2nd, then that'd be a good value pick.

either way, nfl success depends a lot on the destination team and the fit, so who knows.

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

Would you take Manningham round 1? Could he slip to our second pick?

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

Hey guys quick question. Would you trade our 1st and 3rd for two of the Falcons second round picks
Just to be clear on the values:

[B]Redskins 21st Overall Pick = 800 points[/B]
[B]Redskins 3rd Round Pick = 170 Pts[/B]

[B]Falcons 34th Overall = 560[/B]
[B]Falcons 37th Pick = 530[/B]

[B]1090 > 970 = Redskins win[/B]

[B]or[/B]

[B]Falcons 34th Overall = 560[/B]
[B]Falcons 48th Overall = 420[/B]

[B]980 > 970[/B]

I guess the second trade would be more realistic unless someone is available at 21 that the Falcons really like

Remember the Patriots Pick is now null so all picks after 31 move up a spot.

Campbell 17 you might want to edit your quote of me since I got some of the picks wrong

Personally I really like the first scenario since we could end up with Chilo Rachel, Lawrence Jackson, and Jordy Nelson since that would give us 3 future starters that played well against big time cometition. Rachel is a road grader, Jackson got 10.5 sacks at LE, and Jordy....well he has a lot of videos on YouTube and at this rate Snyder is practically desperate for a big tall Reciever.

Of course both ot the scenarios I've laid out would produce all three of the guys that I would like to see the Redskins take/who I think they would take.

Also for all you T. Laws fanboys this would put us in position to take him.

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;432706]Hey guys quick question. Would you trade our 1st and 3rd for the Falcons two second round picks?

Just to be clear on the values:

Redskins 21st Overall Pick = 800 points
Redskins 3rd Round Pick = 170 Pts

Falcons 34th Overall = 560
Falcons 35th Overall Pick = 550

Remember the Patriots Pick is now null so all picks after 31 move up a spot.[/quote]
Better spot to take manningham! Its calling!

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

[QUOTE=Campbell17;432710]Better spot to take manningham! Its calling![/QUOTE]

I would rather take the risk on Adrian Arrington in the later rounds, because he is 6'3 and Manningham is only 6'0, we need a big target not another little guy.

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;432706]Hey guys quick question. Would you trade our 1st and 3rd for the Falcons two second round picks?

Just to be clear on the values:

Redskins 21st Overall Pick = 800 points
Redskins 3rd Round Pick = 170 Pts

Falcons 34th Overall = 560
Falcons 37th Pick = 530

1090 > 970 = Redskins win

or

Falcons 34th Overall = 560
Falcons 48th Overall = 420

980 > 970

I guess the second trade would be more realistic unless someone is available at 21 that the Falcons really like

Remember the Patriots Pick is now null so all picks after 31 move up a spot.

Campbell 17 you might want to edit your quote of me since I got some of the picks wrong

Personally I really like the first scenario since we could end up with Chilo Rachel, Lawrence Jackson, and Jordy Nelson but thats just me.[/QUOTE]

Great idea! ;)

I don't take all that much stock in those value points. I think they are a bit outdated, but I would absolutely love to trade down. Falcons can get Henne or Brohm, or whatever young QB they want. And we can get three quality players/probably starters. No one is blowing me away at #21

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;432717]Great idea! ;)

I don't take all that much stock in those value points. I think they are a bit outdated, but I would absolutely love to trade down. Falcons can get Henne or Brohm, or whatever young QB they want. And we can get three quality players/probably starters. No one is blowing me away at #21[/quote]

Lol, thats funny considering I stole the idea from you in the first place.

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;432719]Lol, thats funny considering I stole the idea from you in the first place.[/QUOTE]

I know :)

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

they should take mike hart r-b second rd

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

[QUOTE=goingdeep;432733]they should take mike hart r-b second rd[/QUOTE]

Why?

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

[QUOTE=goingdeep;432733]they should take mike hart r-b second rd[/QUOTE]

If you have CP, Ladell Betts, Rock Cartwright, and Marcus Mason, why would you pick another running back, it makes no sense to waste a pick on an average running back when you already have guys way better than that.

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

if rodger- cromartie drops to the 21st pick i say we have to take him.... we need corners.... springs is old, rodgers is coming back from an injury if he can even play (i think he might be out for this season also) and he has never been that amazing for us.

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

I still really like Cason. I think he's going to surprise a lot of people at the pro level. I'd love it if he fell to us in the 2nd round.

Even with the hernia, still leaning toward Merling in the first round.

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

......

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;432609]Groves will probably most definitely be a 3-4 OLB. What I like about Harvey is that he can probably bulk up a bit and play on the inside in some sets. I'd prefer Merling or Jackson though.[/quote]

If I'm not mistaken Groves has experience as a 4-3 OLB. To me drafting him would give us the ultimate swingman. Or more of a rich mans Chris Wilson. Basically he could line up at DE on passing downs and fill in for whatever LB spot is open and eventually become a starting LB. So the message is don't sleep on Groves. He won't be a full time starter coming in but we'll find something for him within the next 2-3 years.

However from a pure DE perspective, Lawrence Jackson is my pick. And honestly he would be the second or third DE on my board after Long and Harvey. Merling is solid, but honestly he reminds me of Smoot's BOY Justin Smith. Stout against the run but little to medium pass rush ability. Jackson on the other hand got 10.5 sacks last year from the LE spot in a conference that favors offense, (as well as passing but still the OT's in that conference are groomed to become pass protectors).

Also as far as our potential Falcons dream trade scenario I came up with a rationalization. The Redskins have become extremely cheap so getting out of the first round is a must. The Falcons will hopefully draft Matt Ryan which will make our lives a lot easier.

So why would the Falcons trade back into the first round? I mean they have a possible true #1 Reciever in Roddy White who defied all odds with a 1,200+ yard season in 2007.

Well if the Falcons draft a QB then the next logical step would be find a LT to protect him. This draft is deep at OT so the Falcons can still find a potential franchise LT at 21 where as we're set at LT for the next 4 or 5 years. And as much as I would love Albert I would rather have 3 second round picks that could easily produce 3 starters within the next 2-3 years.

From what I can see the Falcons could take a look at Gosder Cherilus who played LT with Ryan last year at BC or they could go with an excellent pass blocker like Anthony Collins, though taking him at 21 would be way to early. Ironically they could also make a play for Albert.

They also might make a play at corner with the possiblity of a guy like Aquib Talib or Mike Jenkins being available at 21.

Oh yeah, guys I hate to burst your bubble, but in the eyes of the scouts DRC is 1337. So theres no way he falls to us at 21......sorry. Oh well, look on the bright side. Corners are so last season. Safetys are the new corners in todays NFL. Of course I'm still stumped how 4 corners from small schools/Kansas (who was a Basketball school before last year) found their way into the first round in the same year.

So Dirtbag359's current pipe dream goes as follows

Falcons 3rd overall - Matt Ryan - QB - BC
Falcons 21st overall - [COLOR=black]Gosder Cherilus - LT/RT - BC[/COLOR]
Falcons 3rd Round 21st overall - Probably a LB or CB that I've never heard of.

Redskins 37th overall - Lawrence Jackson - DE - USC
Redskins 47th overall - Chilo Rachel - G - USC (Could just as easily be Carl Nicks but we'll go with Rachel for now)
Redskins 51st overall - Jordy Nelson - WR - Kansas State

Lol, USC is the Redskins new Miami. Ironically they could take 3 USC players in the second round with Terrell Thomas being available at CB.

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

I got no problems with L. Jackson, but the similarities to Justin Smith are part of what I like about Merling. I'm probably in the minority here, but I like what Phillip Daniels offers the team; an everydown versatile player who is a strong run defender on the edge as well as an effective pass rusher (underestimated due to the low sack totals). Except we're at a point where we need a younger, slightly more talented version and I feel like (now that J. Smith is not an option) that Merling would be the next big thing.

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

smooty, i think you and Justin Smith have to be in the man crush thread, somewhere:)

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

[QUOTE=dmek25;432848]smooty, i think you and Justin Smith have to be in the man crush thread, somewhere:)[/QUOTE]

I already put him there :)

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

[QUOTE][QUOTE=Dirtbag359;432825]If I'm not mistaken Groves has experience as a 4-3 OLB. To me drafting him would give us the ultimate swingman. Or more of a rich mans Chris Wilson. Basically he could line up at DE on passing downs and fill in for whatever LB spot is open and eventually become a starting LB. So the message is don't sleep on Groves. He won't be a full time starter coming in but we'll find something for him within the next 2-3 years.

However from a pure DE perspective, Lawrence Jackson is my pick. And honestly he would be the second or third DE on my board after Long and Harvey. Merling is solid, but honestly he reminds me of Smoot's BOY Justin Smith. Stout against the run but little to medium pass rush ability. Jackson on the other hand got 10.5 sacks last year from the LE spot in a conference that favors offense, (as well as passing but still the OT's in that conference are groomed to become pass protectors). [/QUOTE]

If DRC falls to us, which may happen as scouts have a harder time picking a small school guy in the top 15, we take him. If not, Im pulling for groves too. He gives us the most versatility for the pick, and in a year when we are pinching pennies, versatility will prove very prudent.

If we pick up an extra 3rd rounder from the compensatory draft pool, then we may wanna look at WR, OT/OG, CB in the first (Sweed, Albert, Jenkins).

[QUOTE]Also as far as our potential Falcons dream trade scenario I came up with a rationalization. The Redskins have become extremely cheap so getting out of the first round is a must. The Falcons will hopefully draft Matt Ryan which will make our lives a lot easier.

So why would the Falcons trade back into the first round? I mean they have a possible true #1 Reciever in Roddy White who defied all odds with a 1,200+ yard season in 2007.

Well if the Falcons draft a QB then the next logical step would be find a LT to protect him. This draft is deep at OT so the Falcons can still find a potential franchise LT at 21 where as we're set at LT for the next 4 or 5 years. And as much as I would love Albert I would rather have 3 second round picks that could easily produce 3 starters within the next 2-3 years.

From what I can see the Falcons could take a look at Gosder Cherilus who played LT with Ryan last year at BC or they could go with an excellent pass blocker like Anthony Collins, though taking him at 21 would be way to early. Ironically they could also make a play for Albert.

They also might make a play at corner with the possiblity of a guy like Aquib Talib or Mike Jenkins being available at 21.

Oh yeah, guys I hate to burst your bubble, but in the eyes of the scouts DRC is 1337. So theres no way he falls to us at 21......sorry. Oh well, look on the bright side. Corners are so last season. Safetys are the new corners in todays NFL. Of course I'm still stumped how 4 corners from small schools/Kansas (who was a Basketball school before last year) found their way into the first round in the same year.

So Dirtbag359's current pipe dream goes as follows

Falcons 3rd overall - Matt Ryan - QB - BC
Falcons 21st overall - [COLOR=black]Gosder Cherilus - LT/RT - BC[/COLOR]
Falcons 3rd Round 21st overall - Probably a LB or CB that I've never heard of.

Redskins 37th overall - Lawrence Jackson - DE - USC
Redskins 47th overall - Chilo Rachel - G - USC (Could just as easily be Carl Nicks but we'll go with Rachel for now)
Redskins 51st overall - Jordy Nelson - WR - Kansas State

Lol, USC is the Redskins new Miami. Ironically they could take 3 USC players in the second round with Terrell Thomas being available at CB.[/QUOTE]

Good post, but its still hard seeing us get rid of a 1st round draft pick even if we get on next year, it will look good NEXT year, but we will still have to deal with waiting, once again, to pick wayy into the 2nd. However, trading out of this first for more picksis a good look nonetheless.

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

Talib or Dereck Harvey which both I see being gone so the best D Lineman which might be calais campbell

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

[QUOTE=EveryHomeGameSince87;434014]Talib or Dereck Harvey which both I see being gone so the best D Lineman which might be calais campbell[/QUOTE]

Calais will probably drop to the second round, so I don't see why we should use a first rounder on him, we could pick up a WR or Olinemen instead.

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

All right I'm willing to compromise on the corner position. If Mike Jenkins falls to us I wouldn't mind taking him. The guy has experience playing safety and is considered the second best corner in the draft. Character is obviously an issue, otherwise he wouldn't drop this far, but is obstructing an officer without violence really that big of an issue? Especially considering the string of violence we've seen among other NFL players. I would have to look into a little more, but as of now I have no problem with the character concerns.

I'm starting to believe though more and more that the Redskins first three picks will be a G, CB, and WR as the positions mentioned are relatively deep in the first round, with corner obviously being the deepest in terms of top teir prospects. And I only say relatively deep because there are a lot of guys we could take in the first three rounds.

Obviously this draft could go many different ways.

1st - Mike Jenkins
2nd - Jordy Nelson
3rd - Robert Felton (Reminds me a lot of Dockery) or Mike McGlynn (the most versatile OL prospect in the entire draft)

1st - Brandon Albert
2nd - Jordy Nelson
3rd - Charles Godfrey

1st - Devin Thomas or Limas Sweed
2nd - Chilo Rachel/Carl Nicks or Tracy Porter
3rd - Charles Godfrey or Roy Schuening/Mike McGlynn/Robert Felton

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

Over the last few weeks, I had wanted to Redskins to get one of the top recievers over 6'3" with 4.4 speed in the first round. But, if they could get 6'6" James Hardy with 4.46 speed in the second round, then Calais Campbell in the first round makes sense. Then, I expect the Redskins should try and use the possible compensatory pick in the second round some say they may get to go after a safety or defensive tackle.

1st round pick - Calais Campbell / DE / 6'8" 280 pounds
2nd round pick - James Hardy / WR / 6'6" 215 pounds
2nd round pick (compensatory pick) - Safety or defensive tackle

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

Ok, so the Redskins are expected to get a compensatory in the Third round and the seventh round for Derrick Dockery and Kenny Wright. Still, that gives us 8 draft picks, which is a nice haul compared to recent drafts.

Dirtbag359's 5,034th Mock Draft
 

1st - Phillip Merling - DE - Clemson - Solid prospect, with the ability to play DT and DE. Reminds some scouts of Trevor Pryce, and if that is any indication then chances are he'll be able to develop into a pretty good pass rusher while still being productive against the run. I know I'm a hypocrite :D

2nd - Jordy Nelson - WR - Kansas State - I know most would consider this a reach but it stuns me how a guy with his production at a school that isn't Texas Tech falls to the 3rd round. Great Senior season, impressive week at the senior bowl, hard worker, tough, durable excellent character.

His weaknesses are a lack of a second gear which is puzzling since he was reported to have run a 4.4 40 and even if thats not true 4.5 isn't bad for a reciever with his size. Apparently he also needs to improve his technique as a blocker. Have yet to hear that he was a product of a system at Kansas State.

3rd - Mike McGlynn - G - Pitt - Best versatile O-Line prospect durable (Very important for a team like ours), and is highly regarded as a run blocker, which will be key considering Zorn's 1,800 yards for Clinton prediction

3rd comp - DT - DeMario Pressley - Would prefer Dre Moore, but he's long gone at this point. Pressley is raw and the type of guy that the coaching staff probably believes they can turn around with the proper teaching.

5th - Marcus Griffin - FS - Texas - "Excellent tackler...Does a nice job against the run...Tough and strong...Active and aggressive ...Productive...Has a lot of special teams potential...Always around the action...Very smart...Hard worker...Great bloodlines...Excellent program pedigree."

Plus if the front office is serious about Doughty then I believe it's prudent to look for a FS since Landry essentially serves as a backup SS.

6th - Dennis Dixon - QB - Oregon - Most productive college QB available at this point in the draft. I assume he ran a WCO in college given that he played at Oregon. And since the Front office insist on getting a college passer then one of the picks from the 3rd comp till this pick will probably be a QB.

7th - Joey Haynos - TE - Maryland - Huge local product who had decent production last year.

7th Comp - Andrew Crummy - G - Maryland - Solid Guard prospect that has been slown down by injuries.

7th Comp - Alvin Bowen - OLB - Iowa State - One of the most productive linebackers in College over the past two years. A little undersized but should at least be able to find a spot on special teams.

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

my ideal draft would be
1. derrick harvey DE (not gholston or long, but still good)
2. trevor laws (DT with 100 tackles last season)
3. charles godfrey (CB)
3. josh barrett (SS (6'2" 223 4.34 w/ good production))
5. jeremy zuttah (OT)
6. rudolph hardie (DE)
7. mario urrutia (6'6" WR, decent numbers)
7. matt spanos (C)
7. brandon coutu (K)

if we got dexter jackson (speed WR/returner) or a guard in the comp 3rd spot, that'd be cool too, or possibly tracy porter at CB in the 2nd... we're going to lose out on a position though (WR/CB/OG). I also really like zbikowski as a 3rd round SS.

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

What would any think about going after an O-linemen? Everything I have read and heard is that they think Brandon Albert may be available. I love Randy and Pete but lets face it, at somepoint in the near future we are going to need to start looking for their replacements. If we can bring in a young O-lineman and teach him for a year or two just think how dangerous that could be?

If he is not available then I would have to say a DE, possibly CB. Those are my choices for the 1st round. I really like Devin Thomas, and he should be available in later rounds. And if we really covet him, I wouldn't mind making some later round trades to move up and aquire him.

Thats my thought on everything.

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

[quote=pstylee;436766]What would any think about going after an O-linemen? Everything I have read and heard is that they think Brandon Albert may be available. I love Randy and Pete but lets face it, at somepoint in the near future we are going to need to start looking for their replacements. If we can bring in a young O-lineman and teach him for a year or two just think how dangerous that could be?

If he is not available then I would have to say a DE, possibly CB. Those are my choices for the 1st round. I really like Devin Thomas, and he should be available in later rounds. And if we really covet him, I wouldn't mind making some later round trades to move up and aquire him.

Thats my thought on everything.[/quote]

devin thomas may go in the 1st.

albert is generally well liked here, and if harvey, cromartie, etc are gone, i'd be cool with that.

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

[quote=EveryHomeGameSince87;434014]Talib or Dereck Harvey which both I see being gone so the best D Lineman which might be calais campbell[/quote]

Kiper can't make up his mind. Last week he had Talib going 21st to us, then on Monday I was watching NFL live on the treadmill at the gym and he had Talib going 7th to NE. How does a guy move up 14 spots in a week?? Now he has us taking Devin Thomas from Mich St. Whatever Mel. Oh, and he also has Brandon Albert skyrocketing up to 5th overall to the Chiefs.

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

[quote=pstylee;436766]What would any think about going after an O-linemen? Everything I have read and heard is that they think Brandon Albert may be available. I love Randy and Pete but lets face it, at somepoint in the near future we are going to need to start looking for their replacements. If we can bring in a young O-lineman and teach him for a year or two just think how dangerous that could be?

If he is not available then I would have to say a DE, possibly CB. Those are my choices for the 1st round. I really like Devin Thomas, and he should be available in later rounds. And if we really covet him, I wouldn't mind making some later round trades to move up and aquire him.

Thats my thought on everything.[/quote]

Right now theres a lot of different ways for us to go. If the Redskins are intent on taking a D-Lineman first then they'll probably be looking at Merling (DE Clemson), Harvey (DE Florida), Balmer (DT UNC), Campbell (DE Miami), and Groves (DE/LB Auburn)

The wild card here is Groves. From what I understand Groves spent last year at OLB and right now our depth at OLB is questionable. Washington is getting older and behind Blades theres not much else. Plus they'll have to face the fact that Rocky might be out of the league in a few years due to possible injuries. Groves is Auburn's all time sack leader, and could be what I would call a rich man's Chris Wilson and a poor mans Vernon Gholston. He would also serve as an insurance policy for Carter.

Eventually down the line he could start at OLB for Washington and Blades could move back to his college position at MLB when Fletcher calls it quits. However in his first year as a Redskin it would be likely that he would see action on 3rd down and special teams.

My guess is if the Vikings take Merling and the Front Office and Coaching staff become scared off by Balmer and Campbell's bust factor, and they don't want to use a high pick on a Guard, even if it's someone of Alberts quality, and they can't trade back, then Groves might be the pick (holy run on sentence Batman).

The other scenarios include getting Merling, which recent reports of Blache getting a D-Lineman early suggest. The 2nd round is full of undersized ends with character issues, and apparently the Skin's aren't willing to use a 1st round pick on a reciever so if the Redskins are looking for a DE/DT hybrid then Merling would probably be the guy. And for safe measure they could get their 3 technique (DT) with Dre Moore (DT Maryland) in the second or DeMario Pressley (DT NC State) with their comp pick in the 3rd.

Then theres the possiblity that they could go for a 3 technique like Balmer in the first. In which case theres a truckload of DE's available from the late 3rd though the 5th round that produced well in college. If you want you can check out the day 2 picks thread where I listed the late round DE's.

Personally I don't know what they would do if they got Albert. I still picture the team making a run at Jordy in the second but thats just a guess, and as some of you know Ive been wrong on several occasions. Though according to Bram's recent blog post the Skins will use one of their first 4 picks on a reciever and if it's not on one of the first round guys then the only guy left that I see the Skins taking is Jordy. Of course theres also the possibility that a guy like [URL="http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/marcussmith.html"][COLOR=#3391b5]Marcus Smith[/COLOR][/URL] could get a look. Who knows maybe the Skins would take a chance on a guy like Paul Hubbard.

However if the team does decide to go offense with the first two picks then it's possible that both 3rd round picks would bring in a DT and a DE. Of course the Redskins could also look at a CB like Tracey Porter in the second.

Right now the guys that I see getting the most consideration with the 21st pick are:

- Phillip Merling - DE/DT - Clemson
- Branden Albert - G - Virginia
- Kentwaan Balmer - DT UNC
- Kenny Phillips - S - Miami
- Mike Jenkins - CB/S - USF

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

honestly if kenny phillips is still there at 21, more than likely not, i dont think we can pass up filling that void.... i am not the least bit sold on doughty...

round 2 - jordy nelson

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

[QUOTE=Meks;436838]honestly if kenny phillips is still there at 21, more than likely not, i dont think we can pass up filling that void.... i am not the least bit sold on doughty...

round 2 - jordy nelson[/QUOTE]

I think we should draft the best player available, whether WR, DE, DT, LB, CB, or OL, just pick the best player that is available.

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

Why is everyone so big on drafting a WR number one overall? By the time the draft comes around Chad Johnson value will be so diminished that we can possibly pick him up for a third.

Does everyone really think that we need o-line over help on the dline? We only had 33 sacks as a team last year. we have no dline pressure on the quarterback. I think the first two picks should go on dline. A good dline makes up for a ok secondary: Ala the Giants and our secondary as is, is by far better then that of the Giants.

#1: DE
#2: DT
#3: Johnson
#3: OL


Tell me what you think

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

Every time I hear Vinny talking he says he would like to trade our first round pick for more pick. He sujested that he would be willing to trade it for a 2nd and a 3rd.

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

[quote=Meks;436838]honestly if kenny phillips is still there at 21, more than likely not, i dont think we can pass up filling that void.... i am not the least bit sold on doughty...

round 2 - jordy nelson[/quote]

If Kenny Phillips is the best player available with guys like Merling and Albert off the board. However next years safety class by rule of thumb will probably be a lot deeper, considering how weak this class is. Florida State and Missouri are also sporting possible first round picks in the Sean Taylor mold, though none of them will be nearly as talented.

Still Reed actually played as well as Landry did at SS after Landry moved to FS. Someone actually went through the trouble of putting there stats side by side of when they played SS and the numbers for Reed and Landry were nearly identical. I'm not saying that Reed is as good as Landry, as I predict that Landry will one day be at the same level as Troy Polamalu, but if Reed can play like a rookie Landry then I'm all for it.

Right now I honestly see the Merling/Nelson/McGlynn/Pressley route as being the most likely draft day scenario.

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

69 local players hopeful to make the Redskins roster were at workouts in Redskins park today, there is a list of them at the bottom of the link, some well known players include: Owen Schmitt, and Erin Henderson.
[url=http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=758]Local Prospects Get a Look[/url]

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

Prospects by round in no particular order. Some of the second round picks take a possible trade down into account.

1st - Phillip Merling (DE Clemson), Calias Campbell (DE Miami), Kentwan Balmer (DT UNC), Kenny Phillips (S Miami), Branden Albert (G/T Virginia), Mike Jenkins (CB/S USF), Aquib Talib (CB Kansas), Malcolm Kelly (WR Oklahoma)

2nd - Lawrence Jackson (DE USC), Trevor Laws (DT Notre Dame), Dre Moore (DT Maryland), Chilo Rachel (G USC), Carl Nicks (G/T Nebraska), Justin King (CB Penn State), Reggie Smith (CB/S Oklahoma), Brandon Flowers (CB VT), Quinton Groves (DE/LB Auburn), Tracy Porter (CB Indiana), Mario Maningham (WR Michigan)

3rd - Jordy Nelson (WR KSU), Jerome Simpson (WR Costal Carolina), Roy Schuening (G Oregon State), Tony Hills (G/T Texas), Mike McGlynn (C/G/T Pitt), Charles Godfrey (CB Iowa), Jason Jones (DE Eastern Michigan), Terrell Thomas (CB USC), DeMario Pressly (DT NC State)

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

king is too high for the 2nd round. derrick harvey should be in your first round, and cromartie, even though both will be gone by 17 :/.

in the third zbikowski and barret (4.3 230lb safety WITH production) and both great choices too. i like a lot of the other guys you mention though.

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

[quote=That Guy;437782]king is too high for the 2nd round. derrick harvey should be in your first round, and cromartie, even though both will be gone by 17 :/.

in the third zbikowski and barret (4.3 230lb safety WITH production) and both great choices too. i like a lot of the other guys you mention though.[/quote]

Right now I'm convinced that Harvey won't be there at 21. At this point though our major wild card as to weather we take Merling or Campbell is none other then our good friends the Minnesota Vikings. Theres no question they need a DE with Udeze going through health problems and Erasmus James racking up only 5 career sacks (not to mention coming off an injury). So with that said the question is are they going to become gun shy when it comes to the possiblity of taking a DE in the 1st?

Merling is coming off of a sports hernia and even though he's almost recoverd the fact remains that the injury could do little to ease their concerns the Vikings might have about drafting a DE in the first. And at this point it's definately to early for a team like the Vikings to draft a guy like Campbell. Of course Merling is also condiered a safe pick, and given the Vikings need at the position the chance that they take him is good.

Personally I think the Redskins are debating weather or not to take Merling or Campbell with that first pick, granted both have been considered top 15 talent at one point or another, and I have a feeling that the Front office affliction for Miami players as well as Campbell's connection with the D-Line coach has made the selection of Calias Campbell all that more likely.

As of now my mock draft for the Skins looks like this

1st - Calias Campbell - DE - Miami - Merling is probably a Viking at this point and the Redskins love players from the U. Plus Campbell has the most upside at this point in the draft. Also trade down these days are hard but we can always hope for a QB to make their way up the boards

2nd - Tracey Porter - CB - Indiana - Porter is the best corner at this point in the draft, but I think this spot is going to be between a Corner and Reciever. The Skins would love it if Jordy falls to them in the third but you have to wonder if someones going to take him in the early third. And on top of that Jerome Simpson is projected to be an early third round pick as well. Maningham is also a possiblity here, even though he's a smaller guy, he still has enough talent to contribute should he fall this far in the draft. Flowers is also a possiblity if he falls this far. Of course you can't forget about Andre Caldwell either.

3rd - Jordy Nelson - WR - Kansas State - This would be great if Jordy fell this far in the 3rd round but I have my doubts. Still the Redskins insist that their first four picks will be DL, CB, WR, and OL. It's also possible that the Redskins could draft Jordy with their second round pick, but by doing that they would have to hope for a corner like [URL="http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/terrellthomas.html"][COLOR=#3391b5]Terrell Thomas[/COLOR][/URL] or [URL="http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/chevisjackson.html"][COLOR=#3391b5]Chevis Jackson[/COLOR][/URL] to fall to them in the third, which is risky considering how hard it is to find a quality corner after the 2nd round.

3rd Comp - Tony Hills G/T - Texas- Right now Hills is projected as a 4th rounder but he also might be targeted by the Texans in the 3rd should they not get Branden Albert with the 18th pick. Hills is a great prospect for this coaching staff that could easily develop into a starter within two or three years and end up taking over at LG for the aging Kendell. Ironically I would consider him a poor mans Branden Albert even though he played most of college at LT. If the Skin's can't get Hills then look for them to draft Mike McGlynn out of Pitt.