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If it weren't so expensive...honestly I might give it a short-term run to bulk up. I've always been a slim, hard gainer.

The part some people forget with HGH and steroids, you have to use another substance (a PCT) to cycle OFF of it if you want to keep your gains.

Now, steroids, I would not touch...too dangerous and you really have to stay on them longterm.

HGH or testosterone boosters I'd think about.

But, I won't. I'm trying to bulk up naturally the right way. Plus, I have better things to spend my money on, like my family.

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[quote=Buster;784378]I actually just learned about that Quinoa rice you posted last week from a coworker. She's some bug and nut-eating vegetarian, so she uses the extra protein in that rice to help offset not eating meat.

I priced it and wow...the cheapest I could find in a grocery store was $6.99 and $7.99 for 12 dry oz. [B]The protein was 8 grams compared to 5g in regular rice[/B]. I'll just stick with my white rice (which I had for lunch today) and eat more. :D

We eat a lot of rice in my house, so we'd go broke buying that stuff. I'm sure it can be bought in bulk from a health store for a lower unit price, but the mere 3g per serving in protein boost doesn't justify the price for me since I ear a lot of meat already. If I didn't eat meat (I'd want to die), I'd probably scrounge for every gram I could, but that's not the case.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I thought the same thing at first but rice is a incomplete protein, and you can only build muscle with complete proteins. Also the type of protein is supposed to be important and that’s partly why eggs have stood the test of time. I feel like eggs only have 8 grams of protein but it’s a easily absorbable protein. I think quinoa is susposed to be a real "efficiant" protein. I might start going Rocky style with eggs on work out days, anyone ever try it?[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Fortunately I only have to eat for one so the cost doesn’t affect me that much. Also when im working out the amount I drink goes down dramatically, so I look at it like I would be spending the money consuming other stuff anyway.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][url=http://forums.straighthealth.com/showthread.php?832-Complete-vs.-Incomplete-Proteins]Complete vs. Incomplete Proteins[/url][/FONT][/COLOR]

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Yeah ive heard HGH doent really help with preformance at all, it just helps with recovery time so you can work out sooner..... you got to be working out pretty extreme to justify using it. I have heard it cuts fat though. Too expensive if youre not a profesional in my mind. I would never do steriods, it seems like they can just mess you up to much.

I take creatine as my only regular supplement. I think it definitely helps me, but i fatten up a bit while on it. Ive taken L-Arginine a few times and didnt really notice anything. Ive also taken Jack3d, which gives you a uncomfortable amount of engery and definitely helps you do anything but sleep.

[URL="http://www.amazon.com/Vitamin-Shoppe-L-Arginine-Ornithine-2000-capsules/dp/B00012NEV4"]Amazon.com: Vitamin Shoppe - L-Arginine-Ornithine 2000 Mg, 2000 mg, 100 capsules: Health & Personal Care[/URL]

[URL="http://www.amazon.com/USP-Labs-Jack3d-Fruit-250-gram/dp/B0037QGR4C/ref=sr_1_1?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1297786338&sr=1-1"]Amazon.com: USP Labs Jack3d Fruit Punch, 250-gram Tub: Health & Personal Care[/URL]

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Personally I don't get too caught up with loading up on protein, if you're eating a balanced diet consisting of lean proteins, veggies, whole grains, fruit, and limit junk, refined foods and sugars you'll be alright. You should be able to get what protein you need from meats, eggs, nuts, and beans.

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[quote=Mattyk;784562]Personally I don't get too caught up with loading up on protein, if you're eating a balanced diet consisting of lean proteins, veggies, whole grains, fruit, and limit junk, refined foods and sugars you'll be alright. You should be able to get what protein you need from meats, eggs, nuts, and beans.[/quote]


I think those guys are trying to gain mass so protein is a big issue in muscle growth.

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I only take a single shake post-workout.

I also rely on meat...a lot of chicken (and rice) and beef. Not hot dogs and beer, healthy food. :D

Oatmeal in the morning, no sodas or alcohol ever, fruit when possible, veggies added into every meal (even if having spaghetti, throw some spinach into the sauce).

I take a multivitamin in the morning, along with extra Calcium, Glucosamine/Chrondroitin/MSM and Fish Oil (I have arthritis since childhood, helps the joints).

I tried some Glutamine a couple months back (amino acid) but I didn't see much of a benefit.

It's always best to rely on food for your protein and nutrients, but it doesn't help to supplement if you have a special need or deficiency. For me, I need extra joint support.

The main reason I started with protein shakes was not for protein intake, but for caloric intake. Even in my 30s, I still need an extra 800-1000 cals a day just to maintain my weight. I hate it. I really do think it's easier for anyone to lose weight than gain it when you have a high metabolism like me.

I work out like crazy and I'm getting really cut, but the mass is slowly coming on. I've added 40 pounds to my bench in 2 months since resuming my post-injury regime. But, not getting huge and probably never will..but it won't stop me from trying. My chest has grown a lot recently though.

I suppose it will pay off later in life, like looking young.

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Yeah just saying there are natural ways to go about it too, and use supplements as just that, supplements.

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[quote=Mattyk;784579]Yeah just saying there are natural ways to go about it too, and use supplements as just that, supplements.[/quote]

Vodka and kielbasa aren't good supplements. ;)

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The only reason why I would use HGH is solely for any positive effects it would have on cutting down fat on the body. However, it is quite expensive and personally I was happy enough doing the protein shakes and vitamins.

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[quote=Buster;784581]Vodka and kielbasa aren't good supplements. ;)[/quote]

damn... I was just about to ask about that

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I thought I would post about this because ive had really good results on the high protein diet. For the first time since high school (almost 10 years ago) I started lifting free weights in October. After a couple weeks I got up to a 1 rep max of 185, which was about where I was in HS (I think 205 was my most ever in HS). I increased it to 205 up until December, then had surgery which kept me out 4-6 weeks. Dropped back down to 185 max when I started again, then got up to about 215 and then had to have surgery again in late January which kept me out another 3 weeks. Came back at 205 and since then ive really taken off.

So basically in the month of February I went from 205 to 235 (as of last night). I could feel a slight plateau around 215 before (3+ weeks in a row at 215). Then 3 weeks ago I started punishing protein on work out days. So basically in 4 weeks my max went up 30 pounds, but even more significantly (and probably why my max jumped) is that I am able to get a lot more reps out. Yesterday I put down around 250grams of protein (no easy feat).

Mondays is when I do bench. We start off on bench, then do; incline, decline, military press, shoulder shrugs, and seated chest pull downs (front and back). Besides the flat bench press we take a cue from p90x and mix the other things up and do slightly different variations (Change is good – Tony Horton). Also compared to how I used to work out in HS vs now is a major difference. P90x definitely gave me the Bring It attitude when lifting weights. We usually go for about an hour and half and it’s a pretty intense regimen for just free weights and no cardio at all.

So because of the surgies I had im not exactly sure how my bench would have progressed if I was on a non-high protein diet. But in the last 3 weeks is when I felt the most change. Im sure a lot of this is just because im basically new at lifting, but I do think the protein has helped significantly. My goal at the start of the year was 245 by summer and 265 by summer end. I think I am going to be able to up those a little bit. I also do p90x Chest and Back on Thursdays. Im thinking once I plateau I will switch out Chest and Back with Core Synergies, YogaX, or Chest Shoulders and Biceps.

I think ive put on about 10 pounds, I now weight around 215, but I have definitely fatted up a little. Im guessing half to muscle half to fat. For body comparison sake Im 6’2.5” and have a 78 in wing span and would have normally considered myself a slow gainer. Eating 200+ grams of protein is a all day challenge. I do though usually drink a 50gram protein shake right before I lift and probably put down 60-100 right after I lift. I also take creatine which I know fattens me up. Also I found that pork has a lot of protein in it and have seriously stocked up on bacon (really high). Also Body Fortress Super Advance Whey Protein has 52 grams of protein and only 280 calories. You can get it at Walmart (I know some people here hate/are too good for Walmart) for I think 16 bucks for 13 servings. I get the chocolate and its not bad at all.

Also I put my 80 weight vest to test this weekend and put down dandylion killer on my lawn. I could only do it for about ¼ of the lawn, before I gave up ( I was also pretty hungover). Its pretty eXtreme and you can feel it primarily in your shoulders/core/back. I was hoping for a leg work out so im not sure how im going to use it going forward.

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[QUOTE]Yesterday I put down around 250grams of protein (no easy feat).[/QUOTE]You better be careful with that protein intake, seriously. You should be drinking a few gallons of water with that too. Still, 250 is going to abuse your kidneys.

I'm taking probably 50 total on workout days and seeing great results without any ill effects.

Also, the alcohol is likely counteracting your hard work, just so you know. ;)



[B]Daily Protein Requirement Calculator:[/B]
[URL="http://www.indoorclimbing.com/Protein_Requirement.html"]Daily Protein Requirements and Protein Intake[/URL]

Using your height that you posted:

[B][COLOR=#0000ff]Your ideal body weight is [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]190[/COLOR] pounds, or [COLOR=#ff0000]86.4[/COLOR] kilograms.[/B]
[B][COLOR=#0000ff]Your protein intake requirement is [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]38.9[/COLOR] grams to [COLOR=#ff0000]69.1[/COLOR] grams.[/B]
[B][COLOR=#0000ff]If you are working endurance training, increase to [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]39.9[/COLOR] to [COLOR=#ff0000]69.2[/COLOR] grams.[/B]

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Yesterday was probably a little too high but from your website:

Most people meet their daily protein requirements by many times over. In addition there is a misconception that a high protein diet is helpful for training. High protein diets do not help improve muscle strength or aid in training. In fact, high protein diets can be harmful to your health. There is far more risk to your health from high protein diet than from low protein diet.[LIST][*]Proteins have a high amount of nitrogen. When nitrogen is broken down in the liver it creates ammonia. Ammonia is poisonous. The increased level of ammonia in the body is harmful to cells and may decrease atheletic performance.[*][B]Stress on kidneys occurs when more than 2 grams per kilogram of ideal body weight per day is consumed.[/B][*]High levels of protein intake require increased amount of vitamin B6. It is possible to become deficient in vitamin B6 while using a high protein diet.[*]Calcium loss, which leads to osteoporosis, occurs with high levels of protein intake[/LIST]So i should be okay with 180grams and will probably stretch that out to a little over 200. I will start drinking more water. Here is something i read about high protein:

[url=http://bodybuilding.about.com/od/bodybuildingfaq/f/kidneydamage.htm]Bodybuilding FAQ - Protein and Kidney Damage[/url]


I refuse to stop drinking!! NEVER!

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That study was based on 0.76 grams of protein per pound bodyweight. You're taking in 1.16 grams her pound. It's far above recommended levels even for training intake.

Protein is safe when used properly. It's in food, it's natural to the body. But, too much of ANYTHING can be bad. You can take too much calcium, overload on any vitamin and protein is no different.

Just be careful, man.

I take supps too and can't stand when people who have no clue say "protein is bad for you" and think Creatine is steroids, but you have to use things safely too.

You can even die from drinking too much water too quickly...and nothing is bad about water...until you get too much.





But, it's OK. Your liver is going to explode before your kidneys. :joke:

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[quote=mlmpetert;786847]Yesterday was probably a little too high but from your website:


Most people meet their daily protein requirements by many times over. In addition there is a misconception that a high protein diet is helpful for training. High protein diets do not help improve muscle strength or aid in training. In fact, high protein diets can be harmful to your health. There is far more risk to your health from high protein diet than from low protein diet.[LIST][*]Proteins have a high amount of nitrogen. When nitrogen is broken down in the liver it creates ammonia. Ammonia is poisonous. The increased level of ammonia in the body is harmful to cells and may decrease atheletic performance.[*][B]Stress on kidneys occurs when more than 2 grams per kilogram of ideal body weight per day is consumed.[/B][*]High levels of protein intake require increased amount of vitamin B6. It is possible to become deficient in vitamin B6 while using a high protein diet.[*]Calcium loss, which leads to osteoporosis, occurs with high levels of protein intake[/LIST]So i should be okay with 180grams and will probably stretch that out to a little over 200. I will start drinking more water. Here is something i read about high protein:

[URL="http://bodybuilding.about.com/od/bodybuildingfaq/f/kidneydamage.htm"]Bodybuilding FAQ - Protein and Kidney Damage[/URL]


I refuse to stop drinking!! NEVER![/quote]

Just how much are you drinking? Keep in mind:

[URL]http://www.montclair.edu/caps/alcoholmuscle.pdf[/URL]

[url=http://workout-and-fitness-tips.blogspot.com/2007/09/effects-of-alcohol-on-your-dietworkout.html]Workout and Fitness Tips: Effects of Alcohol on Your Diet and Exercise Program[/url]

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^ Enough to be hung over and unable to mow the lawn apparently. :D


[QUOTE] Also I put my 80 weight vest to test this weekend and put down dandylion killer on my lawn. I could only do it for about ¼ of the lawn, before I gave up ( I was also pretty hungover).[/QUOTE]

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Hey! [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]1) I wasnt mowing the grass i was pushing a spreader spreading weed killer WITH a 80 weight vest on[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]2) [URL="http://thestir.cafemom.com/healthy_living/116607/out_with_water_in_with"][COLOR=#670100]http://thestir.cafemom.com/healthy_living/116607/out_with_water_in_with[/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana](okay this point may be moot, as it pertains to low alcohol beer)[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]3) Ive made significant muscel gains in my mind over the last month[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Honestly i dont really have time to drink and dont drink that much. Maybe 1 (occasionally 2) nights on the weekdays which is usually always less than 4 drinks. On weekends; however, its possibly more……[/FONT][/COLOR]

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Yeah not only is that point moot but it's totally laughable. Good try though. ;)

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[quote=mlmpetert;786920][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]3) Ive made significant muscel gains[B] in my mind [/B]over the last month[/FONT][/COLOR]
[/quote]


:lol:

Sorry...funny wording.

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[QUOTE=mlmpetert;789706]VCU. VCU. VCU! Unfortunately I had to spend the night looking throuught struppeds the whole night see bachloer thresad.


-VCU VCU. Richmond. Mason.

CAA CAA[/QUOTE]




How's your progress?

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Well with the VCU run in the CAA tourney and then the VCU run in the NCAA tourney and plus a bachelor party filled with strippers/struppeds, my workout schedule has been a little erratic. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Once i hit 235 i modified my bench press grip because i saw some stuff on the ole 'net about shoulder issues with higher weight. Of course once i modified my grip i got a little weaker (expected) and my right shoulder started acting up (not expected), so now im taking today off, just gonna do p90x this week and then returning to a regular schedule next week. Ive been able to hold onto the 235 bench press but i havent gone up. [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I think I should be able to return to my normal workout schedule next week so hopefully ill start making gains again. [/FONT][/COLOR]Any grip suggestions would be great. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Also a guy I work with told me about chia (like the pet) seeds. His son is a vegan and eats them. Apparently they are one of the rare complete non-meat proteins. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Also I went to a girls going away party yesterday and her friends got her a male stripper (I never saw him and went with most of the other dudes to the basement to play pool or darts). So were talking to the strippers pimp (I guess that what you call him) and he said I definitely got the body to be a stripper (I know, sounds a little gay). Plus from the bachelor party this weekend I was talking to the groups consensus hottest stripper (female) at Derriere’s (definitely a hot stripper, but Derriere’s was the shittiest out of the 3 we went to). Now shes calling and texing me, shes from woodbridge and shes gonna be in DC next weekend………. At first I thought I was totally sweet, but now Im just really scared and hope she doesn’t try and contact me again ESPICIALLY if im drunk at the time….. Either way both things make me want to continue working out, even though its getting nice outside. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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I have heard of people eating Chia seeds actually. No way I'd do it...what happens when you "water" them with a drink? :D


I could have done without that last paragraph.

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^^ lol, TMI for ya?

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In before he grows green chest hair from Chia seeds and scares the women at his new "job".

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So the guy i work with has 2 kids; one's a vegan the other is a little pudgy. The pudgy one takes chia seeds 30 mins before meals with a full glass of water so they expand and reduces his appetite. Apparently it has worked well so far (about a month).

Sorry about all the details. Its just that I don’t get chased by a stripper all that often, or get offered a job from a completely unrelated stripper pimp, in the same day nonetheless! I almost feel like im part of the biz now…… soulless and in need of a shower asap.

Haha wow

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[quote=mlmpetert;790139]Sorry about all the details. Its just that I don’t get chased by a stripper all that often, or get offered a job from a completely unrelated stripper pimp, in the same day nonetheless! I almost feel like im part of the biz now…… soulless and in need of a shower asap.[/quote]

I just watched this last night...and I think it fits VERY well. Skip to 0:45.

[YT]oloPwQ9uN-o[/YT]


[B]"For some manly love, be here March 25 at 2:15 AM sharp"[/B]

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Holy crap that's in a few hours!

[IMG]http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9237/215dy.jpg[/IMG]

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I did not know it until I saw the credits last night...Seabass was CAM NEELY. Whoa...

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So, are any of you guys still doing P90X? Have any of you went on and purchased P90X 2? I took a little break from doing P90X 5 days a week, and I'm now back to 5 days again. Just about to complete my second week of phase one. I have to say, it's much tougher for me getting going this time then it was when I first started doing P90X. I really HATE getting older, but I promised myself and my fiancee' that I would be in tip top shape by the wedding.

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I still use it as a supplemental workout. I usually run 3 days a week, and lift 2 days using the videos. I haven't checked out 2 yet. I kinda got away from it when I started running last summer. Got hooked on that and haven't looked back.

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[quote=Mattyk;875302]I still use it as a supplemental workout. I usually run 3 days a week, and lift 2 days using the videos. I haven't checked out 2 yet. I kinda got away from it when I started running last summer. Got hooked on that and haven't looked back.[/quote]

You run outside or on a treadmill? Unfortunately, my knees just can't seem to take the running on pavement anymore. Of course, I also have to be careful when I'm doing plyometrics.

[QUOTE=skinsguy;875315]You run outside or on a treadmill? Unfortunately, my knees just can't seem to take the running on pavement anymore. Of course, I also have to be careful when I'm doing plyometrics.[/QUOTE]

I prefer to run outside but right now with the weather it's the treadmill, or sometimes I hit the Y for the indoor track.

That plyo workout is a beast!


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[quote=Mattyk;875319]I prefer to run outside but right now with the weather it's the treadmill, or sometimes I hit the Y for the indoor track.

That plyo workout is a beast!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote]

Yes it is! Combine that with the Legs and back workout and I'm walking around like an 80 year old man!

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I did a 20 minute kettlebell workout today just to change things up and man, I'm beat and my arms and legs are like jelly. Those things are seriously no joke.

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[quote=skinsguy;875315]You run outside or on a treadmill? Unfortunately, my knees just can't seem to take the running on pavement anymore. Of course, I also have to be careful when I'm doing plyometrics.[/quote]

outta give this a try, just saw it on the news, they didn't show this video though, i wouldn't mind sitting in on this class. apparently it's supposed to be a hell of a workout, looks pretty crazy wonder if it will catch on.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9946TTiRLc]Kangoo Power Workout - YouTube[/ame]

I started P90 last year at 245 pounds I'm down to 218 but I've laid off of it as of late my workouts are basketball but I recommend it to anyone

#Hail to the Redskins

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[quote=mlmdub130;876923]outta give this a try, just saw it on the news, they didn't show this video though, i wouldn't mind sitting in on this class. apparently it's supposed to be a hell of a workout, looks pretty crazy wonder if it will catch on.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9946TTiRLc]Kangoo Power Workout - YouTube[/url][/quote]


Are those springs on their shoes? LOL!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;876925]I started P90 last year at 245 pounds I'm down to 218 but I've laid off of it as of late my workouts are basketball but I recommend it to anyone

#Hail to the Redskins[/quote]

I had cut back on the P90X for much of 2011, and now I'm trying to be back into going full force with it again. I'm in my third week, but I'm behind by a couple of workouts, so I'm not sure if I"m going to be able to get all 5 days in this week. If not, I'll add an extra week on to phase one next week, but I can already tell I'm in a bit better shape than what I was a few weeks ago. It definitely works!

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Hey everyone,

My wife and I are just about to start the Insanity workout and wondered if there is anything we should know. I'm sure it's somewhere in this thread, but I am too lazy to dig it up. We haven't really been working out in weeks and I know you're supposed to have some baseline of fitness.