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[quote=GTripp0012;529999]So I predict the cap would be 119 mil, and today we find out that its [URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/02/25/salary-cap-climbs-even-higher/"]127 mil[/URL].

Ouch. I mean for me. This is wonderful for the Redskins.[/quote]

Schneed, if this is true, then the Redskins are approximately $9 or $10million under the cap?

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nevermind I see your answer

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I heard Suisham got a 1.0 mil tender today, which should knock 0.6 off that total. Then there will be a 1.5 allotment for each of the RFA DTs, knocking another 2.3 off the total.

Nothing for Evans, who looks to be moving on, but I'm thinking some creative cap work could get Canty in here as well as Hall and Haynesworth. Wouldn't recommend it though, as it's too many eggs in the "no cap in 2010" basket.

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[quote=GTripp0012;530001]I think we're looking at 14 million in cap room. How much of this will be allocated to our RFAs and/or re-signings (non-Hall)?

And I'm guessing Snyder found out about this cap increase, and then immediately went after Albert Haynesworth.[/quote]

I still think we'll need to create more space to sign Al cuz Tampa could conceivably throw close to $20 mill at him after the house-cleaning we witnessed today. Springs will have to go, which I'm fine with. Don't get me wrong I'm not a fan of signing Al; however, as it looks now (didn't look this way yesterday) that we can sign him [I]and[/I] keep JT I think our defense will be f@ck%ng sick this year.

... man things are starting to move fast now.

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[quote=The Goat;530007]I still think we'll need to create more space to sign Al cuz Tampa could conceivably throw close to $20 mill at him after the house-cleaning we witnessed today. Springs will have to go, which I'm fine with. Don't get me wrong I'm not a fan of signing Al; however, as it looks now (didn't look this way yesterday) that we can sign him [I]and[/I] keep JT I think our defense will be f@ck%ng sick this year.

... man things are starting to move fast now.[/quote]$20 per year doesn't mean $20 in 2009 though, it means like $7-8 in 2009.

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The top post in this thread reflects my updated expectations based on the numbers.

A summary:

- Currently $10.1 million in cap room

- Will be $14.1 million by the start of free agency

- Projected signings (Schneed's forecast): Haynesworth (6.0), Hall (4.0), Kendall (1.5), Montgomery (1.0), Golston (1.0), Suisham or a similar kicker (1.0), Evans (1.0), our draft picks (2.5)

- Forecasted cap space after my projected signings: $2.1 million. So we could fit a Canty in there as well.

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[quote=GTripp0012;530008]$20 per year doesn't mean $20 in 2009 though, it means like $7-8 in 2009.[/quote]

Help me through this... been reading some articles today that say TB is so far below the floor they need to throw a ton of money somewhere and a massive front-loaded(?) contract for big Al made the most sense. What stops them from doing this in order to get the guy they want?

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I'd say Haynesworth is pretty much a lock now. If I were asked to pick between Canty and Hall, I'd choose Canty no doubt. Canty would mean no Evans though.

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[quote=Schneed10;530009]The top post in this thread reflects my updated expectations based on the numbers.

A summary:

- Currently $10.1 million in cap room

- Will be $14.1 million by the start of free agency

- Projected signings (Schneed's forecast): Haynesworth (6.0), Hall (4.0), Kendall (1.5), Montgomery (1.0), Golston (1.0), Suisham or a similar kicker (1.0), Evans (1.0), our draft picks (2.5)

- Forecasted cap space after my projected signings: $2.1 million. So we could fit a Canty in there as well.[/quote]

No FA signings to help the o-line or OLB? I just think that forces us to rely very heavily on the draft i.e. basically getting two starters in the 1st and 2nd or 1st and 3rd rounds? I like the idea but man that requires our FO to do much better scouting than we've shown in a long time.

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[quote=The Goat;530013]Help me through this... been reading some articles today that say TB is so far below the floor they need to throw a ton of money somewhere and a massive front-loaded(?) contract for big Al made the most sense. What stops them from doing this in order to get the guy they want?[/quote]Nothing is more front-loaded than a signing bonus, from the player's perspective. The Bucs can do something ridiculous and give him a 40 million dollar roster bonus payable in 2009, and the Skins could match with their own 40 million SB, which gets prorated over the first 5 years of the deal.

Except because they are the Redskins, they'd structure it so he gets $20 million in 2009 and $20 million in 2010, both bonuses, fully guaranteed. The net cap result in 2009 is 4 million prorated SB plus his salary (likely 2-3 million). Albert gets 40 million to spend, the Skins put it on the books as six million.

Meanwhile, Tampa has it on the books as 40 million in 2009 (in this pie in the sky scenario).

Haynesworth sees it as the same money, and signs where he wants to play (in this case, here).

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And if there ever was a cap again, this deal would totally and monstrously screw us over.

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[quote=The Goat;530015]No FA signings to help the o-line or OLB? I just think that forces us to rely very heavily on the draft i.e. basically getting two starters in the 1st and 2nd or 1st and 3rd rounds? I like the idea but man that requires our FO to do much better scouting than we've shown in a long time.[/quote]

There could still be other signings. This is a lot of space we're working with here.

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[quote=GTripp0012;530016]Nothing is more front-loaded than a signing bonus, from the player's perspective. The Bucs can do something ridiculous and give him a 40 million dollar roster bonus payable in 2009, and the Skins could match with their own 40 million SB, which gets prorated over the first 5 years of the deal.

Except because they are the Redskins, they'd structure it so he gets $20 million in 2009 and $20 million in 2010, both bonuses, fully guaranteed. The net cap result in 2009 is 4 million prorated SB plus his salary (likely 2-3 million). Albert gets 40 million to spend, the Skins put it on the books as six million.

Meanwhile, Tampa has it on the books as 40 million in 2009 (in this pie in the sky scenario).

[B]Haynesworth sees it as the same money, and signs where he wants to play (in this case, here).[/B][/quote]

Ok i got it... how do we know big Al is partial to the B & G over Tampa?

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[quote=Schneed10;530018]There could still be other signings. This is a lot of space we're working with here.[/quote]I'd up the projected tenders a half million for Monty and Golston each. The 2nd round tender has been set at 1.5 million.

Don't know where I heard it, but I heard today that Suisham's 1.0 tender has been offered and accepted. I'll see if I can dig up a link.

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[quote=The Goat;530020]Ok i got it... how do we know big Al is partial to the B & G over Tampa?[/quote]Well, we can throw an extra 5 million in there for good measure...but only if we're unsure ;)

BTW, that Tampa scenario is a total pie in the sky scenario. A 40 million roster bonus is totally unheard of. The larger point is this: if we let Hall test the market, there's no way Tampa could outbid us for Haynesworth. They simply don't have the market size to write a check in excess of 35 million tomorrow. Before this cap adjustment, we probably couldn't have done so legally, but that's all changed now.

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[quote=GTripp0012;530014][B]I'd say Haynesworth is pretty much a lock now.[/B] If I were asked to pick between Canty and Hall, I'd choose Canty no doubt. Canty would mean no Evans though.[/quote]

I would agree wholeheartedly. There's no other explanation for why the Redskins would seek to clear so much space by restructuring Samuels, Carter, Randle El, and Griffin.

I think the Redskins front office new the cap would be going up to 127 because they have access to league wide revenue data and can easily project the cap number based on revenue sharing rules.

They cleared space beyond the cap limit boost through restructures. That was done purposely for one reason, landing a big fish or two.

I'm so confident in it that I'm almost ready to go buy an authentic Haynesworth jersey.

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And, admittedly, the higher cap drives up the price for Haynesworth. So Schneeds' figure is probably a little low in my opinion, since 6/100 appears to be a reality. But if only 35 million gets guarenteed, it's only about 7.5 mil on the 2009 cap still.

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[quote=GTripp0012;530021]I'd up the projected tenders a half million for Monty and Golston each. The 2nd round tender has been set at 1.5 million.

Don't know where I heard it, but [B]I heard today that Suisham's 1.0 tender has been offered and accepted.[/B] I'll see if I can dig up a link.[/quote]

If you verify this GTripp I am going to throw myself down some stairs. I would rather bring back Ola Kimrin instead of this ass hat.

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[quote=DirtyLandry;530027]If you verify this GTripp I am going to throw myself down some stairs. I would rather bring back Ola Kimrin instead of this [B]ass hat[/B].[/quote]

Ass hat? A new phrase for me I guess. Ass clown maybe? U can also say he has rectal-cranial inversion, which is personally my favorite to use around the office.

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[quote=DirtyLandry;530027]If you verify this GTripp I am going to throw myself down some stairs. I would rather bring back Ola Kimrin instead of this ass hat.[/quote]

Hahaha. Amen.

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Going to bed as to save a flight of stairs from DirtyLandry.

If I wake up to any form of Ola Kimrin news, your flight of stairs is mine.

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[quote=GTripp0012;530016]Nothing is more front-loaded than a signing bonus, from the player's perspective. The Bucs can do something ridiculous and give him a 40 million dollar roster bonus payable in 2009, and the Skins could match with their own 40 million SB, which gets prorated over the first 5 years of the deal.

Except because they are the Redskins, they'd structure it so he gets $20 million in 2009 and $20 million in 2010, both bonuses, fully guaranteed. The net cap result in 2009 is 4 million prorated SB plus his salary (likely 2-3 million). Albert gets 40 million to spend, the Skins put it on the books as six million.

Meanwhile, Tampa has it on the books as 40 million in 2009 (in this pie in the sky scenario).

Haynesworth sees it as the same money, and signs where he wants to play (in this case, here).[/quote]

this won't work. gauranteed money in a capless year counts fully in 2009, so that deal would count 26$mill in 2009.

we can still give him 35$mill SB and 100mill$, but his 2009 number (due to the 30% rule and various bonus clauses for capless years) is going to be about 12mill minimum. 4mill for hall is ridiculous low too, he won't come here for that, (cause with the 40% rule that means it'd be like a 5 year 24mill deal with 15mill SB which i think would be illegal as far as salary/SB ratio (thanks to deion)).

that still leaves us enough space to sign an OL FA of decent quality and hall, sign our rookies and our UFA/RFAs, and maybe even add a stopgap (1-1.5mill) LB.

taylor and springs are both going to have to go though if we want to sign two ~6mill FAs (hall and OL guy).

after all that the money will be REAL tight.

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[quote=GTripp0012;530021]I'd up the projected tenders a half million for Monty and Golston each. The 2nd round tender has been set at 1.5 million.

Don't know where I heard it, but I heard today that Suisham's 1.0 tender has been offered and accepted. I'll see if I can dig up a link.[/quote]

Well I'm not the missing link, but I can vouch for your Suisham comment. I heard the same thing

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This is the worst tourcher for me ever, I am literally like an hour from getting on a bus and starting basic training, and it is gonna take me a while to find out what happened with Haynesworth and Hall! Hail to the Skins, and I will begin posting in 9 weeks!!!!

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[quote=The Goat;530013]Help me through this... been reading some articles today that say TB is so far below the floor they need to throw a ton of money somewhere and a massive front-loaded(?) contract for big Al made the most sense. What stops them from doing this in order to get the guy they want?[/quote]

No top tier free agent is going to sign with Tampa, not one who wants a shot at a title anytime soon. The just blew up their defensive core and don't have a quaterback. It would take Haynesworth and his agent to be high off their asses to sign there.

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I have no idea how the Redskins or WHY the redskins continue to rework contracts of older players (samuels, griffin, Randel el ect). all this does is just create problems down the road, over paying for over the hill talent. Hayneworth is going to get upwards of 12 to 15 million a year. We dont have the room to do this. The Post says we were still over the cap last week even with reworking contracts again. This crap is getting old. This is why we dont have money to sign decent depth to our team and why we continue to let quality players leave and sign players that dont do shit while they are here. We want to go after Canty from dallas??? He would fill the role of Evans....so why even go after him?? He is a great locker room guy, the guys really like and respect him. This to me is one of the typical Redskin errors.

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I tried to look backwards but could not figure it out. Do your numbers count on us cutting either JT or SS? or are we able to try for AH even if we keep both? Thanks guys

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[quote=That Guy;530065]this won't work. gauranteed money in a capless year counts fully in 2009, so that deal would count 26$mill in 2009.

we can still give him 35$mill SB and 100mill$, but his 2009 number (due to the 30% rule and various bonus clauses for capless years) is going to be about 12mill minimum. [B]4mill for hall is ridiculous low too, he won't come here for that, (cause with the 40% rule that means it'd be like a 5 year 24mill deal with 15mill SB which i think would be illegal as far as salary/SB ratio (thanks to deion)).[/B]

that still leaves us enough space to sign an OL FA of decent quality and hall, sign our rookies and our UFA/RFAs, and maybe even add a stopgap (1-1.5mill) LB.

taylor and springs are both going to have to go though if we want to sign two ~6mill FAs (hall and OL guy).

after all that the money will be REAL tight.[/quote]

I disagree. JLC is reporting $15 million in guarantees is the ballpark for Hall. Going off that, no matter what length a deal you give him, you can only allocate that over 5 years. So the guarantee would count $3.0 million in 2009.

But you could still get around the 30% rule with an adequately lengthy contract, perhaps 6-8 years, allowing you to grow base salaries and include unguaranteed option bonuses in the out years. Perhaps the base salary in 2009 would have to be $1.5 million in order to keep with 30%, but I can't see it needing to be much higher than that. The absolute max cap hit for Hall would be $5.0 million, and I think closer to $4.0 is realistic given the 'Skins' ability to restructure/extend their other guys.

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[quote=Son Of Man;530076]No top tier free agent is going to sign with Tampa, not one who wants a shot at a title anytime soon. The just blew up their defensive core and don't have a quaterback. It would take Haynesworth and his agent to be high off their asses to sign there.[/quote]

Money talks, especially big money

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;530078]I tried to look backwards but could not figure it out. Do your numbers count on us cutting either JT or SS? or are we able to try for AH even if we keep both? Thanks guys[/quote]

The way the math works out for me, we can keep both JT and Springs, and still afford to grab Haynesworth, resign Hall, tender the guys important to us, and still MAYBE have room for some OL or LB [I]depth[/I].

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[quote=Mattyk72;530082]Money talks, especially big money[/quote]

I totally agree but if Haynesworth is seeing the end of the tunnel and knows he wants a ring before his career ends he's going to be looking for a team that has the best chance to get it for him along with the money. Cause who ever signs him will have him tied up for a few yrs and his next best chance will be when he's in his 30's. Teams will probably not pay him top dollar then and most likely his abilities will probably start to slide.

I think if he's smart he's going to be looking for his best chance and best team to end his career on. The problem with Tampa is (and I like Tampa) with a new coach, no QB, a blown up defense, nobody knows how they will be next year. They could be the Cinderella team or more then likely an 8-8 team. If it's between us and Tampa I would give us the better chance of going to the SB over Tampa. Last year was our transition year so we are in a second year with the same offense not starting new. We are in our second year with our Coach's which means players know what to expect. We had the 4th ranked defense and knowing defense is what's getting teams to the playoffs adding Haynesworth would make our team a whole lot better.

True we had low scoring but most of the teams that made the playoffs that had a great defense scored low in their games all season also or so I thought I heard somewhere. ie; Baltimore, and Pittsburge, and Philli. I'm not sure of the others....I wanted to lump Arizona in there also but they could score. In any event, looking at the Skins if we could simply add one or two pieces to our defense to make it better then 4th ranked and add a few pieces to the offense coming back healthy having a better understanding of the offensive plays looks better then an unknown Tampa. I'm being very optimistic. I don't know who the other suiters were for Haynesworth to know if they would offer him a better chance for a SB ring.

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[quote=SBXVII;530089]I totally agree but if Haynesworth is seeing the end of the tunnel and knows he wants a ring before his career ends he's going to be looking for a team that has the best chance to get it for him along with the money. Cause who ever signs him will have him tied up for a few yrs and his next best chance will be when he's in his 30's. Teams will probably not pay him top dollar then and most likely his abilities will probably start to slide.

I think if he's smart he's going to be looking for his best chance and best team to end his career on. The problem with Tampa is (and I like Tampa) with a new coach, no QB, a blown up defense, nobody knows how they will be next year. They could be the Cinderella team or more then likely an 8-8 team. If it's between us and Tampa I would give us the better chance of going to the SB over Tampa. Last year was our transition year so we are in a second year with the same offense not starting new. We are in our second year with our Coach's which means players know what to expect. We had the 4th ranked defense and knowing defense is what's getting teams to the playoffs adding Haynesworth would make our team a whole lot better.

True we had low scoring but most of the teams that made the playoffs that had a great defense scored low in their games all season also or so I thought I heard somewhere. ie; Baltimore, and Pittsburge, and Philli. I'm not sure of the others....I wanted to lump Arizona in there also but they could score. In any event, looking at the Skins if we could simply add one or two pieces to our defense to make it better then 4th ranked and add a few pieces to the offense coming back healthy having a better understanding of the offensive plays looks better then an unknown Tampa. I'm being very optimistic. I don't know who the other suiters were for Haynesworth to know if they would offer him a better chance for a SB ring.[/quote]

I agree with this. While I do not like the idea of breaking the bank for him, if healthy he will make our defense that much better. I'm like half excited and half disgusted.

We are on the cusp of being really good...but also on the cusp of being really bad. So who knows? He could come here and dominate, or like everyone is saying, he could come here and be fat.

What would upset me the most though, is if he were to go somehwere else, and play awesome. That would suck.

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It's not like Tampa is an NFL wasteland though, they are generally pretty competitive, it's a very desirable location, and they have big money to spend. I really wouldn't be surprised at all if AH lands there.

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I'm pretty stunned we only offered a 5th round tender for Montgomery. But it would kind of jive with what I'd heard (or not heard) about interest around the league in Montgomery, which is surprisingly low.

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[quote=SmootSmack;530203]I'm pretty stunned we only offered a 5th round tender for Montgomery. But it would kind of jive with what I'd heard (or not heard) about interest around the league in Montgomery, which is surprisingly low.[/quote]

He's flashed for us but has been pretty inconsistent in his young career. And there's no shortage of press coming out of Redskins Park speaking to his lack of work ethic, and Blache's tendencies to ride him hard for that reason. Better to get him for cheap (conserve that cap space for the big fish) than pretend someone would pay a 2nd rounder for him.

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[quote=Schneed10;530208]He's flashed for us but has been pretty inconsistent in his young career. And there's no shortage of press coming out of Redskins Park speaking to his lack of work ethic, and Blache's tendencies to ride him hard for that reason. Better to get him for cheap (conserve that cap space for the big fish) than pretend someone would pay a 2nd rounder for him.[/quote]

Good points. Montgomery is a lot like Haynesworth in many ways

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[quote=Mattyk72;530097]It's not like Tampa is an NFL wasteland though, they are generally pretty competitive, it's a very desirable location, and they have big money to spend. I really wouldn't be surprised at all if AH lands there.[/quote]

They have big room under the cap, but do they have big cash to pay out a massive bonus this year?

These days, cash is becoming a bigger constraint than cap. I don't know about Tampa's ability to pay huge cash, maybe they can. Question is, is our cap constraint more of a concern for us, or is their cash constraint more of a concern for them.

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Anyone noticing the linkbacks for this thread? Viva Italia!

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[quote=LandrySlice;530075]This is the worst tourcher for me ever, I am literally like an hour from getting on a bus and starting basic training, and it is gonna take me a while to find out what happened with Haynesworth and Hall! Hail to the Skins, and I will begin posting in 9 weeks!!!![/quote]

Good Luck LandrySlice! God Bless America and The Washington Redskins!!!

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So its my understanding that we are 12M under the cap now. We need 2.5M for draft picks, and we're probably tendering a few of our own guys, so lets say we save 3M for that. so that gives us 6.5M to work with.

Hall would cost us 4M against the 2009 cap. However, signing Hall likely means releasing springs, so if we made both those moves, we're still left with 9M to play with.

Lets say we do land Haynesworth. The experts here think this could be done and only cost us 7M against the 2009 cap. So that leaves us with 2M

But now Dockery is available and signing him would probably cost 3-4M against the cap. However, its my understanding that we could restructure Taylors contract and save 2M, leaving us right around the salary cap.

So, at the end of the day, if we made those moves, our entire defense would be in extremely good shape, with the only noteable vacancy at Strong Side LB.

On offense, we are set with the only noteable need for an upgrade at RT. (RG is also a need but i cant see anyone replacing Thomas this year, not with his contract).

If we don't go after Haynesworth or we decide to cut Taylor, i think its likely we have room to sign Canty, a WR such as Amani Toomer or Devery Henderson, and a LB.