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Funny how the Skins FO is now being called too stingy. :doh:

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;528318]sources inside reskins park indicated that when the redskins and Hall were talking a month ago, Hall was wanting 16M garaunteed and the skins were offering 12 and not budging.

Once Hall and his agent started seeing the kind of money other teams were going to be paying their corners, Hall likely decided his best option was to head to free agency. I mean, [B][I]why would a guy sign for 12M garaunteed when guys of equal or lesser talent to him are getting almost TWICE that (Hayden). [/I][/B] Hall would be a fool to sign with us for 12 at this point. At this point, Hall probably is the one holding things up. But we wouldnt even be in this situation if the skins had not given Hall 14-16M garaunteed when they had the chance a few weeks ago.

In the end, the redskins stingyness with its own free agents is apparent and in 2-3 years, we will look back on this as another dumb move by the FO.


Yes, Hall learned that being part of a dysfunctional franchise for a lot of money is not worth it. if Hall resigns here, he would be signing with a dysfunctional franchise for not much money at all. He was willing to do that a month ago, because we were the team he grew up rooting for. Now, we've probably lost him.

if hall has learned his lesson, he will sign for his fair market value at a team that is well run. The skins stinginess may be the best thing that ever happens to him when he winds up with a team like New England, Baltimore, or Green Bay.[/quote]

I think this situation is being handled well by both sides. It seems that there were some discussions before, when some figures about a potential deal were mentioned by JLC, showing that the team wanted to re-sign Hall or at least they were in discussions.

If you were Hall, and you knew that there were a number of CBs in the market (Asomugha, Dunta Robinson, Hayden), wouldn't you have want to wait and see how the market played out? So good for him if he wants to test the market.

That's a risk you take with players who want to become free agents. You can try and get them early, or they will tell you that they want to test the market. Honestly, I don't know why people are getting so worked up over this.

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[quote=Mattyk72;528323]Funny how the Skins FO is now being called too stingy. :doh:[/quote]

Wait, I thought the Redskins overpaid ALL their players? LOL.

Seriously, with so much bias against the Redskins FO and Hall, you're not going to get many objective posts about this situation.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;528322]Hayden is alot better than hall? Not by a long-shot. Hall will get 16 or more garaunteed if he hits the open market. He may very well even break 20. You can count on it.

I think you and i have vastly different opinions on how talented Hall is and perhaps even greater opinions on whether his character issues are a thing of the past or not.[/quote]Well, aside from the fact I really don't think he can get or is worth that much money, better them than us I guess, right?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;528297]The contract itself is fairly unconventional, but it did raise the bar. I think the contract for Chris Gamble is what most teams will go off of. Haydens contract with Indy is very similar. Thats the benchmark guys like Hall, Bodden, Bly, and others will be looking at. obviously, the guys have varying skill levels, but their agents will be looking at those contracts and trying to get their players contracts along the same lines, with the total value and garaunteed money increasing or decreasing depending on the players perceived value as opposed to that of Gamble and Hayden (long sentence, h ope it makes sense)[/quote]Hall, Bodden, and Bly have all been traded for at some point in the last two years and then released within the past year. They are all in sort of the same bracket money-wise, which is no where near Gamble/Hayden/franchise corner type-money.

I'd take Hall over Bodden and Bly, personally, but those guys are close enough in skill to where I would take any one of them if they were significantly cheaper than the others.

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[quote=SmootSmack;528296]We didn't trade a 3rd and 4th for Kendall[/quote]

Didn't we give up a 3rd in '07 and a 4th in '09 for Kendall?

Back on topic, if Hall isn't re-signed he falls in the same barrel as Dockery, Pierce, Smoot (in '06) and Clark of players that we could have retained at less than market prices but didn't and it costs us more down the line. Not that Dockery, Smoot or Clark were all pros but think about the direct impact those three decisions had on how our team looks today.

Dockery-After not signing him we made the ill fated decision to not draft another OL and instead tried to replace him with tackle Todd Wade. After disastrous results in the pre-season we spent 2 draft picks on a 32 year old Pete Kendall.

Smoot-Because his departure created a large hole at starting CB we drafted Carlos Rogers instead of DeMarcus Ware-who ended up with a division rival and has at least one sack per game vs. Chris Samuels or Shawn Merriman who before this season's injury was one of the most dominant LB in the game.

Clark-After whiffing badly on Archuleta and an over matched Reed Doughty the team drafted Laron Landry at #6 forming what could have been a devastating safety tandem for the next decade. After the Taylor murder the Skins are 'stuck' with a player that could be a dominant strong safety a la Polumalu but have to play him 30 yards off the ball at free safety which severely limits his effectiveness.

Pierce has proven to be the best MLB in the division and one of the top 3 in the conference while we had to spend big money on Fletcher and will have to sign or draft his replacement within 2 years. Outside of Lloyd (which cost money AND picks) that decision was the worst personnel moves by the team in the past 10 years.

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Hall made a HUGE difference in our won/lost record after we signed him midway through the season. Hell, lets give him a 100 mil contract and be done with it.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;528318]sources inside reskins park indicated that when the redskins and Hall were talking a month ago, Hall was wanting 16M garaunteed and the skins were offering 12 and not budging.

Once Hall and his agent started seeing the kind of money other teams were going to be paying their corners, Hall likely decided his best option was to head to free agency. I mean, [B][I]why would a guy sign for 12M garaunteed when guys of equal or lesser talent to him are getting almost TWICE that (Hayden). [/I][/B][/quote]

Fair or not, Hall got his BIG contract last year, and he was cut. I just don't think that fact should be ignored

[quote] Hall would be a fool to sign with us for 12 at this point. At this point, Hall probably is the one holding things up. But we wouldnt even be in this situation if the skins had not given Hall 14-16M garaunteed when they had the chance a few weeks ago.

In the end, the redskins stingyness with its own free agents is apparent and in 2-3 years, [B]we will look back on this as another dumb move by the FO[/B].[/quote]

Look I can agree with Pierce and Ryan, I hated those two players leaving, but they were "proven Redskins", made sacrifices for the team, played their role, and then when they got their shot, we did not step up. But Hall, regardless of talent(which I admit my bias that while his hands are incredible, his coverage is not as good -imo), is not worthy of a Skins for life contract. If he goes, I will still miss Champ more than him, and will wish him success, just not against us.

[quote]Yes, Hall learned that being part of a dysfunctional franchise for a lot of money is not worth it. [B]if Hall resigns here, he would be signing with a dysfunctional franchise for not much money at all[/B]. He was willing to do that a month ago, because we were the team he grew up rooting for. Now, we've probably lost him.

if hall has learned his lesson, he will sign for his fair market value at a team that is well run. The skins stinginess may be the best thing that ever happens to him when he winds up with a team like New England, Baltimore, or Green Bay.[/quote]
I get it, you hate the FO, but I have to wonder if Vinny/Snyder were giving him 18-20M guaranteed at the very outset, or if they had signed him off of waivers if you would not have been screaming just how dumb the FO is for bringing in Hall in the first place.

I don't think the Skins FO is dysfunctional, and I think there is solid proof that they are learning every year. But on that we will most likely have to agree to disagree.

And one last note- I would like Hall to be back here, but not for more than 12M guaranteed. Give the rest to him in incentives. That works.

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[quote=Paintrain;528328]Didn't we give up a 3rd in '07 and a 4th in '09 for Kendall?

Back on topic, if Hall isn't re-signed he falls in the same barrel as Dockery, Pierce, Smoot (in '06) and Clark of players that we could have retained at less than market prices but didn't and it costs us more down the line. Not that Dockery, Smoot or Clark were all pros but think about the direct impact those three decisions had on how our team looks today.

Dockery-After not signing him we made the ill fated decision to not draft another OL and instead tried to replace him with tackle Todd Wade. After disastrous results in the pre-season we spent 2 draft picks on a 32 year old Pete Kendall.

Smoot-Because his departure created a large hole at starting CB we drafted Carlos Rogers instead of DeMarcus Ware-who ended up with a division rival and has at least one sack per game vs. Chris Samuels or Shawn Merriman who before this season's injury was one of the most dominant LB in the game.

Clark-After whiffing badly on Archuleta and an over matched Reed Doughty the team drafted Laron Landry at #6 forming what could have been a devastating safety tandem for the next decade. After the Taylor murder the Skins are 'stuck' with a player that could be a dominant strong safety a la Polumalu but have to play him 30 yards off the ball at free safety which severely limits his effectiveness.

Pierce has proven to be the best MLB in the division and one of the top 3 in the conference while we had to spend big money on Fletcher and will have to sign or draft his replacement within 2 years. Outside of Lloyd (which cost money AND picks) that decision was the worst personnel moves by the team in the past 10 years.[/quote]

It was just one pick

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2988171"]Jets' Kendall dealt to Redskins for mid-round draft pick - NFL - ESPN[/URL]

The Jets will receive a fifth-round pick in 2008 if Kendall plays 80 percent of the snaps this year for Washington; if he plays more than that, the pick would be upgraded to a fourth-rounder in 2009.

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[quote]Originally Posted by [B]Mattyk72[/B] Funny how the Skins FO is now being called too stingy[/quote]
They are being stingy with their [B]own[/B] FA (Hall)

[quote]Originally Posted by [B]BigHairedAristocrat [/B]In the end, the redskins stingyness with its [B]own free agents [/B]is apparent and in 2-3 years, we will look back on this as another dumb move by the FO.[/quote]
I think if the Skins would have gave Hall what he wanted when talks first broke, he would be signed at between 14 and 16m and it be a done deal.

Now that Hall sees what other "unstingy" teams are doing $$$ to keep their talent, he will probably demand more or wait and see if someone else will pay him.

That IMO is typical Redskin negotiations. And what I find funny is how once again every other teams players are better or worth the $$$. But the Skins players are not.

I agree with BHA the Skins are being stingy with Hall. And if we lose Hall over 2 or 3mill. Or if we end up paying him more than 16M. Then, we will look back and say another dumb move by FO.IMO. Of course this all depends on if what we are hearing from outside sources are true.

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I think we will be really hurting if we loose Hall, I love what he brings to the D, and without him I feel like our DB's become much more limited in what they can do in coverage. Smoot seems like he didin't do anything last year, and Springs we all know his problems, Tryon is funny to me now after all his talk in the off season, and Los is my only DB besides Landry who I feel is worth a damn. KEEP HALL! Plus I really look good in his jersey!

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[quote=LandrySlice;528343]I think we will be really hurting if we loose Hall, I love what he brings to the D, and [B]without him I feel like our DB's become much more limited in what they can do in coverage[/B]. Smoot seems like he didin't do anything last year, and Springs we all know his problems, Tryon is funny to me now after all his talk in the off season, and Los is my only DB besides Landry who I feel is worth a ***. KEEP HALL! Plus I really look good in his jersey![/quote]

I ask as a semi honest question:
Was our DB coverage really the issue last year before Hall signed on?

As I remember it the first 5 or 6 games our DBs covered AZ (and we know they have receivers), NO, Dallas, and Philly's all impressive DeSean Jackson (i didn't think anybody could cover him).

over and over I just keep thinking, yes Hall would be good, but please don't overpay him. For me that would be the bigger FO blunder, having to lose another player at some point because we stretched to keep Hall.

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ok, something weird is going on in this thread. it says there are 15 pages, but it wont let me go to page 15. it was doing the same thing earlier when the thread was 14 pages - it wouldnt let me go past 13. is anyone else having similar problems?

[EDIT] - ok, now i'm the 1st post on the 15th page. maybe it something with my browser. If so, my apologies for the off-topic post.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;528362]ok, something weird is going on in this thread. it says there are 15 pages, but it wont let me go to page 15. it was doing the same thing earlier when the thread was 14 pages - it wouldnt let me go past 13. is anyone else having similar problems?[/quote]

yea BHA the last few days. Same thing here man

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;528318]

if hall has learned his lesson, he will sign for his fair market value at a team that is well run. The skins stinginess may be the best thing that ever happens to him when he winds up with a team like [B]New England[/B], Baltimore, or Green Bay.[/quote]

This is where you lose me BHA. I like the points you bring up but then you say things like this. Do you really think N.E. would pay Hall the type of money you propose? This from a team that said no to Assante Samuel? I don't think anyone here opposes having Hall on our team. But to give him a huge contract just doesn't make sense to me. Why not offer him a good 3 year deal? If he doesn't turn out to be the player some think he will be, then we're not stuck with him forever. If he doe's turn out well, then we can either resign him or Tag him for at least 2 years. Or MAYBE even draft his replacement in the meantime. Having a shutdown corner, which Hall is not, does'nt guarantee wins. I give you Champ Bailey. Our secondary was one of our strengths before Hall even got here. If we're going to spend some money let's get Carey and a kicker in here and draft an OLB who can get to the QB. I think these things will go further toward making the playoffs on a consistent basis than giving Hall a big longterm deal.

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[quote=53Fan;528364]This is where you lose me BHA. I like the points you bring up but then you say things like this. Do you really think N.E. would pay Hall the type of money you propose? This from a team that said no to Assante Samuel? I don't think anyone here opposes having Hall on our team. But to give him a huge contract just doesn't make sense to me. Why not offer him a good 3 year deal? If he doesn't turn out to be the player some think he will be, then we're not stuck with him forever. If he doe's turn out well, then we can either resign him or Tag him for at least 2 years. Or MAYBE even draft his replacement in the meantime. Having a shutdown corner, which Hall is not, does'nt guarantee wins. I give you Champ Bailey. Our secondary was one of our strengths before Hall even got here. If we're going to spend some money let's get Carey and a kicker in here and draft an OLB who can get to the QB. I think these things will go further toward making the playoffs on a consistent basis than giving Hall a big longterm deal.[/quote]

I like your idea of the 3 year deal 53. Also agree we shouldnt break the bank for Hall but we should have IMO gave him his 16M and signed him. I'm also real strong on getting a real kicker in here. It would be nice to make the other guys have to drive 80-90 yards more often.

Also Hall is th closest thing we have to Champ Bailey and he has Darrell Green speed. I believe he runs a 4.2 40

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[quote=53Fan;528364]This is where you lose me BHA. I like the points you bring up but then you say things like this. Do you really think N.E. would pay Hall the type of money you propose? This from a team that said no to Assante Samuel? I don't think anyone here opposes having Hall on our team. But to give him a huge contract just doesn't make sense to me. Why not offer him a good 3 year deal? If he doesn't turn out to be the player some think he will be, then we're not stuck with him forever. If he doe's turn out well, then we can either resign him or Tag him for at least 2 years. Or MAYBE even draft his replacement in the meantime. Having a shutdown corner, which Hall is not, does'nt guarantee wins. I give you Champ Bailey. Our secondary was one of our strengths before Hall even got here. If we're going to spend some money let's get Carey and a kicker in here and draft an OLB who can get to the QB. I think these things will go further toward making the playoffs on a consistent basis than giving Hall a big longterm deal.[/quote]

Asante wanted and got more money than what New England would be pay Hall. New England is not a stingy team, they just valued Samuel alot less than he valued himself... as to why i listed them as a team that would be intersted in Hall, i was listening to an NFL podcast (some espn guy) last week that was actually speculating that New England would be pursuing Aso if he wasnt tagged. CB is one of the primary positions they plan on upgrading and I would be shocked if they did not consider signing Hall, Bly, or Bodden... those players would also likely sign for NE cheaper than other teams, as they would have the chance to play for a team thats an annual contender.

As to our own needs, our secondary was a strength before hall got here, but Halls arrival semi-coincided with Springs recurring injury and Rogers and Smoots drop in play. Considering that Springs really should be let go due to his cap figure, Rogers is being a tool demanding a trade, and Smoot is just horrible... what was once a strenght could become our most glaring weakness overnight. At the end of the season, Hall was without a doubt our best corner. Signing him gives us so much more flexibility in what we can do.

Realistically, at this point, I think Hall may be priced out of what we should pay for him. If the FO had any foresight, as many of us fans did, they would have signed him to a 14-16M deal when they had the chance. Now, our best bet may be to let him sign elsewhere. We have too many needs to give ANYONE 20+M garaunteed and, as the current top corner on the market, Hall is in the drivers seat, and he will command top dollar.

If Hall walks, we certianly need to stay away from any other corners in the first couple weeks of free agency. Teams dont need top corners if they have a strong pass rush, so i think our best bet may be to let the offensive line stay pretty much in tact for another year and use our first round pick on a passrusher instead of a franchise RT.

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[quote=44ever;528377]I like your idea of the 3 year deal 53. Also agree we shouldnt break the bank for Hall but we should have IMO gave him his 16M and signed him. I'm also real strong on getting a real kicker in here. It would be nice to make the other guys have to drive 80-90 yards more often.

Also Hall is th closest thing we have to Champ Bailey and he has Darrell Green speed. I believe he runs a 4.2 40[/quote]

Forgot to comment on it, but from a team perspective, i like the idea of a 3 year deal. however, Hall has no incentive to do such a deal unless its very lucrative (8-9M+/year), which would be bad for us. It just doesnt seem like a realistic option though.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;528380]Asante wanted and got more money than what New England would be pay Hall. New England is not a stingy team, they just valued Samuel alot less than he valued himself... as to why i listed them as a team that would be intersted in Hall, i was listening to an NFL podcast (some espn guy) last week that was actually speculating that New England would be pursuing Aso if he wasnt tagged. CB is one of the primary positions they plan on upgrading and I would be shocked if they did not consider signing Hall, Bly, or Bodden... those players would also likely sign for NE cheaper than other teams, as they would have the chance to play for a team thats an annual contender.

As to our own needs, our secondary was a strength before hall got here, but Halls arrival semi-coincided with Springs recurring injury and Rogers and Smoots drop in play. Considering that Springs really should be let go due to his cap figure, Rogers is being a tool demanding a trade, and Smoot is just horrible... what was once a strenght could become our most glaring weakness overnight. At the end of the season, Hall was without a doubt our best corner. Signing him gives us so much more flexibility in what we can do.

Realistically, at this point, I think Hall may be priced out of what we should pay for him. If the FO had any foresight, as many of us fans did, they would have signed him to a 14-16M deal when they had the chance. Now, our best bet may be to let him sign elsewhere. We have too many needs to give ANYONE 20+M garaunteed and, as the current top corner on the market, Hall is in the drivers seat, and he will command top dollar.

If Hall walks, we certianly need to stay away from any other corners in the first couple weeks of free agency. Teams dont need top corners if they have a strong pass rush, so i think our best bet may be to let the offensive line stay pretty much in tact for another year and use our first round pick on a passrusher instead of a franchise RT.[/quote]

How is Carlos Rogers a tool for saying he was frustrated he wasn't starting (which led to unsubsuntiated rumors that he was demanding a trade), yet Hall isn't a tool for allegedly (according to "well placed sources inside Redskin Park) refusing $12 million guaranteed when it was, again allegedly, offered to him?

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[quote=SmootSmack;528413]How is Carlos Rogers a tool for saying he was frustrated he wasn't starting (which led to unsubsuntiated rumors that he was demanding a trade), yet Hall isn't a tool for allegedly (according to "well placed sources inside Redskin Park) refusing $12 million guaranteed when it was, again allegedly, offered to him?[/quote]

The difference is clear - one of these players is under contract. The other is not. One of them is making goundless demands. The other is negotiating.

Rogers signed a contract and is still contractualy obligated to play for the washington redskins for [I]TWO more years[/I]... yet he allegedly has demanded a trade. Thats very toolish if you ask me.

Hall is whats known as a free agent. H[I]e has no contractual obligations to the washington redskins.[/I] He is not (allegedly) making threats or demands. We got half a seasons worth of play out of him at a bargain price. He, like anyone would, refused to accept a teams first, lowball offer of 12M dollars. Probably a good thing to, because he will get substantially more on the open market. Hall allegedly proposed to stay in washington for 16M garaunteed. Considering what he will get on the open market, that is a substantial hometown discount.

Assuming the leaked info on both Hall and Rogers is true, Rogers is a total Tool in the mold of T.O. and Hall is just a guy with a very smart agent, who offered the team he wants to play for a nice hometown discount... Joe Gibbs had a phrase for guys like that. what was it again?

EDIT: I may have taken that a bit too far with that last part, lol

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excuse me for my ignorance but what was Gibbs's phrase?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;528434]The difference is clear - one of these players is under contract. The other is not. One of them is making goundless demands. The other is negotiating.

Rogers signed a contract and is still contractualy obligated to play for the washington redskins for [I]TWO more years[/I]... yet he allegedly has demanded a trade. Thats very toolish if you ask me.[/quote]

Unless he never actually made those demands, in which case he's not a tool.

[quote]Hall is whats known as a free agent. H[I]e has no contractual obligations to the washington redskins.[/I] He is not (allegedly) making threats or demands. We got half a seasons worth of play out of him at a bargain price. He, like anyone would, refused to accept a teams first, lowball offer of 12M dollars. Probably a good thing to, because he will get substantially more on the open market. Hall allegedly proposed to stay in washington for 16M garaunteed. Considering what he will get on the open market, that is a substantial hometown discount.[/quote]

And the Redskins have no contractual obligation to Hall. And just like Hall and his agent, they are negotiating. If he can get more than 16M guaranteed on the open market, more power to him though.

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[quote=53Fan;528364]This is where you lose me BHA. I like the points you bring up but then you say things like this. Do you really think N.E. would pay Hall the type of money you propose? This from a team that said no to Assante Samuel? I don't think anyone here opposes having Hall on our team. But to give him a huge contract just doesn't make sense to me. Why not offer him a good 3 year deal? If he doesn't turn out to be the player some think he will be, then we're not stuck with him forever. If he doe's turn out well, then we can either resign him or Tag him for at least 2 years. Or MAYBE even draft his replacement in the meantime. Having a shutdown corner, which Hall is not, does'nt guarantee wins. I give you Champ Bailey. Our secondary was one of our strengths before Hall even got here. If we're going to spend some money let's get Carey and a kicker in here and draft an OLB who can get to the QB. I think these things will go further toward making the playoffs on a consistent basis than giving Hall a big longterm deal.[/quote]

Carey resigned with Miami.

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[quote=Son Of Man;528440][B]Carey resigned with Miami[/B].[/quote]

Ain't that a B*t*h !

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Just some updates for all the D. Hall haters/lovers. LOL.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/02/redskins_continue_pursuit_of_d.html]Redskins Continue Pursuit of DeAngelo Hall - Redskins Insider[/url]

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I just heard on SportsNite the Redskins are trying to get a deal done with Hall before Free Agency starts Friday and are offering a contract with 15 mil guaranteed.

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[quote=53Fan;529001]I just heard on SportsNite the Redskins are trying to get a deal done with Hall before Free Agency starts Friday and are offering a contract with 15 mil guaranteed.[/quote]

I wonder, or highly suspect, whether the FO started to get word Hall will be much more expensive once he reaches the market based on some teams really wanting to address their secondary?

... get er done Vinny.

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[quote=The Goat;529005]I wonder, or highly suspect, whether [B]the FO started to get word Hall will be much more expensive once he reaches the market based on some teams really wanting to address their secondary?[/B]

... get er done Vinny.[/quote]

BigHairedAristocrat spread that rumour so we would hurry up and sign him. :)

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how much is hall going for? how much for dunta? cause if i could pick, dunta is a true starter, hall is overhyped (and very very short).

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[quote=That Guy;529140]how much is hall going for? how much for dunta? cause if i could pick, dunta is a true starter, hall is overhyped (and very very short).[/quote]

Dunta got tagged, so he's out of the question for us (we only have four draft picks people).

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figured, surprised i missed that.

oh well.

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[quote=53Fan;529006]BigHairedAristocrat spread that rumour so we would hurry up and sign him. :)[/quote]

Shhh, dont tell Vinny. I don't want him catching on to my cunning ways... atleast not until i can trick him into into firing himself.

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[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/02/redskins_like_chris_canty.html]Skins Like Canty ... and Other Free-Agent Buzz - Redskins Insider[/url]
[quote]The plan remains largely as it was more than a month ago - to try to re-sign DeAngelo Hall, plug gaps on the offensive and defensive lines with value free agents, and likely re-sign some of their aging veterans on the cheap as insurance (Pete Kendall, maybe Phillip Daniels). [B]Vinny Cerrato, the vice president of football operations, has expressed some frustration to others around the league about the slow progress with Hall, and the gap that exists between the sides, but the Redskins will continue try to sign him until free agency begins at 12:01 Friday[/B][/quote]
I really can't believe that Hall will not sign a reasonable contract. It amazes me, and really makes me want him less. Argue what you will about how he deserves to be paid or that he is a top flight CB. The fact remains in his brief career he has been on 3 teams. If the Skins offered him over $10million guaranteed as reported, I think it is outrageous that he has not signed. (Spare me what Oakland paid, just tack Oakland's 8mill that he "stole" last year to whatever our contract offer was and he would be in the same range) I like his hands, but at this point if he leaves, I for one will not cry a bit.

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If Hall wants to test the market let him. It's certainly his right to do so, I find it hard to blame him for that.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;529771][URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/02/redskins_like_chris_canty.html"]Skins Like Canty ... and Other Free-Agent Buzz - Redskins Insider[/URL]

I really can't believe that Hall will not sign a reasonable contract. It amazes me, and really makes me want him less. Argue what you will about how he deserves to be paid or that he is a top flight CB. The fact remains in his brief career he has been on 3 teams. If the Skins offered him over $10million guaranteed as reported, I think it is outrageous that he has not signed. (Spare me what Oakland paid, just tack Oakland's 8mill that he "stole" last year to whatever our contract offer was and he would be in the same range) I like his hands, but at this point if he leaves, I for one will not cry a bit.[/quote]

Well put. A little self-reflection might be in order, but that ain't his style.

Re: For all you D Hall lovers
 

I guess I can understand Hall wanting to test his value on the market, but if he's going to try to hold us up for a huge contract, send him on his way and let's move on.

Re: For all you D Hall lovers
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;529771][url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/02/redskins_like_chris_canty.html]Skins Like Canty ... and Other Free-Agent Buzz - Redskins Insider[/url]

I really can't believe that Hall will not sign a reasonable contract. It amazes me, and really makes me want him less. Argue what you will about how he deserves to be paid or that he is a top flight CB. The fact remains in his brief career he has been on 3 teams. If the Skins offered him over $10million guaranteed as reported, I think it is outrageous that he has not signed. (Spare me what Oakland paid, just tack Oakland's 8mill that he "stole" last year to whatever our contract offer was and he would be in the same range) I like his hands, but at this point if he leaves, I for one will not cry a bit.[/quote]

Why would he sign a 'reasonable' contract? If you saw some of the salaries of your peers and knew that despite some past indiscretions you knew there was someone out there who would pay you commensurate to what everyone else was getting would you take 15% less to stay with your old employer? Of course not.

Re: For all you D Hall lovers
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;529771][url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/02/redskins_like_chris_canty.html]Skins Like Canty ... and Other Free-Agent Buzz - Redskins Insider[/url]

I really can't believe that Hall will not sign a reasonable contract. It amazes me, and really makes me want him less. Argue what you will about how he deserves to be paid or that he is a top flight CB. The fact remains in his brief career he has been on 3 teams. If the Skins offered him over $10million guaranteed as reported, I think it is outrageous that he has not signed. (Spare me what Oakland paid, just tack Oakland's 8mill that he "stole" last year to whatever our contract offer was and he would be in the same range) I like his hands, but at this point if he leaves, I for one will not cry a bit.[/quote]

I'm really getting frustrated with the Hall situation myself. But blame is going to have to go to FO for once again not having the foresight to see what would happen if Hall was not signed quickly. Now instead of paying him 13-14M, they will probably have to offer him at least 15-18M maybe more.

At this point Hall has the right to test the market without feeling guilty. What bothers me is we benched Rogers to showcase Hall to the entire NFL and now have to fight financially to keep him.

If the Skins thought Hall would feel indebted to them because they "rescued him when nobody else wanted him". They were dead wrong.
Its always about the $,$$$,$$$

Re: For all you D Hall lovers
 

DeAngelo Hall has a relatively new agent, who I also mentioned recently is Andre Smith's agent, and this guy apparently is extremely methodical and kind of raw. But I think SS33 mentioned that he plays ball with the guy and he's pretty nice so I don't think he's trying to hoodwink anyone or be dishonest, just trying to take care of his clients.

Re: For all you D Hall lovers
 

[quote=44ever;529779]I'm really getting frustrated with the Hall situation myself. But blame is going to have to go to FO for once again not having the foresight to see what would happen if Hall was not signed quickly. Now instead of paying him 13-14M, they will probably have to offer him at least 15-18M maybe more.

At this point Hall has the right to test the market without feeling guilty. What bothers me is we benched Rogers to showcase Hall to the entire NFL and now have to fight financially to keep him.

If the Skins thought Hall would feel indebted to them because they "rescued him when nobody else wanted him". They were dead wrong.
Its always about the $,$$$,$$$[/quote]

If I were Hall, I would not have signed a contract before free agency. For Hall is a win-win situation. If he finds something better, he can go to another team. If not, he can come back to the Redskins. I know we're thinking of what's best for the team, but players also have to think about themselves. The teams are not going to care about a player if he gets injured, doesn't play anymore and doesn't see a dime of his salary (just the guaranteed money). Also,the teams are not going to care when they have to cut a player, it's just a financial decision. Why do we (including me) chastise a player for making a financial decision, yet we praise (sometimes) when a team makes the same thing?

That aside, I do feel the Redskins should have tried to sign Hall before free agency, but such is life.