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GTripp if/when this signing becomes finalized I expect a full analysis about how we can adjust our defensive scheme, especially on the d-line, to maximize our gaudy new talent :)

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[quote=The Goat;529611]GTripp if/when this signing becomes finalized I expect a full analysis about how we can adjust our defensive scheme, especially on the d-line, to maximize our gaudy new talent :)[/quote]Well, if you want to wait...I suppose I can hold off ;)

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[quote=vallin21;529600]I am 99.9% sure Haynesworth will be our starting DT in '09I don't think any other team will give out the type of money he's asking for.[/quote]

Not so fast. John Clayton reported earlier today that every team will be in the mix for this guy. There are obviously going to be teams that are more serious about landing him- the Lions, Bucs, and Skins are front runners at this point. The only concern about him would be minor injuries.

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[quote=GTripp0012;529614]Well, if you want to wait...I suppose I can hold off ;)[/quote]

yeah cuz i've got a feeling there could be several possible combinations wrt personnel, even just on the d-line, and who wants to waste a bunch of time hypothesizing about things we're just not sure of... LOL.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;529595]Smoot what do you think.....you think big albert is worth it?[/quote]

I don't know quite honestly. First, I'll just say that am not, nor have ever claimed to be, a cap expert. So let's just put the whole dollars implication aside for a minute and talk about his impact on the field.

The biggest concern I have about Haynesworth is that he rarely, if ever, plays a full season. I know we all like to bash Springs for his fragility but the guy's a warrior compared to Haynesworth. That said, when he is on the field you can't deny his impact. Blache has long (well at least since last year) insisted that we (he) need an impact defensive tackle to make everything else work easier. It helps the pass rushers, it helps the linebackers, it helps the defensive backs. That's kind of common knowledge I suppose. Last year at this time I really thought and hoped that this off-season our biggest free agent move would be Tommie Harris. I'd take him any day of the week.

I think we absolutely need an Albert Haynesworth type player, but not sure if Haynesworth is the answer.

And, of course, we have to step back and see to what extent are they addressing other needs. For me the biggest needs this offseason were youth on the offensive line, linebacker help, youth on the exterior of the defensive line, a dominant presence on the interior to complement Montgomery, and a young, quick running back. Unless Alridge or Dorsey emerges, I'm going to guess we won't be improving much at running back. But I think we can still help our OL and linebacker positions with smart drafting and hoping (some would say hoping against hope) that Rinehart and I guess Devin Clark step up.

End of the day, I would say no to this move if I were to look at this move only. He's so dominating when he wants to be, but for the investment we're expected to make in him he needs to be dominating even when he doesn't want to be.

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BrunellMVP, good post and very good points.

GTripp, excellent point as well. I think it's on the defensive coaching staff to make sure we maximize the potential of AH, and up to a certain point Jason Taylor. Haynesworth will have the opportunity to be at our training camp, learn our system, and hopefully along the way the coaching staff will make sure we use his talents. I think the same goes for JT, we have him now for an entire offseason, so the coaching staff needs to find a way to put his skills to use. How? I don't know, I'm not a defensive coach, however, Blache and his staff need to figure this out.

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[quote=Mattyk72;529589]Man, I don't like this at all. AH is a hell of a DT but I just don't like putting that much $$ in one player. Not when we have plenty of other needs.[/quote]

An agent earlier today was saying that he gets the feeling that this off-season there will be a really wide gap between the have and have-nots. Not in terms of the teams but the players. That it seems like the top players will get boatloads of money invested in them, but the middle of the road guys won't see the same kind of dollars they've seen in years past.

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[quote=Mattyk72;529589]Man, I don't like this at all. AH is a hell of a DT but I just don't like putting that much $$ in one player. Not when we have plenty of other needs.[/quote]

Ditto a million times over. I just saw on PFT that his contract is likely to take up $15 mill in cap space per year... the only way i could be comfortable w/ this signing is if the contract is extremely incentive based but i know damn well Albert wouldn't go for it and our FO won't demand it.

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This will go down as the worst move in not only Redskins history but NFL history. I don't want Haynesworth. Sign Hall, resign Evans, resign M Washington. Keep JT and pay him 8.5, do not trade Rogers, sign Canty. As far as Haynesworth, I Just got a bad feeling about this move if it's true. I don't care how good this guy is. He is not worth the risk or the $$$

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[quote=DirtyLandry;529616]Not so fast. John Clayton reported earlier today that every team will be in the mix for this guy. There are obviously going to be teams that are more serious about landing him- the Lions, Bucs, and Skins are front runners at this point. The only concern about him would be minor injuries.[/quote]

I saw the same thing. This is definitely not a "Done Deal".

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Here's the [URL="http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2009/02/albert_haynesworth_will_be_a_w_1.html"]link[/URL] to the guy in Houston who sounds fairly certain that Haynesworth is a done deal.

Apparently his source here is the same one who provided him with advanced knowledge of Scott Pioli going to K.C.

He writes for the Houston Chronicle -- guess that means he's not just a 'tard with a blog.

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[quote=Beemnseven;529651]Here's the [URL="http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2009/02/albert_haynesworth_will_be_a_w_1.html"]link[/URL] to the guy in Houston who sounds fairly certain that Haynesworth is a done deal.

Apparently his source here is the same one who provided him with advanced knowledge of Scott Pioli going to K.C.

He writes for the Houston Chronicle -- guess that means he's not just a 'tard with a blog.[/quote]

I hope he's way wrong, 15/16mil a year. That's ****ing stupid!!

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[quote=44ever;529637][B]This will go down as the worst move in not only Redskins history but NFL history.[/B] I don't want Haynesworth. Sign Hall, resign Evans, resign M Washington. Keep JT and pay him 8.5, do not trade Rogers, sign Canty. As far as Haynesworth, I Just got a bad feeling about this move if it's true. I don't care how good this guy is. He is not worth the risk or the $$$[/quote]

I think you're being overly dramatic my friend.

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im really on the fence about this one. Of course you have the question marks about big albert's character, health issues, and that he is 27 about to be 28. But then i think when i see this guy on sundays he makes bodies drop, the guy is the best in the league at what he does and can make our 4th ranked defense ALOT better (picks, and sacks all day). I really dont know if I am in favor of this or not.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;529656]im really on the fence about this one. Of course you have the question marks about big albert's character, health issues, and that he is 27 about to be 28. But then i think when i see this guy on sundays he makes bodies drop, the guy is the best in the league at what he does and can make our 4th ranked defense ALOT better (picks, and sacks all day). I really dont know if I am in favor of this or not.[/quote]

Id say make the move if we were on the verge of a Superbowl run, since we have so many holes to fill i say pass.

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Well, hopefull we'll get this out of him...

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzi9P0qYN4U]YouTube - Albert Haynesworth Tribute[/url]

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[quote=Beemnseven;529651]Here's the [URL="http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2009/02/albert_haynesworth_will_be_a_w_1.html"]link[/URL] to the guy in Houston who sounds fairly certain that Haynesworth is a done deal.

Apparently his source here is the same one who provided him with advanced knowledge of Scott Pioli going to K.C.

He writes for the Houston Chronicle -- guess that means he's not just a 'tard with a blog.[/quote]

I dont know who Lance's source is,but his dad is the off line coach for the steelers,[url=http://news.steelers.com/team/coach/49256/]Official site of the Pittsburgh Steelers - Coaches[/url] so he might have some pretty good sources,but I hope hes wrong on this one,thats just too much damn money

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The logic to go after Haynesworth is actually way more solid than anyone else in the free agent market -- but it also flies directly in the face of the build through the draft face we've been holding for the past year, so maybe we're just reverting back to an inevitable form.

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[quote=Ruhskins;529660]Well, hopefull we'll get this out of him...

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzi9P0qYN4U]YouTube - Albert Haynesworth Tribute[/url][/quote]

Our luck with Free Agents though is that we will probaly get this:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5nlEA8BUTQ&feature=related]YouTube - Albert Haynesworth stomps Andre Gurode[/ame]

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[quote=WaldSkins;529664]Our luck with Free Agents though is that we will probaly get this:
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5nlEA8BUTQ&feature=related]YouTube - Albert Haynesworth stomps Andre Gurode[/url][/quote]

He's stomping on a Cowboy, so? LOL.

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Generally speaking, I don't like the idea either -- let's find our own Albert Haynesworth who's hungry and eager to prove himself, then let someone else shell out a hundred million for him five years down the road when we've gotten the best out of his playing days.

[I]Then again[/I] ... there might be small shred of hope with this deal. If we have a #4 ranked defense with absolutely zero pressure on the quarterback, and we can keep our secondary intact, then theoretically Haynesworth could take our D to a level that we haven't seen in years. And you can basically forget about any linebacker problem. A guy like this paired with young, fresh upstarts like Montegomery and Golston make average linebackers look a whole lot better. That's the thing about a great D-line -- it can turn ho-hum linebackers into Pro Bowlers.

The one thing you shudder to think about though, is another Dana Stubblefield-type situation.

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[quote=Ruhskins;529660]Well, hopefull we'll get this out of him...

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzi9P0qYN4U]YouTube - Albert Haynesworth Tribute[/url][/quote]

lol yeah the dude just destroys people...what do you say should are you in favor of big albert a skins uni or not?

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;529667]lol yeah the dude just destroys people...[B]what do you say should are you in favor of big albert a skins uni or not?[/quote]
[/B]

What?

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Let's not forget the Lions HC is Swartz, the former DC in Tennesee. They're showing a lot of interest and are expected to be a player in this.

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[quote=53Fan;529669]Let's not forget the Lions HC is Swartz, the former DC in Tennesee. They're showing a lot of interest and are expected to be a player in this.[/quote]

Nobody outbids Lil' Danny.

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They were showing clips of Haynesworth on ESPN today getting triple teamed and still wreaking havoc. 3 F'ing guys.

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whos in favor of getting big albert no matter if the cost in 100 mill or near that?

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From what I've heard, and these are distant sources, Haynesworth and Schwartz aren't that tight

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;529667]lol yeah the dude just destroys people...what do you say should are you in favor of big albert a skins uni or not?[/quote]

As much as I would like to be positive about everything, the possible cost of Haynesworth is a bit concerning. The teams has needs in the offensive side of the ball, and as we've seen with both the Titans and the Ravens, you can't win just with an elite defense. My hope is that the team focuses on the offensive line with the draft. I don't know if this means taking a stud o-lineman at 13 (if available) or trading down and get a good o-lineman in the lower first round.

I have said in the past though that I think we need better plays of the middle of the defensive line. AH can become that disruptive force that breaks up the opponents passing and rushing game. He can be the force in the middle that can push the offensive line and either get to the QB or allow the DEs to get the sacks. And hopefully a stronger d-line can lead to more turnover, either through fumbles or INTs.

I hope that once the whole fanfare with AH is over (if it happens), that the FO focuses on the offensive line. As I said, our first rounder should be an o-lineman; heck I wouldn't complain if all of our draft picks (all 4 of them) are offensive lineman.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;529676]whos in favor of getting big albert no matter if the cost in 100 mill or near that?[/quote]

From what I gather 90% of the posters are against it.
I can't see an approval poll being created until after the deal is done.
Personally I'm all for it.

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haynesworth will be 27 when he starts his 8th nfl season this year. he's been double teamed most of his career and that sort of beating takes its toll. investing in a 27 year old defensive tackle is like investing in a 30 year old running back or 34 year old quarterback. you may have a good year or two but you don't want to make a long term commitment to him.

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My thinking is, if this goes through, the defense automatically gets better and the FO figures we can sign somebody like Crowell as a FA or just draft an OLB since they feel this is a deep draft for LB's and draft some o-lineman with the idea that until they're ready, Heyer, Rinehart, and/or Clark can step up this year. With everything going on it's hard to tell what they're thinking which is probably alright with them. With AH's full 15 mil? not going toward the cap this year we could probably still sign Hall or another DB. If there is no cap next year I'm not sure it matters how much we spend as long as we get by this year. Who knows?

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[quote=Ruhskins;529678]The teams has needs in the offensive side of the ball, and as we've seen with both the Titans and the Ravens, you can't win just with an elite defense.[/quote]

Steelers?

Of course Jason isn't Big Ben, but our O lines were comparable.

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[quote=DirtyLandry;529679]From what I gather 90% of the posters are against it.
I can't see an approval poll being created until after the deal is done.
Personally I'm all for it.[/quote]

[B]I would love to see a Warpath poll made for Haynesworth: (Break the bank for Haynesworth yes or no)[/B]

I would be interested in knowing how many of us have the shortest memories and how many have finally learned their lesson about this sort of thing. Obviously DirtyLandry is all for Haynesworth but he's been wrong before;)

This guy has never played a entire season and the games he does play he's on and off the field. He had his best season in 08 of course.

This guy puts on B&G and BIG$$$ in his bank account, he's done. Do you really think this he will continue to sacrifice himself? Do I believe he will be the same Haynesworth he was in 08 I highly doubt it.

I won't go as far as sayin Haynesworth is the modern day Stubblefield/Wilkinson/B.Smith/Trotter But...

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[quote=Ruhskins;529665]He's stomping on a Cowboy, so? LOL.[/quote]

Uh huh! I changed my mind I want him....:laughing2

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[quote=44ever;529688][B]I would love to see a Warpath poll made for Haynesworth: (Break the bank for Haynesworth yes or no)[/B]

[QUOTE]I would be interested in knowing how many of us have the shortest memories and how many have finally learned their lesson about this sort of thing. Obviously DirtyLandry is all for Haynesworth but he's been wrong before;)[/quote]
Thank you, my friend.

[quote]This guy has never played a entire season and the games he does play he's on and off the field. He had his best season in 08 of course.[/quote]
Actually, he played in every game his rookie year. Because he was a rookie, he didnt start every game.

[quote]This guy puts on B&G and BIG$$$ in his bank account, he's done. Do you really think this guy will continue to sacrifice himself?[/quote]
Theres that question with most players that sign a huge deal. At this point it's all speculation and If's and but's...

[quote]I won't go as far as sayin Haynesworth is the modern day Stubblefield/Wilkinson/B.Smith/Trotter But...[/quote]
Not even close. In fact I've heard comparisons on ESPN that this #92 could be the most dominant D lineman since an old #92 played in Greenbay. I'm just sayin.

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Haven't we heard similar buzz on high profile FAs before: Lance Briggs and Ocho Stinko? I'm hoping this pans out the same, a lot of noise, no action and Haynesworth stays in TN. These agents all play the "Snyder will pay my guy" card to leverage their current team.

If the info I saw was correct, TN offered 4yr/36M/20-25M guaranteed, approx 9M/yr. In a link from Paul Kuharsky at ESPN: [URL="http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation/0-5-121/The-case-for-paying-Haynesworth--ASAP.html"]The case for paying Haynesworth ASAP - NFL Nation - ESPN[/URL]: He suggests a 5-7 percent increase on Jared Allen's contract 6yr/77M approx $ 12.8M / yr. and then mentions it's likely Haynesworth won't accept that. Now we're seeing numbers (rumors) that we're offering $ 100M / 35M guaranteed / approx. 15+M per year

At the TN level Haynesworth is 7.3% of the cap, release JT and we're there, I can live with that. At the increase on JA's contract we're at 10.4% of the salary cap, with the negatives that come along with Haynesworth I can't see putting 10% of our cap on one guy unless he's a franchise QB (Brady, Manning level), Randy Moss in his prime, LT in his prime, Reggie White in his prime. But definitely not on Haynesworth whose scouting report hasn't changed since his rookie report:

[FONT=MS Reference Sans Serif][B][I]Positives:[/I][/B] Massive frame and size and a great body. Tremendous athlete for his size. Has a great upside if he will pay the price. Very quick off the ball and explosive when he plays at a good pad level. Can be overpowering and dominating inside. No one man can block him when he is motivated and uses good technique. Played much harder in '01 than he ever had before. [/FONT]
[FONT=MS Reference Sans Serif][COLOR=#000000][B][I]Negatives:[/I][/B] Immature and needs to be pushed at times. Can't be relied upon. Is not a hard worker or self-starter. Takes too many downs off. Will get too upright and lean on the offensive linemen when he gets tired at times. Does not play nasty very often.[/COLOR] [/FONT]
[FONT=MS Reference Sans Serif][COLOR=#000000][B][I]Summary:[/I][/B] [B]The type of player who could make your draft or break your heart.[/B] Could be the best defensive tackle in the draft and the best defensive lineman from Tennessee since Reggie White if he stays focused and works hard.[/COLOR][/FONT]

Also, for whatever reason, injury/suspension, not counting his rookie year, he's missed 23% of his games. He is also in a rotation (see below) again from Paul Kuharsky at ESPN (who is in favor of TN resigning AH at the $77M level)

[I]"He gets dinged and you're probably not going to get 16 games out of him."[/I]
Probably not. But with certain players even 13 games is worth it, and he's one of them. [B]The fact is he's not the durable, every-play guy[/B]. The Titans rotate their linemen and know how to get the most out of him when they have him. [B]He's going to need a trainer's assistance on the field at least once a game.[/B] It's part of the package. Name all the teams that wouldn't be willing to live with it in exchange for the payoff when he's out there.

I'm not paying $ 80M + for a guy that isn't a "durable, every-play" guy. I'm hoping and praying this is just an agent using the Skins for leverage again and Smootsmack is wrong. Unfortunately (in this case), Smootsmack is right a lot more often than he's wrong.

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Im not sayin he's not a great player, he is. I just think we can spend more wisely. But if he's signed so be it. I'll still watch.

Hey DirtyLandry, How long have you been watching/fan of the Skins? If you don't mind.

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[quote=DirtyLandry;529696]


Not even close. In fact I've heard comparisons on ESPN that this #92 could be the most dominant D lineman since an old #92 played in Greenbay. I'm just sayin.[/quote]

It was also said that if he played DE exclusively he would be the best DE in the NFL. If he had Reggie Whites heart I don't think there would be any doubts. But hey, I don't know the man. He is definitely a force to be reckoned with.

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I would love to see #92 in burgandy and gold but not w/ a 100 mil contract with 40mil at signing. We should focus on our bigger needs. Cant wait to see how it unfolds.

Adam Schefter
Agent: No deal between Haynesworth, Redskins
Posted: February 24th, 2009 | Adam Schefter | Tags: Albert Haynesworth, Washington Redskins

After receiving more than 30 telephone calls and e-mails Tuesday from members of the Washington media regarding a potential deal between his client and the Redskins, Albert Haynesworth’s agent, Chad Speck, felt the need to publicly address the situation.

“Albert is not allowed to have a deal with another team, and he doesn’t have a deal with another team,” Speck e-mailed Tuesday night. “We continue to keep the lines of communication open with Tennessee. The rumors suggesting that a deal is in place between Albert and the Washington Redskins are completely false.”

What is true is that the Redskins are one of a handful of teams that will have interest in Haynesworth. But for whoever signs him, it isn’t going to cheap. Haynesworth widely is expected to become the highest-paid defensive player in NFL history, with a deal that will defy today’s economic hardships and send tremors around the league. The deal could wind up including a signing bonus in the vicinity of $40 million dollars. Washington will have interest. But so will Detroit, Tampa Bay, Tennessee and others.

And the big question as free agency opens Friday will be what is Haynes-worth?