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[quote=44Deezel;566311]Sacks and pass protection aren't always directly related. Warner is known for punishing the blitz with quick and accurate strikes, so teams think twice about being overly aggressive with him. JC, on the other hand, hasn't shown the ability to consistently keep defenses honest with his quick decision making, so teams come after him with everything they have, which can skew the sack numbers and make the O-line look bad.

Yes, the O-line could have played better, the receivers don't scare anyone and the offensive coaching could just be lousy for all that we know. But if the QB hangs onto the ball too long and needs receivers to be wide open before he's willing to get rid of the ball, then he's part of the reason he keeps getting knocked on his ass. JC doesn't deserve all of the blame, but he's not entirely blameless either.[/quote]

Finally a voice of reason

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[quote=44Deezel;566311]Sacks and pass protection aren't always directly related. Warner is known for punishing the blitz with quick and accurate strikes, so teams think twice about being overly aggressive with him. JC, on the other hand, hasn't shown the ability to consistently keep defenses honest with his quick decision making, so teams come after him with everything they have, which can skew the sack numbers and make the O-line look bad.

Yes, the O-line could have played better, the receivers don't scare anyone and the offensive coaching could just be lousy for all that we know. But if the QB hangs onto the ball too long and needs receivers to be wide open before he's willing to get rid of the ball, then he's part of the reason he keeps getting knocked on his ass. JC doesn't deserve all of the blame, but he's not entirely blameless either.[/quote]

Good analysis.

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[quote=Lotus;566313]Dude, you just can't admit when you are wrong, can you?[/quote]

how am i wrong, the man shows video proof and then shows JC's stats where he is near the bottom of the league in each?? are you that blind?

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;566312]Don't be so sure. [B]I think the FO would love to see Colt beat out Collins[/B][/quote]

You are correct. Then question is, can he? If Colt can't, there is no reason to release Collins just yet.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566310]Exactly you guys are argueing with a video. i guess it was all fixed. computer generated and all..the man should be fired[/quote]

No, we are arguing with your delusional self who keeps bringing up this video like it is the NFL bible.

[quote=DBUCHANON101;566315]Finally a voice of reason[/quote]

An argument with facts that points out both negative and positive aspects of a player, yep that's what a reasonable argument looks like.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566317]how am i wrong, the man shows video proof and then shows JC's stats where he is near the bottom of the league in each?? are you that blind?[/quote]

Dude, once again this is a simple point...in that video Wilcots demonstrates an OPINION, not PROOF.

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I heart this thread.

[quote=44Deezel;566279]One thing I'll say about Flacco is that he isn't afraid to throw to receivers when they're "covered" (and he seems to go downfield on every pass play). There has been a lot of criticism that the skins receivers can't get open, but open is a relative term in the NFL. A few times every game, you'll see receivers who are blanketed, sometimes by 2 defenders, make spectacular catches. I recall one bomb Flacco threw to Clayton in the playoffs, I believe against Tennessee, where the 2 defenders ran into each other and fell down right as the ball got there. Clayton caught it and walked in for the score. I remember saying to myself, Campbell would have never thrown that ball".[/quote]I know you weren't aware of this, but multiple places that chart plays around the internet have commented that Flacco and the Ravens led the league, by far, in max protect schemes. 2 receivers per route. Basically, Flacco would be worthless if he can't complete passes into coverage because there are at least 5 guys out there to cover those 2 players. Flacco is not useless, but this is also not a particularly productive offense, and it's got little upside in the near-term future.

Basically, the offense is set up for Flacco to throw that pass. Maybe we should have hired Cam Cameron to be our head coach instead. Then we'd throw downfield more often.

[quote=44Deezel;566279]Now, you can't always get away with those passes, but good NFL QBs make a few completions like that every game. And I don't want to hear about pass protection. Yes, the pass protection was poor at times, but it wasn't as if he never, ever got time to pass. And if the Skins were smart, they would use all of their running backs like the Ravens, Giants, Falcons, Titans, Dolphins and seemingly every other team in the NFL does these days with a few exceptions. It's nice that Portis was 4th in the NFL in yardage, but some of that has to do with the fact that there are only 10 or so feature backs left.[/quote]Campbell makes those completions too. This is a fact. If we're talking with the frequency we go down field...well, that's a different argument. Sounds like your beef with the quarterback is misplaced. Sounds like you think you could call an offense better than Jim Zorn. Maybe that's true, I don't think you're going to get the oppertunity though.

As for using the running backs, I agree with you, but give it another season. We had about 6 "lost" games from an offensive ingenuity perspective, which limits our ability to judge Zorn's ability to be creative and make the best calls.

[quote=44Deezel;566279]All that said, Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl with the Ravens, so I guess it's possible JC could have as well. But does anyone consider Trent Dilfer a good QB? I don't think too many JC "haters" would argue that he's pretty good when everything else around him is perfect, but perfect conditions are the exception, not the rule in the NFL. I think some of us would like to see him display the ability to make things happen when conditions are less than ideal. Hopefully, he will do so this year.[/quote]No one considers Trent Dilfer a good QB, but no one really doubts that Campbell is better than Dilfer. I mean, Campbell could flame out this year and get benched...and he'd still be ahead of Dilfer at said point in his career.

Expecting a perfect offensive environment would be as much of a fallacy as trying to cruify his performance under the relative circumstances of the last 5 games of last season. Let's make a pact to do neither. Campbell's not getting a perfect offensive environment with the Washington Redskins. But if he can't get something better than the end of last season, then it's pretty irrelivant who is behind the center, we're not going to score points.

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[quote=Lotus;566320]Dude, once again this is a simple point...in that video Wilcots demonstrates an OPINION, not PROOF.[/quote]


Words are an opinion.. video is proof. youre like those guys who get caught on tape cheating and say baby it wasnt me.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566305]everyone has an opinion. but when you can back it up with video proof.. makes it a little hard to argue.[/quote]

Jason Campbell is so good he can do things others can only dream of. The video proves it

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But in all seriousness. JoeRedskin what time is it?

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566315]Finally a voice of reason[/quote]

True, but it's not like others haven't been saying that as well

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566322]Words are an opinion.. video is proof. youre like those guys who get caught on tape cheating and say baby it wasnt me.[/quote]

Psst, in case you didn't know...

Opinion: a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566322]Words are an opinion.. video is proof. youre like those guys who get caught on tape cheating and say baby it wasnt me.[/quote]

Dude, someone has failed to teach you how to think critically.

An OPINION, whether represented in a video, in a book, or tattoed on your grandma's ass, is still just an OPINION.

I'll let your cheap shot against me slide because such are the tools of those who know deep inside that they have no argument.

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WOW a man that can do all of that,yet he underthrows Moss in the dallas game for a walk in td

Re: Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason
 

[quote=Lotus;566328]Dude, someone has failed to teach you how to think critically.

An OPINION, whether represented in a video, in a book, or tattoed on your grandma's ass, is still just an OPINION.

I'll let your cheap shot against me slide because such are the tools of those who know deep inside that they have no argument.[/quote]

DAMN! :spank:

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My man Chase Daniel is God's gift to the QB position...the video proves it

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Re: Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason
 

[quote=DBUCHANON101;566317]how am i wrong, the man shows video proof and then shows JC's stats where he is near the bottom of the league in each?? are you that blind?[/quote]I change my opinion. You have no idea what you are doing.

I do think you brought up some good points, but it's really, really sad that you are more interested in using whatever negativity you can get your hands on rather than use the evidence to try to lead yourself to the proper conclusion.

Some people would let the evidence point him to a well supported opinion. Others just have an opinion, and THEN try to find evidence to justify it.

It's because of the latter that you've wasted so much time on your thread. You have shown the ability to write coherent posts that provide evidence that Campbell might not be getting it done, [B]but you've resorted to responding to everything that has been written positive about Campbell, whether or not you can explain it.[/B]

That just makes you a bullshitter.

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[quote=SmootSmack;566331]My man Chase Daniel is God's gift to the QB position...the video proves it

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If Chase makes the roster, you're getting full credit for starting the Cult of Chase. Or "Chase's Chasers," or whatever you want to call it. :)

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[quote=GTripp0012;566332]I change my opinion. You have no idea what you are doing.

I do think you brought up some good points, but it's really, really sad that you are more interested in using whatever negativity you can get your hands on rather than use the evidence to try to lead yourself to the proper conclusion.

Some people would let the evidence point him to a well supported opinion. Others just have an opinion, and THEN try to find evidence to justify it.

It's because of the latter that you've wasted so much time on your thread. You have shown the ability to write coherent posts that provide evidence that Campbell might not be getting it done, [B]but you've resorted to responding to everything that has been written positive about Campbell, whether or not you can explain it.[/B]

[B]That just makes you a bullshitter[/B].[/quote]

Word.

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so i guess the next time a guy gets caught on tape robbin a store he can look at the judge and say thats your OPINION that i committed this crime you have NO PROOF

good night guys. hope you didnt spend much for those JC jerseys. they will be worth as much as my Champ jersey next yr

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566337]so i guess the next time a guy gets caught on tape robbin a store he can look at the judge and say thats your OPINION that i committed this crime you have NO PROOF

good night guys. hope you didnt spend much for those JC jerseys. they will be worth as much as my Champ jersey next yr[/quote]And with that, instant replay's biggest fanboy is over and out.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566337]so i guess the next time a guy gets caught on tape robbin a store he can look at the judge and say thats your OPINION that i committed this crime you have NO PROOF

good night guys. hope you didnt spend much for those JC jerseys. they will be worth as much as my Champ jersey next yr[/quote]

:doh:

[quote=GTripp0012;566339]And with that, instant replay's biggest fanboy is over and out.[/quote]

Maybe he's Solomon Wilcots...or related to him.

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I saw a video today where Ahmadinejad of Iran called us "The Great Satan."

We must really be the Great Satan since video is proof.

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[quote=44Deezel;566311]Sacks and pass protection aren't always directly related. Warner is known for punishing the blitz with quick and accurate strikes, so teams think twice about being overly aggressive with him. JC, on the other hand, hasn't shown the ability to consistently keep defenses honest with his quick decision making, so teams come after him with everything they have, which can skew the sack numbers and make the O-line look bad.

Yes, the O-line could have played better, the receivers don't scare anyone and the offensive coaching could just be lousy for all that we know. But if the QB hangs onto the ball too long and needs receivers to be wide open before he's willing to get rid of the ball, then he's part of the reason he keeps getting knocked on his ass. JC doesn't deserve all of the blame, but he's not entirely blameless either.[/quote]Good post, 44, though I wouldn't say our sack numbers have been skewed at all. Some of that's on Campbell (you pointed this out), and a lot of it's on his protection (which includes missed blocks by Yoder and Portis and all the plays where Rabach had the wrong sort on).

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[quote=GTripp0012;566339]And with that, instant replay's biggest fanboy is over and out.[/quote]

:laughing2 It's been interesting. I've never seen such a blatant display of "screw the facts, my opinion is RIGHT!" By the way, was any of redskinsgirl's questions ever answered? Intelligently I mean.

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[quote=53Fan;566344]:laughing2 It's been interesting. I've never seen such a blatant display of "screw the facts, my opinion is RIGHT!" By the way, was any of redskinsgirl's questions ever answered? Intelligently I mean.[/quote]Nope. I need her number though.

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[quote=GMScud;566334]If Chase makes the roster, you're getting full credit for starting the Cult of Chase. Or "Chase's Chasers," or whatever you want to call it. :)[/quote]

What do you mean "if" Did you not see the undeniable proof in the video?

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[quote=53Fan;566344]:laughing2 It's been interesting. I've never seen such a blatant display of "screw the facts, my opinion is RIGHT!" By the way, was any of redskinsgirl's questions ever answered? Intelligently I mean.[/quote]

No, her questions were not answered but she did a great job.

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[quote=Lotus;566347]No, her questions were not answered but she did a great job.[/quote]She knew her questions weren't directed at anyone capable of an answer. It was beautiful.

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This thread is kinda lame without Buchanon and Nick

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[quote=Lotus;566347]No, her questions were not answered but she did a great job.[/quote]

I don't think anyone's questions were answered. Talk about being a fanatic.

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[quote=SmootSmack;566349]This thread is kinda lame without Buchanon and Nick[/quote]

I hope these dudes don't live anywhere near Jason Campbell. I'd fear for his safety.

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[quote=SmootSmack;566349]This thread is kinda lame without Buchanon and Nick[/quote]

:laughing- I guess the parties over. It was fun while it lasted.

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[quote=SmootSmack;566349]This thread is kinda lame without Buchanon and Nick[/quote]Wait I got this:

We shouldn't have let Ramsey go. It was typical shortsightedness on the part of the front office.

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[quote=Lotus;566342]I saw a video today where Ahmadinejad of Iran called us "The Great Satan."

We must really be the Great Satan since video is proof.[/quote]

Dude,Really?? A man sayin somethin on tv is nowhere near the same as game clips of your wonderboy checkindown on 3rd downs when we needed a play to sustain a drive :doh:

It was words so that was his OPINION. i hope you guys arent lawyers.

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[quote=GTripp0012;566353]Wait I got this:

[B]We shouldn't have let Ramsey go.[/B] It was typical shortsightedness on the part of the front office.[/quote]

We're still paying for it till this day. Dammit! Check the video, someone said he was good!

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566354]Dude,Really?? A man sayin somethin on tv is nowhere near the same as game clips of your wonderboy checkindown on 3rd downs when we needed a play to sustain a drive :doh:

It was words so that was his OPINION. i hope you guys arent lawyers.[/quote]

Aaannndddd we're back!

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566354]Dude,Really?? A man sayin somethin on tv is nowhere near the same as game clips of your wonderboy checkindown on 3rd downs when we needed a play to sustain a drive :doh:

It was words so that was his OPINION. [B]i hope you guys arent lawyers.[/B][/quote]

I f'ing definitely hope you're not one.

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It's all in the video!!! :soapbox:

[quote=DBUCHANON101;566299]who.[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d81069cc4/Can-Campbell-get-it-done]NFL Videos: Can Campbell get it done?[/url]

here it is AGAIN..[/quote]

LOL. :laughing2

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566354]Dude,Really?? A man sayin somethin on tv is nowhere near the same as game clips of your wonderboy checkindown on 3rd downs when we needed a play to sustain a drive :doh:

It was words so that was his OPINION. i hope you guys arent lawyers.[/quote]Here's a rule of thumb:

If you can count on one hand the number of video evidences that a commentator uses to support a trend, you HAVE to be skeptical of the validity of the trend. Have to.

Because it's insufficient proof, you are essentially saying "I'm deferring to Wilcots on this one" That's fine. That's an argument. It's not a very strong argument, and you aren't going to be able to convince anyone else that what they are seeing is wrong, but it's something.

Which is why compared to irish and nflnick, you are the anti-Campbell MVP of this thread (44Deezel got disqualified for typing coherently). Don't let it go to your head. Calvin Johnson was MVP of the Lions this year.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566354]Dude,Really?? [B]A man sayin somethin on tv[/B] is nowhere near the same as game clips of your wonderboy checkindown on 3rd downs when we needed a play to sustain a drive :doh:

It was words so that was his OPINION. i hope you guys arent lawyers.[/quote]

And, in your clip, Wilcots was what? Oh yeah, he was "a man saying something on tv"!