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[quote=Paintrain;571946]If you are on the fringe of FG range and throw a pick by 'going for the endzone' that's a recipe for getting a coach fired.[/quote]

Wow you read my mind. If the Redskins get to the 35 yard line and all you need is 3 points to win or tie you would not go to the endzone. Defense would sit back and let you catch it underneath but would defend the endzone. If a QB forces it in the endzone it may get picked off. The goal of the 2min drill was to get into FG range or score depending on how much time was on the clock.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;571910]He had a tough 2 min drill today. One ran out of time and the other he threw a int. And in the QB drills he was knocked down by a barrage of pads. Its still early, we will see how it goes come preseason. Hopefully our defense is JUST THAT GOOD.[/quote]

They always say that the back up QB's are a fan favorite until they get thrown into the fire. Then they the fans have a reality check that he was a back up for a good reason. Colt B. great College career doesn't always mean a great NFL career.

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[quote=itvnetop;571985]Nice one... funny thing is- Lattimer lives in my apartment complex![/quote]

I'd be completely star stuck if I saw Lattimer in person. He's probably the best fictional football character next to Johnny B. Good.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/03/haynesworths-knee-still-bothering-him/]Haynesworth's knee still bothering him? | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]


Per the Associated Press, Haynesworth received an injection on Sunday to cushion a knee that he sprained late in the 2008 season. He did not particpate in the second practice of the day.

Coach Jim Zorn reportedly described the procedure as "normal."

What isn't entirely "normal" is that Zorn's comments regarding Haynesworth were omitted from the collection of quotes from Zorn that was distributed by the team on Sunday.

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[quote=mlmpetert;572041][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/03/haynesworths-knee-still-bothering-him/]Haynesworth's knee still bothering him? | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]


Per the Associated Press, Haynesworth received an injection on Sunday to cushion a knee that he sprained late in the 2008 season. He did not particpate in the second practice of the day.

Coach Jim Zorn reportedly described the procedure as "normal."

What isn't entirely "normal" is that Zorn's comments regarding Haynesworth were omitted from the collection of quotes from Zorn that was distributed by the team on Sunday.[/quote]

I do know that Zorn said after the first day that AH was only planned to practice once a day for TC. I doubt this is anything to worry about.

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PFT digging for trouble as always.

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[quote=mlmpetert;572041][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/03/haynesworths-knee-still-bothering-him/]Haynesworth's knee still bothering him? | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]


[B]Per the Associated Press[/B], Haynesworth received an injection on Sunday to cushion a knee that he sprained late in the 2008 season. He did not particpate in the second practice of the day.

Coach Jim Zorn reportedly described the procedure as "normal."

What isn't entirely "normal" is that Zorn's comments regarding Haynesworth were omitted from the collection of quotes from Zorn that was distributed by the team on Sunday.[/quote]

"Per Mike Florio's hatred of the Redskins..."

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On a separate note, Terl's Blog had a decent article on Hunter Smith. It focused on him as the holder for our kicker. I wanted Smith, but didn't think about that side benefit. Sounds like he is a professional
[quote]So what makes a hold "clutch" or "accurate"? Smith seemed happy to be asked. "A good hold makes as smooth of a transition for the kicker as possible. I catch the ball, get it down quickly with the laces out and it's a matter of, wherever the snap is, I give him the same product every time and that only comes from just work."[/quote]

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[quote=tryfuhl;571991]So this means the Orakpo was drilling from DE?[/quote]


He may have lined up at other spots as well but he was definitely at RE on some plays. (It's hard to watch everything from ground level 40 yards away with Christie Cooley 10 feet in front of you with friends to boot). At one point against shotgun by the offense, the front four from L to R was Carter Daniels Haynesworth Orakpo. You may recall that Daniels played tackle some on 3rd down situations 2 seasons ago and appparently Blache is at least considering doing that again. He certainly isn't too small for it. He's still the biggest guy out there. Maybe Heyer, Dockery and Williams are in his zip code, but Daniels is just humongous.

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70-what about Marcus Mason? Anything on him?

I hear Chase had another up and down day.

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[quote=mlmpetert;572041][URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/03/haynesworths-knee-still-bothering-him/"]Haynesworth's knee still bothering him? | ProFootballTalk.com[/URL]


Per the Associated Press, Haynesworth received an injection on Sunday to cushion a knee that he sprained late in the 2008 season. He did not particpate in the second practice of the day.

Coach Jim Zorn reportedly described the procedure as "normal."

What isn't entirely "normal" is that Zorn's comments regarding Haynesworth were omitted from the collection of quotes from Zorn that was distributed by the team on Sunday.[/quote]

an update:

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/haynesworth-not-worried-about.html]Redskins Insider - Haynesworth Not Worried About His Knee[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;572188]70-what about Marcus Mason? Anything on him?

I hear Chase had another up and down day.[/quote]

Mason looked okay I guess on Saturday. I haven't been back since then. The running game is very diificult to evaluate because they don't really finish the play. You have to sort of speculate as to what the gain might have been. Betts still looks the best catching the ball out of the backfield. He's got a great knack for dancing along the sidelines.

The situation with the QBs is hard to evaluate as well. I mean, If you're Chase, are you going to check down or are you going to say "What the hell?" and chuck it deep more times than not? Ditto PJ. They have nothing to lose or very little anyways. The fans see them hurling it long and say, "that's the kind of QB we need etc. etc." The thing that worries me is that I'm not sure Campbell has the ability to anticipate the movement of people on the field well enough to know where to go with the ball. This is the classic QB failing, IMO. As a result, he waits until he sees it with his own two eyes, which is often too late. Collins can anticipate better, but can't get the ball there if it's more than twenty yards away. If we coulk throw those two in a blender and make one QB smoothie we might have something. Throw in a little vodka never hurts.

But as I said before, perhaps JC was simple off on Saturday.

To answer your question more directly, he still lokks like the Marcus Mason that has impressed us these past few pre-seasons. He could play in this league, IMO. The fact that he's back here is one of the bigger surprises to me. I figured he would definitely catch on with the next team he was with, didn't you?

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I hear Rhinehart is doing pretty good. opened up some good holes in the running game today.

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According to the Post, the defense is tearing apart the O-Line. That's going to make Zorn lose his job, and it's not his fault.

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[quote=JLee9718;572213]According to the Post, the defense is tearing apart the O-Line. That's going to make Zorn lose his job, and it's not his fault.[/quote]

How many days are we into training camp again?

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[quote=JLee9718;572213]According to the Post, the defense is tearing apart the O-Line. That's going to make Zorn lose his job, and it's not his fault.[/quote]

What did you expect? we went out and got 1 of the best DT's in the league and we got the best passrusher in the draft IMO.plus Daniels is back and playing well. We didnt invest much in the Oline so ofcourse they are behind.

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[quote=wilsowilso;572214]How many days are we into training camp again?[/quote]

Season is over haven't you heard?

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[quote=Mattyk72;572217]Season is over haven't you heard?[/quote]

Dang, i didnt know. do you think DTV will give my money back for the NFL Sunday Ticket?

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;572219]Dang, i didnt know. do you think DTV will give my money back for the NFL Sunday Ticket?[/quote]

Skins fans get charged double

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LOL i believe it.

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Roydell Williams had surgery on his broken left pinkie today and won't play for some time. Looks like he's the first guy to drop in the #5 WR competition.

Phat Al is not doing anything different, health-wise, than he was doing with the Titans. There seems no reason for worry about his knee, practice time, etc.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-redskins-haynesworth&prov=ap&type=lgns]Redskins DT Haynesworth's knee problem not serious - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[quote=JLee9718;572213]According to the Post, the defense is tearing apart the O-Line. That's going to make Zorn lose his job, and it's not his fault.[/quote]Does anyone think that maybe the front office has TOO MUCH faith in Joe Bugel's coaching abilities? I sometimes feel like Snyder might think that because of what Buges did back in the day he still turn any half decent player into a Hog, and that is part of the reason that they (the FO) haven't put more into stacking the O-line with stronger/younger talent.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;572208]I hear Rhinehart is doing pretty good. opened up some good holes in the running game today.[/quote]

I dont know if Rhinehart is doing good, he is just doing "better" compared to the other Olineman.

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So long as Fat Albert is ready by the time the season starts I'm cool. If he isn't I want him fined for something...a bogus violation of some sort will do as long has he doesn't get paid.

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Yeah...Rhinehart and Williams....how are these 2 doing?
I am really interested in this since they could arguably fight for a starting role in our weakest position...
Also unanswered is our OLBs not including Orapko...especially the rookies...anyone know how they are doing?

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[quote=JLee9718;572213]According to the Post, the defense is tearing apart the O-Line. That's going to make Zorn lose his job, and it's not his fault.[/quote]It's not like an offense and blocking schemes take a little longer to "gel" than a defense or anything. I agree with Matty, the season is OVER, JUST OVER!!!!!

I'll get a first hand look on Wed. at how terrible we're going to be.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;572240]It's not like an offense and blocking schemes take a little longer to "gel" than a defense or anything. I agree with Matty, the season is OVER, JUST OVER!!!!!

[B]I'll get a first hand look on Wed.[/B] at how terrible we're going to be.[/quote]

Looking forward to your insight Sammy.

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DTV is up to $270 for one season plus $100 for HD. Getting to see my Redskins make a run for the NFC crown this year= PRICELESS!!!

HTTR

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Direct TV is out of control now. I remember when i 1st got DTV is was about $129 for NFL Ticket. I live in California so i have the sport package with Comcast that shows Washington Post Show and Comcast sports news that shows training camp daily. On Sundays it has Redskins Pre game show and Post game show. I have NFL Ticket with the HD package games look great on my LG 55 inch. HTTR....

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;572240]It's not like an offense and blocking schemes take a little longer to "gel" than a defense or anything. I agree with Matty, the season is OVER, JUST OVER!!!!!

I'll get a first hand look on Wed. at how terrible we're going to be.[/quote]

Another point made was the defense knows the plays and everyone is simply practicing. The more I think about it, the less worried I am. If they gel enough to stop our dline half the time, alot of the other teams are going to be piece o' cakes!

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Glad to see Rinehart getting some reps since Randy Thomas is being held out of practice. With the team giving RT some time off, I hoe Rinehart can get some extra reps during the preseason.

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I'm really rooting for Rinehart. Just like Devin Thomas, Rinehart can seriously shake things up for the better if he steps it up this year.

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[quote=Ruhskins;572347]Glad to see Rinehart getting some reps since Randy Thomas is being held out of practice. With the team giving RT some time off, I hoe Rinehart can get some extra reps during the preseason.[/quote]

I agree Ruh, the more reps Rinehart can get the better. The more the younger guys step up, the better off we are. It would be nice to not have such a big dropoff if one of our starters has to sit.

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[quote=70Chip;572198]
The thing that worries me is that I'm not sure Campbell has the ability to anticipate the movement of people on the field well enough to know where to go with the ball. This is the classic QB failing, IMO. As a result, [B]he waits until he sees it with his own two eyes, which is often too late.[/B] Collins can anticipate better, but can't get the ball there if it's more than twenty yards away. If we coulk throw those two in a blender and make one QB smoothie we might have something. Throw in a little vodka never hurts.

But as I said before, perhaps JC was simple off on Saturday.

[/quote]

your comments re. JC is what i really want to see JC improve upon in his 2nd yr in zorns offense. if he can get more fluid and comfortable with what he sees and is confident he knows where to put the ball the passing game should start to click instead of having to rely on the Oline to hold off defenders as JC hesitates/second guesses what he sees and doesnt throw the ball until the receiver is open open.

if only this was JC third or fourth year in the same offense . . .

go skins!!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;572327]Another point made was the defense knows the plays and everyone is simply practicing. The more I think about it, the less worried I am. If they gel enough to stop our dline half the time, alot of the other teams are going to be piece o' cakes![/quote]

Well the only way the D should know the play is if the O is telling them. Each formation has a bundle of plays and they should not know the play just by the O's formation. If thats the case then we have bigger issues.

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[quote=firstdown;572367]Well the only way the D should know the play is if the O is telling them. Each formation has a bundle of plays and they should not know the play just by the O's formation. If thats the case then we have bigger issues.[/quote]
I of course don't have the link, but I think it was Samuels who said it, and yes it is the coaches telling everyone the plays. I believe, right now they are all made aware of it so that everyone can be focusing on techniques. I don't think that is a big issue. For example, initially when training on a military operation, you know the enemies goal and tactics so that you can train for that particular attack. once you have trained several scenarios the enemy is given more leeway and you are then learning how to adapt etc. Remember this is not day 31 of camp, if there is a day 31. Everyone is getting on the same page, etc.

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Plus the offense will repeat plays to work on getting them down. They may run the same play several times in one practice and, needless to say, [I]at best[/I] it will be a surprise for the defense only on the first rep.

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Standing by with fingers crossed waiting to hear about Heyer's MRI result

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[quote=SmootSmack;572382]Standing by with fingers crossed waiting to hear about Heyer's MRI result[/quote]

i hear that. this could be bad.

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Me to. A lot of banged up front 5's. Please, its to early for this mess.

[url]http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/[/url]


R. Thomas Rests as O Line Gets Banged Up

The Redskins rested several players on Tuesday morning with more bumps and bruises flaring up now as the two-a-day training camp grind starts to take its toll.

Offensive guard Randy Thomas was rested with a sore knee. Thomas, who had arthroscopic surgery on the same knee this offseason, "felt like when he tried to really anchor and put a load on it, it was a little bit abrasive so we held him out today," Redskins Coach Jim Zorn said.

There is no timetable on Thomas's return, but Zorn said he did not expect it to be long.
Stephon Heyer left practice after getting his left knee rolled during goal line drills and Zorn called it a "bruise" and said he did not know the extent of the injury or whether Heyer would have an MRI.


Mike Williams was also rested with a groin injury. "He's got a little muscle pull," Zorn said.
Second-year receivers Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly were mostly rested during practice, as well.

With Roydell Williams out after undergoing surgery on his pinkie finger, several wide receivers have increased their workload and "they've got sore legs right now, too, so we held a couple out," Zorn said.

According to Zorn, Williams likely will not be able to run for three weeks and Zorn speculated that the injury would be a four- to six-week setback.

Center Casey Rabach (calf) also did not finish the practice but Zorn did not seem overly concerned with the "muscle aches" across the line.