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[quote=firstdown;577575]I think the Obama deal is a true tax credit instead of just a write off. For example if I owe 3000 next year before my tax break when its applied I will only owe 1500. Under the Bush plan I really would only save at my current tax rate. So if I claimed 1000 for windows then that is not counted as income and I save 300 if I was at a tax rate of 30%. Under Obama's plan I can write off 30% of the total cost up $1500.[/quote]

Gotcha...thanks for the explanation.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;577588]Agree with the cancellation of the F-22, but because it was a very costly program and the Joint Strike Fighter F-35 will be more cost-effective and provide more capabilities than the F-22 and be fully operational within a few years.

Advanced weapons systems are what keeps us free. We can argue politcal views all day long, but it's because of these systems that we keep the right to do that.[/quote]

Yeah, but the F22 is sooo coool :)

My sister is stationed at Eglin AFB and sent me this photo of the F35 in testing:

[url]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a324/adambennett/F35.jpg[/url]

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When out fishing one day I had a Stelth bommer fly right over the boat at a low altitude. The cool part was we had our back to the plane as it approached and did not even hear it until it was passing.

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[quote=SmootSmack;577451]Very true...although it's interesting to note that when anyone mentioned how actions taken (or not taken) during the Clinton administration may have impacted the Bush administration that was usually brushed aside. Every president affects future presidents. It didn't just start with Bush/Obama[/quote]

I know. Having all that excess money in the National Treasury must've been a real bitch.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;577383]Bush positives: - concept of No Child Left Behind
- Tax cuts resulting in 52 consecutive months of job creation
- minimized federal funding of abortion
- Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act
- Global HIV/AIDS funding
- instrumental in expanding NATO alliance
- Roberts & Alito and other strict constructionalist judge appointments.
- consolidated and reformed intelligence sharing
- parts of Homeland Security (agencies under HS should've consolidated more to reduce costs not as much new spending)
- Bush Admin thwarted additional terrorist attempts to attack US citizens/interests.
- Afghanistan (should've had better long term strategy)
- Iraq (actual war well executed, long term strategy not-so-much.) Troop surge worked though.
- Response to early 2000s (Clinton) recession.
- Economic Stimulus Act (mostly tax rebates)
- Do Not Call Act[/quote]

Can I have some of the acid you just dropped? :lol:

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Way to contribute dblanch66

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A few good reads here:

[url=http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aNjLN73fQVj8]Obama Snares Palin, Media in Wide Blame-Game Net: Caroline Baum - Bloomberg.com[/url]

[url=http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2009/08/obama-needs-confidence-boost.html]Obama Needs Confidence Boost - George's Bottom Line[/url]

[url=http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard/0809/Charlie_Cook_Dem_situation_has_slipped_completely_out_of_control.html]Charlie Cook: Dem situation has 'slipped completely out of control' - The Scorecard - POLITICO.com[/url]

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This health care stuff is just like deja vu back to the Hillary care.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;577767]Yeah, but the F22 is sooo coool :)

My sister is stationed at Eglin AFB and sent me this photo of the F35 in testing:

[URL]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a324/adambennett/F35.jpg[/URL][/quote]
That's an awesome pic. It makes a great desktop wallpaper too. Thx.

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[quote=dblanch66;577824]Can I have some of the acid you just dropped? :lol:[/quote]
Surprise, a lefty from LA disagrees. You're right though:
- the concept of helping all children succeed in school, especially in lower and mid-lower income areas, and holding schools accountable for performance is a crappy idea.
- so is stopping Partial Birth abortion
- the Bush Admin of course had nothing to do with stopping terrorist attacks from 2001-2008.
- who cares about the millions in Africa that Bush approved funding saved from AIDS & death.
- we should've never went after Bin Laden and the Taliban, we deserved 9/11.
- I enjoy telemarketing calls at dinnertime.

I'll just drop another hit, how silly of me to even post.

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[url=http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/]PolitiFact | The Obameter: Tracking Barack Obama's Campaign Promises[/url]

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Real Time Economics
Economic insight and analysis from The Wall Street Journal.
Employment and Recession: More Job Losses to ComeEconomists React: ‘Scary’ Employment ReportJanuary 9, 2009, 12:04 PM ET.Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record



By WSJ Staff
President George W. Bush entered office in 2001 just as a recession was starting, and is preparing to leave in the middle of a long one. That’s almost 22 months of recession during his 96 months in office.

His job-creation record won’t look much better. The Bush administration created about three million jobs (net) over its eight years, a fraction of the 23 million jobs created under President Bill Clinton’s administration and only slightly better than President George H.W. Bush did in his four years in office
taken from a wall street journal article. not sure where SS33 is getting his info from

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[quote=dmek25;577929]
By WSJ Staff
President George W. Bush entered office in 2001 just as a recession was starting, and is preparing to leave in the middle of a long one. That’s almost 22 months of recession during his 96 months in office.

His job-creation record won’t look much better. The Bush administration created about three million jobs (net) over its eight years, a fraction of the 23 million jobs created under President Bill Clinton’s administration and only slightly better than President George H.W. Bush did in his four years in office
taken from a wall street journal article. not sure where SS33 is getting his info from[/quote]Here's where I got my info and it is fact. The Bush Admin oversaw 52 consecutive months of job growth, which is unprecedented. You can put whatever context you want around it to frame it against Clinton/Reagan, but it happened and it was a good thing.

[url=http://www.whitehouse.gov/about/presidents/GeorgeWBush/]Biography of George W. Bush[/url]

More backup sources:

[URL]http://www.commerce.gov/s/groups/public/@doc/@os/@opa/documents/content/prod01_005067.pdf[/URL]

[url=http://usbudget.blogspot.com/2008/05/are-52-months-of-job-growth-under-bush.html]U.S. Budget and Economy: Are the 52 Months of Job Growth Under Bush Significant?[/url]

there are many more sources I could cite. Even those who aren't fans of Bush can't argue the facts:

[url=http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/George_W__Bush_Jobs.htm]George W. Bush on Jobs[/url]


Not a good idea to post from unedited WSJ blogs and say my facts are wrong.

[url=http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/]Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record - Real Time Economics - WSJ[/url]

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well, if he only gained a total of 3 million jobs the entire 8 years in office, must of been gaining a couple of hundred at a clip( to claim 52 cons.)

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[quote=dmek25;578049]well, if he only gained a total of 3 million jobs the entire 8 years in office, must of been gaining a couple of hundred at a clip( to claim 52 cons.)[/quote]

52 cons. months X a couple hundred at a clip = 10,400 total jobs. Doesn't quite make sense.

It's amazing how far some will go will skew facts to serve their own personal adgenda. Obviously in your eyes, even when Bush did things well, you hated him enough to think he did NOTHING right.

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[quote=FRPLG;577837]Way to contribute dblanch66[/quote]

Hypocrite, party of one: you're table is ready.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;577865]Surprise, a lefty from LA disagrees. You're right though:
- the concept of helping all children succeed in school, especially in lower and mid-lower income areas, and holding schools accountable for performance is a crappy idea.
- so is stopping Partial Birth abortion
- the Bush Admin of course had nothing to do with stopping terrorist attacks from 2001-2008.
- who cares about the millions in Africa that Bush approved funding saved from AIDS & death.
- we should've never went after Bin Laden and the Taliban, we deserved 9/11.
- I enjoy telemarketing calls at dinnertime.

I'll just drop another hit, how silly of me to even post.[/quote]

Assume my affiliations if you will. I voted for Paul. Independent from LA if you please. Did you understand all of "My Pet Goat" when Bush was reading it to you during the 911 attacks?

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[quote=jsarno;578131]52 cons. months X a couple hundred at a clip = 10,400 total jobs. Doesn't quite make sense.

It's amazing how far some will go will skew facts to serve their own personal adgenda. Obviously in your eyes, even when Bush did things well, [B]you hated him enough[/B] to think he did NOTHING right.[/quote]
hate is a very strong word that i rarely use.my dad is a life long republican. he always taught me to judge a a President by what shape he left things after he left office. jsarno, i have but one question for you. are we better off after 8 years of President Bush? your really drinking the kool aid if you answered yes. and SS33, you stated that W. protected us from terrorists from 2001-2008. talking about skewing the facts. does Sept. 11, 2001 ring a bell?

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[quote=dmek25;578175]hate is a very strong word that i rarely use.my dad is a life long republican. he always taught me to judge a a President by what shape he left things after he left office. jsarno, i have but one question for you. are we better off after 8 years of President Bush? your really drinking the kool aid if you answered yes. and SS33, you stated that W. protected us from terrorists from 2001-2008. talking about skewing the facts. does Sept. 11, 2001 ring a bell?[/quote]

I think you know pretty well that SS33 was referring to after 9/11 and through 2008.

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[quote=dblanch66;578170]Assume my affiliations if you will. I voted for Paul. Independent from LA if you please. Did you understand all of "My Pet Goat" when Bush was reading it to you during the 911 attacks?[/quote]

Ron Paul is doubly wretched and loathsome.

[YT]5_tB-MUxlhY[/YT]

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[quote=saden1;578177]Ron Paul is doubly wretched and loathsome.

[yt]5_tB-MUxlhY[/yt][/quote]And we will certainly miss Tim Russert, he was definitely one of the good guys.

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[quote=saden1;578177]Ron Paul is doubly wretched and loathsome.

[YT]5_tB-MUxlhY[/YT][/quote]

Careful. I'll start posting Bush clips and the epitomy of douchebaggery and incompetence will eclipse anything Paul, Obama, Carter, Reagan, Taft, Clinton, Hoover, Wilson....Helms..well, you get the point. Or maybe you don't. Doesn't matter anyway. Get used to 7 more years of Obama.

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[quote=dblanch66;578169]Hypocrite, party of one: you're table is ready.[/quote]

Yes I knew the irony of my post when I posted it.

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[quote=FRPLG;578686]Yes I knew the irony of my post when I posted it.[/quote]

Dude, that is awesome! Nice game tonight, btw!

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[quote=dblanch66;578684]Careful. I'll start posting Bush clips and the epitomy of douchebaggery and incompetence will eclipse anything Paul, Obama, Carter, Reagan, Taft, Clinton, Hoover, Wilson....Helms..well, you get the point. Or maybe you don't. Doesn't matter anyway. Get used to 7 more years of Obama.[/quote]Lol.

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Oh, ok.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm73wOuPL60]YouTube - Bush Caught Lying About September 11th[/ame]

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Oh..ok..

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EvNJWM_NDg]YouTube - George Bush Speech Mistakes[/ame]

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and just for good measure: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZePZRz2ygk]YouTube - Bush is a fool[/ame]

I can keep going. It's infinite, like the number of homosexual scandals of the republican party.

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If the warpath has taught me anything, it's that if it's on a video, then it's indisputable proof.

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I think what this thread has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, is that people would rather hammer their political opponent than just stay on a positive discussion. Of course this impulse is what drives our media as well, and why feel good stories come and go so quickly.

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[quote=dblanch66;578684]Careful. I'll start posting Bush clips and the epitomy of douchebaggery and incompetence will eclipse anything Paul, Obama, Carter, Reagan, Taft, Clinton, Hoover, Wilson....Helms..well, you get the point. Or maybe you don't. Doesn't matter anyway. Get used to 7 more years of Obama.[/quote]
now thats funny

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[quote=GTripp0012;578704]If the warpath has taught me anything, it's that if it's on a video, then it's indisputable proof.[/quote]

One or two videos: coincidence.
200,000 plus videos: trend.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;578516]And we will certainly miss Tim Russert, he was definitely one of the good guys.[/quote]

I will give him props on completely dismantling Ron Paul. but I don't know about being [URL="http://busharchive.froomkin.com/BL2007020801013_pf.htm"]a good guy[/URL]. Correct me if I am wrong but if you only talk about what you're told you can talk about you're in the business of propaganda.

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[quote=dblanch66;578684]Careful. I'll start posting Bush clips and the epitomy of douchebaggery and incompetence will eclipse anything Paul, Obama, Carter, Reagan, Taft, Clinton, Hoover, Wilson....Helms..well, you get the point. Or maybe you don't. Doesn't matter anyway. Get used to 7 more years of Obama.[/quote]

Bush's inarticulateness and intellectual deficiency is undisputed but at least he has core principles he adheres to regardless of whether you agree with them or not. He doesn't profess to be noble but rather that he is right in his noble actions. Ron Paul on the other hand professes to be noble in both ideas and actions yet his actions never reflect his noble ideas. A man that does not live by the tenets of his core principles is far more wretched than a man whose core principles you disagree with. That is to say it is far more sinister to place an earmark into a bill, vote against the bill and then decry earmarks the next day than to embark on war you believe to be just under false pretense.

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[quote=saden1;578867]Bush's inarticulateness and intellectual deficiencies is undisputed but at least he has core principles he adheres to regardless of whether you agree with them or not. He doesn't profess to be noble but rather that he is right in his noble actions. Ron Paul on the other hand professes to be noble in both ideas and actions yet his actions never reflect his noble ideas. A man that does not live by the tenets of his core principles is far more wretched than a man whose core principles you disagree with. That is to say it is far more sinister to place an earmark into a bill, vote against the bill and then decry earmarks the next day than to embark on war you believe to be just under false pretense.[/quote]

What Ron Paul professes doesn't start or end with him. He didn't invent Austrian economics and many of the things that he advocates are already in law. Rob Paul is a reactionary not a radical.

Tim Russert will be missed. That leftist lap dog they have up there now just throws softballs to Democrats and uses sound-bite arguements against the Republicans. Russert actually made them all sweat. Without him I don't watch FTN. Clinton's old lap dog has a better show IMO.

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Everyone says how well OBama speaks but if he does not have a teleprompter in front of him he speaks like I spell.

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[quote=firstdown;578919]Everyone says how well OBama speaks but if he does not have a teleprompter in front of him he speaks like I spell.[/quote]Obama The Bumbling Idiot

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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAUZFMHXbD8&feature=related]YouTube - Obama The Bumbling Idiot[/url]

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lets takeabout 50 interviews, cut and paste, and YouTube - Obama The Bumbling Idiot

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;578882]What Ron Paul professes doesn't start or end with him. He didn't invent Austrian economics and many of the things that he advocates are already in law. Rob Paul is a reactionary not a radical.

Tim Russert will be missed. That leftist lap dog they have up there now just throws softballs to Democrats and uses sound-bite arguements against the Republicans. Russert actually made them all sweat. Without him I don't watch FTN. Clinton's old lap dog has a better show IMO.[/quote]

This is a classic example of how people hear what they want to hear. In this case we're both guilty as charged because I think David Gregory is completely in the tank for the Republicans. I watch MTP religiously and can assure you he's not lobbing soft balls at Dems on his show. In fact, he's had Joe Scarborough on the program twice in as many months. John McCain is a regular on the show and Gregory never challenges the crap that he spews out of his mouth. He'll ask McCain, do you think President Obama is reaching out to Republicans? Like what the eff is McCain suppose to do, hold Obama up to God and call him wonderful? No follow-up questions, no examples of Obama reaching accross the aisle. Nothing. Just let McCain ramble on and then on to the next question. What, last week he had Dick Armey on the program. A few weeks before that, Fred Thompson. Fred freaking Thompson!? Good god man, I'd rather you exume Reagan's corpse and have him on before you put old man Thompson in front of me pretending that he's credible.

I've sat in amazement Sunday after Sunday hoping that Gregory will one day live up to the standard Russert has set only to come away disappointed. We do agree on one thing, however, Steph's show is better than MTP. But not by much.