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[quote=DBUCHANON101;589202]You would think its just that easy, yet ppl will repeatedly come back and say lock the thread if its not to their liking or not going their way.[/quote]

Aren't there a dozen other threads complaining about people who want threads locked where this could be posted? I'm angry. Can we lock this?

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Go to another thread. If you dont like the subject then why do you feel the need to come in and see whats being said if you know it will offend you?

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;589225]Go to another thread. If you dont like the subject then why do you feel the need to come in and see whats being said if you know it will offend you?[/quote]

edit: sarcasm fail.

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JC had a better QB rating than Eli Manning did...just saying.

on that other note...we need Tebow desperately

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he may not play QB...but I want him in our weight room making others better!

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[quote=juggernaunt;588073]can we please begin to start the conversation the either cowher or shannahan will be here by our bye week. also which QB do we build around bradford, snead, tebow, or Mc Coy.[/quote]

Come On Man, are you serious? Dude it's the 1st game on the road and we faced a team who many football experts believe will win the NFC East. These are the kind of BS fans we don't need. Im a fan win or lose the game. Of course I want us to win every game but thats just not being realistic. Our team never quit and played hard, thats all I can ask of them. Sure our team made some poor plays but they also made some nice plays in the game. We can never expect to be a playoff team if we keep changing coaches and players. If we change coaches then we change personnal to fit his scheme. So with that being said 1 loss doesn't equal fire coach and QB. Lets get RID of fake Redskin fans that always Bit*h about firing coaches and the QB.

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[quote=cc47;588118]I don't care if he threw for 400 yds. The mistakes kill him. His issues have never been between to 20's.[/quote]

Did you watch Jake Delhomme throw 4 picks. Pressure equals a bad day for QB's. Delhomme signed a extention after the playoff blow out against the Cards. People complain about Campbell, I bet Panthers fans love to have JC.

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[quote=nyredskinsfan;588182]Just in case you missed my last post. Same Crap different year.[/quote]

Then stop watching and go route for a team that wins. Thats why they have band wagon fans who wait to see who is winning and go out and buy a jersey. Nobody is forcing you to watch the Redskins game, so get NFL Ticket and pick your new team nyredskinsfan.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;588512]DUDE WTF are you smoking??? stop drinking and go to bed[/quote]

I agree has no idea about the game of football. Also get off the drugs.

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[quote=skinsfan69;588904]The mistakes that JC made are all correctable. I'm honestly not worried about the QB. JC can get it done and I'm convinced of that. The problem seems that Zorn needs to hand over the offense to JC. This should not be CP's offense anymore. Kind of like how Norv handled Rivers The run was not working yet Zorn kept slamming CP into the teeth of NY's front 7. It's almost like he doesn't trust JC. IMO we just need someone else to call the plays. Zorn was caling plays like we were ahead instead of down. Also is Zorn afraid to run a hurry up? Doesn't he know JC does that very well??[/quote]

Dude you are so right on Q. Zorn is holding JC from growing as a QB because he is trying to protect him to much. We need to be a pass 1st run 2nd team because every team knows from the off season that we want to get rid of Jason. They know we don't trust him with the ball in his hands. We showed our hand this off season not defenses are betting on us to run Portis 60% of the time.

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[quote=mredskins;589013]You and Paintrain are correct I should have count those games as well. In the end only time will decide this argument, my money is on Campbell/Zorn gone at the end of the year but I hope I am wrong.[/quote]

If Zorn is gone its cause he got fired. If Campbell is gone its because he is tired of being put into a system that fit his strengths. Campbell will sign with a team that knows how to taylor his strengths to their offense.

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I watch the game and my observations are the following:
1.Zorn is not on par with the elite coaches so lets not fool ourselves. I believe he will get our team winning though.

2.J.C. made a mistake on forcing the ball to Moss near the sideline when he should have just ran out of bounce or threw it away. He will learn from this mistake. The fumble was partially on him for not having the awareness to feel the pressure and step up in the pocket and either run or throw it away. Samuels could have blocked his man better to prevent the pressure. JC made some nice throws when he had time and he turned a botched snap into a nice gain to Betts. Zorn let JC either play his way to a big contract or sink and go some where else by letting his put the ball in the air.

3.The Defense played well but had to many crucial penalties and could not get off the field on 3rd downs. Our DB's played to soft in coverage and did not tackle well especial on the Manningham catch and run for a TD. Smoot, Carter, Hall all had a chance to push him out of bounds. The D-Line played well but still didnt get much pressure on Eli. The Giants did not run any deep routes and Eli got the ball out quick on short underneath routes. The Giants had a few big runs but we kept the running game in check. Stop them on 4th and 1 near goalline. Defense 2 forced turnovers converted it for only 3 points. Carlos Rogers still can't catch a cold when he dropped an sure pick in the 1st qt. Giants fumble snap which the ball gets kicked forward and we dont recover it. 2 missed opportunities.

4.Special teams played well fake fg for touchdown nice call. Sure had me fooled. Still returns no chance of a return touchdown with Rock and Betts. Lack of return speed between the 2 players.

5. The offense had some nice moments but we need more explosive plays in the passing game. This means O-line needs to protect and WR have to get open. The O-Line did not give Portis many holes to run through which made it tough on the passing game when you run on 1st down and get 1 yard or no yards. Kelly, Moss, and Thomas a no show. Moss is suppose to be a leader but he let the Giants DB ( Webster) take him out the game. He got his ass whipped and had a blanket on him all over the field by Webster , he owned Moss. When hall got the int. on the 1st offense play Tuck did not get blocked and Portis was blown up in the backfield. It look like Heyer chipped him and went to block the LB. This had to be a missed assignment by Heyer cause your not going to let Tuck come through like that. Maybe Zorn can use a screenpass to the backs when facing a team that likes to rush the QB. I did'nt see us run 1 screenpass. Offense has to get in the end zone for us to have any chance to win game in the NFC East.

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[quote=skins89moss;589361]I agree has no idea about the game of football. Also get off the drugs.[/quote]

You should check your sentences before you imply that others are on drugs. Lighten up. I didn't lose the game, our team did.

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[quote=juggernaunt;588073]can we please begin to start the conversation the either cowher or shannahan will be here by our bye week. also which QB do we build around bradford, snead, tebow, or Mc Coy.[/quote]

We can countdown to you shutting up

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;589485]We can countdown to you shutting up[/quote]

:laughing2 I'm not real happy that we lost a game, I never am, but all this panicing after one game...I mean c'mon...this is a joke right??? Right???

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UPDATED stats/assessment:

Cutler:
WK 1 - 17/36 (47.2%), 277 yds, 1 TD, 4 INTS, 43.2 rating, 16 rush yds
WK 2 - 27/38 (71.1%), 236 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 104.7 rating, -2 rush yds
TOTAL: 44/77 (59.5%), 513 yds, 3 TD, 4 INT, 71.5 rating, 14 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 1 - 18/31 (58.1%), 272 yds. 1 TD, 1 INT, 84.3 rating, 6 rush yds
WK 2 - 14/22 (63.6%), 163 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT, 101.1 rating, -2 rush yds
TOTAL: 32/53 (60.4%), 435 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 91.3 rating, 4 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 1 - 19/26 (73.1%), 211 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 93.6 rating, 16 rush yds
WK 2 - 23/35 (65.7%), 242 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT, 85.7 rating, 28 rush yds
TOTAL: 42/61 (68.9%), 453 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 89.0 rating, 44 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campell (+8.5%), Sanchez, Cutler
Yds = Cutler (+60 yds), Campbell, Sanchez
TDs = Cutler (3), Sanchez (2), Campbell (1)
INTs = Campbell/Sanchez (1 ea), Cutler (4)
QB rating = Sanchez (+2.3), Campbell, Cutler (horrible)
Rush yds = Campbell (44), Cutler (14), Sanchez (4)


Campbell is holding his own, if not outperforming the others in nearly every category. His teammates have dropped many TD passes, but he is not throwing INTs either. Cutler is either in first or last in the categories, so he helps and hurts his team equally. Sanchez is doing well for a rookie, but Campbell's numbers still look better. Also, he has a smart mobility that neither of the other two have. He can take off and run for a 1st down if his receivers are covered, as well as any QB in the league.

I was supportive of keeping JC and completely against getting Cutler. Looks like I am justified.

It's not Campbell's fault that Zorn is blowing red-zone playcalls and critical TD passes are being dropped. He's showing more leadership this season and will have a great year when things start clicking on offense.

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[quote=Buster;593004]UPDATED stats/assessment:

Cutler:
WK 1 - 17/36 (47.2%), 277 yds, 1 TD, 4 INTS, 43.2 rating, 16 rush yds
WK 2 - 27/38 (71.1%), 236 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 104.7 rating, -2 rush yds
TOTAL: 44/77 (59.5%), 513 yds, 3 TD, 4 INT, 71.5 rating, 14 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 1 - 18/31 (58.1%), 272 yds. 1 TD, 1 INT, 84.3 rating, 6 rush yds
WK 2 - 14/22 (63.6%), 163 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT, 101.1 rating, -2 rush yds
TOTAL: 32/53 (60.4%), 435 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 91.3 rating, 4 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 1 - 19/26 (73.1%), 211 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 93.6 rating, 16 rush yds
WK 2 - 23/35 (65.7%), 242 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT, 85.7 rating, 28 rush yds
TOTAL: 42/61 (68.9%), 453 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 89.0 rating, 44 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campell (+8.5%), Sanchez, Cutler
Yds = Cutler (+60 yds), Campbell, Sanchez
TDs = Cutler (3), Sanchez (2), Campbell (1)
INTs = Campbell/Sanchez (1 ea), Cutler (4)
QB rating = Sanchez (+2.3), Campbell, Cutler (horrible)
Rush yds = Campbell (44), Cutler (14), Sanchez (4)


Campbell is holding his own, if not outperforming the others in nearly every category. His teammates have dropped many TD passes, but he is not throwing INTs either. Cutler is either in first or last in the categories, so he helps and hurts his team equally. Sanchez is doing well for a rookie, but Campbell's numbers still look better. Also, he has a smart mobility that neither of the other two have. He can take off and run for a 1st down if his receivers are covered, as well as any QB in the league.

I was supportive of keeping JC and completely against getting Cutler. Looks like I am justified.

It's not Campbell's fault that Zorn is blowing red-zone playcalls and critical TD passes are being dropped. He's showing more leadership this season and will have a great year when things start clicking on offense.[/quote]

No way. I'm not taking anything away from Soup but Cutler was in control of the Pittsburgh game the other day. He won it too. I didn't see Sanchez but I hear they beat New England. Soup isn't up there with these guys because he hasn't beaten the Steelers or the Patriots. I'm not so sure it's him and not the play calling now. I'll have to see more.

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[quote=Buster;593004]UPDATED stats/assessment:

Cutler:
WK 1 - 17/36 (47.2%), 277 yds, 1 TD, 4 INTS, 43.2 rating, 16 rush yds
WK 2 - 27/38 (71.1%), 236 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 104.7 rating, -2 rush yds
TOTAL: 44/77 (59.5%), 513 yds, 3 TD, 4 INT, 71.5 rating, 14 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 1 - 18/31 (58.1%), 272 yds. 1 TD, 1 INT, 84.3 rating, 6 rush yds
WK 2 - 14/22 (63.6%), 163 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT, 101.1 rating, -2 rush yds
TOTAL: 32/53 (60.4%), 435 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 91.3 rating, 4 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 1 - 19/26 (73.1%), 211 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 93.6 rating, 16 rush yds
WK 2 - 23/35 (65.7%), 242 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT, 85.7 rating, 28 rush yds
TOTAL: 42/61 (68.9%), 453 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 89.0 rating, 44 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campell (+8.5%), Sanchez, Cutler
Yds = Cutler (+60 yds), Campbell, Sanchez
TDs = Cutler (3), Sanchez (2), Campbell (1)
INTs = Campbell/Sanchez (1 ea), Cutler (4)
QB rating = Sanchez (+2.3), Campbell, Cutler (horrible)
Rush yds = Campbell (44), Cutler (14), Sanchez (4)


Campbell is holding his own, if not outperforming the others in nearly every category. His teammates have dropped many TD passes, but he is not throwing INTs either. Cutler is either in first or last in the categories, so he helps and hurts his team equally. Sanchez is doing well for a rookie, but Campbell's numbers still look better. Also, he has a smart mobility that neither of the other two have. He can take off and run for a 1st down if his receivers are covered, as well as any QB in the league.

I was supportive of keeping JC and completely against getting Cutler. Looks like I am justified.

It's not Campbell's fault that Zorn is blowing red-zone playcalls and critical TD passes are being dropped. He's showing more leadership this season and will have a great year when things start clicking on offense.[/quote]

Good post, love the stats!

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[quote=Buster;593004]UPDATED stats/assessment:

Cutler:
WK 1 - 17/36 (47.2%), 277 yds, 1 TD, 4 INTS, 43.2 rating, 16 rush yds
WK 2 - 27/38 (71.1%), 236 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 104.7 rating, -2 rush yds
TOTAL: 44/77 (59.5%), 513 yds, 3 TD, 4 INT, 71.5 rating, 14 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 1 - 18/31 (58.1%), 272 yds. 1 TD, 1 INT, 84.3 rating, 6 rush yds
WK 2 - 14/22 (63.6%), 163 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT, 101.1 rating, -2 rush yds
TOTAL: 32/53 (60.4%), 435 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 91.3 rating, 4 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 1 - 19/26 (73.1%), 211 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 93.6 rating, 16 rush yds
WK 2 - 23/35 (65.7%), 242 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT, 85.7 rating, 28 rush yds
TOTAL: 42/61 (68.9%), 453 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 89.0 rating, 44 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campell (+8.5%), Sanchez, Cutler
Yds = Cutler (+60 yds), Campbell, Sanchez
TDs = Cutler (3), Sanchez (2), Campbell (1)
INTs = Campbell/Sanchez (1 ea), Cutler (4)
QB rating = Sanchez (+2.3), Campbell, Cutler (horrible)
Rush yds = Campbell (44), Cutler (14), Sanchez (4)


Campbell is holding his own, if not outperforming the others in nearly every category. His teammates have dropped many TD passes, but he is not throwing INTs either. Cutler is either in first or last in the categories, so he helps and hurts his team equally. Sanchez is doing well for a rookie, but Campbell's numbers still look better. Also, he has a smart mobility that neither of the other two have. He can take off and run for a 1st down if his receivers are covered, as well as any QB in the league.

I was supportive of keeping JC and completely against getting Cutler. Looks like I am justified.

It's not Campbell's fault that Zorn is blowing red-zone playcalls and critical TD passes are being dropped. He's showing more leadership this season and will have a great year when things start clicking on offense.[/quote]

Good post i'm a JC supporter it's only 2 games and JC's only going to improve.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;593081]Good post i'm a JC supporter it's only 2 games and JC's only going to improve.[/quote]


I am in total agreement. Zorn has to improve on his playcalling in a BIG way. JC is not what people make him out to be. Its been the same story even when Gibbs was here. Receivers dropping balls and trouble in the endzone.

I will say this though. Everything is slowly coming along. Last week we couldn't move the ball. this week we moved the ball with ease. Last week our defense didn't do squat. This week they held the rams to 7 points. Probbaly could have shut them out if not for a play here or there.

If we improve on our rush defense and score in the redzone atleast twice next week we will be headed the right way as far as progression.

Who better than to run rampant on the Lions.

Then we have Tampa Bay coming up which doesn't look that bad. Only threat is Cadillac. So we could easily be 3-1 eventhough we been playing like crap. Then Panthers and Chiefs? We might go 5-1. I see that as being possible eventhough we haven't had our "A" game yet. This schedule definitely works in our favor. So maybe we will be clicking on all gears when we reach the ATL game.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;593032]No way. I'm not taking anything away from Soup but Cutler was in control of the Pittsburgh game the other day. He won it too. I didn't see Sanchez but I hear they beat New England. Soup isn't up there with these guys because he hasn't beaten the Steelers or the Patriots. I'm not so sure it's him and not the play calling now. I'll have to see more.[/quote]He's also in the NFC and won't ever be graded by how he does against the Steelers and the Patriots. He needs to do well against the Giants, Cowboys, and Eagles.

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[quote=Buster;593004]UPDATED stats/assessment:

Cutler:
WK 1 - 17/36 (47.2%), 277 yds, 1 TD, 4 INTS, 43.2 rating, 16 rush yds
WK 2 - 27/38 (71.1%), 236 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 104.7 rating, -2 rush yds
TOTAL: 44/77 (59.5%), 513 yds, 3 TD, 4 INT, 71.5 rating, 14 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 1 - 18/31 (58.1%), 272 yds. 1 TD, 1 INT, 84.3 rating, 6 rush yds
WK 2 - 14/22 (63.6%), 163 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT, 101.1 rating, -2 rush yds
TOTAL: 32/53 (60.4%), 435 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 91.3 rating, 4 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 1 - 19/26 (73.1%), 211 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 93.6 rating, 16 rush yds
WK 2 - 23/35 (65.7%), 242 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT, 85.7 rating, 28 rush yds
TOTAL: 42/61 (68.9%), 453 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 89.0 rating, 44 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campell (+8.5%), Sanchez, Cutler
Yds = Cutler (+60 yds), Campbell, Sanchez
TDs = Cutler (3), Sanchez (2), Campbell (1)
INTs = Campbell/Sanchez (1 ea), Cutler (4)
QB rating = Sanchez (+2.3), Campbell, Cutler (horrible)
Rush yds = Campbell (44), Cutler (14), Sanchez (4)


Campbell is holding his own, if not outperforming the others in nearly every category. His teammates have dropped many TD passes, but he is not throwing INTs either. Cutler is either in first or last in the categories, so he helps and hurts his team equally. Sanchez is doing well for a rookie, but Campbell's numbers still look better. Also, he has a smart mobility that neither of the other two have. He can take off and run for a 1st down if his receivers are covered, as well as any QB in the league.

I was supportive of keeping JC and completely against getting Cutler. Looks like I am justified.

It's not Campbell's fault that Zorn is blowing red-zone playcalls and critical TD passes are being dropped. He's showing more leadership this season and will have a great year when things start clicking on offense.[/quote]

Nice one!

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We should of picked up Jeff Garcia

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.......16......15.......

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[quote=GTripp0012;593101]He's also in the NFC and won't ever be graded by how he does against the Steelers and the Patriots. He needs to do well against the Giants, Cowboys, and Eagles.[/quote]

He was graded against the Steelers last year and flunked.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;593032]No way. I'm not taking anything away from Soup but Cutler was in control of the Pittsburgh game the other day. He won it too. I didn't see Sanchez but I hear they beat New England. Soup isn't up there with these guys because he hasn't beaten the Steelers or the Patriots. I'm not so sure it's him and not the play calling now. I'll have to see more.[/quote]

Sanchez is really impressing me. What I like is how our future head coach Brian Schottenheimer is showing faith in him by putting the game in his hands in the 2nd half against the Pats yesterday. I find it a bit odd that Zorn at seemingly critical junctures, first pass play of the season/3rd down paly in the red zone, Zorn isn't putting it in Campbell's hands to make that throw. With Zorn's future so closely tied to Campbell's success it seems odd that he would do that.

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^It's all about coaching....something were lacking.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;593153]He was graded against the Steelers last year and flunked.[/quote]

We flunked as a team, the O-line let the Steelers beat the crap out of JC, he was lucky to make it through that game alive!!!

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[quote=roth74va;593203]We flunked as a team, the O-line let the Steelers beat the crap out of JC, he was lucky to make it through that game alive!!![/quote]

Yeah no kidding. Look up the word "jailbreak" on google and you will get a direct feed to the video of that game.

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[quote=SmootSmack;593161]Sanchez is really impressing me. What I like is how our future head coach Brian Schottenheimer is showing faith in him by putting the game in his hands in the 2nd half against the Pats yesterday. I find it a bit odd that Zorn at seemingly critical junctures, first pass play of the season/3rd down paly in the red zone, Zorn isn't putting it in Campbell's hands to make that throw. With Zorn's future so closely tied to Campbell's success it seems odd that he would do that.[/quote]Not that I'm suggesting that these are anything but loaded terms, but couldn't Brian Schottenheimer's passing offense charitably be described as boring and unimaginative?

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[quote=GTripp0012;593216]Not that I'm suggesting that these are anything but loaded terms, but couldn't Brian Schottenheimer's passing offense charitably be described as boring and unimaginative?[/quote]

One man's "boring and unimaginative" is another man's "effective and efficient"

Seriously though, I think B Schott often unfairly gets labeled boring because of his last name.

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[quote=GTripp0012;593216]Not that I'm suggesting that these are anything but loaded terms, but couldn't Brian Schottenheimer's passing offense charitably be described as boring and unimaginative?[/quote]
Dude, I would rather have Norv back and his playbook than the crap we are seeing. Actually JC would love Norv's playbook. Shit, Frerotte could have been a perennial pro bowler with the Wrs JC has, and Norv was a decent play caller. At least he had an offense that could score. Too bad Norv is an ineffective HC. Boring and unimaginative that gets the job done is way better than marching up and down the 20 yard lines only to come up empty or lousy FGs. Just like it is with women, the object is to score big!!!!!!

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[quote=SmootSmack;593221]One man's "boring and unimaginative" is another man's "effective and efficient"

Seriously though, I think B Schott often unfairly gets labeled boring because of his last name.[/quote]Isn't he at least partially responsible for moving from a franchise QB with durability issues in Pennington to Kellen Clemens to Brett Favre and finally to Sanchez? I'm missing what makes his slow and steady passing game so appealing while Zorn's is so irritating (not necessarily the opinion of the author of these comments).

I think a Zorn -> Schotty Jr. transition would go well, but in the end, the offense would be more or less under a similar philosophy.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;593081]Good post i'm a JC supporter it's only 2 games and JC's only going to improve.[/quote]

Still on the fence. I was ecstatic when Campbell put that 55 yard pass on the money to ARE even though it was dropped. I thought we'd be seeing more of that, but he still misses gimmes like the first pass of the game to Kelly, still throws balls 5 yards out of bands on fade routes, still grossly overthrows deeps balls like the one to the end zone that almost ended up in the bleachers, and still seems hesitant to throw to receivers in single coverage unless they are wide open. I like that he doesn't turn the ball over and can make completions when he gets time, but there still seem to be too many deficiencies. Zorn or not, I don't see him getting signed by another team if he can only muster up another 12-13 TDs this year. Signed as a starter at least.

BUT, they can turn things around. It happens all the time in the NFL, and now that I've calmed down, I hope it happens for the Skins.

2 things - the Skins need to find ways to move the ball down the field without it taking more than 10 plays every friggin time and they need to score TDs when they get in the red zone (and sometimes when they don't). Worse problems have been corrected by other teams. They can do it.

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[quote=GTripp0012;593228]Isn't he at least partially responsible for moving from a franchise QB with durability issues in Pennington to Kellen Clemens to Brett Favre and finally to Sanchez? I'm missing what makes his slow and steady passing game so appealing while Zorn's is so irritating (not necessarily the opinion of the author of these comments).

I think a Zorn -> Schotty Jr. transition would go well, but in the end, the offense would be more or less under a similar philosophy.[/quote]

I don't follow your first line there.

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For some reason, I felt like looking back on some of my old posts to see what I thought "back then" about Zorn

Liked the idea of Zorn as an offensive coordinator

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/411413-post41.html[/url]

Totally called it on irish wanting Zorn as our head coach :)

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/411418-post43.html[/url]

Thought coaching the QBs and being the offensive coordinator was too much

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/413426-post121.html[/url]

Sort of eh about the hiring of him as head coach

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/419804-post38.html[/url]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/419822-post53.html[/url]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/420395-post290.html[/url]

What does it all mean? Nothing really, just interesting to look back and gauge my feelings then versus my feelings now

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[quote=SmootSmack;593236]I don't follow your first line there.[/quote]When he came to the Jets in 2006, Pennington was firmly entrenched as the starter, but was coming off of two lost injury seasons in the last three years. He had a fantastic 2006 season, but when the offense fell apart in 2007, the Jets made a coaching move to go with Kellen Clemens at quarterback.

It's debatable as to what role that had in bringing in Favre, and subsequently Sanchez, but how valuable is a coach who loses with/benches Chad Pennington anyway? That's a pretty glaring misevaluation, though I'm certainly in no position to say who's call that was.

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[quote=GTripp0012;593239]When he came to the Jets in 2006, Pennington was firmly entrenched as the starter, but was coming off of two lost injury seasons in the last three years. He had a fantastic 2006 season, but when the offense fell apart in 2007, the Jets made a coaching move to go with Kellen Clemens at quarterback.

It's debatable as to what role that had in bringing in Favre, and subsequently Sanchez, but how valuable is a coach who loses with/benches Chad Pennington anyway? That's a pretty glaring misevaluation, though I'm certainly in no position to say who's call that was.[/quote]

Maybe it's because I'm tired, but I'm just not following? Are you saying Schott could/should be at fault for Pennington not still being the starter there?

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[quote=SmootSmack;593241]Maybe it's because I'm tired, but I'm just not following? Are you saying Schott could/should be at fault for Pennington not still being the starter there?[/quote]I'm saying it's someone's fault other than Chad Pennington. Then I'm asking if you think Schottenheimer had anything to do with that.

I also was trying to point out that the Jets made a questionable quarterback decision in each of the last three seasons, and while that's certainly a personnel issue (I kinda think Tannenbaum is a dolt), I'm wondering what role the Mangini/Schottenheimer combo had in screwing up the QB situation.

If Schotty can be completely absolved from the mess with his QBs in NY, couldn't a similar argument work as a defense for Zorn not breaking through here?

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Give me Cam Cameron any day.