Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=wilsowilso;592073]I think he is probably just done. Total warrior.[/quote]


If there is anyone tougher in the NFL, I would like to know who it is.

I will never forget the Dallas game when he was carted off with a broken leg and told the camera, "Gotta love it".

I think his body just decided to throw in the towel.

We hear all about how terrible professional athletes are as role models. That doesn't apply to Randy Thomas.

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[quote=Mattyk72;592847]Gibbs gave it up, why can't Zorn?[/quote]

Excellent point. Not only that but Saunders, or Saunders/Gibbs, or Gibbs/Saunders...wait now I'm lost :)...put the game in Jason's hands as well, letting him call the plays and run a hurry up offense and the whole enchilada. I think JC has proven he is a student of the game and capable of running the offense.

...I really wish before we make any coaching changes, other than canning Hixon and bringing in a legit WR coach, Jason gets the opportunity to [I]show[/I] what Zorn has taught him. Jason looks better than I can remember. I think he's close to a huge breakthrough as long as the line gives him time. And I give Zorn his due credit for Jason's development...I just think when it comes to putting the pieces together on gameday Zorn over-thinks everything, or maybe become too focused on just a few things. Put the ball in Jason's hands and let him shred the defense.

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=SBXVII;592979]Yeah, Ok, Tell that to Sellers who had the ball blasted at him with in 10 yrds and watched the ball go through his hands. Might have been a TD, maybe not. ...but lets not put blame where blame is due and coddle the QB. Better yet lets enable him and tell him he's doing well and keep doing it, then blame Sellers for not making the catch.[/quote]

Have you ever played the game of football? You sound like a damn fool. Football is a game men play not crying babys. If a WR gets his hands on the ball they will tell you ever time they should have caught the pass. You are a JC Hater so just admit you don't like him cause you look foolish with this statement.

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=Mattyk72;593042]Weren't there whispers in camp that some in the organization wanted Rinehart to be starting at RG?

Nothing against Thomas but I hope this injury is a blessing in disguise. It's time to see what Rinehart is capable of.[/quote]

I agree its time for him to start earning his 3rd draft choice keep. He is going to Sink or Swim. Lets hope he swims.

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=T.O.Killa;592878]You are always the voice of reason, and this post sounds to me like you have already given up on Zorn. Maybe, I am taking it out of context, but if you feel this way, Zorn is in deep trouble. I thought there were some questionable calls, but I did not realize how mad everyone was. I hope that everyone is wrong, because I am sick of this team starting over.[/quote]

I haven't given up on Zorn yet, but he needs to find a way to start putting points on the board pretty quick. He's already started to lose some fans, the players will be next.

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=skins89moss;593375]Have you ever played the game of football? You sound like a damn fool. Football is a game men play not crying babys. If a WR gets his hands on the ball they will tell you ever time they should have caught the pass. You are a JC Hater so just admit you don't like him cause you look foolish with this statement.[/quote]

Good response. People act like a QBs pass is going to land squarely in their hands ALL the time. WRs need to make plays as well. During the Cowpukes/G-men game, there were times that Eli was throwing the ball well to his wideouts and there were times when his wideouts had to go up and grab the ball or make a play to get to the ball. Once again, people just focusing on one thing and not looking at the overall picture.

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=Ruhskins;593411]Good response. People act like a QBs pass is going to land squarely in their hands ALL the time. WRs need to make plays as well. During the Cowpukes/G-men game, there were times that Eli was throwing the ball well to his wideouts and there were times when his wideouts had to go up and grab the ball or make a play to get to the ball. Once again, people just focusing on one thing and not looking at the overall picture.[/quote]

The thing is though that ball was well thrown and JC definitely took something off of it. Sellers flat out dropped it and he knows it. No excuses.

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=Mattyk72;593399]I haven't given up on Zorn yet, but he needs to find a way to start putting points on the board pretty quick. He's already started to lose some fans, the players will be next.[/quote]
Interestingly, the Lions game may be the most important game of JZ's career.........

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

Why wouldn't the Redskins re-sign Boston Pete at this point?

How could it hurt? Give Reinhart a shot but having a back-up plan is never a bad idea.

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;593556]Why wouldn't the Redskins re-sign Boston Pete at this point?

How could it hurt? Give Reinhart a shot but having a back-up plan is never a bad idea.[/quote]

That makes sense to me.

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;593556]Why wouldn't the Redskins re-sign Boston Pete at this point?[/quote]

Only way would be as a backup.

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;593556]Why wouldn't the Redskins re-sign Boston Pete at this point?

How could it hurt? Give Reinhart a shot but having a back-up plan is never a bad idea.[/quote]

Who;s your inactive then to make room on the active roster for him?

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;593600]Who;s your inactive then to make room on the active roster for him?[/quote]

Have they filled the active spot yet?

I would inactive Mason. He doesn't add anything to what Portis and Betts bring to the table.

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;593600]Who;s your inactive then to make room on the active roster for him?[/QUOTE]

I agree. Reinhardt starts with Montgomery backing him up. Do you sign Kendall just to have him sit inactive? We actually have homegrown talent, lets use it.

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;593602]Have they filled the active spot yet?

I would inactive Mason. [B]He doesn't add anything to what Portis and Betts bring to the table.[/B][/quote]

Uh oh... you just opened up a whole other can of crazy - why'd you have to go and stir that pot.

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

Once Thomas goes on IR they still need to fill his roster spot. I don't care if Kendall is inactive, he's just insurance.

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;593602]Have they filled the active spot yet?

I would inactive Mason. He doesn't add anything to what Portis and Betts bring to the table.[/quote]

But he can play teams, particularly on a day like Sunday when Smoot and Barnes (two other guys who play teams) were both inactive. Barnes may have been week 1 as well (can't remember)

Kendall won't be playing teams

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

Anyone else really worried that a decision still hasnt been made?

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Here is our annual Offensive Line rant, just coming a bit early this year.

[URL="http://dcprosportsreport.com/2009/09/is-randy-thomas-the-outer-bands-of-a-bad-storm-coming.html"][B]http://dcprosportsreport.com/2009/09/is-randy-thomas-the-outer-bands-of-a-bad-storm-coming.html[/B][/URL]

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=mlmpetert;593629]Anyone else really worried that a decision still hasnt been made?[/quote]

It has. Chad Rhinehart is starting.

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=PennSkinsFan;593630]Here is our annual Offensive Line rant, just coming a bit early this year.

[URL="http://dcprosportsreport.com/2009/09/is-randy-thomas-the-outer-bands-of-a-bad-storm-coming.html"][B]http://dcprosportsreport.com/2009/09/is-randy-thomas-the-outer-bands-of-a-bad-storm-coming.html[/B][/URL][/quote]

Couldn't agree more, that's why Mack should have been drafted by us.

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

I'm hearing that Armstrong is going to start.

I'd say that makes sense being that C. Reinhardt wasn't even dressed this past SUN. If Chad is considered the backup wouldn't he at least dressed for the Rams game.

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

Who the F is Armstrong??

I feel like a broken record but there's a perfectly logical reason as to why Rinehart has been inactive. He only plays guard where as someone like Montgomery can fill in at guard and center.

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=Mattyk72;593649]Who the F is Armstrong??

I feel like a broken record but there's a perfectly logical reason as to why Rinehart has been inactive. He only plays guard where as someone like Montgomery can fill in at guard and center.[/quote]

Lmao. Never heard of Armstrong. I she talking about Montgomery? And if he is, that's not even close.

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

Wow the Redskins insiders are always so hard on the front office. I think his assesment of the Oline is a little to harsh. They have not been that bad. They gave up two sacks to the most fierce pass rush in the NFL. Heyer has been decent, and I expect him to continue to get better. Anyway here is the story.
[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/play-calling-isnt-the-only-pro.html#more]Redskins Insider - Play-Calling Isn't the Only Problem[/url]

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=PennSkinsFan;593630]Here is our annual Offensive Line rant, just coming a bit early this year.

[URL="http://dcprosportsreport.com/2009/09/is-randy-thomas-the-outer-bands-of-a-bad-storm-coming.html"][B]http://dcprosportsreport.com/2009/09/is-randy-thomas-the-outer-bands-of-a-bad-storm-coming.html[/B][/URL][/quote] Rather than rant, let's look at this a little more objectively. Snyder has invested in the OL, it's just been through FA and contract resturctures. Jansen and Thomas restructures in 2007 are what have really hurt. If they both could've been productive through this year we'd have been much better off. No one could forsee both breaking down they way they did after being durable for most of their careers. Dock was a great FA signing. Rabach was a great FA signing in 2005. Samuels has been locked up for the remainder of his career.

I agree more emphasis could've been put on OL in the later rounds, but think about these things:
- Would you have passed on Orakpo at # 13?
- Trading down in 2008 and picking up DT was a good move in that draft, most had him as the #1 rated WR and all the premier OTs & DEs we targeted were gone. Our Smurf-sized WRs was a big complaint that off-season.
- Wasn't OLB an area of need in 2007 when we took Rocky.
- In 2006 didn't we need a CB pretty bad when we took Rogers. Later in the draft, Gibbs made the decision on moving up to get Campbell, not Snyderatto.

Outside of a couple of plays, Rabach and Heyer have been solid. Not sure who Reid's "NFL Insiders" are but if both Rabach & Heyer we doing so poorly we wouldn't have put up the production we did against the Rams and we wouldn't have averaged 4.0 per rush and given up only two sacks against the Giants.

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=T.O.Killa;593651]Wow the Redskins insiders are always so hard on the front office. I think his assesment of the Oline is a little to harsh. They have not been that bad. They gave up two sacks to the most fierce pass rush in the NFL. Heyer has been decent, and I expect him to continue to get better. Anyway here is the story.
[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/play-calling-isnt-the-only-pro.html#more"]Redskins Insider - Play-Calling Isn't the Only Problem[/URL][/quote]
[I]
" In their internal offseason evaluation of the roster, the Redskins identified the offensive line as their main deficiency." [/I]

And then, Dockery aside, we did nothing to address said main deficiency. Still baffles me. And please, no one give me Mike Williams as addressing the line. He's the offensive equivalent of Erasmus James.

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;593662]Rather than rant, let's look at this a little more objectively. Snyder has invested in the OL, it's just been through FA and contract resturctures. Jansen and Thomas restructures in 2007 are what have really hurt. If they both could've been productive through this year we'd have been much better off. No one could forsee both breaking down they way they did after being durable for most of their careers. Dock was a great FA signing. Rabach was a great FA signing in 2005. Samuels has been locked up for the remainder of his career.

I agree more emphasis could've been put on OL in the later rounds, but think about these things:
- Would you have passed on Orakpo at # 13?
- Trading down in 2008 and picking up DT was a good move in that draft, most had him as the #1 rated WR and all the premier OTs & DEs we targeted were gone. Our Smurf-sized WRs was a big complaint that off-season.
- Wasn't OLB an area of need in 2007 when we took Rocky.
- In 2006 didn't we need a CB pretty bad when we took Rogers. Later in the draft, Gibbs made the decision on moving up to get Campbell, not Snyderatto.

Outside of a couple of plays, Rabach and Heyer have been solid. Not sure who Reid's "NFL Insiders" are but if both Rabach & Heyer we doing so poorly we wouldn't have put up the production we did against the Rams and we wouldn't have averaged 4.0 per rush and given up only two sacks against the Giants.[/quote]
I agree. I like what they have done in the last two years. Orakpo was just not passable. They took the best player available. I think that next year they will adress it further. Vinny Cerrato has done a good job at making picks when he has the oppurtunity.

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=T.O.Killa;593651]Wow the Redskins insiders are always so hard on the front office. I think his assesment of the Oline is a little to harsh. They have not been that bad. They gave up two sacks to the most fierce pass rush in the NFL. Heyer has been decent, and I expect him to continue to get better. Anyway here is the story.
[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/play-calling-isnt-the-only-pro.html#more"]Redskins Insider - Play-Calling Isn't the Only Problem[/URL][/quote]Another issue I have is with the comparisons from Gibbs 1 to the current times. We have these things called a salary cap and FA now that we didn't need to worry about the first go-round. If those weren't there we'd be contenders every year like the Red Sox & Yankees. Everyone would want to come here because like the Squire, Snyder would spend whatever it took to win.

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;593670]Another issue I have is with the comparisons from Gibbs 1 to the current times. We have these things called a salary cap and FA now that we didn't need to worry about the first go-round. If those weren't there we'd be contenders every year like the Red Sox & Yankees. Everyone would want to come here because like the Squire, Snyder would spend whatever it took to win.[/quote]
People seem to forget that. We were the highest payed team in the league. Most people did not know that. Another thing people forget is that we had a very good GM, Bobby Bethard, that Joe Gibbs ran out of town, in 1990. It was said that they had fierce arguments over young versus old players. Joe Gibbs wanting to go with veterans and Bethard want to go with youth. I remember feeling betrayed by Gibbs for costing us Bethard and then abruptly retiring, like a year or two later. Bethard went on to take the Chargers to a superbowl, while the Redskins went on to be one of the worst teams in the NFL.

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=Buster;593635]It has. Chad Rhinehart is starting.[/quote]


[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/rinehart-montgomery-to-compete.html]Redskins Insider - Rinehart, Montgomery to Compete for Line Spot[/url]

Still no decision. Guess they are waiting till game time. Zorn definitly has no confidence in Rino.

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=mlmpetert;594235][url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/rinehart-montgomery-to-compete.html]Redskins Insider - Rinehart, Montgomery to Compete for Line Spot[/url]

Still no decision. Guess they are waiting till game time. [B]Zorn definitly has no confidence in Rino.[/B][/quote]

How did you come to that conclusion?

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=mlmpetert;594235][url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/rinehart-montgomery-to-compete.html]Redskins Insider - Rinehart, Montgomery to Compete for Line Spot[/url]

Still no decision. Guess they are waiting till game time. [B]Zorn definitly has no confidence in Rino.[/B][/quote]

Yup, this has nothing to do with possibly Wil Montgomery doing a good job. No sir, it HAS to be something negative. :doh:

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;594243]How did you come to that conclusion?[/quote]

I was going to ask that same question.

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=GMScud;593665][I]
" In their internal offseason evaluation of the roster, the Redskins identified the offensive line as their main deficiency." [/I]

And then, Dockery aside, we did nothing to address said main deficiency. Still baffles me. And please, no one give me Mike Williams as addressing the line. He's the offensive equivalent of Erasmus James.[/quote]

This is the bottom line IMHO...the oline is marginally better than last year's and that's prior to the Thomas injury. This Sunday will be the real test.

...W. Montgomery was ok in run-blocking but struggled in the pass protection. My gut is it will be the same w/ Rinehart, and Heyer was being "held-up" by Randy. On the one had I won't be surprised if the right side is a disaster moving forward, on the other hand Fabini has been jobless w/ the trucking business in the toilet so he can always come back to fight his guts out ;)

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;594243]How did you come to that conclusion?[/quote]

[quote=Ruhskins;594245]Yup, this has nothing to do with possibly Wil Montgomery doing a good job. No sir, it HAS to be something negative. :doh:[/quote]


[quote=53Fan;594254]I was going to ask that same question.[/quote]


[SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]If Zorn had confidence in him wouldn’t he have already announced him as the starter immediately? He came out of preseason as the primary backup guard, only TWO weeks ago. Now he is sharing snaps for the position on Wednesday after at least a full day of practice. [/FONT][/SIZE]


[SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]Sure Montgomery filled in nicely, but I don’t see how 2.5 quarters override a decision made from Rino’s performance after training camp and a whole preseason of work, which occurred just weeks ago. Plus putting Montgomery in, means the “game day” back up would have to take over any special teams duties Will has/had. Plus it means in the event that Rabach goes down either Rino or Edwin Williams would come in at center or Montgomery would slide down to center and Rino (or someone else) comes in at guard. [/FONT][/SIZE]


[SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]Not trying to spin anything here or make things sound even more negative, just making a fairly obvious statement: Zorn does NOT have confidence in Rino, otherwise he would have been named the starter by now. [/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]Yeah saying Zorn has no confidence in Rino is slightly speculating but honestly can anyone explain another possibility where Zorn DOES have confidence in Rino, but won’t name him the starter? Is he trying to keep the Lions “guessing” and game planning around our guard position…… what a tatic...[/FONT][/SIZE]

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;594243]How did you come to that conclusion?[/quote]

I'd say the fact that Reinhardt didn't dress this past Sunday.

Armstrong was allowed to fill in for Thomas vs. Rams because because he had his helment and shoulderpads on. If Reinhardt was a formidable backup he would have been dressed and ready to go on Sunday.

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

Well Zorn seems to be saying good things about Rinehart. I don't think the fact he hasn't been named the starter is an obvious sign Zorn has no confidence in Rinehart.

[QUOTE]Chad Rinehart, the third-round pick in 2008 who has yet to suit up, could be named the starter.

“We have liked him in there with the starting group because they have helped him rise up,” Zorn said.[/QUOTE]

[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Zorn_Hopes_to_Make_Right_Decision_At_Right_Guard_52542.jsp]Zorn Looks to Make Right Decision At Right Guard[/url]

[QUOTE]Asked how Rinehart looked, Zorn replied: “Chad was strong. I saw him battling. I saw Will battling in there, too.”[/QUOTE]

[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Rinehart__Montgomery_Split_Reps_At_Right_Guard_58355.jsp]Rinehart, Montgomery Split Reps At Right Guard[/url]

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=Skinny Tee;594425]I'd say the fact that Reinhardt didn't dress this past Sunday.

Armstrong was allowed to fill in for Thomas vs. Rams because because he had his helment and shoulderpads on. If Reinhardt was a formidable backup he would have been dressed and ready to go on Sunday.[/quote]

Well we've already been through the whole "Armstrong" plays C/G, versatile backup, can't have too many active backup linemen because they can't contribute on special teams, and with Barnes and Smoot both inactive we had to make a decision of who should be active and it made more sense to have Mason than Rinehart active ordeal...so we won't rehash that.

And isn't this the second time you've brought up this mysterious Armstrong??

Re: Offensive line depth (R. Thomas' injury)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;594427]Well Zorn seems to be saying good things about Rinehart. I don't think the fact he hasn't been named the starter is an obvious sign [B]Zorn has no confidence in Rinehart[/B].



[URL="http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Zorn_Hopes_to_Make_Right_Decision_At_Right_Guard_52542.jsp"]Zorn Looks to Make Right Decision At Right Guard[/URL]



[URL="http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Rinehart__Montgomery_Split_Reps_At_Right_Guard_58355.jsp"]Rinehart, Montgomery Split Reps At Right Guard[/URL][/quote]

Yeah me saying Zorn has NO confidence is a a little strong, i take that back.

Gald to see hes saying good things i just wish things were settle on the oline and the player likely in for the rest of the seasons (and beyond) was taking all the snaps right now.