Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=FRPLG;614623]Exactly...and this is what we need. A culture change. Forget the who's and the how's. We need a culture change in the FO of this org. To me Gibbs seems like the perfect guy for that. Almost without fail the people he brings in as football guys are good in terms of football and just plain management style. I would argue our product on the field when Gibbs was here the second time was not reflective of the better culture he worked to build. Given the opportunity to step back from coaching and personnel he might be able to actually effect some permanent change to the FO instead on the temporary we had while he was here.[/quote]

Also, we have been questioning why we went from 6-2 to 2-6. Perhaps part of that 6-2 was residual from the team coming together under Gibbs. I would proffer that, the only times that Team Turmoil has not reigned around here was during Gibbs tenure. Smoot has already pointed out that he cleaned up the business side of some of the more petty types. Perhaps the culture was on its way to changing but it couldn't survive VC's universally condemned interpersonal skills (or lack thereof).

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=joeredskin;614635]also, we have been questioning why we went from 6-2 to 2-6. Perhaps part of that 6-2 was residual from the team coming together under gibbs. I would proffer that, the only times that team turmoil has not reigned around here was during gibbs tenure. Smoot has already pointed out that he cleaned up the business side of some of the more petty types. Perhaps the culture was on its way to changing but it couldn't survive vc's universally condemned interpersonal skills (or lack thereof).[/quote]

+ 100

Re: Dan Snyder: Please Don't Bring Back Joe Gibbs
 

[quote=skinsguy;614610]Why are you going back to draft picks? This position has nothing to do with player personnel. This is about someone who could build an organization up from the front office (which is where it NEEDS improvement) and those guys that are hired are the ones who build the team. Gibbs never owned a racing team in his life. He built the team and the team won championships. Why would you think he could not do this with football, a sport that he has been successful with as a coach?[/quote]

Well said, not sure why some are so stuck on personnel, that's not what this potential position seems to be about.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=12thMan;614629]On that same note, I also don't think him selling the team is the solution either. But if Snyder is still in the picture, I'm still not sure how much Gibbs can affect the culture.[/quote]I definitely have similar questions. But if Snyder would ever just hand it over to someone it would be Gibbs. He loves the man. My biggest hesitation is whether Gibbs himself has the personality to come in and tell Snyder go away. He was far more deferential with Snyder than he should have been in my estimation. And I don't understand why. I get the feeling that Gibbs is a big chain-of-command type guy and with Snyder being his "boss" he didn't ever throw his rather hefty football weight around.To me a guy like Gibbs has the credentials to look DS in the eye and tell him he shouldn't ever be involved with a real football decision ever again and if DS doesn't like it then Gibbs can walk. Parcells would...Belicheck would...Bill Walsh would. Would Gibbs? Or would he just try to make it work? I'm not sure. We all want a GM. More importantly what we all want is DS NOT MAKING ANY MORE FOOTBALL DECISIONS.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

Maybe I'm thick as mud, but I still don't understand the strategy here. Look, it's not like Gibbs wasn't here just a little while ago.

[B]My question, among others, are these:[/B]

1)Did Gibbs just realize the Skins need a GM or did he feel this way during his second stint? Surely Gibbs, above all people, understands the value of having a football guy run the team and pick talent.

2) So why did he come here knowing Danny wasn't going to get a GM and leave not impressing upon to get a GM?

So either Gibbs and Danny have had a change of heart [I]or[/I] Gibbs thought the front office structure was fine the way he left it. If it's the latter, that informs me a little bit.


[B]Statement:[/B]

Yes, Gibbs is an asset. No doubt about it. But why a limited "operational role". It just seems like more tinkering to me and we need a fundamental shift in front office strategy. I guess I would rather see all in or all out. Enough with the PR, Danny only listens to Gibbs BS. To me that strategy is just as flawed as the one we've had. Because if Gibbs is the only guy that can get him see the light, so to speak, then all of Snyder's eggs are still in one basket. And that's dangerous. It's like putting all your chips on red in Vegas. Am I reading too much into Gibbs role, not enough?

Am I just angry and don't care anymore?

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

While I love Gibbs and what he has done for this once great franchise and the fans at some point we cannot keep thinking that Joe can dig us out of the holes we create.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=TheSmurfs22;614811]While I love Gibbs and what he has done for this once great franchise and the fans at some point we cannot keep thinking that Joe can dig us out of the holes we create.[/quote]
Do you not think he can do it?

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

Joe Gibbs or George Allen are the only ones who could pull us out of this mess. Too bad Georg isnt around but his son is???

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

if joe gibbs comes back to the organization, tim tebow will be a redskin. both devout christians, one reason he brought brunell in many seemed to think. plus looks like we will need a qb.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

Last time we won a SB=Gibbs

Last time we went to the playoffs=Gibbs

If gibbs never retired the 2nd before zorn came in, I bet we would be a top nfl team.

Why are people not liking this idea?

Do you have a better one???

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=Big C;614948]if joe gibbs comes back to the organization, tim tebow will be a redskin. both devout christians, one reason he brought brunell in many seemed to think. plus looks like we will need a qb.[/quote]

Need some help getting to the drunk thread?

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

Gibbs says he's not coming back:

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d813ab4b5&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Gibbs says he's not returning to Redskins[/url]

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=Paintrain;615011]Gibbs says he's not coming back:

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d813ab4b5&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Gibbs says he's not returning to Redskins[/url][/quote]

Not to pick on the story, but they say we are 3-3, sadly we are not, they say fans are calling for Zorns job, and while some are, seems like most of the anger is pointed at Snyder and Cerrato. Hopefully their facts with respect to Gibbs are just as accurate.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=Paintrain;615011]Gibbs says he's not coming back:

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d813ab4b5&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Gibbs says he's not returning to Redskins[/url][/quote]

The article also mentions the Skins are 3-3.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;615013]The article also mentions the Skins are 3-3.[/quote]

No it doesn't..it states the fact that we are 2-4, and Joe disagreed coaching the Redskins is one of the toughest coaching jobs in the NFL.

I don't think Joe would show his hand if he remotely planned or was even thinking about coming back in any capacity.

Gibbs laughed Sunday at Martinsville Speedway when asked about rumors and Internet reports that he could return to the team as an advisor or even general manager.

He says he disagrees with the idea that the Redskins coaching job is one of the toughest in the NFL and pointed to the [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=ten"]Tennessee Titans[/URL] as proof that success in the NFL is hard. The Titans were an NFL-best 13-3 last season, but are 0-6 this year.

The Redskins are 2-4 entering their Monday night game against Philadelphia, despite having set an NFL record by playing six teams all seeking their first victory.


The start has caused fans to call for coach Jim Zorn to be fired.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

Here is from the article:[QUOTE][B]Gibbs says he disagrees with the idea that the Redskins coaching job is one of the toughest in the NFL[/B] and pointed to the Tennessee Titans as proof that success in the league is hard. The Titans were an NFL-best 13-3 last season, but they are 0-6 this year.

The[B] Redskins are 3-3[/B] entering their Monday night game against the Philadelphia Eagles, despite having set an NFL record by playing six teams all seeking their first victory.[B] The start has caused fans to call for coach Jim Zorn to be fired[/B].[/QUOTE]

Just seems like a sloppy job of reporting

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

Joe has to be scratching his head.....

He wasn't out the door for 5 minutes and the circus was back in town. Dan and/OR VINNY LEARNED NOTHING! If they would have we would have Gregg Williams here running the show.

Redskin Insider:

Posted at 2:34 PM ET, 10/25/2009
Gibbs addresses those Redskins rumors

Joe Gibbs addressed those rumors about a return to football at a NASCAR race Sunday in Martinsville, Va.

He laughed, according to the Associated Press report, when he was asked at Martinsville Speedway about rumors and Internet reports that he could return to the team as an adviser or general manager.

"That's what it is. Talk," he said. "Right here's where I'm GMing."

Gibbs disputed the idea that coaching the Redskins is made tougher by management.

"When I was there last go-round, we had somebody that was a passionate owner, cared about things and supported me in every way," he said. "I think any NFL team, it's tough when you're not winning, and those things are easy to get off. All you've got to do is look around this year and Tennessee and some of the other teams are struggling that were real good last year."

[B]As for NFL teams' fortunes and fan impatience, he said: "It's easy to get 'em off and I think it takes a while to get them straightened out. Hopefully we get it going there [in Washington][/B]. I think it's pro sports. The fans are passionate and they want a winner, but I think that's part of pro sports."

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;615029]Joe has to be scratching his head.....

He wasn't out the door for 5 minutes and the circus was back in town. Dan and/OR VINNY LEARNED NOTHING! If they would have we would have Gregg Williams here running the show.

Redskin Insider:

Posted at 2:34 PM ET, 10/25/2009
Gibbs addresses those Redskins rumors

Joe Gibbs addressed those rumors about a return to football at a NASCAR race Sunday in Martinsville, Va.

[b][SIZE=4]He laughed[/SIZE][b], according to the Associated Press report, when he was asked at Martinsville Speedway about rumors and Internet reports that he could return to the team as an adviser or general manager.

"That's what it is. Talk," he said. "Right here's where I'm GMing."

Gibbs disputed the idea that coaching the Redskins is made tougher by management.
[/quote]

So he laughed at the idea?!?!

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;615029]Joe has to be scratching his head.....

He wasn't out the door for 5 minutes and the circus was back in town. Dan and/OR VINNY LEARNED NOTHING! If they would have we would have Gregg Williams here running the show.

Redskin Insider:

Posted at 2:34 PM ET, 10/25/2009
Gibbs addresses those Redskins rumors

Joe Gibbs addressed those rumors about a return to football at a NASCAR race Sunday in Martinsville, Va.

He laughed, according to the Associated Press report, when he was asked at Martinsville Speedway about rumors and Internet reports that he could return to the team as an adviser or general manager.

"That's what it is. Talk," he said. "Right here's where I'm GMing."

Gibbs disputed the idea that coaching the Redskins is made tougher by management.

"When I was there last go-round, we had somebody that was a passionate owner, cared about things and supported me in every way," he said. "I think any NFL team, it's tough when you're not winning, and those things are easy to get off. All you've got to do is look around this year and Tennessee and some of the other teams are struggling that were real good last year."

[B]As for NFL teams' fortunes and fan impatience, he said: "It's easy to get 'em off and I think it takes a while to get them straightened out. Hopefully we get it going there [in Washington][/B]. I think it's pro sports. The fans are passionate and they want a winner, but I think that's part of pro sports."[/quote]


Gibbs being Gibbs, meaning a class act, but too PC during this instance.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

Maybe its nitpicking but this article talks about Gibbs saying he won't come back to be GM. That was never what the rumors were about anyway...it was about him being President or consultant to hire a GM & coach. So Gibbs could still do all those things in spite of what he said today.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=reppinredskins;614950]Last time we won a SB=Gibbs

Last time we went to the playoffs=Gibbs

If gibbs never retired the 2nd before zorn came in, I bet we would be a top nfl team.

Why are people not liking this idea?

Do you have a better one???[/quote]
mmm sensationalists

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=celts32;615070]Maybe its nitpicking but this article talks about Gibbs saying he won't come back to be GM. That was never what the rumors were about anyway...it was about him being President or consultant to hire a GM & coach. So Gibbs could still do all those things in spite of what he said today.[/quote]

I thought it said advisor or general manager. I'm certain they (Snyder and Gibbs) have been talking recently. More Snyder talking and Gibbs listening, but I still believe he's not coming back.

What's interesting to me though is that in the last 8 months Gibbs has basically told both Zorn and Campbell to toughen up and deal with it.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=SmootSmack;615088]I thought it said advisor or general manager. I'm certain they (Snyder and Gibbs) have been talking recently. More Snyder talking and Gibbs listening, but I still believe he's not coming back.

[B]What's interesting to me though is that in the last 8 months Gibbs has basically told both Zorn and Campbell to toughen up and deal with it.[/B][/quote]

Why is that interesting per se? Both guys have shown literally nothing this season so I think anybody looking at the Redskins has to say it.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

He's already an extended consultant or team president of sorts. I don't know why he's laughing it off, i's not so far off that he'd be considered.

He's the one that entertains adivising Snyder still after he left the team.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=Skinny Tee;615103]He's already an extended consultant or team president of sorts. [B]I don't know why he's laughing it off, i's not so far off that he'd be considered.[/B]

He's the one that entertains adivising Snyder still after he left the team.[/quote]

Article says Joe laughed at the rumor that he [B]would [B]return[/B][/B] to the Redskins, not that he's "being considered."

I would've laughed, too. Howled even. It's one thing to take Snyder's call to throw a few bones and ask about the family; it's another to become president on Snyder's dime, "Joe, 11pm meeting Prime Rib...Joe, hope your grandson's well, but Riggins is talking again...Joe, Redskin One's flying you to Denver...Joe, need you to talk to Buges...Joe...Joe...Joe..."

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=The Goat;615096]Why is that interesting per se? Both guys have shown literally nothing this season so I think anybody looking at the Redskins has to say it.[/quote]

Well there's been a lot of "woe are Campbell and Zorn...stuck with Vinny and Snyder. No one can ever succeed with them"

And Gibbs is saying "Bullshit. You're a QB and a head coach in the NFL. If you can't handle the pressure then get out"

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

Prophetic wisdom........

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

I'm not sure Gibbs would be much help to us in that role anyway. He was never very good as a personnel man. What would lead anyone to believe he's got the know-how to point us in the direction of a general manager?

The best thing Gibbs could do for this team is to be on the sidelines with a headset. And that's not going to happen.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=Beemnseven;615164]I'm not sure Gibbs would be much help to us in that role anyway. He was never very good as a personnel man. What would lead anyone to believe he's got the know-how to point us in the direction of a general manager?

The best thing Gibbs could do for this team is to be on the sidelines with a headset. And that's not going to happen.[/quote]


Which position? IF he came back (and I doubt he will now) it would be as Team President. He wouldn't be picking the players, he would choose a GM and a head coach. The guy built a championship team in NASCAR, why couldn't he do it in football?

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=SmootSmack;615088]I thought it said advisor or general manager. I'm certain they (Snyder and Gibbs) have been talking recently. More Snyder talking and Gibbs listening, but I still believe he's not coming back.

What's interesting to me though is that in the last 8 months Gibbs has basically told both Zorn and Campbell to toughen up and deal with it.[/quote]

Okay but I was thinking more about what Gibbs said. He was like I am not GMing anywhere but here but he didn't say specifically he wouldn't do anything with the Skins. I don't think Gibbs is the kind of man to give half truth answers like that though so I am sure he meant that he's not coming back at all.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

[quote=celts32;615235]Okay but I was thinking more about what Gibbs said. He was like I am not GMing anywhere but here but he didn't say specifically he wouldn't do anything with the Skins. I don't think Gibbs is the kind of man to give half truth answers like that though so I am sure he meant that he's not coming back at all.[/quote]

True. Gibbs' word is to be trusted 100%.

Re: PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back
 

I saw Joe just walking around the stage after Denny won yesterday. Everyone one else had gone. He was there with one of the grandkids just looking at the hat they give the team after winning a race. He looked like an old man waiting for the morning buffet to open at 5:00AM.

He says he's GMing. In truth he's just floating around and doing the things he likes, his Ministry For Life I think it is. JD is the GM of JGR and everyone knows it. Joe is basically retired. If he did come back as team president he'd work for a little while until he found a GM, and then he'd just kick back and float like he's doing now. Whether that's a good thing or not, I don't know? I don't see him giving up his cruise control lifestyle; he's earned it.