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[quote=SmootSmack;630419]What about Grimm's lack of playcalling experience? After Zorn, this doesn't concern people?[/quote]

i've said it before, but i dont get all the love for Grimm (as our HC here). he's never done a thing to show he would be even remotely successful in a HC job. some fans just dont understand that being a great redskin player under joe Gibbs doesnt equate to being the best HC for this team since Joe Gibbs.

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[quote=Zorn on the 4th of July;630412]It [I]has[/I] to be Russ Grimm. The planets are aligning. This is his destiny.

Redskins history aside, here's his official title with the Arizona Cardinals: "Asst. Head Coach/Running Game Coordinator/Offensive Line."

Perfect, right? Especially considering all those new O-lineman we're gonna have next season. Especially considering the only way we seem to win is when we run the ball. Especially considering Cowher may take the helm in Dallas. Read Grimm's full bio on the Cards' website. Tell me it's not perfect.

I know a lot of people are jaded with coordinators, but we can't keep retreading old coaches. Does anyone on the list of available former HCs inspire total confidence? To me only Cowher is acceptable, but a previous post mentioning his desire to "coach a warm weather team" totally turns me off. I don't want somebody who misses coaching and wants to pick up a few more wins before retiring again. I want somebody who wants THE WASHINGTON REDSKINS to be winners. I want somebody who, when the poop hits the fan (and a rookie O-lineman blocks the wrong guy), [B]doesn't feel buyer's remorse for coming off the golf course[/B], I want somebody who gets [B]PISSED OFF[/B].

It HAS to be Russ Grimm.

[B]My 2010 Head Coach Checklist[/B]

RUSS GRIMM
-- NOT previously fired: CHECK
-- NOT coming out of retirement: CHECK
-- NOT inexperienced: CHECK
-- Previous ties to Redskins organization: CHECK
-- Able to physically intimidate front office: CHECK
-- Confirmed badass: CHECK (x2)
-- Super Bowl rings: CHECK (x4)
-- Run/O-line-oriented: CHECK (x1 billion)

Ladies and gentlemen, I humbly submit my nominee for the new head coach of the Washington Redskins, the distinguished gentleman from Western Pennsylvania, Mr. Russ Grimm.[/quote]

If you want Grimm over Gruden, Cowher, Shannhan, etc... god bless you becasue you are basically hiring a tough guy Jim Zorn.

Look at your check list:

RUSS GRIMM
-- NOT previously fired: CHECK, [I]don't know how that makes him a good HC[/I]
-- NOT coming out of retirement: CHECK [I]see above[/I]
-- NOT inexperienced: CHECK [I]never been a HC[/I]
-- Previous ties to Redskins organization: CHECK [I]ok so what[/I]
-- Able to physically intimidate front office: CHECK [I]how do you even know this[/I]
-- Confirmed badass: CHECK (x2) [I]ok again how do you know this[/I]
-- Super Bowl rings: CHECK (x4) [I]not as a HC[/I]
-- Run/O-line-oriented: CHECK (x1 billion) [I]good point[/I]

Basically Grimm is a bigger risk then hiring a proven HC, not as big of a risk as Zorn but damn close.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;630460]i've said it before, but i dont get all the love for Grimm (as our HC here). he's never done a thing to show he would be even remotely successful in a HC job. [B]some fans just dont understand that being a great redskin player under joe Gibbs doesnt equate to being the best HC for this team since Joe Gibbs[/B].[/quote]


Thank you!

Now lets talk about getting this Monk guy in here he looks like an awesome HC candidate. J/K

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By the way, kind of interesting that Shanahan accepted a chance to speak with the Bills but reportedly Cowher and Holmgren both declined

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[B]"some fans just dont understand that being a great redskin player under joe Gibbs doesnt equate to being the best HC for this team since Joe Gibbs."[/B]

The criticisms leveled against Grimm as a candidate for HC are very fair (many of the items in my checklist were intended as a joke), but I actually think the risk in picking him is worth the reward. Here are some highlights from his bio that I think are most relevant to the needs of the team (I couldn't post a link because I haven't posted enough threads yet):
[LIST][*]He joined the Steelers staff in 2001 as only the second offensive line coach in Bill Cowher's tenure and made an instant impact in developing the Pittsburgh’s offensive line. Grimm's value to the coaching staff was recognized by Cowher, who promoted Grimm to assistant head coach prior to the 2004 season, [B]the only coach to hold that title under Cowher.[/B][*]In 2008, Grimm’s [B]five regular offensive linemen started all 20 games during the regular season and postseason including Super Bowl XLIII.[/B] The offense finished with a top five ranking (4th overall) for the second consecutive season and rookie running back Tim Hightower set a franchise rookie mark with 10 rushing touchdowns.[*](In 2007) His offensive line allowed only 24 sacks, [B]6th best in the NFL and the fewest given up by the Cardinals since 1978 (22)[/B]. Grimm’s offensive line also paved the way for running back Edgerrin James to rush for 1,222 yards, the fifth best total in team history. The Cardinals offense finished with the 5th best passing attack in the NFL and threw for a team record 32 touchdowns.[*]The 2006 Steelers offensive line helped pave the way for running back Willie Parker to gain 1,494 yards and 13 touchdowns on 337 carries (4.4 yard avg.) and earn his first Pro Bowl selection. Pittsburgh’s offense finished the 2006 season with the 10th best rushing attack in the NFL, helping to give the Steelers the 7th ranked total offense in the league.[*]Under Grimm’s guidance in 2005, the Super Bowl champion Steelers averaged nearly 140 yards rushing per game during the regular season to rank fifth in the NFL while also grinding out 181 rushing yards in their Super Bowl XL victory over the Seattle Seahawks.[*]He is credited with the development of Washington tackles Jon Jansen and five-time Pro Bowler Chris Samuels, who each earned starting spots as rookies on the Redskins' offensive line.[/LIST]
And of his 4 Super Bowl rings: yes, none were earned as a head coach. However, he can inspire players with his rings earned as a player, the fourth ring means he's seen what it takes to coach a Super Bowl winner, and he was only a few plays away from having a fifth ring with the Cardinals.

The Cardinals rise to legitimacy coincided with Kurt Warner's rejuvination, which has to be credited in part to the O-linemen watching his back and the running backs shouldering a huge part of the offensive load. One of those RBs was a past-his prime Edgerrin James! Kurt Warner! Edgerrin James!!!

He's still number one on my list for head coach, but I'll accept offensive coordinator under Cowher, and that's it. Props to the guy who first brought up Grimm as a potential candidate much earlier in this post. I never would have dug deeper.

There may be reasons why Grimm has never been a head coach, but not all of those reasons are necessarily his fault. He has consistently improved the teams he has been a part of. Period. The fact that he is a Washington legend is merely a bonus.

We're going to have an all-new line next season, and our quarterback is going to be Jason Campbell or "the new guy," both needing serious protection. Our running back is going to be Clinton Portis or "the new guy." Why not pick up the man who kept Kurt Warner and Edgerrin James relevant for a few extra seasons?

We can pick up a guy who can hold his clipboard with a ring on every finger except his thumb. We can pick up a guy who can tell stories about what the town and the fans used to be like when we weren't just winning, but other teams were afraid of us. All of the available head coaches coming out of the broadcast booth were either fired, or their fire for being a coach had cooled enough for them to walk away from the game. That doesn't sit well with me. Grimm has never been demoted and he has a solid resume of improving the players under his command.

Nothing I've mentioned except his ability to connect with our current players has anything to do with Joe Gibbs. Since 1992, I've been one of those "next year will be our year" guys. Well, 2010 won't be our year, no matter who we bring in. This isn't about being the next Joe Gibbs. This is about playing the best football we can with the roster we have. I'll say it again: Grimm created an atmosphere of success for Kurt Warner and Edgerrin James. Kurt Warner played in the Super Bowl. In 2009. For the Arizona Cardinals.

Grimm is a solid coach and the best candidate for HC. The only thing that will convince me otherwise is confirmed evidence of communication, intellectual or character defects that would obviously prevent him from being successful.

Your move, Grimm doubters.

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You're making a case for Grimm to be offensive line coach it seems.

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[quote=SmootSmack;630609]You're making a case for Grimm to be offensive line coach it seems.[/quote]

More than anything, I'm convinced Grimm needs to be involved in the rehabilitation of the Redskins program in SOME capacity, and simply being the o-line coach is actually a demotion for Grimm considering his current position in Arizona. The only thing I'd accept (and probably Grimm, too) short of head coach is assistant head coach/offensive coordinator, specifically under Bill Cowher, his mentor in Pittsburgh.

At that point he'd be in prime position to take the reigns from Cowher when Cowher moves on OR Grimm proves himself to be enough of a polarizing figure that his unspoken "head-coach-in-waiting" agreement with the front office is not honored at the critical moment (SEE: Gregg Williams).

I think it's plausible that Cowher calls Grimm if he takes the Redskins job, and I already like the nucleus of that coaching staff. If we MUST take one of the NFL HC-retreads that seem to be leading every team's coach wish-list, then we should consider the staff they'll assemble. Taking the staff into account, I'd go with Cowher.

What gives Grimm the slight edge over Cowher is that he's never walked away from the NFL. He stopped playing in 1991 and in 1992 he was coaching. There would be no longing glances at a golf course or a broadcast booth. No re-adjustment period.

But, if everybody's nervous about Grimm as HC, let's bring in Cowher, pray he calls Grimm in Arizona, and evaluate his potential firsthand.

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More importantly the only thing he would bring to the table is building a better offensive O-line. No different then Zorn was supposed to bring a better QB to the table. I'm with the critizism crowd.....has Grimm called plays or designed plays with the Steelers or Cardinals? Is he calling plays now? or is all he doing is working with the O-line.

I don't have a problem bringing him in to replace Buges cause I think he has the knowledge of Buges scheme and most likely a newer version, but I think you will be hard pressed to take him away from the Cards unless his contract is up, fired, or named HC. I would be supprised if he got a HCing job soon. I hope I'm wrong and he proves me wrong. Maybe he will get a shot from the likes of the Browns or Buffalo and he brings in a qualified OC to call plays. Who knows.

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[quote=SmootSmack;630474]By the way, kind of interesting that Shanahan accepted a chance to speak with the Bills but reportedly Cowher and Holmgren both declined[/quote]

are you suggesting that they already have secret deals in place somewhere?

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[quote=Zorn on the 4th of July;630618]More than anything, I'm convinced Grimm needs to be involved in the rehabilitation of the Redskins program in SOME capacity, and simply being the o-line coach is actually a demotion for Grimm considering his current position in Arizona. The only thing I'd accept (and probably Grimm, too) short of head coach is assistant head coach/offensive coordinator, specifically under Bill Cowher, his mentor in Pittsburgh.

At that point he'd be in prime position to take the reigns from Cowher when Cowher moves on OR Grimm proves himself to be enough of a polarizing figure that his unspoken "head-coach-in-waiting" agreement with the front office is not honored at the critical moment (SEE: Gregg Williams).

I think it's plausible that Cowher calls Grimm if he takes the Redskins job, and I already like the nucleus of that coaching staff. If we MUST take one of the NFL HC-retreads that seem to be leading every team's coach wish-list, then we should consider the staff they'll assemble. Taking the staff into account, I'd go with Cowher.

What gives Grimm the slight edge over Cowher is that he's never walked away from the NFL. He stopped playing in 1991 and in 1992 he was coaching. There would be no longing glances at a golf course or a broadcast booth. No re-adjustment period.

But, if everybody's nervous about Grimm as HC, let's bring in Cowher, pray he calls Grimm in Arizona, and evaluate his potential firsthand.[/quote]

I really like your idea, however wasn't that the implicit plan when Gibbs came back?? The FO totally ignored Gregg Williams (who will probably land a HC job at the end of this year), so should Cowher come here, what makes you think the FO will do anything different? We have seen they are oblivious to any mistakes they make.

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[quote=atomicnixon;630634]I really like your idea, however wasn't that the implicit plan when Gibbs came back?? [B]The FO totally ignored Gregg Williams[/B] (who will probably land a HC job at the end of this year), so should Cowher come here, what makes you think the FO will do anything different? We have seen they are oblivious to any mistakes they make.[/quote]

I was married once. I'm not anymore. Sometimes plans don't work out. Sometimes you find out you don't have what you think you had. Williams may have been treated badly or he may have brought it on himself. We really don't know.

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[quote=53Fan;630635]I was married once. I'm not anymore. Sometimes plans don't work out. Sometimes you find out you don't have what you think you had. Williams may have been treated badly or he may have brought it on himself. We really don't know.[/quote]

Good point, we really don't know. Given the past, I suspect Gregg Williams wanted the same authority that Marty had, but being bereft of it while Gibbs was here, I think Snyder wanted it back badly. Again, thats just my opinion, we just don't know.

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[quote=53Fan;630635]I was married once. I'm not anymore. Sometimes plans don't work out. Sometimes you find out you don't have what you think you had. Williams may have been treated badly or he may have brought it on himself. We really don't know.[/quote]
This is a point I do not understand how fans do not.....grasp. WE do not know what goes on behind the scenes. IN the FO. We are quick to accuse, indict and sentence when we have NO idea how things....really go down in the FO...........

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[quote=Zorn on the 4th of July;630606][B]"some fans just dont understand that being a great redskin player under joe Gibbs doesnt equate to being the best HC for this team since Joe Gibbs."[/B]

The criticisms leveled against Grimm as a candidate for HC are very fair (many of the items in my checklist were intended as a joke), but I actually think the risk in picking him is worth the reward. Here are some highlights from his bio that I think are most relevant to the needs of the team (I couldn't post a link because I haven't posted enough threads yet):
[LIST][*]He joined the Steelers staff in 2001 as only the second offensive line coach in Bill Cowher's tenure and made an instant impact in developing the Pittsburgh’s offensive line. Grimm's value to the coaching staff was recognized by Cowher, who promoted Grimm to assistant head coach prior to the 2004 season, [B]the only coach to hold that title under Cowher.[/B][*]In 2008, Grimm’s [B]five regular offensive linemen started all 20 games during the regular season and postseason including Super Bowl XLIII.[/B] The offense finished with a top five ranking (4th overall) for the second consecutive season and rookie running back Tim Hightower set a franchise rookie mark with 10 rushing touchdowns.[*](In 2007) His offensive line allowed only 24 sacks, [B]6th best in the NFL and the fewest given up by the Cardinals since 1978 (22)[/B]. Grimm’s offensive line also paved the way for running back Edgerrin James to rush for 1,222 yards, the fifth best total in team history. The Cardinals offense finished with the 5th best passing attack in the NFL and threw for a team record 32 touchdowns.[*]The 2006 Steelers offensive line helped pave the way for running back Willie Parker to gain 1,494 yards and 13 touchdowns on 337 carries (4.4 yard avg.) and earn his first Pro Bowl selection. Pittsburgh’s offense finished the 2006 season with the 10th best rushing attack in the NFL, helping to give the Steelers the 7th ranked total offense in the league.[*]Under Grimm’s guidance in 2005, the Super Bowl champion Steelers averaged nearly 140 yards rushing per game during the regular season to rank fifth in the NFL while also grinding out 181 rushing yards in their Super Bowl XL victory over the Seattle Seahawks.[*]He is credited with the development of Washington tackles Jon Jansen and five-time Pro Bowler Chris Samuels, who each earned starting spots as rookies on the Redskins' offensive line.[/LIST]And of his 4 Super Bowl rings: yes, none were earned as a head coach. However, he can inspire players with his rings earned as a player, the fourth ring means he's seen what it takes to coach a Super Bowl winner, and he was only a few plays away from having a fifth ring with the Cardinals.

The Cardinals rise to legitimacy coincided with Kurt Warner's rejuvination, which has to be credited in part to the O-linemen watching his back and the running backs shouldering a huge part of the offensive load. One of those RBs was a past-his prime Edgerrin James! Kurt Warner! Edgerrin James!!!

He's still number one on my list for head coach, but I'll accept offensive coordinator under Cowher, and that's it. Props to the guy who first brought up Grimm as a potential candidate much earlier in this post. I never would have dug deeper.

There may be reasons why Grimm has never been a head coach, but not all of those reasons are necessarily his fault. He has consistently improved the teams he has been a part of. Period. The fact that he is a Washington legend is merely a bonus.

We're going to have an all-new line next season, and our quarterback is going to be Jason Campbell or "the new guy," both needing serious protection. Our running back is going to be Clinton Portis or "the new guy." Why not pick up the man who kept Kurt Warner and Edgerrin James relevant for a few extra seasons?

We can pick up a guy who can hold his clipboard with a ring on every finger except his thumb. We can pick up a guy who can tell stories about what the town and the fans used to be like when we weren't just winning, but other teams were afraid of us. All of the available head coaches coming out of the broadcast booth were either fired, or their fire for being a coach had cooled enough for them to walk away from the game. That doesn't sit well with me. Grimm has never been demoted and he has a solid resume of improving the players under his command.

Nothing I've mentioned except his ability to connect with our current players has anything to do with Joe Gibbs. Since 1992, I've been one of those "next year will be our year" guys. Well, 2010 won't be our year, no matter who we bring in. This isn't about being the next Joe Gibbs. This is about playing the best football we can with the roster we have. I'll say it again: Grimm created an atmosphere of success for Kurt Warner and Edgerrin James. Kurt Warner played in the Super Bowl. In 2009. For the Arizona Cardinals.

Grimm is a solid coach and the best candidate for HC. The only thing that will convince me otherwise is confirmed evidence of communication, intellectual or character defects that would obviously prevent him from being successful.

Your move, Grimm doubters.[/quote]



Great read on Russ Grimm, but one thing that is overlooked in your post. The organization drafted talented lineman, we piss on drafting lineman. So he has stuff to work with. I dont think he could come here and make this class of clowns do much better than what buges is doing.

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I just don't get all the love for Russ Grimm. Never underestimate the power of nostalgia.

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I got to thinking about Shanahan since people have bursted my bubble with Marty and figured that if Shanahan is brought in he most likely would bring in his son from the Texans. I think they had a prime time game recently which I failed to look at with the mind set that the offense they use may show up here so I looked at the stats on NFL.com. Their not that impressive. Yes better then the Skins but not a whole lot better. I think they were middle of the pack in a lot of their stats except passing which was like top 10. The thing I noticed though is their rushing is below ours. I think they were like 30th in rushing.

Maybe dad Shanahan would help him out with some of these issues. My other concern is how many of the coaching staff he had in Denver would he be able to bring to Washington? We definitly would need the O-line coach unless he has someone else he knows who would be just as good or better. Would any of the coach's that stayed in Denver be available to come to Washington or are they unavailable due to contracts.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;630632]are you suggesting that they already have secret deals in place somewhere?[/quote]

I'm suggesting something seems off, but I have nothing to base it on

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[quote=Dirtbag359;630408]Personally I would like someone thats tough and established while not wanting to much power when it comes to making personnel decisions. Right now I think the Gruden/Allen combo would be our best bet, thats assuming of course that Gruden has an out clause.[/quote]

Adam Schefter on Cowherd yesterday said that Gruden's new deal with ESPN forbids him from taking a coaching job in 2010. So he's definitely out.

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[quote=Mattyk72;630693]Adam Schefter on Cowherd yesterday said that Gruden's new deal with ESPN forbids him from taking a coaching job in 2010. So he's definitely out.[/quote]

He's not necessarily forbidden, but it would be nearly impossible in 2010 and highly improbable in 2011.

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So does he have an out clause or not? Schefter said there's a less than zero % chance Gruden is back as a HC next year, and in all likelihood we won't see him until 2012 at the earliest.

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[quote=Mattyk72;630701]So does he have an out clause or not? Schefter said there's a less than zero % chance Gruden is back as a HC next year, and in all likelihood we won't see him until 2012 at the earliest.[/quote]

I don't know the specifics quite honestly, just have heard that if he wants out it could happen but it would cost him so much it wouldn't be worth it. But again I don't know any details

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Ahh ok, but of course any team that wants him could agree to pick up part of all of the penalty he would face.

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[quote=Mattyk72;630703]Ahh ok, but of course any team that wants him could agree to pick up part of all of the penalty he would face.[/quote]

I suppose, but I think Schefter is right that there's almost no chance. That's what most people here are saying.

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[quote=SBXVII;630323]Ya know what you all are pissing me off, raining on my parade! Did you all plan this?

First off was Matty (:) ) with his Shottenheimer won't be coming back. Then when I come back I see Matty pointing out that Marty has no wish to be a GM or HC ever again. Thanks friend.

Then freddy continues with the whole "don't be supprised it Zorn is retained".

Then 12th has to convincingly agree.

Then someone has to throw the aged old Blache in the mix for HC.

Thanks. Appreciate it. Better yet why hasn't someone mentioned Fassel? Definitly send me over the edge. :)[/quote]

I maintain, I don't think Zorn is gone "no matter what." The only caveat would be, as SS has mentioned, if Shanahan and his crew come to D.C. Gruden sounds like he's out, and I never thought Holmgren was a serious candidate for the gig to begin with. But you never know. Cowher, I guess it could happen but not likely it seems. Tony Dungy ain't coming here for sure.

So after you get through the top three or four big names, who's really left? And equally as important, who's seriously interested? A few guys that are a [I]little [/I]better than Jim Zorn? Unless we're bringing in someone with a lot playoff experience or Super Bowls under their belt, I'm leaning 60-40 for Zorn staying.

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My judgement has been kinda whack recently though. Afterall I was 99% convinced that CantonLegend was Clinton Portis. LOL I'll never forget that one.

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I can't see Snyder not taking a very serious run at Shanahan. If you ask me, Zorn is about 95% gone.

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[quote=Mattyk72;630727]I can't see Snyder not taking a very serious run at Shanahan. If you ask me, Zorn is about 95% gone.[/quote]

I wasn't sold on Shanahan at first, but now the idea is definitely growing on me. If he's Zorn's replacement, I can live with it. What would be a head scratcher would be us going after the next assistant with promise.

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[quote=12thMan;630725]I maintain, I don't think Zorn is gone "no matter what." The only caveat would be, as SS has mentioned, if Shanahan and his crew come to D.C. Gruden sounds like he's out, and I never thought Holmgren was a serious candidate for the gig to begin with. But you never know. Cowher, I guess it could happen but not likely it seems. Tony Dungy ain't coming here for sure.

So after you get through the top three or four big names, who's really left? And equally as important, who's seriously interested? A few guys that are a [I]little [/I]better than Jim Zorn? Unless we're bringing in someone with a lot playoff experience or Super Bowls under their belt, I'm leaning 60-40 for Zorn staying.[/quote]

I can't envision any scenario that Zorn keeps the job next year. Outside of his 6-2 start he's 5-13, the offense is still pathetic and his decision making has been very questionable at best. The team still plays hard for him but they're professionals, they'd better play hard for anyone.

A lot of you guys are REALLY underestimating how Snyder is perceived by people around the league. We see the results but they see a guy who can be meddlesome but is willing to spend any amount of money to get a player or players the team wants. Most coaches would love to work for a guy who is willing to just stroke checks to whomever he wants and above all wants to win.

At the end of the day, money talks louder than anything.

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[quote=Paintrain;630729]I can't envision any scenario that Zorn keeps the job next year. Outside of his 6-2 start he's 5-13, the offense is still pathetic and his decision making has been very questionable at best. The team still plays hard for him but they're professionals, they'd better play hard for anyone.

A lot of you guys are REALLY underestimating how Snyder is perceived by people around the league. We see the results but they see a guy who can be meddlesome but is willing to spend any amount of money to get a player or players the team wants. Most coaches would love to work for a guy who is willing to just stroke checks to whomever he wants and above all wants to win.

At the end of the day, money talks louder than anything.[/quote]

But do you think Shanahan would work for him?

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He would likely be the top paid coach in the league, he would have a say in personnel, and an owner willing to spend money. Why would Shanahan not want the job?

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Here's what I think:

Shanahan: If he wants it, it's his. $10+ million/year. President/HC. Kyle Shanahan is Asst. Head Coach-offense; Asst. Head Coach-defense Bob Slowik. Leinart or Rosenfels potential veteran QB. Competition for him will be fierce though

Holmgren: I don't think Snyder is quite his style. And I have heard Snyder isn't too enamored with him anyway

Dungy: Just took a position with the NFL league offices. I think he's happy not coaching

Cowher: I think Tomlin's success has taken some of the luster off of him in Snyder's eyes. But he's still a possibility. Cowher is a candidate for many places though-Cleveland, Carolina, and Houston for starters

Gruden: Not happening. It wasn't happening even before he signed his contract extension

Steve Marriucci: Fall-back option. Speaks often with Cerrato but he might be more likely for a place like Houston or even Seattle if Holmgren returns and cans Jim Mora Jr.

Jim Fassel: How many times can he be turned away at the last minute by the Redskins? If anything he'll go somewhere like Oakland or Buffalo

Jim Hasslett: No

Pete Carroll: Pete Carroll? Seriously? I think he takes one more stab at the NFL, but it won't be in DC. Dallas maybe?

Brian Billick: My sleeper pick to be our next coach. And he'll bring someone like DeCosta along with him

Charlie Weis: If Vinny stays (which he won't) Weis could be our next offensive coordinator, with Rob Ryan as head coach and Jimmy Clausen as QB. Really I don't see that happening

Gary Kubiak/Jim Mora Jr: Will get interviewed if available and Shanahan says no

Ron Meeks: Will get interviewed, and another sleeper pick

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First option would be to have success with Cerrato and Zorn, but that hasn't happened so far and doesn't seem to be on the horizon

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[quote=12thMan;630730]But do you think Shanahan would work for him?[/quote]

Absolutely. Shanahan would have no problems working for Snyder. You forget that Bowlen is another big personality owner, as is Al Davis and Shanny worked for both of them. He would fit in just fine with him.

I don't know if either would be the others first choice (I think Shanny would prefer Dallas with Jones and Snyder would've preferred Gruden) but for the right overall package I think Shanahan will come.

I agree with Smootsmack's description of a President of Football Ops role with bringing his son as the Asst. Head Coach/successor. Most of his drafting errors were on the defensive side of the ball, where we seem pretty decent. I don't know how Slowick will do here because apparently he's become enamored with a 3-4 defense and I don't think our key DL personnel (Haynesworth, Carter, Orapko, Jarmon) are ideally suited for that.

At this point I'm just kinda ready for whatever will happen to happen.

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Oh my god Smoot your killing me. The best we can do is Shanahan and Co.?

I agree:

Dungy-won't take it.
Gruden-should but most likely won't. Unless DS pays out his contract.
Cowher-would be nice but like you said most likely to Carolina.
Holmgren-I just don't see the balls to put DS in his place. Back to Seattle.
Marriucci-Might not be bad for continuity with scheme but again too timmid.
Billick-I have never been impressed with his offenses. I hope he goes elsewhere.
Fassel-He never had a good scheme. He's dying to get back into the league.

Then you add:

Hasslett
Carroll
Weis
Kubiak
Mora Jr.
Meeks

All very bad coach's. I'd definitly rather have DS make a special trip to see Marty and sweet talk him into taking the GM job and have his son Brian be HC. Otherwise look to raid the Colts and take Chris Polian as GM and the Asst. HC/WR coach and bring him in as HC. Maybe they could build something.

Jimmy Johnson anyone? LOL. Maybe he can use Dan Morino as QB coach and he gets his ring as a coach.

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Smoot, you also mentioned Rob Ryan. He's with the Browns right? I thought of him and wondered if we had no other qualified options would he not be an ok HC? I know he and his long hair are excetric but he has been a decent co-ordinator in the past. I don't know who he would bring in to run the offense and as you said if he came in he would most likely have to do a lot of work to change it to a 3-4 defense. Our draft picks are needed to beef up the O-line.

Re: Our next coach??
 

Never mind about Chris Polian:

[B]Chris Polian becomes Colts G.M.
Posted by Mike Florio on November 26, 2009 10:12 PM ET
Though Indianapolis Colts president Bill Polian isn't retiring any time soon, his son, Chris, has taken a big step closer toward replacing his 66-year-old father once he decides to pack it in.

The Indianapolis Star reports that Chris Polian has been named the team's General Manager as part of joint contract extensions with both Polians, which will keep them with the team beyond 2012.

Chris Polian, a long-time employee of the Colts, often has been mentioned as a possible candidate for jobs in other cities, but he never has come close to leaving Indy. It now appears that he won't be leaving at any point in the near future.

"I was willing to make a financial commitment to the management side of this organization to keep Chris off the market,'' owner Jim Irsay told the Star. "Chris is going to be here and play a dominant role. I've been around Chris for a long time. Whenever Bill is ready to retire, or semi-retire, we'll move forward with Chris.''
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Re: Our next coach??
 

Double checked on Gruden. He won't and [U] can't[/U] go anywhere in 2010

Re: Our next coach??
 

There's also always Gregg Williams as an option. So long as Vinny goes, Williams is a possibility. But Snyder won't let him be more than just head coach.

Re: Our next coach??
 

Ok, so if we are limited to two decent HC's and one most likely going to Carolina, we either make sure we offer the most in money and give Shanahan the world or we look at Co-ordinators. Who would be good candidates from the Co-ordinator pools?

Saints(?)
Colts(Christensen)
Vikings(?)
Cardinals(Grimm)
Jets(Schottenheimer)
Texans(Shanahan)
Browns(Ryan)

Anyone else?

Marty please come back. Please work out some deal with DS and take the GM/HCing job until your son Brian is ready to take over as HC. Turn this team around.

Re: Our next coach??
 

[quote=SmootSmack;630816]There's also always Gregg Williams as an option. So long as Vinny goes, Williams is a possibility. But Snyder won't let him be more than just head coach.[/quote]

Yes I forgot about him when I mentioned the Saints. I was thinking OC. He would not be bad for continuity on the defensive side of things, but does he have to bring his lacky back with him? You know the CB or Safety that follows him like a lost puppy. Prayloo (sp).