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[quote=Mattyk72;641130]Gruden has always had a heavy say in personnel from what I understand. At least in Tampa.[/quote]

Grudens big complaint in Tampa was that the owner did not want to open his pocket. We all know thats not the case here.

They easily could have won a Superbowl in Oakland if it wasn't for the tuck play.

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[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Hire_Allen_As_Executive_Vice_President_General_Manager_94479.jsp]Redskins Hire Allen As Executive Vice President/General Manager[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;641120]I think being the GM of a team that went to the Super Bowl (and winning one) is a good start. And I believe he had a good record when he was in Oakland.[/quote]

Well I wouldn't give Allen credit for the TB SB cause those were not his players. And after that SB they really didn't so anything and he and Gruden got fired. He did a nice job bringing in some older vets in Oakland. I like the move but I'm going to take a wait and see attitude. I wanted a true personel guy first, not a business contract guy. They've already got a guy doing that.

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Wow! I was up early before this news broke, took a nap, just woke up and this! Wow!

I like the move, I must say.

I hope the next move is to sign JC, but let's celebrate this while we can.

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[quote=Ruhskins;641131]More like Ding, Dong, the Sarge is dead. LOL.[/quote]

I prefer Ding Dong Cerrrato's Gone, we have no witch, the bitch is gone!

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Welcome home, Mr. Allen your roots started here with your dad. Vinny please turn off the lights and don't let door hit you on the way out.

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[quote=skinsfan69;641141]Well I wouldn't give Allen credit for the TB SB cause those were not his players. And after that SB they really didn't so anything and he and Gruden got fired. He did a nice job bringing in some older vets in Oakland. I like the move but I'm going to take a wait and see attitude. I wanted a true personel guy first, not a business contract guy. They've already got a guy doing that.[/quote]

Bruce Allen is a well respected guy around the NFL who will be the face of the Redskins. There is a whole scouting department and the coach to help him find and select the players. He may not have rings but he has always been involved in good organizations...the last time the Raiders were not a joke was when he was there. He will represent the Redskins very well IMO. I look forward to my Redskins not being a punchline anymore.

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Give Snyder credit for being loyal to the redskins faithful. Hiring Gibbs and hiring George Allen's son keeps the Redskins tradition alive. Regardless of results, we can't say that Snyder doesn't try to keep the skins faithful happy (outside of the prices at FedEx)

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[quote=RobH4413;640900]All I need is Joe Gibbs president of football operations and Russ Grimm head coach and I'll be happy.


Side question.... anyone kinda okay with Zorn keeping his job? Stranger things have happened in Redskins land.[/quote]
Demote Zorn to QB coach.

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[quote=celts32;641147]Bruce Allen is a well respected guy around the NFL who will be the face of the Redskins. There is a whole scouting department and the coach to help him find and select the players. He may not have rings but he has always been involved in good organizations...the last time the Raiders were not a joke was when he was there. He will represent the Redskins very well IMO. I look forward to my Redskins not being a punchline anymore.[/quote]

I agree.

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Ding Dong! The Witch is dead. Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch!
Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is dead.
Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Wicked Witch is dead. He's gone where the goblins go,
Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out.
Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
Let them know
The Wicked Witch is dead!

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[quote=BigSKINBauer;641148]Give Snyder credit for being loyal to the redskins faithful. Hiring Gibbs and hiring George Allen's son keeps the Redskins tradition alive. Regardless of results, we can't say that Snyder doesn't try to keep the skins faithful happy (outside of the prices at FedEx)[/quote]


Totally agree. We can question Snyder's methods and results, but never his motive and passion.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;640929]Cerrato's statement:



No Zorn in the Coach list.[/quote]


He shouldn't be. He is a terrible offensive coordinator and head coach.

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[quote=skinsfan69;641141]Well I wouldn't give Allen credit for the TB SB cause those were not his players. And after that SB they really didn't so anything and he and Gruden got fired. He did a nice job bringing in some older vets in Oakland. I like the move but I'm going to take a wait and see attitude. I wanted a true personel guy first, not a business contract guy. They've already got a guy doing that.[/quote]

[B]Read that article I posted (has Allen's photo).[/B]

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[quote=Cooley1;641006]LOL

Look at what Wykipedia is already saying about Bruce Allen.....
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Allen_(American_football)]Bruce Allen (American football) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url][/quote]

Wikipedia is amazing

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you know this is big news if THE bsb has returned? and since we have a legit G.M. im now on the Cowher bandwagon. wanted Fisher, but since they turned it around, don't see him being let go

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I'm so happy that Vinny is gone. I've only two words for the new GM, Offensive Tackle.

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[quote=Ruhskins;641015]This is going to be an interesting Monday Night Football...[/quote]

I have tix so now I am going to have DVR it somehow, just to here Gruden's Analysis, it would be great to go back to the last one and compare it.

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Mike Shanahan as head coach and Jim Zorn as QB coach before you shoot me guys think about it he has really developed Jason.

But I mean the stage seems set for Mike to come in

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I'll bet JC stays.

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I doubt Shanahan will be the HC.

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[quote=Redskins_P;641177]I doubt Shanahan will be the HC.[/quote]
Holmgren?

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[quote=pg86;641174]Mike Shanahan as head coach and Jim Zorn as QB coach before you shoot me guys think about it he has really developed Jason.

But I mean the stage seems set for Mike to come in[/quote]

Shanahan is very hands on with his QB's, he was once a QB coach himself, I'm not sure there would be room for Zorn.

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lol suppose Snyder announces JC has been extended a fat contract.

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[quote=Mattyk72;641179]Shanahan is very hands on with his QB's, he was once a QB coach himself, I'm not sure there would be room for Zorn.[/quote]
I don't think Jason can take another system change

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thought this was interesting. Allen's draft history with Tampa
2008 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 20 Aqib Talib CB Kansas
2 58 Dexter Jackson WR Appalachian State
3 83 Jeremy Zuttah G Rutgers
4 115 Dre Moore DT Maryland
5 160 Josh Johnson QB San Diego
6 175 Geno Hayes OLB Florida State
7 238 Cory Boyd RB South Carolina

2007 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 4 Gaines Adams DE Clemson
2 35 Arron Sears G Tennessee
2 64 Sabby Piscitelli SAF Oregon State
3 68 Quincy Black LB New Mexico
4 106 Tanard Jackson FS Syracuse
5 141 Greg Peterson DT North Carolina Central
6 182 Adam Hayward LB Portland State
7 214 Chris Denman T Fresno State
7 245 Marcus Hamilton CB Virginia
7 246 Kenneth Darby RB Alabama

2006 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 23 Davin Joseph G Oklahoma
2 59 Jeremy Trueblood T Boston College
3 90 Maurice Stovall WR Notre Dame
4 122 Alan Zemaitis CB Penn State
5 156 Julian Jenkins DE Stanford
6 194 Bruce Gradkowski QB Toledo
6 202 T.J. Williams TE North Carolina State
7 235 Justin Phinisee CB Oregon
7 241 Charles Bennett DE Clemson
7 244 Tim Massaquoi TE Michigan

2005 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 5 Cadillac Williams RB Auburn
2 36 Barrett Ruud LB Nebraska
3 71 Alex Smith TE Stanford
3 91 Chris Colmer T North Carolina State
4 107 Dan Buenning G Wisconsin
5 141 Donte Nicholson DB Oklahoma
5 155 Larry Brackins -- Pearl River CC MS
6 178 Anthony Bryant DT Alabama
7 221 Rick Razzano RB Mississippi
7 225 Paris Warren WR Utah
7 231 Hamza Abdullah DB Washington State
7 253 J.R. Russell WR Louisville

2004 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 15 Michael Clayton WR Louisiana State
3 79 Marquis Cooper LB Washington
4 111 Will Allen SAF Ohio State
5 146 Jeb Terry G North Carolina
6 181 Nate Lawrie TE Yale
7 206 Mark Jones WR Tennessee
7 228 Casey Cramer RB Dartmouth
7 252 Lenny Williams CB Southern University

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[quote=pg86;641178]Holmgren?[/quote]


Holmgren is only looking for a GM position, not HC. Shanahan wants to be both. It has be Gruden.

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I can't help but think the way the team's playing right now along with this positive news, that the Giants want to come here Monday night with the playoffs on the line.

I think we're gonna be fired up big time.

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Just gotta chime in on this one. Awesome!!!!

(How sad is it that the biggest news in skins-land since JGG came back is that Vinny finally got the ax? But whatever. I'll take it!)

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[quote=dmek25;641186]thought this was interesting. Allen's draft history with Tampa
2008 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 20 Aqib Talib CB Kansas
2 58 Dexter Jackson WR Appalachian State
3 83 Jeremy Zuttah G Rutgers
4 115 Dre Moore DT Maryland
5 160 Josh Johnson QB San Diego
6 175 Geno Hayes OLB Florida State
7 238 Cory Boyd RB South Carolina

2007 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 4 Gaines Adams DE Clemson
2 35 Arron Sears G Tennessee
2 64 Sabby Piscitelli SAF Oregon State
3 68 Quincy Black LB New Mexico
4 106 Tanard Jackson FS Syracuse
5 141 Greg Peterson DT North Carolina Central
6 182 Adam Hayward LB Portland State
7 214 Chris Denman T Fresno State
7 245 Marcus Hamilton CB Virginia
7 246 Kenneth Darby RB Alabama

2006 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 23 Davin Joseph G Oklahoma
2 59 Jeremy Trueblood T Boston College
3 90 Maurice Stovall WR Notre Dame
4 122 Alan Zemaitis CB Penn State
5 156 Julian Jenkins DE Stanford
6 194 Bruce Gradkowski QB Toledo
6 202 T.J. Williams TE North Carolina State
7 235 Justin Phinisee CB Oregon
7 241 Charles Bennett DE Clemson
7 244 Tim Massaquoi TE Michigan

2005 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 5 Cadillac Williams RB Auburn
2 36 Barrett Ruud LB Nebraska
3 71 Alex Smith TE Stanford
3 91 Chris Colmer T North Carolina State
4 107 Dan Buenning G Wisconsin
5 141 Donte Nicholson DB Oklahoma
5 155 Larry Brackins -- Pearl River CC MS
6 178 Anthony Bryant DT Alabama
7 221 Rick Razzano RB Mississippi
7 225 Paris Warren WR Utah
7 231 Hamza Abdullah DB Washington State
7 253 J.R. Russell WR Louisville

2004 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 15 Michael Clayton WR Louisiana State
3 79 Marquis Cooper LB Washington
4 111 Will Allen SAF Ohio State
5 146 Jeb Terry G North Carolina
6 181 Nate Lawrie TE Yale
7 206 Mark Jones WR Tennessee
7 228 Casey Cramer RB Dartmouth
7 252 Lenny Williams CB Southern University[/quote]

Looks like more misses than hits.

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[quote=pg86;641185]I don't think Jason can take another system change[/quote]

If it's a WCO the changes won't be significant.

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I'm sure this has been suggested but Bruce Allen pretty much guarantee's Chuckie as our next head coach, right?

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Oh dear, another 10 years of misery to look forward to.

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Great news!!! I met Allen while he was in Oakland and he is a great guy. People don't realize he also drafted Nnamdi Asomugha in Oakland.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;641194]Looks like more misses than hits.[/quote]

There are a lot of pics there though. Maybe I won't have so much down time during the draft from now on.

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[quote=12thMan;641154]Totally agree. We can question Snyder's methods and results, but never his motive and passion.[/quote]

I agree, despite some of his questionable acquisitions his heart has always been in the right place.

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Allen and Gruden are very close (they watch football games together up here). But it's not like that's the only coach Allen has ties to

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[quote=Kalisto2010;641197]I'm sure this has been suggested but Bruce Allen pretty much guarantee's Chuckie as our next head coach, right?[/quote]

Not necessarily, but of course his name is going to be at the top of the rumor mill based on their relationship.

Does the hiring of Bruce Allen as VP/GM makes the head coach job in Washington more appealing?
 

Is this a prelude to Gruden leaving the booth and coaching Washington.

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[quote=dmek25;641186]thought this was interesting. Allen's draft history with Tampa
2008 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 20 Aqib Talib CB Kansas
2 58 Dexter Jackson WR Appalachian State
3 83 Jeremy Zuttah G Rutgers
4 115 Dre Moore DT Maryland
5 160 Josh Johnson QB San Diego
6 175 Geno Hayes OLB Florida State
7 238 Cory Boyd RB South Carolina

2007 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 4 Gaines Adams DE Clemson
2 35 Arron Sears G Tennessee
2 64 Sabby Piscitelli SAF Oregon State
3 68 Quincy Black LB New Mexico
4 106 Tanard Jackson FS Syracuse
5 141 Greg Peterson DT North Carolina Central
6 182 Adam Hayward LB Portland State
7 214 Chris Denman T Fresno State
7 245 Marcus Hamilton CB Virginia
7 246 Kenneth Darby RB Alabama

2006 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 23 Davin Joseph G Oklahoma
2 59 Jeremy Trueblood T Boston College
3 90 Maurice Stovall WR Notre Dame
4 122 Alan Zemaitis CB Penn State
5 156 Julian Jenkins DE Stanford
6 194 Bruce Gradkowski QB Toledo
6 202 T.J. Williams TE North Carolina State
7 235 Justin Phinisee CB Oregon
7 241 Charles Bennett DE Clemson
7 244 Tim Massaquoi TE Michigan

2005 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 5 Cadillac Williams RB Auburn
2 36 Barrett Ruud LB Nebraska
3 71 Alex Smith TE Stanford
3 91 Chris Colmer T North Carolina State
4 107 Dan Buenning G Wisconsin
5 141 Donte Nicholson DB Oklahoma
5 155 Larry Brackins -- Pearl River CC MS
6 178 Anthony Bryant DT Alabama
7 221 Rick Razzano RB Mississippi
7 225 Paris Warren WR Utah
7 231 Hamza Abdullah DB Washington State
7 253 J.R. Russell WR Louisville

2004 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 15 Michael Clayton WR Louisiana State
3 79 Marquis Cooper LB Washington
4 111 Will Allen SAF Ohio State
5 146 Jeb Terry G North Carolina
6 181 Nate Lawrie TE Yale
7 206 Mark Jones WR Tennessee
7 228 Casey Cramer RB Dartmouth
7 252 Lenny Williams CB Southern University[/quote]

Not very good IMO. Gaines Adams turned out to be pure bust as did Michael Clayton. Williams is a stud but he just can't stay healthy. Josh Johnson is simply awful. Talib has serious character issues.