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I would love for this to be a farce and the Redskins hire Holmgren as their HC.

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[quote=SmootSmack;642679][B]He would have been team president with final say over personnel, so Cleveland must be giving him more money.[/B] I've thought Cleveland for a while, long before the job was even open, but once Seattle came into the picture that did seem to be the ideal fit for him. I still think Holmgren was a bit hurt that he actually had to interview with the Seahawks.[/quote]

Seattle only offered "Team President with final say on personnel? Instead of offering more money maybe Cleveland offered the GM spot? It was reported Holmgren was looking for a front office job possibly a GM position.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;642814]I would love for this to be a farce and the Redskins hire Holmgren as their HC.[/quote]

Pass.. Why hire a guy who just retired last year and has indicated that he's not interested in coaching but would prefer a FO position?

It looks like it's gonna be Shanny, especially after the Cowboys win tonight so you don't have to like it but you're gonna learn to love it cause it's the best thing going.. WHOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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[quote=Paintrain;642817]Pass.. Why hire a guy who just retired last year and has indicated that he's not interested in coaching but would prefer a FO position?

It looks like it's gonna be Shanny, especially after the Cowboys win tonight so you don't have to like it but you're gonna learn to love it cause it's the best thing going.. WHOOOOOOOOOOOO![/quote]

I rather have Shanahan than Holmgren. Holmgren has lost the last 2 superbowls he was in. He could of possibly lost his first one also If it wasn't for Desmond Howard's 250+ return yards IMO.

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[quote=Paintrain;642817]Pass.. Why hire a guy who just retired last year and has indicated that he's not interested in coaching but would prefer a FO position?

It looks like it's gonna be Shanny, especially after the Cowboys win tonight so you don't have to like it but you're gonna learn to love it cause it's the best thing going.. WHOOOOOOOOOOOO![/quote]
nice way to work a Flair reference into a football thread. i like :)

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I wasn't aware of this, but it's been pretty obvious the Redskins don't want to spend a month looking for a new head coach again

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/sources-say-gray-interviewed-f.html]Redskins Insider - Sources say Gray interviewed for Redskins' head-coaching job[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;642854]I wasn't aware of this, but it's been pretty obvious the Redskins don't want to spend a month looking for a new head coach again

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/sources-say-gray-interviewed-f.html]Redskins Insider - Sources say Gray interviewed for Redskins' head-coaching job[/url][/quote]

i think they have their plans in place they just wanted to go about it the right way. (jg for dc?)

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ESPN reporting JZ is definately not coming back as Head Coach. I believe he will follow Holmgren where ever he goes, Zorn that is.

Now as far as Mike Shanahan goes, I am going to say it is a lock. He will be our next head football coach.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;642896]ESPN reporting JZ is definately not coming back as Head Coach. I believe he will follow Holmgren where ever he goes, Zorn that is.

Now as far as Mike Shanahan goes, I am going to say it is a lock. He will be our next head football coach.[/quote]

I can't wait to see his zone blocking scheme implemented into the Redskins offense. Plus Shanahan is a master at finding solid RB's in the later rounds (not including Maurice Clarett).

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I am stoked about the move as a whole. I am a little taken back that all of the info about who are next coach is and Zorn a dead man walking got into the media. The one thing I have to find comfort in is this is going to be a completly revamped football team by the end of January. I like that we will all be able to rest a little easier knowing our team is in the hands of competent people going forward.

Brude Allen and Shanny in control. Putting in their pieces of who will run the offense, defense, and all the postion coaches. Then the staff can move forward and develop a plan as to how they will move forward with the team in player evaluations, scouting, and a RESTRUCTRING of our current roster.

I do not know how they will do in the coming years, but I can be optomistic and hopeful for our future as a winning franchise. Bruce is a winner as a GM and we will have a coach with winning history. If Kyle comes in we could have an heir apparent as well bringing continuity to our franchise.

The players in these few remaining games need to play hard, because they all get a chance to audition for the 2010 Washington Redskins. We have some pieces in place, we have FA, and we have the draft. They can rebuild some of this team quickly say 2 years to have a good deep team, and with the players we have in place we can win right away.

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What I think is happening: The negotiation is on with Shanny! I think that Jerry Gray is positioning himself for D coordinator and Snyder is trying to pursuade Shanny into making that happen. These recent rumors of shanny to Dallas are his agents attempt to get more money or possibly shanny's push back to Snyder's wanting his defensive staff to stay in tact.

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I don't know if this is really true, but according to Jay Glazer, he said that John Lynch was at the owners meetings and Jim Zorn was at the table with Dan Snyder and Snyder had Lynch come over and say to him "So tell me everything about Mike Shanahan, do you think he'd be a good head coach for him?" This was with Zorn sitting right next to him at the table.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;642941]I don't know if this is really true, but according to Jay Glazer, he said that John Lynch was at the owners meetings and Jim Zorn was at the table with Dan Snyder and Snyder had Lynch come over and say to him "So tell me everything about Mike Shanahan, do you think he'd be a good head coach for him?" This was with Zorn sitting right next to him at the table.[/quote]

Wow, if this is true, then it is the height of the dickery that Dan Snyder has come to represent. You are disrespecting the guy so much already but to do that is just unbelievably uncool

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Hey guys...question.
If Shanny wants his son in the same role with the Skins...isn't that a problem contracturally?

I thought you could only go after another teams coordinator if you gave them a promotion?

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[quote=skinsnut;642949]Hey guys...question.
If Shanny wants his son in the same role with the Skins...isn't that a problem contracturally?

I thought you could only go after another teams coordinator if you gave them a promotion?[/quote]

They'll just give him a fancy title, assistant HC/OC

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I dont have a problem with them hiring Shanny but I cant stop thinking what did he do once Elway left. Shanny, like Cowher once he got Big Ben, did great with a superstar QB but once his superstar retired he was never quite the same and one thing he doesnt have here is a superstar QB.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;642948]Wow, if this is true, then it is the height of the dickery that Dan Snyder has come to represent. You are disrespecting the guy so much already but to do that is just unbelievably uncool[/quote]

I think Jay Glazer is one of the best out there...but I'm not sure that's true. It doesn't quite add up for various reasons. Glazer is the only one reporting it, which doesn't mean it's not true of coures.

As for Kyle Shanahan, he might not even be retained by Houston if they make coaching changes at the end of the year. And if the Texans do want to keep him they basically would need to make him head coach to keep him from coming to DC as Assistant Head Coach.

If Shanahan (Mike) somehow ends up in Dallas and JJ convinces him to keep Garrett and his salary...I wouldn't be opposed to Kyle Shanahan here, provided we give him an experienced staff to help him out. How about Kyle as HC, and Kubiak as Offensive Coordinator :)

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[quote=CultBrennan59;642941]I don't know if this is really true, but according to Jay Glazer, he said that John Lynch was at the owners meetings and Jim Zorn was at the table with Dan Snyder and Snyder had Lynch come over and say to him "So tell me everything about Mike Shanahan, do you think he'd be a good head coach for him?" This was with Zorn sitting right next to him at the table.[/quote]

How long did Lynch play for Shanahan? Why would Snyder seek out his opinion? That doesn't make much sense to me, it is a shame if it happened that way.

edit: I could see VC having the audacity to do that in the last month to try and re-emphasize his standing (bye vinny :) )

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According to glazer, shanahan wants the Dallas job bad. I'd put our chances of landing him at about 15%

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;642971]According to glazer, shanahan wants the Dallas job bad. I'd put our chances of landing him at about 15%[/quote]

HUH?
Please document your sources...everyone else seems to think the opposite...such as 85% shanny will take skins vs 15% cowboys.
Are the Cowboys even looking for a coach at this point?
They may make the playoffs

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;642971]According to glazer, shanahan wants the Dallas job bad. I'd put our chances of landing him at about 15%[/quote]

15% because Glazer says Shanahan wants the Dallas job?

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[quote=SmootSmack;643005]15% because Glazer says Shanahan wants the Dallas job?[/quote]

Yeah... isn't Glazer supposed to be tight with Shanahan? Dallas makes more sense for Shanahan for a number of reasons -

1. Dalls is not, historically, as dysfunctional of a franchise as Washington.
2. Dallas is viewed as being an "elite" franchise. Washington is not.
3. Dallas has a Franchise Quarterback. We dont.
4. Dallas has a trio of young, talented running backs. We don't even have one.
5. Shanahan wants to coach with his son, who is currently in Houston. If Shanahan coaches in Dallas, his son and family won't have to move. If Kyle has children, i imagine this could be very important.
6. Snyder is historically impatient. Shanahan turned down Snyder in this past off-season because he thought Zorn deserved more time. Jerry Jones has been very patient with his coaches, so Shanhan (and by extension, his son) will have more job security there.
7. We have all been assuming that, since Shanahan wanted to work with Allen in Buffalo, that Allen's hiring here meant Shanahan was next. However, what if thats not the case at all? What if Snyder found out that Shanahan wanted to work with Allen, and then went out and hired Allen. That, given the number of times Shanahan has reportedly already turned down Shanahan, would likely make him feel pressured and annoyed. All the more reason to sign elsewhere.
8. Allen's contract allegedly gives him final say on who the redskins draft. If the reports that Shanahan wants total control are true, then he's not going anywhere where HE doesn't have final say.

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[quote=SmootSmack;642965]I think Jay Glazer is one of the best out there...but I'm not sure that's true. It doesn't quite add up for various reasons. Glazer is the only one reporting it, which doesn't mean it's not true of coures.

As for Kyle Shanahan, he might not even be retained by Houston if they make coaching changes at the end of the year. And if the Texans do want to keep him they basically would need to make him head coach to keep him from coming to DC as Assistant Head Coach.

If Shanahan (Mike) somehow ends up in Dallas and JJ convinces him to keep Garrett and his salary...I wouldn't be opposed to Kyle Shanahan here, provided we give him an experienced staff to help him out. How about Kyle as HC, and Kubiak as Offensive Coordinator :)[/quote]

I don't know how kubiak would feel reporting to someone that used to report to him. that would be a recipe for lockerroom trouble if you ask me. Besides, why would Shanahan want to keep Garrett over his own son? And why would his son want to coach a division rival of his father's team? it seems like it would create all sorts of family problems. For one, Kyle couldn't go to his dad for advice. Neither could really talk to the other about what was going on at work. Using my scientific method of reasoning, Id put the chances of that scenario happening at about 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;643028]Yeah... isn't Glazer supposed to be tight with Shanahan? Dallas makes more sense for Shanahan for a number of reasons -

1. Dalls is not, historically, as dysfunctional of a franchise as Washington.
2. Dallas is viewed as being an "elite" franchise. Washington is not.
3. Dallas has a Franchise Quarterback. We dont.
4. Dallas has a trio of young, talented running backs. We don't even have one.
5. Shanahan wants to coach with his son, who is currently in Houston. If Shanahan coaches in Dallas, his son and family won't have to move. If Kyle has children, i imagine this could be very important.
6. Snyder is historically impatient. Shanahan turned down Snyder in this past off-season because he thought Zorn deserved more time. Jerry Jones has been very patient with his coaches, so Shanhan (and by extension, his son) will have more job security there.
7. We have all been assuming that, since Shanahan wanted to work with Allen in Buffalo, that Allen's hiring here meant Shanahan was next. However, what if thats not the case at all? What if Snyder found out that Shanahan wanted to work with Allen, and then went out and hired Allen. That, given the number of times Shanahan has reportedly already turned down Shanahan, would likely make him feel pressured and annoyed. All the more reason to sign elsewhere.
8. Allen's contract allegedly gives him final say on who the redskins draft. If the reports that Shanahan wants total control are true, then he's not going anywhere where HE doesn't have final say.[/quote]

Schefter is tight with Shanahan. Don't know about Glazer per se

1. All about perception I suppose
2. See #1
3. Ok, I'll cede that one for now
4. We have Quinton Ganther you ingoramus!!!!
5. Won't matter if Shanahan is let go by Houston. Plus Houston and Dallas aren't exactly next door (closer than to DC of course). Kyle has a two year old daughter so I don't think it will be an issue to move her.
6. Ok
7. Interesting theory
8. Shanahan won't necessarily get more control in Dallas with Jones continuing to serve as GM

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If Kyle Shanahan gets a head coaching opportunity, I really doubt he'd care if his dad was coaching a team in the same division

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We are redskins fans, so our perception on what franchise is more "elite" is somewhat skewed. I live in North Carolina and pretty much everyone here thinks the skins are a big joke. When I go to sports bars, the most common Jerseys I see, are, of course, Panthers jerseys. Cowboys are a CLOSE #2. Regarding Jone's control in Dalls, he stepped back somewhat when Parcells was coach, i'm sure he would do the same for Shanahan if it became a sticking point.

Even if Jones doesn't view Shanahan as his ideal coach, he simply can't "afford" to let the skins land him. If he did and Jones went with Garret or someother inexperienced HC, Dallas would most certainly be at the bottom of the NFC East for a few years. Putting aside the fact that Jones has alot of pride, loves his team, and wants to win - being in 4th place isn't going to fill that big fancy new stadium to capacity week in and week out.

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[quote=SBXVII;642372] ....JGibbs1 went 0-5 re-evaluated his scheme and changed it to work with the players he had. That's the mark of a great HC. .[/quote]
Exactly. Gibbs was a Coryell guy (think Al Saunders for those that don't know) and ended up with a power smash-mouth offense.

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All this Shanahan talk is really annoying. Zorn is gone, we all know that but until the season is over and Shanahan signs a contract then all this talk is just rumors. No question he's talking with Snyder/Allen but let's just wait til the season is over. We've still got 3 games to play.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;643036][B]We are redskins fans, so our perception on what franchise is more "elite" is somewhat skewed[/B]. I live in North Carolina and pretty much everyone here thinks the skins are a big joke. When I go to sports bars, the most common Jerseys I see, are, of course, Panthers jerseys. Cowboys are a CLOSE #2. Regarding Jone's control in Dalls, he stepped back somewhat when Parcells was coach, i'm sure he would do the same for Shanahan if it became a sticking point.

Even if Jones doesn't view Shanahan as his ideal coach, he simply can't "afford" to let the skins land him. If he did and Jones went with Garret or someother inexperienced HC, Dallas would most certainly be at the bottom of the NFC East for a few years. Putting aside the fact that Jones has alot of pride, loves his team, and wants to win - being in 4th place isn't going to fill that big fancy new stadium to capacity week in and week out.[/quote]

Well it's elite as far as history, tradition and fan base is concerned. Although the new generation of Redskin fans were not around during the glory days. It's not elite when it comes to W's vs. L's since Gibbs 1.

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[quote=SmootSmack;643034]Schefter is tight with Shanahan. Don't know about Glazer per se

1. All about perception I suppose
2. See #1
3. Ok, I'll cede that one for now
4. We have Quinton Ganther you ingoramus!!!!
5. Won't matter if Shanahan is let go by Houston. Plus Houston and Dallas aren't exactly next door (closer than to DC of course). Kyle has a two year old daughter so I don't think it will be an issue to move her.
6. Ok
7. Interesting theory
8. Shanahan won't necessarily get more control in Dallas with Jones continuing to serve as GM[/quote]

Is this serious debate or just goofing around I can't tell?

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[quote=The Goat;643052]Is this serious debate or just goofing around I can't tell?[/quote]

I don't joke around about Quinton Ganther

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Smoot, how much buzz is there about Shanahan going to the Bears if Lovie were to be fired? This would reunite him with Cutler.

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[quote=skinsfan69;643042]Well it's elite as far as history, tradition and fan base is concerned. Although the new generation of Redskin fans were not around during the glory days. It's not elite when it comes to W's vs. L's since Gibbs 1.[/quote]

Yes. We were elite when we were winning. If we start winning again then we will be elite again.

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[quote=drew54;643092]Smoot, how much buzz is there about Shanahan going to the Bears if Lovie were to be fired? This would reunite him with Cutler.[/quote]

I've hardly heard any at all

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[quote=SmootSmack;643114]I've hardly heard any at all[/quote]

honestly, how much "buzz" was there about allen and dc, say two weeks ago?

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I think Shanahan is better than who we have, and probably whoever might be available, but there are two things that bug me about his record:
[LIST][*]The Broncos have had the best home record in pro football over the past 32 years[*]He has won only one playoff game without Elway / Davis[/LIST]
Now, his results might be better in Washington, but if there's one thing that is a common theme is that people get worse when they come here. Still, winning two super bowls back to back requires significant coaching and personnel. Hopefully if we bring the right personnel here with our new FO layout, we will enjoy some good football around here.

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the bears always do things the cheapest way. and if Smith got fired, they would owe him a lot of cash. i heard around 5 million. ain't going to happen

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Apparently some more interesting news on another boards site. ...

[url=http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=312652]Casserly on NFL today: Allen's Contract Guarantees Him 100% Control Over The Draft - EXTREMESKINS.com[/url]

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[quote=SBXVII;643145]Apparently some more interesting news on another boards site. ...

[url=http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=312652]Casserly on NFL today: Allen's Contract Guarantees Him 100% Control Over The Draft - EXTREMESKINS.com[/url][/quote]

god damn that board f's with my eyes i can't do that black background, is there any other link to the contract i don't usaually watch nfl today i usuallly watch espn or fox over cbs

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[quote=mlmdub130;643146]god damn that board f's with my eyes i can't do that black background, is there any other link to the contract i don't usaually watch nfl today i usuallly watch espn or fox over cbs[/quote]

Yeah, I can read maybe one page over there just cuz the color scheme is so crazy. I didn't see a link either.