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boom.

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[quote=Jesse E. Timmons;647915]boom.[/quote]

Are we doing vintage 1960's Batman punch sounds now? *POW* *KER-SPLAT* *OOF!*

Impressive reply. You got me.

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I still don't see what you ppl see in jc? But whatever

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Interesting comments from Zorn today about if Campbell is a 'franchise QB'..
[quote=Redskins Journal]Zorn: Campbell's not yet a franchise QB

Dec. 30, 2009 4:27 pm

The main storylines of the Redskins' season are reaching their conclusions. Much of today's conversation centered around quarterback Jason Campbell's development and future. After an uneven season, it would seem that his future is as much in doubt now (if not more) as it was back in July.

This afternoon, coach Jim Zorn offered what might be his most honest critique yet of his starting quarterback. It's interesting, and it's difficult to disagree with Z-Man on this:

Can you assess Jason Campbell's growth since you started working with him?

"I think even in this 16th game he still continues to improve. I think what he did this year was better than what he did a year ago. He showed this year that he can turn a receiver down, really read a coverage, read a progression and get the ball to the right guy. I don't think he has been as stuck on a single receiver like he was in the first year. Secondly, he has really improved his explosiveness away from the line of scrimmage. His getting rid of the ball, his release, has been much quicker than when I first got here. He's a bit of a threat when it comes to scrambling. Not every play, but when he takes off he can actually motor down the field a little bit and pick up yards. He hasn't improved his sliding ability. [Everyone laughs.] Those are some of the areas that I've been proud that he's come the distance that he has."

Is Jason a starting quarterback in this league?

"Well he is. I think of him as a starting quarterback. [B]A lot of people want to just label every quarterback, he's got to be a franchise player. I don't know if that is where he's at. I don't think it is. But I think he just continues to improve as a starting quarterback in this league."[/B]

Can he get to the level of a franchise quarterback?

"Uh [3-second pause], I think the way he works, I think his grit, his determination, he can. But in every instance, the quarterbacks all have help from other guys. That remains to be seen." [/quote]

Perma-link: [url=http://fredericksburg.com/blogs/view?blogger_id=40&p=1262208431]Fredericksburg.com - Blogs: Rich Campbell - Zorn: Campbell's not yet a franchise QB[/url]

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^please stop...

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;647903][B]Peyton Manning[/B]
Ryan Leaf - bust
Tim Couch - bust
[B]Donovan McNabb[/B]
Akili Smith - bust
[I]Daunte Culpepper - he had a nice career[/I]
Cade McNown
[I]Chad Pennington - weak arm, but solid game manager[/I]
[I]Michael Vick - drafted for athletic ability, faded once folks knew how to stop him. Did lead Falcons to playoffs early in career.[/I]
David Carr - bust
Joey Harrington - bust
Patrick Ramsey - bust
[I]Carson Palmer - Good career thusfar[/I]
[I]Byron Leftwich - had some solid years in Jax, led team to playoffs if I'm not mistaken[/I].
Kyle Boller - Bust
[I]Rex Grossman - did lead team to super bowl, but overall underperformed his draft status.[/I]
[B]Eli Manning[/B]
[B]Philip Rivers[/B]
[B]Ben Roethlisberger[/B]
J.P. Losman
Alex Smith
[B]Aaron Rodgers[/B]
[I][B]Jason Campbell - I wouldn't classify JC as a "really good QB".[/B][/I]
[I]Vince Young - hasn't justified his draft position, but we'll see if he's a bust by his performance next year.[/I]
Matt Leinart
[B]Jay Cutler[/B]
Jamarcus Russell
[I]Brady Quinn - I'd like to see him with another team before he's classified as a bust. The dysfunction in Cleveland is worse than here. I'd actually like to see him brought in here for a shot.[/I]

Are you saying we shouldn't draft a QB in the first round because 50% of these guys don't work out? Should we not have drafted JC in the first round (my opinion in hindsight is that Gibbs missed on this one)?[/quote]

Not only did Gibbs miss on JC he gave away 3 draft picks to wiff. Talk about compounding the felony.

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Thanks for that link Pain. Very interesting comments.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;647925]^please stop...[/quote]

Stop posting articles that support your stance? Um, ok.

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[quote=Paintrain;647939]Stop posting articles that support your stance? Um, ok.[/quote]

LOL How does that support anything? That's an article basically saying "IF" or "Could be". I'm tired of arguing about JC, he's a decent player but we all know Shanahan won't keep him. I'm not dogging you Pain but c'mon man!

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[quote=Paintrain;647917[B]]Are we doing vintage 1960's Batman punch sounds now? *POW* *KER-SPLAT* *OOF!*[/B]

Impressive reply. You got me.[/quote]

Now thats funny. My mind set was totally with Madden... "Boom". LOL.

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One thing we do know is JC can take a beating & get back up.

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[quote=Bigreds77;647957]One thing we do know is JC can take a beating & get back up.[/quote]

Who cares...

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^ Given the status of our O-line men.. I think we all should care.

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Yes. He is the most physically talented QB we've had in my lifetime (1981-present). Can't wait to see what he can do behind a solid line. For him to be an average QB behind a nonexistent O-line without Portis or Cooley speaks to his talent. I also will never forget his performance through the first half of last season, which was nothing short of epic. EPIC!

Doesn't hurt that I'm also not enthralled with anybody coming in the draft or available through free agency.

Full disclosure: I've never watched Colt McCoy.

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[quote=skinsfan69;647791]people have to realize that some of the sacks that jc takes are on him. sometimes he doesn't step up in the pocket, sometimes he holds the ball too long, doesn't see what the defense is doing to him fast enough. on a 3 step drop it's very simple, 1-2-3 and throw. And even on the quick short stuff he holds the ball. we've seen this over and over and over again. it's like the guy can't make any adjustments to his game. [B]imo the first position that needs to be addressed is qb.[/B][/quote]

The first position that needs to be addressed is QB?

If by "addressed" you mean "better coached and added depth," then I agree.

The only positions that need to be addressed by improving "athletic ability of the starters" are all along the offensive line, KR/PR, and some of the WR slots. That's it. Even Landry is one hell of an athlete.

Campbell screwed up one time in the Dallas game in failing to adjust to a blitz, and he got called out on it by everybody. How many times had he been knocked down before that play??? I wouldn't have seen the safety cheating up, either, because I'd be blinking back all the tears.

Do not forget Campbell's first half of the 2008 season. He was good on a historical scale.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;647944]LOL How does that support anything? That's an article basically saying "IF" or "Could be". I'm tired of arguing about JC, he's a decent player but we all know Shanahan won't keep him. I'm not dogging you Pain but c'mon man![/quote]
Eh, I read it much more negatively than you did. If the coach who has just spent the past 2 years coaching him isn't ready to endorse him at this point, I don't know that anyone would.

In a capped year, I'd probably agree with you but don't be blindsided with disappointment when Shanny keeps him around because it's the right football decision in an uncapped year.

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[quote=Zorn on the 4th of July;647972]The first position that needs to be addressed is QB?

If by "addressed" you mean "better coached and added depth," then I agree.

The only positions that need to be addressed by improving "athletic ability of the starters" are all along the offensive line, KR/PR, and some of the WR slots. That's it. Even Landry is one hell of an athlete.

Campbell screwed up one time in the Dallas game in failing to adjust to a blitz, and he got called out on it by everybody. How many times had he been knocked down before that play??? I wouldn't have seen the safety cheating up, either, because I'd be blinking back all the tears.

Do not forget Campbell's first half of the 2008 season. He was good on a historical scale.[/quote]



He was historically good by not throwing INT'S.... He didn't throw TD's either lol. Show me one QB that doesn't throw 10-14 int's every year and I will show you the same QB that doesn't throw many td's either. Jc never takes chances and thats why he wasn't regarded to be better than the likes of Orton (ASK DENVER) They turned JC down instead and that was confirmed by many reports not just PFT.

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Despite all the criticism of Campbell he somehow manages to lead every positive poll that his name is mentioned in. There seems to be a rather strange sort of love hate relationship many fans have going on with him.

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[quote=Longtimefan;647990]Despite all the criticism of Campbell he somehow manages to lead every positive poll that his name is mentioned in. There seems to be a rather strange sort of love hate relationship many fans have going on with him.[/quote]

Again IDK how he leads this poll.. I mean what are you folks thinking? Jason is not our answer so why would we bring him back? He has had his chances, David Carr only had 4 years in Houston, Harrington the same in Detroit. Stats don't lie people 20-32 as a starter is terrible. Time to start over!

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I think one thing that a lot of people are overlooking is does Jason Campbell want to come back here with the line and rb situation in such a mess? Lets say Jason Campbell's agent got a call from the Minnesota Vikings who happen to have one of the best running backs in the NFL and a solid offensive line and good WR's - if you are Campbell do you come back to the Skins who are going to need 2-3 years of rebuilding - especially with a new offensive line - or do you take the chance to go to the Vikings who will need to replace Brett at some point soon and your main competition to be the long term solution is Tavaris Jackson who I think Jason Campbell can beat out. I don't know about you but I would rather be playing behind an oline that has the likes of Steve Hutchinson versus Mike Williams.

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Yes.
I want Jason back in 2010.

I learned alot about him this season.
I was expecting a good year from him this year.
But if you told me before the season that:
o our OL give up 41 sacks despite scaling the offense back to mainly 3 step drops to avoid giving up sacks
o we wouldn't be able to run the ball
o we would have the 2nd most line-up changes along the OL in the NFL
o we would be down to using an a RB off the street
o Zorn would be replaced as playcaller mid-season by a guy calling bingo
o and Cooley would be on IR

i wouldn't have expected JC to be the 17th rated QB in the league
with 3,337, touchdown passes 18/15 ints and quarterback rating 85.0

I wouldn't have thought it was possible.

Imo we still don't know Jason ceiling because of the way this team has been mis-managed.

And i'm willing to stick with Jason and address the other more glaring holes.. no chasms on this team.

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[quote=30gut;648028]Yes.
I want Jason back in 2010.

I learned alot about him this season.
I was expecting a good year from him this year.
But if you told me before the season that:
o our OL give up 41 sacks despite scaling the offense back to mainly 3 step drops to avoid giving up sacks
o we wouldn't be able to run the ball
o we would have the 2nd most line-up changes along the OL in the NFL
o we would be down to using an a RB off the street
o Zorn would be replaced as playcaller mid-season by a guy calling bingo
o and Cooley would be on IR

i wouldn't have expected JC to be the 17th rated QB in the league
with 3,337, touchdown passes 18/15 ints and quarterback rating 85.0

I wouldn't have thought it was possible.

Imo we still don't know Jason ceiling because of the way this team has been mis-managed.

And i'm willing to stick with Jason and address the other more glaring holes.. no chasms on this team.[/quote]

Good post 30gut. With all you've mentioned it's hard to believe he could rank that high.

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I say Yes bring JC back for next season because he is our best option. JC when he does have time he can make all the throws. He can run if needed and showed his toughness this season. I think most of us get on JC because he is not a vocal leader and he appears slow at reading defenses. Well with the O-line we have and many offense of systems we have had its really hard to evaluate JC due to this shit show. Some people lead different than others and JC does not appear to a vocal guy or show his emotions when upset. We should not take this for weakness because he doesn't rant and rave on the sideline or in the media. JC has heart and I think he can be a good enough QB to lead a good team into the playoffs or Super Bowl. The problem is we have not had a good enough team for him to do that. Lets get a better team around him and give him the chance.

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Bring em back I guess, I don't feel that great about either option... But I have a feeling Mr. Bradford is going to be our guy.

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[quote=Bill B;647997]I think one thing that a lot of people are overlooking is does Jason Campbell want to come back here with the line and rb situation in such a mess? Lets say Jason Campbell's agent got a call from the Minnesota Vikings who happen to have one of the best running backs in the NFL and a solid offensive line and good WR's - if you are Campbell do you come back to the Skins who are going to need 2-3 years of rebuilding - especially with a new offensive line - or do you take the chance to go to the Vikings who will need to replace Brett at some point soon and your main competition to be the long term solution is Tavaris Jackson who I think Jason Campbell can beat out. I don't know about you but I would rather be playing behind an oline that has the likes of Steve Hutchinson versus Mike Williams.[/quote]It doesn't matter what JC wants, the way things look he'll be a RFA rather than UFA. If he's an RFA, if the team wants him back, he'll be back.

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I answered Yes...but only on a 1 year contract.

My real answer would be that I will let my new GM decide...I still love saying that!

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;648072]It doesn't matter what JC wants, the way things look he'll be a RFA rather than UFA. If he's an RFA, if the team wants him back, he'll be back.[/quote]

I agree, if the team wants him, he'll come back because I have a hard time thinking of a team that's excited about getting him. I really think JC needs the Skins way more than the Skins need him.

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I think there will be a couple of teams that will show interest in him.

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[quote=Mattyk;648077]I think there will be a couple of teams that will show interest in him.[/quote]

Who?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;648079]Who?[/quote]

Teams with shaky QB situations:

Raiders
Bills
Browns
Panthers
Bucs
Seahawks
Rams

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[quote=Mattyk;648080]Teams with shaky QB situations:

Raiders
Bills
Browns
Panthers
Bucs
Seahawks
Rams[/quote]

Campbell would be a #2 or a #3 on all of those teams, except maybe the Raiders. Campbell could definitely find work of some kind in the NFL, but the skins are the most attractive option to him. Zorn may end up win Cleaveland, but there's no way in hell he'll want anything to do with Campbell there.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;648101]Campbell would be a #2 or a #3 on all of those teams, except maybe the Raiders. Campbell could definitely find work of some kind in the NFL, but the skins are the most attractive option to him. Zorn may end up win Cleaveland, but there's no way in hell he'll want anything to do with Campbell there.[/quote]

I honestly don't see a team there where he wouldn't be the starter. Can you honestly say any of those teams are in better shape right now with their current options?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;648101]Campbell would be a #2 or a #3 on all of those teams, except maybe the Raiders. Campbell could definitely find work of some kind in the NFL, but the skins are the most attractive option to him. Zorn may end up win Cleaveland, but there's no way in hell he'll want anything to do with Campbell there.[/quote]

He starts for every single one of them except maybe Seattle if Hasslebeck is healthy. Not a single doubt.

It seems to me that the JC argument breaks down into 2 camps mostly.

1) Thinks he could be a good QB given the right line and tools around him. This group sorta sub-divides into the "That's not good enough versus That is perfectly fine" sub-argument.

2) Thinks he is the worst QB ever. Has never shown anything to make us think he could be an adequate NFL QB. Thinks he's a backup on teams that currently have zilch at QB.

Obviously I'm in the first group and lean to the "perfectly fine" side.

The second group...I don't know what Redskins games you've been watching. I'm not even sure you all have a great grasp of what it takes to win in the NFL. Or maybe I am crazy.

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[quote=Mattyk;648108]I honestly don't see a team there where he wouldn't be the starter. Can you honestly say any of those teams are in better shape right now with their current options?[/quote]

I cant imagine that any of those teams would want to swap their shakey QB for a shakey JC. Sure he might start for those teams but he wont bring any improvement or upgrade to the QB position on those teams.

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[quote=FRPLG;648111]He starts for every single one of them except maybe Seattle if Hasslebeck is healthy. Not a single doubt.

It seems to me that the JC argument breaks down into 2 camps mostly.

1) Thinks he could be a good QB given the right line and tools around him. This group sorta sub-divides into the "That's not good enough versus That is perfectly fine" sub-argument.

2) Thinks he is the worst QB ever. Has never shown anything to make us think he could be an adequate NFL QB. Thinks he's a backup on teams that currently have zilch at QB.

Obviously I'm in the first group and lean to the "perfectly fine" side.

The second group...I don't know what Redskins games you've been watching. I'm not even sure you all have a great grasp of what it takes to win in the NFL. Or maybe I am crazy.[/quote]

Well one of the second group member said earlier in the thread that with other QB's that are having similar years to JC that we'd be a 8-9 win team right now so what does that tell you?

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[quote=FRPLG;648111]He starts for every single one of them except maybe Seattle if Hasslebeck is healthy. Not a single doubt.

It seems to me that the JC argument breaks down into 2 camps mostly.

1) Thinks he could be a good QB given the right line and tools around him. This group sorta sub-divides into the "That's not good enough versus That is perfectly fine" sub-argument.

2) Thinks he is the worst QB ever. Has never shown anything to make us think he could be an adequate NFL QB. Thinks he's a backup on teams that currently have zilch at QB.

Obviously I'm in the first group and lean to the "perfectly fine" side.

The second group...I don't know what Redskins games you've been watching. I'm not even sure you all have a great grasp of what it takes to win in the NFL. Or maybe I am crazy.[/quote]

Yeah I don't quite understand it either. He's a middle of the pack QB on a flat out bad team. It's not too hard to imagine with a better cast around him, he could be much better.

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I think there is zero chance of Campbell being a long-term starter anywhere in the league.

He is very high maintenance as far as coaching goes as he seems to be totally devoid of any football instincts at all.

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[quote=Mattyk;648080]Teams with shaky QB situations:

Raiders
Bills
Browns
Panthers
Bucs
Seahawks
Rams[/quote]

The only 2 teams I'd see that Campbell may not be the unquestioned starter in '10 on are the Bucs because they're committed to Josh Freeman and the Seahawks because Hasselbeck is still there.

Debates like this REALLY make me question the football acumen of some fans. Campbell's not going to any Pro Bowls but he's not Joey Harrington or Rex Grossman either. Not being able to see value in players that aren't superstars is basics in being a football fan vs. a Madden head with a rooting interest in a particular team.

*EDIT* ^...and my point is made for me.

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Yeah the Bucs are probably riding with Freeman now, I just tossed them in there because it's not as if Freeman has shown that he is the unquestioned guy of the future just yet. Hasselbeck in Seattle battled injuries all year and is clearly on the back end of his career. I'm just guessing they could be looking to move on from him.

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[quote=Mattyk;648125]Yeah the Bucs are probably riding with Freeman now, I just tossed them in there because it's not as if Freeman has shown that he is the unquestioned guy of the future just yet. Hasselbeck in Seattle battled injuries all year and is clearly on the back end of his career. I'm just guessing they could be looking to move on from him.[/quote]

True, I could see Zorn going back there as QB coach if he doesn't go to Cleveland with Holmgren so there may be a fit.