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[quote=Mattyk;651236]Yeah, I really get tired of hearing people say player X doesn't get up in anyone's face, doesn't bitch anyone out, etc. Sorry but that's not leadership.[/quote]

Agreed. Jason got his ass kicked repeatedly this year, was treat like a piece of garbage by the organization, and all he did was get up and keep fighting, all the while never once complaining. The class and poise with which he's handled himself is all about leadership IMO. You better believe he has the respect of the locker room. Clinton? Not so much. I'm done with him, and I think the Redskins are too. I hope.

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WOW! Thank you Jason for confirming what we knew all along, and most of all for being a class act since the day you stepped foot on Redskin Park. I hope to see you here next year, but don't blame you one bit if you have a UHaul double parked. Godspeed.

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[quote=Mattyk;651249]So I guess we should assume all this chatter is directed towards JC only?[/quote]

No, but it's my opinion that a westcoast offensive-minded team needs the quarterback to be a leader -- if not THE leader.

And there's no evidence to support this opinion but let's make an exception this time because I KNOW that every post here needs definitive evidence when going against the grain.

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[quote=warriorzpath;651263][B]No, but it's my opinion that in a westcoast offensive-minded team needs the quarterback to be a leader -- if not THE leader.[/B]

And there's no evidence to support this opinion but let's make an exception this time because I KNOW that every post here needs definitive evidence when going against the grain.[/quote]

Why does a WC QB need to be more of a leader in your opinion?

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Shanny just put Clinton Portis on Alert!!

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[quote=Mattyk;651266]Why does a WC QB need to be more of a leader in your opinion?[/quote]

Because, the team's offense is directly related to how well the qb does. And it's not just leading by performance, but it's also leading by character and discipline (disciplining others, making sure that everyone is on the same page and going in the same direction).

Campbell has character, which I can respect -- but I don't think he has the other two traits.

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... and a westcoast offensive-minded team is measured more by how well it does on offense.

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[quote=warriorzpath;651276][B]Because, the team's offense is directly related to how well the qb does.[/B] And it's not just leading by performance, but it's also leading by character and discipline (disciplining others, making sure that everyone is on the same page and going in the same direction).

Campbell has character, which I can respect -- but I don't think he has the other two traits.[/quote]

Well I think you can say that about any offense, I don't get your correlation to the west coast offense.

JC was voted team captain by his teammates, and there have been plenty of comments made in his support these last few days. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, but I don't see where JC's lack of leadership is some sort of major issue. Certainly not more so than a bad offensive line and many other issues that plagued the offense this year.

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[quote=Eknox;651245]what players?[/quote]

hall before the season ended, then albert haynesworth, then daniels & wynn, then rock cartwright, then portis and now JC (who is really just responding to CP's comments but is sounding like a leader doing it).

these 5 players plus the "anonymous or unidentified players".

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I think most of the players will side with JC as well. CP hasn't really made any friends in the locker room...

[url=http://www.homermcfanboy.com/2010/01/06/teammates-tired-of-the-portis-drama/]HomerMcFanboy » teammates tired of the portis drama[/url]

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[quote=CHAMP757;651274]Shanny just put Clinton Portis on Alert!![/quote]

What do you mean??

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[quote=Mattyk;651286][B]Well I think you can say that about any offense, I don't get your correlation to the west coast offense.[/B]

JC was voted team captain by his teammates, and there have been plenty of comments made in his support these last few days. [B]I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, but I don't see where JC's lack of leadership is some sort of major issue.[/B] Certainly not more so than a bad offensive line and many other issues that plagued the offense this year.[/quote]

Yes, I will agree to disagree.

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[quote=warriorzpath;651313]Yes, I will agree to disagree.[/quote]

Do you think JC's leadership was a bigger problem than say the OL this year? Or would we have won more games if he was simply a more vocal, take charge kind of guy?

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[quote=Mattyk;651341]Do you think JC's leadership was a bigger problem than say the OL this year? Or would we have won more games if he was simply a more vocal, take charge kind of guy?[/quote]

You have the wrong idea of what a leader is and when he leads. He just doesn't lead in games, he also is a leader in practice, outside of practice. He gets people in line doing and thinking the right way or the redskins way -- so that way, the players and even coaches trust that everyone is prepared to do their best in games.

Seems to be unfair to ask that of any one player, but that's what the quarterback to me needs to be - a leader, THE leader.

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... how the leader leads is up to the leader.

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[quote=warriorzpath;651363][B]You have the wrong idea of what a leader is and when he leads.[/B] He just doesn't lead in games, he also is a leader in practice, outside of practice. He gets people in line doing and thinking the right way or the redskins way -- so that way, the players and even coaches trust that everyone is prepared to do their best in games.

Seems to be unfair to ask that of any one player, but that's what the quarterback to me needs to be - a leader, THE leader.[/quote]
But, it seems that many here are forgetting that leadership needs 2 things: responsibility and Authority. I think Campbell has the responsibility as a qb, but often times the authority was pulled out from under him-that's my impression.

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[quote=warriorzpath;651363]You have the wrong idea of what a leader is and when he leads. He just doesn't lead in games, [B]he also is a leader in practice, outside of practice. He gets people in line doing and thinking the right way or the redskins way -- so that way, the players and even coaches trust that everyone is prepared to do their best in games[/B].

Seems to be unfair to ask that of any one player, but that's what the quarterback to me needs to be - a leader, THE leader.[/quote]

Why do you think he doesn't do these things?

Also, you didn't answer my question. If he was a "better leader" would we have won more games? Was his lack of leadership a bigger issue to you than the OL?

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[quote=warriorzpath;651363]He just doesn't lead in games, he also is a leader in practice, outside of practice[/quote]

Well, I guess than JC already has one leg up on CP in the department. At least JC showed up and practiced.

There are different ways of being a leader. You can be a rah-rah type and be all up in people's faces or you can lead by example by being a good teammate, showing up to practice every day, attending all off season programs, and supporting your teammates by being positive and having a optimistic outlook rather than throwing them under the bus whenever you get a chance.

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[quote=Redskins_P;651382]Well, I guess than JC already has one leg up on CP in the department. At least JC showed up and practiced.

There are different ways of being a leader. You can be a rah-rah type and be all up in people's faces or you can lead by example by being a good teammate, showing up to practice every day, attending all off season programs, and supporting your teammates by being positive and having a optimistic outlook rather than throwing them under the bus whenever you get a chance.[/quote]

Extra practices with Kelly, Mitchell & Thomas this year to be on the same page. Do things without being told too.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;651392]Extra practices with Kelly, Mitchell & Thomas this year to be on the same page. Do things without being told too.[/quote]

Thank you. I totally forgot to mention that.

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[quote=Mattyk;651373]Why do you think he doesn't do these things?

Also, you didn't answer my question. If he was a "better leader" would we have won more games? Was his lack of leadership a bigger issue to you than the OL?[/quote]

He doesn't seem to do these things because they came to too many games unprepared.

And yes, coming into the games more prepared would have won them more games.

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[quote=warriorzpath;651416]He doesn't seem to do these things because they came to too many games unprepared.

And yes, coming into the games more prepared would have won them more games.[/quote]


Isn't that the Head Coach's responsibility???????? :confused:

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[quote=warriorzpath;651416]He doesn't seem to do these things because they came to too many games unprepared.

And yes, coming into the games more prepared would have won them more games.[/quote]

He was unprepared? I've never heard any complaints in regard to his work ethic on or off the field.

You win I give up trying to make any sense of this.

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Maybe if Campbell had comforted Portis earlier in the season, or last year the team would not suck as much. I would like to see what Shanny and another real Offense Coordinator or QB coach can do with Campbell. Portis can kick rocks. He is getting old by RB standard we need a young homerun threat. I think it is true that he is a me guy. Yes he plays hard so time but why every time you turn around he is is taking his self out of the game for a breather. Just suck it up, maybe if he practices more, yes we talking about practice then he could have more stamina to last a game, not to mention he would be a little tougher and not get nicked up all the time. Love Portis but would love to see what the Raiders would give us for him. He is selfish person and would fit right in out there. Campbell needs to show that heart that he has now on the field and make more people accountable Santana Moss and ARE. Cant wait to see if Shanny puts up with that bull. I think not.

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[quote=Mattyk;651424]He was unprepared? I've never heard any complaints in regard to his work ethic on or off the field.

You win I give up trying to make any sense of this.[/quote]

They -- as in team-- were unprepared.

Does that make sense to you now?

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[quote=Mattyk;651341]Do you think JC's leadership was a bigger problem than say the OL this year? Or would we have won more games if he was simply a more vocal, take charge kind of guy?[/quote]

Yeah, it's like "crap this guy is yelling at us, man I guess that means I have to block now." Lol, I don't think thats how it works. I mean a guy whos a good leader can help give an extra spark or push, but usually that can only go so far.

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For what it's worth, Campbell just had his best season.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;651451]Yeah, it's like "crap this guy is yelling at us, man I guess that means I have to block now." Lol, I don't think thats how it works. I mean a guy whos a good leader can help give an extra spark or push, but usually that can only go so far.[/quote]

Please read my brief description of what a leader is. That would be a good starting point.

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[quote=warriorzpath;651363]You have the wrong idea of what a leader is and when he leads. He just doesn't lead in games, he also is a leader in practice, outside of practice. He gets people in line doing and thinking the right way or the redskins way -- so that way, the players and even coaches trust that everyone is prepared to do their best in games.

Seems to be unfair to ask that of any one player, but that's what the quarterback to me needs to be - a leader, THE leader.[/quote]

Sounds like a good explanation of a leader. Still I don't think that a leader could make up for the dysfunction that was the personnel along the O-line and the fact that guys like CP had the ability to undermine the authority he did have. Also keep in mind I'm not a JC supporter, I want Bradford in here with our first pick.

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I'm siding with Campbell. Portis was completely out of line and unprofessional.

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[quote=Landry44;651459]I'm siding with Campbell. Portis was completely out of line and unprofessional.[/quote]

Yes, me too.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;651457]Sounds like a good explanation of a leader. Still I don't think that a leader could make up for the dysfunction that was the personnel along the O-line and the fact that guys like CP had the ability to undermine the authority he did have. Also keep in mind I'm not a JC supporter, I want Bradford in here with our first pick.[/quote]

Even though our viewpoints differ, I can respect this -- since you have respected my point of view.

That's more than what I can say about others who don't share my opinion.

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[quote=warriorzpath;651441]They -- as in team-- were unprepared.

Does that make sense to you now?[/quote]


It is the HC's responsibility to have the team prepared bro. C'mon dude anyone with common sense knows that.

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[quote=Redskins_P;651468]It is the HC's responsibility to have the team prepared bro. C'mon dude anyone with common sense knows that.[/quote]

Of course, but who do you think the general on the field needs to be?

And to make it clear-- he isn't just a general on the field.

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Well, seeing as Shanahan has publicly said that he expects JC to start next season (even though it's early and anything can happen)... I'm going to guess that this means Portis is gone.

Too much ego on this team and not enough space.

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[quote=warriorzpath;651441]They -- as in team-- were unprepared.

Does that make sense to you now?[/quote]

Makes perfect sense to me. I agree, Coach Campbell isn't leading the team very well.

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[quote=warriorzpath;651473]Of course, but who do you think the general on the field needs to be?

And to make it clear-- he isn't just a general on the field.[/quote]


I understand what you're saying. Who knows? Maybe Shanahan has a plan for JC and feels that he needs to give him a chance under his tutelage/system? Maybe Shanny wants to help JC take it to the next level and finally become that "field general".

BTW, its hard to be a field general when you're on your back the entire game.

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[quote=warriorzpath;651441]They -- as in team-- were unprepared.

Does that make sense to you now?[/quote]

Sounds like the coaching staff to me not just JC

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Hahaha... Finally someone has really shoved their foot down Portis big mouth. I suspected the o-line and Sellers were tired of his antics, drinking coolaid while everyone else was busting their ass off during practice and then b*tch on Sundays about horrible blocking etc...

The Skins were never a cohesive unit as long as their were preferential treatment for a few. Bye bye Portis, maybe in the UFL you can finally skip all practice and just turn up on gameday with your playbook and play.

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[quote=dgack;651480]Makes perfect sense to me. I agree, Coach Campbell isn't leading the team very well.[/quote]

Yeah, I don't know why I waste my time in responding.

People on here are so ignorant and close-minded sometimes.