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There's a Rams / Saints playoff game from 2000 on NFL network on right now. Should show some of what Haslett's defense is about even if he was head coach at the time.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;654780]Rolando McClain:cool-smil[/quote]

Yes sir! :food-smil

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;655051]Has Haslett had a press conference yet?[/quote]

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/haslett-redskins-could-have-su.html"]Jason Reid's summary
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I don't know if I agree with Haslett's take on Carter. His time in the 3-4 in San Fran was not too good, as I remember. Maybe he sees previously-uncoached potential that I don't.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;654780]Rolando McClain:cool-smil[/quote]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miJwMCgaxKo]YouTube - Universal Draft Presents LB Rolando McClain of Alabama - Part 1 of 2[/ame]

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[quote=Lotus;655220][URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/haslett-redskins-could-have-su.html"]Jason Reid's summary
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I don't know if I agree with Haslett's take on Carter. His time in the 3-4 in San Fran was not too good, as I remember. Maybe he sees previously-uncoached potential that I don't.[/quote]

Coaches differ in their phylosophy in the 3-4 scheme--as with any defense--. Maybe Haslett can get Carter to produce as a OLB in his 3-4. If not there is always A Thomas :)

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[quote=Lotus;655220][URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/haslett-redskins-could-have-su.html"]Jason Reid's summary
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I don't know if I agree with Haslett's take on Carter. His time in the 3-4 in San Fran was not too good, as I remember. Maybe he sees previously-uncoached potential that I don't.[/quote]

Sounds like he has a lot of studying and prep before he has a decision on what defense he plans on implementing. Seemed like vague non-offensive answers. Which is fine for me at this point. I hope he will have more answers in the upcoming weeks.

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I think it's a good sign that he doesn't sound committed either way. Sounds like someone who would rather fit the scheme to the personel.

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[quote=Redskin301;655248]Haslett is the man[/quote]

Do you plan on having any posts with substance?

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2 thumbs up I like the hastlett move

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[quote=SmootSmack;655250]Do you plan on having any posts with substance?[/quote]


What would you call GTripps posts?..."Substance Abuse"? :)

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[quote=Angry;655365]What would you call GTripps posts?..."Substance Abuse"? :)[/quote]I lol'ed.

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Glad you liked it.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;655223][url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miJwMCgaxKo]YouTube - Universal Draft Presents LB Rolando McClain of Alabama - Part 1 of 2[/url][/quote]

I heard he has 4.4 or 4.5 speed I can't remember tho this kid will be something special and Berry, Suh, & McClain they are the three safest picks in the draft hands down.

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Why are we discussing defensive draft picks so much? Without a huge infusion of new talent on offense the 2010 campaign promises to be as disappointing as last year. I'm just saying I can get excited about guys like the big 3 OTs: Okung, Campbell and Williams (?). Hell I can get excited about G/Centers this year!

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[quote=The Goat;655836]Why are we discussing defensive draft picks so much? Without a huge infusion of new talent on offense the 2010 campaign promises to be as disappointing as last year. I'm just saying I can get excited about guys like the big 3 OTs: Okung, Campbell and Williams (?). Hell I can get excited about G/Centers this year![/quote]

I'm always excited about defense, but I'm with you Goat. I've never been as excited about getting o-linemen as I am this year. I would love to have a superior o-line. It's been a long time and we need it.

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[quote=53Fan;655842]I'm always excited about defense, but I'm with you Goat. I've never been as excited about getting o-linemen as I am this year. I would love to have a superior o-line. It's been a long time and we need it.[/quote]

I mean one thing it seems Shanny hasn't gotten credit for is the line he put together in Denver before getting the axe. I don't think McDaniels replaced any of the line, and even w/ mediocre play from his QB the offense had some success.

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[quote=The Goat;655836]Why are we discussing defensive draft picks so much? Without a huge infusion of new talent on offense the 2010 campaign promises to be as disappointing as last year. I'm just saying I can get excited about guys like the big 3 OTs: Okung, Campbell and Williams (?). Hell I can get excited about G/Centers this year![/quote]


Dude, I am with you all the way. We can draft all offensive linemen and I will be happy to be honest, although 4-5 linemen would be what we need. Any position filled on the o line would indeed fill a need. Only Raibach and maybe Dockery are keepers. Chris needs to retire, same thing for Randy.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;656221]Dude, I am with you all the way. We can draft all offensive linemen and I will be happy to be honest, although 4-5 linemen would be what we need. Any position filled on the o line would indeed fill a need. Only Raibach and maybe Dockery are keepers. Chris needs to retire, same thing for Randy.[/quote]

I wonder if Rabach could have a little rebound in him as a lighter quicker blocking lineman. Not sure he has the brains but Shanny and Co should be able to find that out

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I'm a bit late to the party but Haslett is a welcome change imo regardless of his scheme.

I thought that Blache wasn't getting the most out of our defense.
I thought that his scheme's were predictable and but at the same time lacked discipline.
I think our secondary as a unit the blew more coverages assignments then what can reasonably be expected from a unit with their talent and experience.

I'm skeptical about the move a possible move to 3-4 although i think it could work.

I think that Haynesworth would make a good possibly great NT if he were to embrace the position, but most likely he won't. But he could be an equally disruptive 3-4 DE.

Here's my opinion of how our 3-4 front 7 should look:

[B]DE[/B]-Daniels
[B]NT[/B]-Monty (I still have faith in this kid maybe with Blache gone he can get out of the dog house and show the upside he flashed under Gregg Willimam? And if not he's still a big body that could be a space eater.)
[B]DE[/B]-Haynseworth (He should freakin dominate here)

[B]OLB[/B]-Orakpo-Beast

[B]ILB[/B](Mack)-Fletcher has the speed and the instinct to excell in this role, its the postion in a 3-4 most similiar to his role as a 4-3 MLB; the 'mack' is the unblocked 'playmaker' in a 3-4. Rocky would also fit in this role but Fletcher,imo, is still at this point in their careers the better of the 2.

[B]ILB[/B](Buck)-H.B. Blades. The 'buck' 3-4 ILB is a banger that often takes on blocks and is similiar to a 4-3 SAM backer, Blades is the only true non-hybrid SAM backer on the roster and this might give him a chance to shine.
Imo Rocky too small for this position and would struggle getting off blocks because he's not often asked to as a 4-3 WILL.

[B]OLB[/B]-Chris Wilson/Carter- I remember Blache admitting that Kirk Olivadotti got more production from Chris Wilson during the offseason transition to hybrid DE/OLB then Blache did in Wilson's entire tenure with the skins.
I think we all see that Wilson has tons of potential and just needs to play.
Although Carter has played 3-4 OLB with the 49ers reports are that it wasn't a good fit, maybe the second time around will be the charm?

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Not bad to the post above...we should be conscious that it could take longer than a year for the defense to get up to speed though

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How I see the switch to 3-4 happening...

[IMG]http://attheridge.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/square-peg-round-hole.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=rbanerjee23;657744]Not bad to the post above...we should be conscious that it could take longer than a year for the defense to get up to speed though[/quote]

I think it could come together pretty quickly if Haynseworth stepped up and embraced the NT position.
But most likely he'll gripe and Montgomery will play the NT.
But, i think we have the good enough OLB/ILBs.

I don't think we're as far away as some would think, i don't think were that much further away then the Packers were when the decided to make the switch.

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[quote=davy;657747]How I see the switch to 3-4 happening...

[IMG]http://attheridge.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/square-peg-round-hole.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

I agree, if they try to make the switch over night we will have problems but if they go hybrid maybe.

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30, no way i want Daniels on the team next season. and Carter at linebacker looked ugly in San Fran

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[quote=30gut;657743[B]ILB[/B](Buck)-H.B. Blades. The 'buck' 3-4 ILB is a banger that often takes on blocks and is similiar to a 4-3 SAM backer, Blades is the only true non-hybrid SAM backer on the roster and this might give him a chance to shine.
Imo Rocky too small for this position and would struggle getting off blocks because he's not often asked to as a 4-3 WILL.[/quote]


does anyone know how rocky and blades compare in hight and weight ?
i'm guessing rocky is taller and slimmer while blades is short and stocky.
is a short and stocky guy really who we want taking on blocks from big, heavy o-linemen ?

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[quote=dmek25;657785]30, no way i want Daniels on the team next season. and Carter at linebacker looked ugly in San Fran[/quote]

Why?
Daniels played well last year and he's a natural fit for a 3-4 DE.

I didn't see Carter play when he was in San Fran, i can only go by what i heard. And i heard that he struggled; but Carter is a good at 4-3 DE and being that he has experiece playing 3-4 OLB it stands to reason he [I]could[/I] be [I]decent[/I] at 3-4 OLB.


[quote=wolfeskins;657787]does anyone know how rocky and blades compare in hight and weight ?
i'm guessing rocky is taller and slimmer while blades is short and stocky.
[/quote]

Rocky is around 6'2 238
Blades is around 5'10 242

[quote]is a short and stocky guy really who we want taking on blocks from big, heavy o-linemen ?[/quote]

Would you rather a 'taller, slimmer' guy who isn't used to taking on blocks from heavy OL or an actual SAM backer who is used to taking on a shedding blocks?

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[quote=davy;657747]How I see the switch to 3-4 happening...

[IMG]http://attheridge.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/square-peg-round-hole.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

This is why we need to switch to the 5-2. That is what our best players are built for.

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[quote=30gut;657966]Rocky is around [B]6'2 238[/B]
Blades is around [B]5'10 242[/B]



Would you rather a 'taller, slimmer' guy who isn't used to taking on blocks from heavy OL or an actual SAM backer who is used to taking on a shedding blocks?[/quote]


well you said rocky was too small ? seems to me it would be easy to get rocky to gain a few pounds. just to be clear though, i'm not saying rocky is the right guy for the job. i just don't see how blades would fair much better. blades seems too small to me.

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[quote=wolfeskins;658005]well you said rocky was too small ? seems to me it would be easy to get rocky to gain a few pounds. just to be clear though, i'm not saying rocky is the right guy for the job. i just don't see how blades would fair much better. blades seems too small to me.[/quote]

Because Blades has actually played 4-3 SAM backer.
Meaning he's used to the pounding of taking on and shedding blocks.
In a 4-3 scheme that we run the Rocky the WILL is protected by design and shouldn't have to fight off blocks from OL very often.
In a 3-4 scheme one of the ILB is going to have a role like that of a 4-3 SAM and one ILB will be 'protected' much like a MLB/WILL.

And for the ILB role known as 'buck' i think Blades is better suited then Rocky.

BTW-Maybe small is the wrong word, but i think you know what i mean
Blades at 5'10 242 is much more stout then Rocky at 6'2 238.

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[quote=davy;657747]How I see the switch to 3-4 happening...

[IMG]http://attheridge.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/square-peg-round-hole.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

[COLOR="DarkOrange"][B]During a conference call Monday to discuss his first Pro Bowl appearance, Skins linebacker London Fletcher said he didn't think the transition would be a problem.

"Our main defense was basically an under front that was similar, really, to what Dallas did ... the way we aligned our front," said Fletcher. "The only difference was instead having a stand-up outside linebacker, Andre Carter just had his hand on the ground. You can imagine him standing up, we're pretty much Dallas."[/B][/COLOR]

[url=http://www.fanfeedr.com/nfl/2010/01/25/fletchers-ok-with-a-3-4-defense]FanFeedr | NFL | 25 Jan 10 | Fletcher’s OK with a 3-4 defense[/url]

Its not going to be a seamless transistion but i don't think its quite the round peg square hole you make it out to be.

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[quote=30gut;658252]Because Blades has actually played 4-3 SAM backer.
Meaning he's used to the pounding of taking on and shedding blocks.
In a 4-3 scheme that we run the Rocky the WILL is protected by design and shouldn't have to fight off blocks from OL very often.
In a 3-4 scheme one of the ILB is going to have a role like that of a 4-3 SAM and one ILB will be 'protected' much like a MLB/WILL.

And for the ILB role known as 'buck' i think Blades is better suited then Rocky.

BTW-Maybe small is the wrong word, but i think you know what i mean
Blades at 5'10 242 is much more stout then Rocky at 6'2 238.[/quote]

i just don't see blades as the answer but maybe i'm wrong.

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[QUOTE=30gut;657743]I'm a bit late to the party but Haslett is a welcome change imo regardless of his scheme...

...I think that Haynesworth would make a good possibly great NT if he were to embrace the position, but most likely he won't. But he could be an equally disruptive 3-4 DE.


***[B]DE[/B]-Haynesworth (He should freakin dominate here)

[B]OLB[/B]-Orakpo-Beast***

Wow.. imagine those two on the same side

you nailed the Carter thing..he openly resisted playing LB
for the 49ers

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Haslett is actually by no means a surprising hire, Snyder wanted him in 1999 to replace Norv Turner even before he had officially bought the team. After purchasing the team he made an immediate move to get Haslett then the DC in Pittsburgh. Cower refused because he couldn't replace Haslett on such short notice just before training camp was about to begin. In fact Cower became so enraged at Snyder's poaching attempt that in 2004 he refused permission for Russ Grimm to join Gibbs' staff. Snyder has waited eleven years to get Haslett on the Redskins staff, the hiring of Shanahan helped make it possible for him.

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[quote=wolfeskins;658259]i just don't see blades as the answer but maybe i'm wrong.[/quote]

I'm not saying he's the 'answer'.
I'm just saying that he appears more suited to playing the 'buck' ILB in a 3-4 then any of our current linebackers.

Imo an 'answer' at that position would be Rolando McClain.

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[quote=30gut;658255][COLOR="DarkOrange"][B]During a conference call Monday to discuss his first Pro Bowl appearance, Skins linebacker London Fletcher said he didn't think the transition would be a problem.

"Our main defense was basically an under front that was similar, really, to what Dallas did ... the way we aligned our front," said Fletcher. "The only difference was instead having a stand-up outside linebacker, Andre Carter just had his hand on the ground. You can imagine him standing up, we're pretty much Dallas."[/B][/COLOR]

[url=http://www.fanfeedr.com/nfl/2010/01/25/fletchers-ok-with-a-3-4-defense]FanFeedr | NFL | 25 Jan 10 | Fletcher’s OK with a 3-4 defense[/url]

Its not going to be a seamless transistion but i don't think its quite the round peg square hole you make it out to be.[/quote]

The rest of that story is more along the lines I'm thinking...

"But I don't think it will be quite that simple for Fletcher and the Redskins. Brian Orakpo should be an excellent outside linebacker in a 3-4 but there's no guarantee that Carter makes an easy transition. And I think Fletcher may have the most difficult transition of any player for the Skins. In a 4-3, he could simply race to the football and make a ton of tackles. In a 3-4 scheme, he'll have to take on centers and guards that outweigh him by nearly 100 pounds on a regular basis.

Former Cowboys linebackers Dat Nguyen and Dexter Coakley were both smallish linebackers who tried to make the transition to Bill Parcells' favored 3-4. Coakley was soon playing for another team and Nguyen's career ended because of a neck injury. They had been highly effective players in Mike Zimmer's 4-3, but they were too small to excel in a 3-4 scheme.

Fletcher's an excellent linebacker, but I don't think he'll be as productive in a 3-4 scheme. The Redskins will start to look for larger inside linebackers in free agency and the draft."

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[quote=davy;658589]The rest of that story is more along the lines I'm thinking...

"But I don't think it will be quite that simple for Fletcher and the Redskins. Brian Orakpo should be an excellent outside linebacker in a 3-4 but there's no guarantee that Carter makes an easy transition. And I think Fletcher may have the most difficult transition of any player for the Skins. In a 4-3, he could simply race to the football and make a ton of tackles. In a 3-4 scheme, he'll have to take on centers and guards that outweigh him by nearly 100 pounds on a regular basis.

Former Cowboys linebackers Dat Nguyen and Dexter Coakley were both smallish linebackers who tried to make the transition to Bill Parcells' favored 3-4. Coakley was soon playing for another team and Nguyen's career ended because of a neck injury. They had been highly effective players in Mike Zimmer's 4-3, but they were too small to excel in a 3-4 scheme.

Fletcher's an excellent linebacker, but I don't think he'll be as productive in a 3-4 scheme. The Redskins will start to look for larger inside linebackers in free agency and the draft."[/quote]

I kinda addressed this earlier, but....

There are 2 ILB in a 3-4 scheme.
There is the 'buck' and the 'mack'.
The buck is usually a very stout player because they have to take on and shed blocks from fullbacks and OL.
The 'buck' is very similiar to a 4-3 SAM backer.

The uncovered or free hitter is the 'mack' he's the playmaker ILB his role is similiar to a 4-3 MIKE or WILL.

Here's a link that explains the roles a little:
[url=http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:DYtzHZJfIpkJ:www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/52391717.html+3-4+Linebackers+%27Buck%27+%27Mack%27&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us]Bishop captures attention - JSOnline[/url]

Both Rocky and Fletcher fit the 'mack' role much better then the buck role.
I think Blades is a better fit at the 'buck' position because he's actually played SAM backer and at 5'10 242 he's a sturdy dude.

The author of the article really didn't go into detail about which position he didn't think London was a fit for but right off the bat London (5'10 245) is bigger then either Coakley(5'10 230) or Nyugen (5'11 238) and he's been a more productive player then either Coakley or Nyugen. London's average tackles per season are higher then Coakley highest total and i think its higher then Nyugen's also.

Ray Lewis and A.J. Hawk are more similiar to London then Coakley or Nyugen and both have made successful transitions.
There is no question imo that a LB of Fletcher's ability can make the transition especially as the 'mack' ILB because his role won't change that much.
His 'numbers' might go down but i don't see any reason other then age or injury that he would be a less effective player.

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[quote=Longtimefan;658521]Haslett is actually by no means a surprising hire, Snyder wanted him in 1999 to replace Norv Turner even before he had officially bought the team. After purchasing the team he made an immediate move to get Haslett then the DC in Pittsburgh. Cower refused because he couldn't replace Haslett on such short notice just before training camp was about to begin. In fact Cower became so enraged at Snyder's poaching attempt that in 2004 he refused permission for Russ Grimm to join Gibbs' staff. Snyder has waited eleven years to get Haslett on the Redskins staff, the hiring of Shanahan helped make it possible for him.[/quote]

Ah the 'Snyder is still meddling' chorus.. So there's no merit to the fact that Shanny and Haslett spent 2 weeks together during the season discussing philosophy and watching tape? Snyder had numerous times to bring Haslett in if he was so determined to do so over the past 11 years.

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[quote=Paintrain;658979]Ah the 'Snyder is still meddling' chorus.. So there's no merit to the fact that Shanny and Haslett spent 2 weeks together during the season discussing philosophy and watching tape? Snyder had numerous times to bring Haslett in if he was so determined to do so over the past 11 years.[/quote]

Quite the contrary, Shanahan and Haslett meeting during the course of the season discussing strategies makes the union now even more understandable. Nothing to do with Snyder meddling, and we don't know for fact Snyder didn't want to get Haslett here on more than one occasion since his initial inquiry, circumstances associated with his being contracted elsewhere could have prevented it.

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Larry Michael interview

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2010/02/19/meet-the-coaches-jim-haslett-defensive-coordinator/]Meet The Coaches - Jim Haslett, Defensive Coordinator[/url]

Says Orakpo rushed about 400 times, want to get him to about 800 rushes this season

Haynesworth, will just have to sit down and explain to him what's going to happen and whatnot, could play end or tackle (but earlier didn't commit to 3-4)

Said he thought Carter would like what they could do with him in 3-4 vs the diff situation in SF

Loves Fletcher of course

A LOT of talk about turnovers needed

biggest challenge = overlook rank, turnovers = wins.. saints as example

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[quote=tryfuhl;664938]Larry Michael interview

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2010/02/19/meet-the-coaches-jim-haslett-defensive-coordinator/]Meet The Coaches - Jim Haslett, Defensive Coordinator[/url]

Says Orakpo rushed about 400 times, want to get him to about 800 rushes this season

Haynesworth, will just have to sit down and explain to him what's going to happen and whatnot, could play end or tackle (but earlier didn't commit to 3-4)

Said he thought Carter would like what they could do with him in 3-4 vs the diff situation in SF

Loves Fletcher of course

A LOT of talk about turnovers needed

biggest challenge = overlook rank, turnovers = wins.. saints as example[/quote]

Haynesworth isn't looking for adulation to become inspired. I think he wants to see the d coordinator use a scheme that maximizes his own abilities, because as $100 million man on defense Albert believes (rightly IMO) the defense should be built around him. Blache didn't do that well enough. Our run defense sagged badly against good running games. Hopefully Haslett can make it happen.

...one thing that worries me is Haslett's comments about the Saints defense. Overall stats didn't matter all that much for Williams' group because he was a flat out genius this year about dialing up the pressure at the right time to create turnovers. Would Williams also like to have a shut-down defense (especially among the front seven)? Of course!!! Haslett, IMO, doesn't have near the genius Williams possesses when it comes to scheme and reading an offense. His defenses have been underwhelming.