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[quote=SirClintonPortis;668656][url=http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2009/08/ny_giants_backup_quarterback_d.html]NY Giants backup quarterback David Carr has learned from past experiences to not expect compliments from assistant coach Chris Palmer | - NJ.com[/url]

Carr seems like a dude who seems to get scared. That may result in a hesitant trigger-finger as well, but I only going by what I hear, since I've never seen him play when he was playing a lot.[/quote]

I don't know. Obviously I'm not to attached to the idea but it does seem intriguing if we need to find a veteran QB to compete with a rookie.

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[quote=Warren Suite Jr;668569]First of all i dont agree with a 3-4 defense never been a big fan of it! Take the lose and get of hanyesworth! He is a cur!! Fat albert out of shape and a crybaby! We need hungry (young)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Players. Who play with heart and passion for the game!!!! Like ray lewis!!!!!! Im not saying go get ray but his heart his attitude playing hard everydown hungry wanna prove something players and agian young i cant say young enough!!!!!!!!!!!!! Forget about peppers he will want too much many!!!!!!!!!! We need to learn from our past mistake lets build a young team that will be good for ten years not 2!!!!!![/quote]

Rosetta Stone man...Rosetta Stone

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Matt Klap FB Oklahoma. Is Very similar to Peyton Hillis, can catch and is a fast strong running FB. Good replacement for sellers.

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So I just got the new draft preview magazines out now on shelves. Here are a few things I noticed.

-Jared Veldheer never allowed a sack his entire college career at Hillsdale college(sure its a D2 college, but still thats very impressive)

-Jeff Byers from USC sounds like a great prospect for the OL for us
- all the magazines were sure to note that Jason Fox of Miami is best at zone blocking (future RT for the redskins???? I've been mentioning him for a while)
- Arthur Moats of James Madison is a very quick DE, who maybe moved to 3-4 OLB in the NFL, which last I heard is a position of need for us. Plus he got the award for best I-AA player which Jared Allen won.
-Petrus (as I've mentioned before) sounds like a great zone blocker as well, at Guard.

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Pretty good interview with Zoe Alexander on redskins.com. Sounds like he's going to play at around 270 lbs. Wow.

There seems to be a good vibe and mental shift going on at Redskins Park. I like.

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[quote=SmootSmack;668702]Rosetta Stone man...Rosetta Stone[/quote]

You don't think Hayesworth is a cur? :D

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[quote=12thMan;674956]Pretty good interview with Zoe Alexander on redskins.com. Sounds like he's going to play at around 270 lbs. Wow.

There seems to be a good vibe and mental shift going on at Redskins Park. I like.[/quote]


Yeah good interview nice guy a team guy.

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Are Kemo or Montgomery flexible enough to play DE in the 3 - 4?

I was wondering if we could have a front 3 of Godzilla, Montgomery and Kemo on running downs.

That would be disgusting...

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I don't know about Mont.. but kemo would be a NT straight up I'd imagine

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Kemo's flexible enough if healthy, but probably won't be asked to do it. Montgomery, probably not, I'd say.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;676159]Are Kemo or Montgomery flexible enough to play DE in the 3 - 4?

I was wondering if we could have a front 3 of Godzilla, Montgomery and Kemo on running downs.

That would be disgusting...[/quote]

Dont forget about Golsten and Daniels, both of them play the run better than Monty. For some reason I think Golsten is going to do really well at end in 3-4 ish defense. LB is the only real issue I see.

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I doubt Monty plays much and won't be surprised if he's not on the team for the whole season. He really needs to step up to last...

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[quote=The Goat;676378]I doubt Monty plays much and won't be surprised if he's not on the team for the whole season. He really needs to step up to last...[/quote]

Well other than Kemo and Haynesworth, do we have any other DTs? If not then I'm sure he'll stick around.

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A couple of teams have asked about Monty, so far we've said no

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And we have Golston, and Daniels will slide inside on occasion

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[quote=SmootSmack;676410]A couple of teams have asked about Monty, so far we've said no[/quote]

Any idea on what they've been willing to give up for Monty?

Although, after Kemo, isn't Monty the only other player that has the ideal physique for a NT?

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[quote=SmootSmack;676410]A couple of teams have asked about Monty, so far we've said no[/quote]

any decent offers or do we just plan to straight up keep him?

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I don't know what the offers have been. The Rams and I think Bengals (?) were interested

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Alright thanks.

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[quote=SmootSmack;676486]I don't know what the offers have been. The Rams and I think Bengals (?) were interested[/quote]

Then maybe the Redskins will, come draft day, trade monty and other players and picks to St. Louis, maybe for Carriker, or maybe for their first, but something is up thats for sure.

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Horton said that he'd play weakside linebacker if needed

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2010/03/24/chris-horton-discusses-position-changes/]Chris Horton Discusses Two Position Changes[/url]

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[quote=tryfuhl;677948]Horton said that he'd play weakside linebacker if needed

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2010/03/24/chris-horton-discusses-position-changes/]Chris Horton Discusses Two Position Changes[/url][/quote]

Huhhhhhhhhhh? Nanda-yo?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;677963]Huhhhhhhhhhh? Nanda-yo?[/quote]

Ehh he was just replying to a question asked of him, didn't mention that it was likely, just that he'd do what they told him to.

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[quote=tryfuhl;677965]Ehh he was just replying to a question asked of him, didn't mention that it was likely, just that he'd do what they told him to.[/quote]

Lol, sorry I just wanted to say that and the Chris Horton revelation seemed like the perfect time.

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[quote=tryfuhl;677948]Horton said that he'd play weakside linebacker if needed

[URL="http://blog.redskins.com/2010/03/24/chris-horton-discusses-position-changes/"]Chris Horton Discusses Two Position Changes[/URL][/quote]

I used to advocate this idea a while ago.. Horton plays like a LB when he's close to the line, and not to mention he has enough speed.. I really do think this would be good idea, given our safety depth with Landry, Moore and Doughty.. We would simply be putting all of our best players on field if we move Horton to LB..

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Horton would need to add some serious beef to play LB, he's listed at 6-1, 211

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[quote=Mattyk;677992]Horton would need to add some serious beef to play LB, he's listed at 6-1, 211[/quote]

Bowen is 6'1" and 222. Not that I think he's a starter-quality LB.

I think Horton could to it if absolutely necessary, but I hope it doesn't come to that. I'd prefer to have someone comfortable with playing LB at the spot.

He would have to beef up, I do agree about that, but there are plenty of LBs around that size. Just spot-checking a few other teams' rosters, the Cards have a few LBs in the 230 range...almost the Falcons entire LB crew is 220/230 range, Ravens have a LB at 225, Bills have a lot in the 220-230 range, even one at 219.

We seem to have much larger LBs than most teams weight-wise, which is surprising with short LBs like Fletcher and Blades.

Horton has a lot of talent, I think he could do it.

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[quote=tryfuhl;677948]Horton said that he'd play weakside linebacker if needed

[URL="http://blog.redskins.com/2010/03/24/chris-horton-discusses-position-changes/"]Chris Horton Discusses Two Position Changes[/URL][/quote]


He better put on 20 pounds or more, then.

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[quote=Buster;677994][B]Bowen [/B]is 6'1" and 222. Not that I think he's a starter-quality LB.

[/quote]

Is that a comparison or a typo?

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;678010]He better put on 20 pounds or more, then.[/quote]

I seriously doubt that it's a likely possibility.

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[quote=tryfuhl;678238]I seriously doubt that it's a likely possibility.[/quote]

Then we can cross off him playing LB

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Really? Horton at LB in the 3-4. Really? I'm no expert but the 3-4 typically works best w/ outside guys who can rush the passer well and inside guys who stuff the run (tackling machines). Horton doesn't fit either mold.

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Horton's a linebacker at heart: with the physical build of a defensive back.

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Shannahan is smart, he's either putting out a big hint that we might take Suh or McCoy to potentially attract trades, or he's simply being honest in that they are open to running more 4-3. I would love to see Suh & AH together inside. I know that O line is a major need, but Suh seems too good to pass up if he falls to #4. (of course the signing of Kemo does indicate some 3-4)

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/3-4-defense/mike-shanahan-elaborates-on-wh.html]Redskins Insider - Mike Shanahan elaborates on what Redskins' defense will be[/url]

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Heres some Return men for us to look at:


Finally, Kevin Weidl of Scouts Inc. was kind enough to run through the best return prospects in the draft:
Return Specialists

These guys will either be drafted or signed as free agents strictly for their return skills. Due to lack of size, they will need a creative offensive coordinator to contribute offensively at the next level.

Brandon Banks, Kansas State (5-7, 159) -- Banks is the top pure returner in this years’ class. He possesses a nice combination of vision, quickness, speed and elusiveness to consistently set offenses up with favorable field position.

Brandon James, Florida (5-6, 176) -- James possesses great vision to locate and the short-area burst to quickly get through first line of defense. He also displays a quick stop and start and is very reliable tracking and fielding punts. Questionable overall long speed to outrun defenders when they have favorable angle in pursuit.

Trindon Holliday, LSU (5-5, 172) -- World-class track speed, and has the ability to exploit even the slimmest of creases. He is shifty but lacks elite elusiveness to make defenders miss in confined areas.

Other prospects that bring added value as returners (sorted by position);

Running backs

C.J. Spiller, Clemson -- The most dynamic and versatile offensive weapon in this year’s class. Explosive short-area burst and elite top-end and long speed give him ability to rip off a big gain at any point in both phases of the return game.

Dexter McCluster, Ole Miss -- McCluster is pint sized (5-8) but shows great versatility and quickness to contribute as a change-of-pace back and wide receiver at the next level. Elite open-field capabilities make him dangerous as a punt returner.

Other RBs with returning experience: Joe McKnight, USC; Ben Tate, Auburn; Andre Dixon, UConn

Cornerbacks

Javier Arenas, Alabama -- Instinctive and tough football player who should step in and contribute immediately as a sub-package nickel back. Despite lack of elite top-end speed, Arenas is one of the more effective returners in this year’s class. I love his vision, balance and quick stop and start as a returner.

Kyle Wilson, Boise State -- Physical press corner who shows great anticipation and ball skills out on an island. Wilson brings added value as a reliable punt returner with good speed and open-field capabilities.

Devin McCourty, Rutgers -- Not many holes in McCourty as a cornerback. Easy change of direction, strong overall ball skills, plays bigger than size indicates and not afraid to get jersey dirty in run support. McCourty is one of the most versatile special teams prospect in this year's class, an effective kick returner and outstanding gunner with punt coverage.

Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, IUP -- Possesses a nice combination of size, speed and ball skills teams covet as either a press corner or free safety at the next level. Owusu-Ansahis a strong open-field runner who has experience as both a kickoff and punt returner.

Other cornerbacks with returning experience: Perrish Cox, Oklahoma State; Syd’Quan Thompson, Cal; Walter Thurmond, Oregon; Dennis Rogan, Tennessee

Wide receivers

Golden Tate, Notre Dame -- Aggressive, savvy and sure-handed and should develop into at least a strong No. 3 WR at the next level. Reliable punt returner with good vision, balance and deceiving top-end speed.

Damian Williams, USC -- Smooth athlete and one of the most polished route runners in this year’s receiver class. Despite lack of top-end speed, Williams will consistently field punts cleanly and has enough elusiveness to pick up positive yardage.

Mardy Gilyard, Cincinnati -- Instinctive and passionate playmaker on the field who should develop into a solid No. 3 WR. By no means a burner, but a difference-maker as a returner in both phases as he shows elite body control and never slows down out of cuts.

Jacoby Ford, Clemson -- World class track speed and should be a nice vertical threat at the next level. Elite top-end speed gives him ability to hit the home run at any point as both a kick and punt returner.

Antonio Brown, Central Michigan -- Quicker than fast, and should contribute working out of the slot at the next level. Brown brings added value as both a kick and punt returner with his open field capabilities and overall elusiveness.

Other receivers with returning experience: Jordan Shipley, Texas; Emmanuel Sanders, SMU; Andre Roberts, Citadel; David Reed, Utah

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[quote=freddyg12;678337]Shannahan is smart, he's either putting out a big hint that we might take Suh or McCoy to potentially attract trades, or he's simply being honest in that they are open to running more 4-3. I would love to see Suh & AH together inside. I know that O line is a major need, but Suh seems too good to pass up if he falls to #4. (of course the signing of Kemo does indicate some 3-4)

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/3-4-defense/mike-shanahan-elaborates-on-wh.html]Redskins Insider - Mike Shanahan elaborates on what Redskins' defense will be[/url][/quote]

We should have the best d-line in football if this scenario plays out. I don't know what that's worth when you're OTs are among the very worst in football. I mean right now we have a very decent dline (worse than last year's since Griff is gone) but an absolutely terrible oline.

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[quote=The Goat;678661]We should have the best d-line in football if this scenario plays out. I don't know what that's worth when you're OTs are among the very worst in football. I mean right now we have a very decent dline (worse than last year's since Griff is gone) but an absolutely terrible oline.[/quote]

You don't think Kemo is an upgrade over Griff?

He is assuming Griff's spot on the injury report.

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[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/ross_tucker/03/22/stereotypes/index.html]Toby Gerhart, Myron Rolle seek to overcome NFL stereotypes - Ross Tucker - SI.com[/url]

This is an article that relates to something I have mentioned a while ago about how we shouldn't get Gehrhart because he's a white running back, and I believe that SFRedskin was the one I was debating this about. Nice article though.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;679036][url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/ross_tucker/03/22/stereotypes/index.html]Toby Gerhart, Myron Rolle seek to overcome NFL*stereotypes - Ross Tucker - SI.com[/url]

This is an article that relates to something I have mentioned a while ago about how we shouldn't get Gehrhart because he's a white running back, and I believe that SFRedskin was the one I was debating this about. Nice article though.[/quote]


Good article, a nice little look into NFL sterotypes.