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[quote=SkinDogg;661373]Lombardi Trophy is 22" tall, [B]weighs 7 lbs[/B]. Made by Tiffany.[/quote]

Was wondering why it's never been dropped.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;661399]Was wondering why it's never been dropped.[/quote]

Benson almost fell over while he was holding it, but I guess that had more to do with age than the weight of the trophy. :)

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[quote=Dirtbag359;661399]Was wondering why it's never been dropped.[/quote]

Rod Gardner's never won a Super Bowl, that's why

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Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Brett Farve, Peyton Manning. I think it's safe to call the Saints the legend killers.

[quote=SmootSmack;661402]Rod Gardner's never won a Super Bowl, that's why[/quote]

Thats cold. It's also the reason why Braylon Edwards will never win a Super Bowl.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;661399]Was wondering why it's never been dropped.[/quote]


That would be a sacrilege to drop it, and very embarrasing to boot. It isn't that big of an object, just a small base with a slighly smaller than regulation football on top. Think about all those NHL guys that hoist the Stanley Cup over their heads. I am waiting to see some poor guy fall on his ass while trying to lift it up, on ice skates no less.

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Peyton Manning is still better than Tom Brady, Brady had defenses and was a game manager like a Trent Dilfer for the ravens or Brad Johnson for the Bucs

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[quote=CultBrennan59;661409]Peyton Manning is still better than Tom Brady, Brady had defenses and was a game manager like a Trent Dilfer for the ravens or Brad Johnson for the Bucs[/quote]

Errrr, I agree with you on Peyton being better then Brady but calling Brady a game manager is a little silly. The guy holds the record for most TD passes in a single season with 50. Game managers don't do that.

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Hail to the Saints (just this one time).

Williams D was nearly perfect I might add. He kept blitzing and while they got burned for the first TD and then for some longer completions the blitzing finally paid off w/ the pick six. It was dialed up beautifully.

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[quote=The Goat;661411]Hail to the Saints (just this one time).

Williams D was nearly perfect I might add. He kept blitzing and while they got burned for the first TD and then for some longer completions the blitzing finally paid off w/ the pick six. It was dialed up beautifully.[/quote]

The Colts were like the Redskins offense before Sherm Lewis tonight. 17 points.

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[quote=SmootSmack;661402]Rod Gardner's never won a Super Bowl, that's why[/quote]

Nice one.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;661410]Errrr, I agree with you on Peyton being better then Brady but calling Brady a game manager is a little silly. The guy holds the record for most TD passes in a single season with 50. Game managers don't do that.[/quote]

And game managers don't have ridiculous seasons pre-Moss with receivers led by Troy Brown. Brady is that good.

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Garrett Hartley was money for the Saints... long FG's kept them in the game early and that onside kick was awesome.

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What a game. Told my roomie it'd be 31-24.. thought the Colts would get 1 more

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I knew there would be atleast one article about Peyton's tendency to "choke" in big games, after he threw that last pick to end the game... I don't really believe all that crap since he has won a SB... Sure it was against Rex Grossman but he won the big game. Most of my buddies think he's still a "choke artist" and I think there's some good arguments to be made for either way

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Peyton-Manning-Back-to-being-a-choker-?urn=nfl,218134]Peyton Manning: Back to being a choker? - Shutdown Corner - NFL Blog - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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I didnt think this game was especially exciting but when the Saints went for it on 4th (getting stuffed) and then pulled off the onside kick I knew they were going to let it all hang out to win so I was glad they won.

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[quote=Chevy13;661451]I knew there would be atleast one article about Peyton's tendency to "choke" in big games, after he threw that last pick to end the game... I don't really believe all that crap since he has won a SB... Sure it was against Rex Grossman but he won the big game. Most of my buddies think he's still a "choke artist" and I think there's some good arguments to be made for either way

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Peyton-Manning-Back-to-being-a-choker-?urn=nfl,218134]Peyton Manning: Back to being a choker? - Shutdown Corner - NFL Blog - Yahoo! Sports[/url][/quote]

good article

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Greg Williams is a great defensive coordinator. End of discussion. I think there are a few coaches out there that actually make a difference and he is one of them....along with Rex Ryan. Not sure if he will ever get a shot again as a head coach but he deserves one.

Payton has big big balls and I bet he learned that aggressive style while coaching under Parcells.

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[quote=Chevy13;661451]I knew there would be atleast one article about Peyton's tendency to "choke" in big games, after he threw that last pick to end the game... I don't really believe all that crap since he has won a SB... Sure it was against Rex Grossman but he won the big game. Most of my buddies think he's still a "choke artist" and I think there's some good arguments to be made for either way

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Peyton-Manning-Back-to-being-a-choker-?urn=nfl,218134]Peyton Manning: Back to being a choker? - Shutdown Corner - NFL Blog - Yahoo! Sports[/url][/quote]

Manning didnt choke, his WRs did. Many times PM delivered great passes in the face of pressure only to have his WRs drop the ball. Garcon & Wayne both dropped big passes that really could have changed the game.

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Outside of the pick which was simply a great play by Porter, Manning played great. I don't buy the choke talk at all.

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[quote=Mattyk;661462]Outside of the pick which was simply a great play by Porter, Manning played great. I don't buy the choke talk at all.[/quote]

thats basically what the article says

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[quote=53Fan;661397]Brady's Super Bowls always came with a great defense. I've always felt Mannings teams made the playoffs in spite of how mediocre the team actually was. They were last in the league in rushing this year and still made the Super Bowl. Manning deserves a lot of credit for this. Throughout NE's SB years, if Manning had been their QB, they would have won just as many if not more IMO. I don't think Brady would have had nearly as much success on the Colts.[/quote]

No they didn't. Brady didn't play for the 86 Bears or the 2000 Ravens. His Defenses were good, not great. AND Manning has had WAY MORE talent around him, yet he consistently under-achieves. As a matter of fact, if it weren't for Brady's pathetic Receivers (future hall of famers, Troy Brown and Jabar Gaffney) dropping passes, last night would have been Manning's first Super Bowl. Manning is this generations Dan Marino. Brady is this generation's Joe Montana. Manning has 29TDs and 18INTs in the playoffs. AVERAGE!

Manning is Brady's bitch!

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[quote=44Deezel;661464]No they didn't. Brady didn't play for the 86 Bears or the 2000 Ravens. His Defenses were good, not great. AND Manning has had WAY MORE talent around him, yet he consistently under-achieves. As a matter of fact, if it weren't for Brady's pathetic Receivers (future hall of famers, Troy Brown and Jabar Gaffney) dropping passes, last night would have been Manning's first Super Bowl. [B]Manning is this generations Dan Marino. Brady is this generation's Joe Montana[/B]. Manning has 29TDs and 18INTs in the playoffs. AVERAGE!

Manning is Brady's bitch![/quote]

many would argue if you take the rings out marino is a much better qb than montana

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[quote=mlmdub130;661467]many would argue if you take the rings out marino is a much better qb than montana[/quote]

Absolutely, Marino is the best QB to ever play but he doesnt have any rings. Its not like this is golf where one man controls his own destiny, its a team game and maybe if Miami had a D he might have won a few titles.

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Why do we have to have these silly arguments about who is the greatest of all time?
Montana, Manning, Marino, Bradshaw, Brady, Jurgensen, etc. were all great. Different strengths and weakness'.
Brees played great once he heated up in after the 2nd quarter. Might he win another SB?

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Forget who said it but I like the argument of best of [I]their[/I] time. Makes a little more sense to do it that way since you really can't fairly compare across different eras of the game.

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[quote=44Deezel;661464]No they didn't. Brady didn't play for the 86 Bears or the 2000 Ravens. His Defenses were good, not great. AND Manning has had WAY MORE talent around him, yet he consistently under-achieves. As a matter of fact, if it weren't for Brady's pathetic Receivers (future hall of famers, Troy Brown and Jabar Gaffney) dropping passes, last night would have been Manning's first Super Bowl. Manning is this generations Dan Marino. Brady is this generation's Joe Montana. Manning has 29TDs and 18INTs in the playoffs. AVERAGE!

Manning is Brady's bitch![/quote]

BS. There was no comparison between Indy's defense and NE's during those years. They might not have been the Bears or Ravens but they were pretty damn good. To say otherwise is just ignorant.

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[quote=mlmdub130;661467]many would argue if you take the rings out marino is a much better qb than montana[/quote]

Take the rings out?!?! Let's take out TD passes while we're at it. And passing yards too.

Marino was awesome. Manning is awesome. No argument here.

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[quote=Mattyk;661478]Forget who said it but I like the argument of best of [I]their[/I] time. Makes a little more sense to do it that way since you really can't fairly compare across different eras of the game.[/quote]

good point espescially when we know sammy baugh was the greatest to ever play the game

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[quote=53Fan;661483]BS. There was no comparison between Indy's defense and NE's during those years. They might not have been the Bears or Ravens but they were pretty damn good. To say otherwise is just ignorant.[/quote]

And there's no comparison between Indy's offense and NEs during those years either. Nobody said the Pats had bad Defenses those years, but they aren't even in the discussion of all time great Defenses. Like you said, they were pretty damn good. Not great!

Before this year, Manning was 0-3 when his team was the #1 seed going into the playoffs. Compare his team's regular seasons to their playoff performances, and they chronically UNDER-ACHIEVE!

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NE 2001 OFF Rank -6 DEF Rank-6 Points allowed 272
INDY 2001 OFF Rank -2 DEF Rank-31 Points allowed 486

NE 2003 OFF Rank -12 DEF Rank-1 Points allowed 238
INDY 2003 OFF Rank -2 DEF Rank-20 Points allowed 336

NE 2004 OFF Rank -4 DEF Rank-2 Points allowed 260
INDY 2004 OFF Rank -1 DEF Rank-19 Points allowed 351

If Manning had the same defenses NE had he'd have multiple rings too. He did more with less. Manning's offenses would have been hard-pressed to be anywhere near the top without him. Brady had the luxury of a strong defense getting turnovers and holding down the oppositions score and time on the field. Spin it any way you want. It is what it is.

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Its pretty said when the day after the SB the band is more soar then the players.

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[quote=firstdown;661499]Its pretty said when the day after the SB the band is more soar then the players.[/quote]

Luckily for The Who, they can return to their wheelchairs and sponge baths today.

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[quote=Lotus;661502]Luckily for The Who, they can return to their wheelchairs and sponge baths today.[/quote]

:laughing- That was pretty lame. My GF wasn't even sure who they were. She asked me if the league got them to play because of "Who Dat." I really couldn't give a good reason why they were chosen to play. Maybe it was Seniors Week in Miami? Or is it always Seniors Week in Miami?

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[quote=53Fan;661505]:laughing- That was pretty lame. My GF wasn't even sure who they were. She asked me if the league got them to play because of "Who Dat." I really couldn't give a good reason why they were chosen to play. Maybe it was Seniors Week in Miami? Or is it always Seniors Week in Miami?[/quote]

I've loved The Who for decades so I have nothing against the choice. But it sure was Old Geezers Hour. At least with the geriatrics there can be no "wardrobe malfunctions." If Roger Daltrey had shown some nipple, the stadium would have cleared and the second half would have been canceled.

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[quote=itvnetop;661425]Garrett Hartley was money for the Saints... long FG's kept them in the game early and that onside kick was awesome.[/quote]

Hartley didn't kick the onside kick though, thought was Morstead.

By the way, who'd have thunk the Cardinals and Saints, two franchises whose names have been synonymous for decades with incompetence, would be repping the NFC in the SB in back to back years?

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[quote=SmootSmack;661511]Hartley didn't kick the onside kick though, thought was Morstead.

[B]By the way, who'd have thunk the Cardinals and Saints, two franchises whose names have been synonymous for decades with incompetence, would be repping the NFC in the SB in back to back years?[/B][/quote]

Maybe the Skins time is near? ;)

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[quote=Lotus;661508]I've loved The Who for decades so I have nothing against the choice. But it sure was Old Geezers Hour. [B] At least with the geriatrics there can be no "wardrobe malfunctions." If Roger Daltrey had shown some nipple, the stadium would have cleared and the second half would have been canceled[/B].[/quote]

:laughing2

Janet Jackson costume malfuntion = :thumb:

Roger Daltrey costume malfuntion = :eek:

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The SB halftime was once again a snooze-fest. The Who? Really?

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[quote=Lotus;661508]I've loved The Who for decades so I have nothing against the choice. But it sure was Old Geezers Hour. At least with the geriatrics there can be no "wardrobe malfunctions." If Roger Daltrey had shown some nipple, the stadium would have cleared and the second half would have been canceled.[/quote]

That's exactly why they were picked, they are safe. Its funny that they are considered safe now considering how out there they were back in their hey-day.

I love The Who but last night they sucked. The vocals had no power/energy and everything seemd slow & tired.

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60 year old rock stars trying to recapture their youth is kinda sad really. Maybe good for a 70's or 80's retro tour but that's about it.