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[quote=12thMan;675780]From what I've heard about Jay Shroeder, he was just an all-around asshole 24/7. He was very aloof and he didn't even get along with guys on the offensive line. But hey, I don't know Jay Shroeder so take it with a grain of salt.

But we can't have it both ways. People say Campbell is too soft, not vocal enough, and somehow infer that he's not a passionate and capable leader. And now Clausen is too cocky and incapable of leading players. Well we don't know that for sure, do we? I tend to be in the camp if you're winning leadership takes care of itself. I think there really is a fine line between being an asshole and being passionate.[/quote]

Well, the America's Game documentary for that Super Bowl year basically mentions that he conducted himself as if he was 'above' the o-line. It's on hulu.com if you're interested.

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[quote=GTripp0012;675824][url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d816ffb3c&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Mock draft 3.0: Domino effect, need for OTs, could drop Suh[/url]

Not a huge fan of Bucky Brooks' analysis, but he's well networked, and in particular, his mock didn't come off as someone who was just trying to make a name for themselves by throwing crap at a wall. There's some interesting happenings here.[/quote]

I could definitely see some surprising things happening this coming draft. Between teams adjusting their needs through free agency and the potential for trades, this should be a very interesting draft.

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[quote=Redskin Jim;675823]I think we all were at that particular moment, especially Jay Schroeder. Unfortunately for him his ego wore thin on the team fairly quick.[/quote]

When Doug Williams left SB XXII on the last series of the 1st qtr. and was replaced by Schroeder, he was sacked on the very first play. Doug later said even if his leg had been broken there was no way he was going to stay out of that game, knowing after being down 10-0 our chances would have diminished with Schroeder.

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[quote=Lotus;675818]I don't know how much this thinking should or should not apply to Clausen.[/quote]Agreed. I seem to remember another Redskins QB who many thought was cocky and a prima donna, that turned out with a SB XVII win and a record setting offense in the next season.

A link from the OM Field on Clausen, not bad info:

[URL="http://www.theomfield.com/2010/03/jimmy-clausen-files.html"]The Om Field: The Jimmy Clausen Files[/URL]

Also, thought you guys might like this:

[IMG]http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs487.ash1/26638_1322279254963_1170275085_30981660_1861455_s.jpg[/IMG]

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I agree with the NFL total access people, if you get tebow and want him to be successful, he has to go to an Indy or New England to learn from some great older QB, to even be successful in a few years from now, and this is coming from a huge florida gator fan, whose been watching tebow closely for the last 4 years.

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[quote=12thMan;675768]I wouldn't mind seeing Maryland's OT come here.[/quote]

If we spend our first pick on him I would immediately start questioning the sanest of our front office. This guy is not a first round pick based on his play. If your impressed over rated combine stats, then yes he is a first rounder.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;675918]I agree with the NFL total access people, if you get tebow and want him to be successful, he has to go to an Indy or New England to learn from some great older QB, to even be successful in a few years from now, and this is coming from a huge florida gator fan, whose been watching tebow closely for the last 4 years.[/quote]


Funny thing about that is with those odds Tebow (assuming he is drafted by NE or Indy) has a better chance to make it then say Bradford. So much great talent goes to black hole teams and they wash away.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;675850]Agreed. I seem to remember another Redskins QB who many thought was cocky and a prima donna, that turned out with a SB XVII win and a record setting offense in the next season.

A link from the OM Field on Clausen, not bad info:

[URL="http://www.theomfield.com/2010/03/jimmy-clausen-files.html"]The Om Field: The Jimmy Clausen Files[/URL]

Also, thought you guys might like this:

[IMG]http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs487.ash1/26638_1322279254963_1170275085_30981660_1861455_s.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

No, he's not wearing #7.

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[quote=Buster;675993]No, he's not wearing #7.[/quote]If he asked, Theismann being a ND guy would probably let him. C'mon, get on the Clausen bandwagon.....I saved a seat for ya.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;675918]I agree with the NFL total access people, if you get tebow and want him to be successful, he has to go to an Indy or New England to learn from some great older QB, to even be successful in a few years from now, and this is coming from a huge florida gator fan, whose been watching tebow closely for the last 4 years.[/quote]

i dont see how tom brady or peyton manning could teach Tebow anything that sexy rexy or pineapple jesus couldnt.

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This is exactly what the Redskins should do, follow the Dolphins example:


[B] If you look at what Bill Parcells and the Dolphins did when they first got to South Florida, they took the best left tackle in the draft in Jake Long. He'll likely start at that position for the next eight or nine seasons. They eventually selected Chad Henne, but the Dolphins didn't rush the process. It was Chad Pennington who led the team to the playoffs in '08.

Taking Clausen in the first round might be the most exciting move the Redskins could make, but acquiring a cornerstone of the offensive line will provide a better foundation. You guys on board with Okung at No. 4 or do you want Clausen? Use the "comments" section to answer The Big Question.[/B]

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Difference is Jake Long wasn't just the best OT in the draft, he was also one of the best OTs in a while. Okung isn't quite as dominant

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;676122]This is exactly what the Redskins should do, follow the Dolphins example:


[B] If you look at what Bill Parcells and the Dolphins did when they first got to South Florida, they took the best left tackle in the draft in Jake Long. He'll likely start at that position for the next eight or nine seasons. They eventually selected Chad Henne, but the Dolphins didn't rush the process. It was Chad Pennington who led the team to the playoffs in '08.

Taking Clausen in the first round might be the most exciting move the Redskins could make, but acquiring a cornerstone of the offensive line will provide a better foundation. You guys on board with Okung at No. 4 or do you want Clausen? Use the "comments" section to answer The Big Question.[/B][/quote]

It is also true that the Fins finished 7-9 last year in part due to struggles at the QB position. Their recipe is a good one but not foolproof.

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this is a very deep draft for OTs. i think as long as we nab one with LT potential in the first two rounds, we'll be ok. ideally, we can trade down and get another 2nd rounder. however, if we're stuck at 4, i think were much better off drafting okung than reaching for clausen. as of right now, those seem to be the two most popular theories.

what would really be interesting to see is if bradford, okung, and clausen were all gone before we picked. (with buffalo trading up for clausen). in that case, we likely wouldnt have anyone offering to trade with us, since both of the elite DTs would be available. i wonder what we would do if that scenario played out.

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[quote=Lotus;676139]It is also true that the Fins finished 7-9 last year in part due to struggles at the QB position. Their recipe is a good one but not foolproof.[/quote]

They also picked up some wins until the rest of the league figured out what the heck they were doing lining up their RB at QB and QB at WR. Just like a new pitcher from Japan, the second time the opponents face him, they're not quite as confused and his ERA goes up.

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I still say trade down, get more picks, draft a OT and OG with the first 2 picks, find a QB in the 3rd (if we get a pick) or 4th round.

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I there's a guy playing in the NFL right now, who would you guys compare Clausen to. I'm talking size, physical ability, and football acumen.

Any names come to mind?

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[quote=12thMan;676261]I there's a guy playing in the NFL right now, who would you guys compare Clausen to. I'm talking size, physical ability, and football acumen.

Any names come to mind?[/quote]
Alex Smith

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[quote=SmootSmack;676136]Difference is Jake Long wasn't just the best OT in the draft, he was also one of the best OTs in a while. Okung isn't quite as dominant[/quote]

Really? I heard doubts about his ability to play LT in the NFL due to a perceived lack of foot quickness. Not overwhelming doubts mind you but there were a few experts that thought he might be a hair to slow to be a dominant LT.

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[quote=12thMan;676261]I there's a guy playing in the NFL right now, who would you guys compare Clausen to. I'm talking size, physical ability, and football acumen.

Any names come to mind?[/quote]Physically smaller Phillip Rivers, with a slightly stronger arm.

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Clausen will be there for his Pro Day, but won't be working out

He's waiting till Apr 9th and will be working with Golden Tate

[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Clausen-not-working-out-at-Notre-Dames-pro-day.html]Clausen not working out at Notre Dame's pro day | National Football Post[/url]

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[quote=Redskin Jim;676263]Alex Smith[/quote]

Not at all, they came from two completely different offenses. Also, Alex Smith is a horrible short and deep ranged passer, however, he's excellent on the mid range passes. Alex Smith can not play under center. They tried, and Singeltary said f*ck it and instituted the spread offense because the guy is hopeless under center. Alex Smith is very inefficient at reading defenses and getting rid of the ball quickly whenever he's blitzed. Clausen on the other hand, the kid is money when it comes making quick decisions whenever he's under pressure, and he's deadly accurate on short, medium, and deep range passes. He's also has the deep-out patterns mastered.

He's going to be our QB, everyone should just start getting use to it. However, I like it that our base isn't going gaga over him, that way when he comes to Washington he'll have to earn the respect of his team and the fanbase.

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Vinnie (Look-inna-my-eyes) Cerrato has a new title: Count!


Count Look-inna-my-eyes!

He's in the Clausen corner.

As if this is any news, and of any real value.


[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/nfl-draft/count-vinny-cerrato-among-thos.html]Redskins Insider - Count Vinny Cerrato among those who like Jimmy Clausen[/url]

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this kind of reminds me of when everyone was all over Ricky Williams jock then come draft day Indy picked Edge over RW. Maybe the Rams are in love with Clausen.

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[quote=backrow;679422]Vinnie (Look-inna-my-eyes) Cerrato has a new title: Count!


Count Look-inna-my-eyes!

He's in the Clausen corner.

As if this is any news, and of any real value.


[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/nfl-draft/count-vinny-cerrato-among-thos.html]Redskins Insider - Count Vinny Cerrato among those who like Jimmy Clausen[/url][/quote]

Vinny's not a bad talent evaluator. The thing is that he's horrible at putting a team together. Everything from a culture that overpayed outsiders, failed to hold players accountable, and a coaching staff that was hand tied by players circumventing their authority. Then the propensity to overdraft skilled players it's no wonder this team was such a mess. It was a miracle that Gibbs was able to put together two winning seasons. However from a scout perspective I feel Cerrato is decent.

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Vinny Cerrato loves a ND qb? Unbelievable. He gushes anytime he speaks of anything ND. Maybe we need to run the other way.

Kidding of course. Well, kind of kidding.

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i'm really hoping that cleveland doesn't trade up to snag him.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;679429]Vinny's not a bad talent evaluator. The thing is that he's horrible at putting a team together. Everything from a culture that overpayed outsiders, failed to hold players accountable, and a coaching staff that was hand tied by players circumventing their authority. Then the propensity to overdraft skilled players it's no wonder this team was such a mess. It was a miracle that Gibbs was able to put together two winning seasons. However from a scout perspective I feel Cerrato is decent.[/quote]Agreed.

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If Cleaveland were dumb enough to trade up to get clausen, then either Suh or McCoy would fall to us at 4 and we'd have multiple teams calling us with offers to trade up to our pick. IMO that would be a great scenario for us.

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I'd also like to point out that the Redskins apparent lack of interest in Clausen could easily be a smoke screen. I think someone else on this forum brought this up but no one knew the Bronco's were looking at Cutler. Heck they didn't even spend one of their 30 pre draft visits on him if I heard correctly. So just remember Clausen could easily be a Redskin with the 4th pick. Then again this front office has played things close to the vest and a close to the vest pick would be an offensive lineman.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;679441]I'd also like to point out that the Redskins apparent lack of interest in Clausen could easily be a smoke screen. I think someone else on this forum brought this up but no one knew the Bronco's were looking at Cutler. Heck they didn't even spend one of their 30 pre draft visits on him if I heard correctly. So just remember Clausen could easily be a Redskin with the 4th pick. Then again this front office has played things close to the vest and a close to the vest pick would be an offensive lineman.[/quote]Such a smokescreen would only be reasonable if there was legitmate belief that he could be gone by your pick. This is a guy who had toe surgery in January, hasn't run or thrown for anyone since, and probably won't do much before the draft. I can't imagine going in on Clausen on blind faith that everything that was "seen" on tape will translate.

I mean, we are going to personally interview him like any other suitor would, but I think the percieved lack of interest is just that -- a lack of interest.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;679438]If Cleaveland were dumb enough to trade up to get clausen, then either Suh or McCoy would fall to us at 4 and we'd have multiple teams calling us with offers to trade up to our pick. IMO that would be a great scenario for us.[/quote]

yeah man, i would be all for that. 4th overall would be worth a move down into the middle of the first and another pick early in the 2nd. that would be sweet.

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[quote=GTripp0012;679445]Such a smokescreen would only be reasonable if there was legitmate belief that he could be gone by your pick. This is a guy who had toe surgery in January, hasn't run or thrown for anyone since, and probably won't do much before the draft. I can't imagine going in on Clausen on blind faith that everything that was "seen" on tape will translate.

I mean, we are going to personally interview him like any other suitor would, but I think the percieved lack of interest is just that -- a lack of interest.[/quote]

Thats also a possibility to. Maybe the lack of interest is just that, but it wouldn't surprise me if we did draft him. This front office has just been throwing curve balls and sliders left and right. The only thing I've noticed as I've said before is most of the choices they've made are conservative.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;679441]I'd also like to point out that the Redskins apparent lack of interest in Clausen could easily be a smoke screen. I think someone else on this forum brought this up but no one knew the Bronco's were looking at Cutler. Heck they didn't even spend one of their 30 pre draft visits on him if I heard correctly. So just remember Clausen could easily be a Redskin with the 4th pick. Then again this front office has played things close to the vest and a close to the vest pick would be an offensive lineman.[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing. Such a smokescreen could be used to:
a) discourage QB-hungry others from trading up ahead of us or
b) increasing leverage to check out trade down offers, just in case

The Rams can let everyone know what they are thinking. We, at #4, would be fools to give anything away, regardless of what our thinking is.

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I wonder if vinny has a lot of influence on the redskins with Clausen; I wonder if he's calling DS saying "This is my guy he's going to be a great QB" when he really wants this franchise to suck, as you've seen through his free agency hires and drafts.

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If we pick Clausen, it will have nothing to do with VC. I wouldn't say he's persona non-grata in Redskins Park, but he's got no say.

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I seen quite a few ND games and i think this guy is a franchise qb. I know you have a lot of people that don't like him. However, he's mobile, accurate in and outside of the pocket, good arm strength, and makes good decisions. If we drafted him at 4, I wouldn't be mad at all.

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I agree with most of you guys with this. Allen and Shanny will not tell anyone what they're doing. I'm sure you guys have already noticed how much attention Sam Bradford is getting? Well just wait till Jimmy Clausen goes and throws just as well, We have the prefect situation in this draft if you asked me. The lions will not take Okung because they had the worst defense in the league, they'll take Suh or Mccoy and the bucs will take what's left. We'll be able to chose from A) Russel Okung B) Jimmy Clausen C) Eric Berry and every one of those positions would help our team out. Don't be surprised if we trade some players to get a second round pick (Rogers, Rocky, Andre, etc.) and go all out on offensive linemen in the second round to compliment our 37th already.
Basically my point is weither it's Jimmy Clausen or Russell Okung our team has improved and probably more with a pick like Clausen. A guy who will do whatever it takes to play as successful as he did in college and give our team an arrogant QB to get into some teams heads. Let's only hope that these guys don't bust like 60% of them do. I can barely wait for April 22nd!

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So this is interesting...the Redskins are apparently holding private workouts with Sam Bradford and Jimmy Clausen...on the same day. April 15th. I must have my info crossed up, because I can't imagine they'd hold them on the same day. But that's the info I have now

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[quote=Landry44;679725]I seen quite a few ND games and i think this guy is a franchise qb. I know you have a lot of people that don't like him. However, he's mobile, accurate in and outside of the pocket, good arm strength, and makes good decisions. If we drafted him at 4, I wouldn't be mad at all.[/quote]

At first I was against Clausen. I kept hearing how Bradford was far and away better then Clausen. I kept hearing how Bradford has the most accurate arm and the best strength. I heard how the next most accurate QB is McCoy.

The way I saw it we have JC, and Grossman who have strong arms. Their just not accurate. Who knows what we have in Colt he can't stay healthy enough to find out and then there is Bartel.

Recently though I've heard and read how Clausen is climbing the board and has looked accurate and looks to have the arm strength. I'm not a homer. So whoever MS and KS feels would be best to run their offense would be satisfactory with me. I'm just not feeling the Tebow is our guy mancrush. Sorry.