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I would take a look at Leigh Bodden and Aaron kampfman as cheaper alternatives to Peppers and Dunta Robinson.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;668881]I would take a look at Leigh Bodden and Aaron kampfman as cheaper alternatives to Peppers and Dunta Robinson.[/quote]

I thought Aaron Kampman was being let go because he'll fit better as a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB?

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Call me greedy, but I want now AND later. The best players on our already fearsome defense are staying. The ones who are in limbo are ALL FILLER to me ESPECIALY Carlos Rogers. Whoever we get on defense needs to be in one of two categories...

Immediate difference makers
Young immediate difference makers

Period. Peppers is neither. He has zero years left of his best years. He may have 2 years left where he plays good enough to start for a team with an average defense. This is going to be expensive and pointless.

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[quote=Ruhskins;668882]I thought Aaron Kampman was being let go because he'll fit better as a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB?[/quote]

yes he was just like Carter was allowed to walk from San Fran because he didn't fit any of the variations of the 3-4 which Mike Nolan ran.

And Leigh Bodden is shaky to sign IMO, he was always being picked on I feel whenever I saw NE play last year.

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[quote=Ruhskins;668882]I thought Aaron Kampman was being let go because he'll fit better as a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB?[/quote]Not true really. He probably is better with his hand on the ground, but he still has impressive numbers from the first half of last year, and proved he could make it as a 3-4 OLB.

I think the Packers are letting him hit the market because 1) he's coming off a major knee injury, and 2) they were just fine defensively without him last year.

That's a combination that makes it tough for the Packers to justify a long term deal there. That is a big red flag on him, but if he's healthy, he's got 2-3 more years as a top end pass rusher in this league.

He's a good alternative to Peppers in a 3-4 defense, but unlike Peppers, HE himself might want to avoid signing with a team to play the 3-4.

re: Peppers signs with the Bears (updated - again)
 

I'm not sure Kampman wants to play in a 3-4, I thought he wasn't a big fan of being converted to LB?

re: Peppers signs with the Bears (updated - again)
 

[quote=Beneil (diehard since 87);668887]Call me greedy, but I want now AND later. The best players on our already fearsome defense are staying. The ones who are in limbo are ALL FILLER to me ESPECIALY Carlos Rogers. Whoever we get on defense needs to be in one of two categories...

[B]Immediate difference makers[/B]
Young immediate difference makers

Period. Peppers is neither. He has zero years left of his best years. He may have 2 years left where he plays good enough to start for a team with an average defense. This is going to be expensive and pointless.[/quote]

I would say that Peppers would be an immediate difference maker. Peppers puts up double-digit sacks almost every year. At LB across from Rak, we would have a devastating rush linebacker set-up.

It seems that a better argument against Peppers is that he will never be able to provide full value for the contract that he likely will be signing simply because no one could ever perform up to such an enormous contract.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;668890]And Leigh Bodden is shaky to sign IMO, he was always being picked on I feel whenever I saw NE play last year.[/quote]

Leigh Bodden had a good season in my opinion, I saw the opposite of you. Here are his stats for 2009:

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=4800]Leigh Bodden Game Log - New England Patriots - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;668897]I'm not sure Kampman wants to play in a 3-4, I thought he wasn't a big fan of being converted to LB?[/quote]Agreed that if he gets a comparable offer from a 4-3 defense, he's going to choose to put his hand in the dirt.

From our perspective though, I think he'd be a good alternative to signing Peppers. But if you're asking me if I think we can get him to come here, I'm not sure we can without vastly overpaying.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;668946]Leigh Bodden had a good season in my opinion, I saw the opposite of you. Here are his stats for 2009:

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=4800"]Leigh Bodden Game Log - New England Patriots - ESPN[/URL][/quote]Looks like he was Mark Sanchez' favorite receiver last year.

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Here are Dunta Robinson's stats:

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=5535]Dunta Robinson Game Log - Houston Texans - ESPN[/url]

Here are Bodden's:

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=4800]Leigh Bodden Game Log - New England Patriots - ESPN[/url]

I would say from looking at the stats that they are comparable with the edge going to Bodden on an interception for a TD and lots of passes defended.

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The usual cornerback stats are always insufficient because what really matters is often the CB is target and how well he performs with regards to all of those times he's targeted.

That said, I thought that Wilhite kid would be the one suffering the most after last year's preseason game...but he got the starting job from O'Neil.

re: Peppers signs with the Bears (updated - again)
 

Is there a short list for Lito Shepphard yet?

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;668963]The usual cornerback stats are always insufficient because what really matters is often the CB is target and how well he performs with regards to all of those times he's targeted.
[/quote]

[url=http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=CB&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1]ProFootballFocus.com - By Position[/url]

re: Peppers signs with the Bears (updated - again)
 

Love me some Brandon Carr.

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[quote=tryfuhl;669091][url=http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=CB&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1]ProFootballFocus.com - By Position[/url][/quote]

Thanks for the link.

Wow, Dunta Robinson is on the very bottom of the list. Was he suffering from an injury or somehting?

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;669098]Thanks for the link.

Wow, Dunta Robinson is on the very bottom of the list. Was he suffering from an injury or somehting?[/quote]

Well those numbers can become interesting, say you play a bend/don't break D like we have, you'll give up more catches/higher percentage vs thrown at and the like. There are some very clear cut leaders (Revis, Woodson, etc) towards the top of the list, but when you have a guy ranked in the 90s that shouldn't be there you know that stats can't tell all.

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Clearing the way for one of the CBs to come here by releasing Smoot?

Dunta has had a couple of serious injuries over the years. Freakish stuff though so I wouldn't say he has a history. Just bad luck.

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Smoot's release really just means they're ready to give Tryon and Barnes a greater role

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[quote=SmootSmack;669314]Smoot's release really just means they're ready to give Tryon and Barnes a greater role[/quote]

I am comfortable with Tryon as the nickel.

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[quote=SmootSmack;669314]Smoot's release really just means they're ready to give Tryon and Barnes a greater role[/quote]

So will your new name be TryonSmack? LOL.

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[quote=SmootSmack;669314]Smoot's release really just means they're ready to give Tryon and Barnes a greater role[/quote]

I think it just means they want you to change your user name again! :)

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[quote=Ruhskins;669318]So will your new name be TryonSmack? LOL.[/quote]

Aw come on go easy on him. If anyone needs a name change it's 53Fan and DoughtyDoubter.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;669321]Aw come on go easy on him. If anyone needs a name change it's 53Fan and DoughtyDoubter.[/quote]

Or anyone who had "Zorn" in their name. LOL.

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[quote=Ruhskins;669324]Or anyone who had "Zorn" in their name. LOL.[/quote]

True true. I think Gibbs is one of the few names that sticks.

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I can't wait to change my name. SirPeytonHillis would be awesome, but Mccrapniels needs to be a good dog and capitulate to Master Shanahan.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;669334]I can't wait to change my name. SirPeytonHillis would be awesome, but Mccrapniels needs to be a good dog and capitulate to Master Shanahan.[/quote]

I'll change mine to OkungSkins! LOL.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;669334]I can't wait to change my name. SirPeytonHillis would be awesome, but Mccrapniels needs to be a good dog and capitulate to Master Shanahan.[/quote]

Good luck with that. The evil MattySmack wouldn't even let me take the 359 off my name :FIREdevil

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[quote=Dirtbag359;669389]Good luck with that. The evil MattySmack wouldn't even let me take the 359 off my name :FIREdevil[/quote]
But yet I distinctly remember him having a 72 or something at the end of his name. Hmmmmmm...

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[quote=Ruhskins;669349]I'll change mine to OkungSkins! LOL.[/quote]

Suhskins would only be a one letter change

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[quote=WaldSkins;669399]Suhskins would only be a one letter change[/quote]

:laughing2

Good one!

I'll bear the burden of having a major name change for Okung though. :)

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[quote=freddyg12;669319]I think it just means they want you to change your user name again! :)[/quote]

It's a risk I took when I changed it back after we re-signed him. The name stays.

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[quote=SmootSmack;669407]It's a risk I took when I changed it back after we re-signed him. The name stays.[/quote]

Who were you before? Sheriff, RamseyFan, or TAFKAS?

[quote=SirClintonPortis;669394]But yet I distinctly remember him having a 72 or something at the end of his name. Hmmmmmm...[/quote]

:FIREdevil Why yes, where is that 72 these days? :FIREdevil

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I requested a name change a few years ago. Seemed as mine may have not been the best of long term decisions. LOL!

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[quote=Dirtbag359;669413]Who were you before? Sheriff, RamseyFan, or TAFKAS?[/quote]

I was Offiss Baugh Mills Jr.

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[quote=Ruhskins;669324]Or anyone who had "Zorn" in their name. LOL.[/quote]

seriously, we need a warpath amnesty program, which allows anyone whose name was inspired by Zorn or Zornisms to make a once in a lifetime name change. I particularly feel for maroonandblack30.

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Can we really change names? Not that I want to right now...

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[quote=The Goat;669442]Can we really change names? Not that I want to right now...[/quote]

I don't know, we were just messing around with the whole name thing.

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Smoot can :)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;669440]seriously, we need a warpath amnesty program, which allows anyone whose name was inspired by Zorn or Zornisms to make a once in a lifetime name change. I particularly feel for maroonandblack30.[/quote]


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