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Never mind I got it in the "First Cuts" thread.

Betts
Cartwright
Smoot
Griffin
R.Thomas
ARE
Collins
Mason
E.Williams
Skolnitsky

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[quote=SmootSmack;669305]No surprises here. Well, actually there were a couple of more guys that were close to being cut but...made the cut it seems.

But this is what we talked about a couple of weeks ago. That there would be major changes to the current roster. Shanahan and Allen have no loyalties to anyone on the roster and they've never been afraid to make changes

And there's more to come. Skins seem really intent on shipping Rocky and Campbell out ideally by this weekend (regardless of what they're saying).

Lots of Browns rumors floating around. Some good, some not so good. Depending on your perspective I suppose.[/quote]

What are your sources on shipping JC out by this weekend?

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;669326]Randle El

Todd Collins
Marcus Mason
Eddie Williams, a FB (not to be confused with Edwin Williams)[/quote]

I did make the mistake. E.Williams the FB got injured right and didn't play.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;669330]What are your sources on shipping JC out by this weekend?[/quote]

He'd have to kill you if he told you.

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[quote=Ruhskins;669320]So we get rid of our average QB for a mediocre QB (Anderson) or a QB with the situation where the jury is still out on him? Screw that, give me the pick, let's draft Bradford and get a vet QB in free agency if that's the case.[/quote]

Well Rogers is the best player in the trade, Anderson has accomplished a ton more than Campbell ever has and like you said, the jury is still out on Quinn. I would rather have Okung/Davis and either Quinn/Anderson then Bradford and a second round pick.

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I wonder if SmootSmack and jsteelz from ES are in collaboration?

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[quote=GTripp0012;669325]Campbell not being here doesn't make Bradford a better pick. Okung is still the best choice if he's available.[/quote]


I agree Tripp. O linemen first and maybe even second. I have been looking at these QB draft sites. Most of these guys look to go in the 6th round with the exception of the "fabulous" ones and the kid from West Va. I f we do get a second first round for JC get Okung and Bradford/Clausen/McCoy or if Shanny really wants to rebuild the oline with youth use both for O linemen. I still think guys like Lefevour, Stull, Hall can be the next Ryan.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;669335]Well Rogers is the best player in the trade, Anderson has accomplished a ton more than Campbell ever has and like you said, the jury is still out on Quinn. I would rather have Okung/Davis and either Quinn/Anderson then Bradford and a second round pick.[/quote]

REALLY? Anderson??? You've GOTTA be fucking kidding me!!! Anderson sucks balls. Rogers was hurt during the latter part of the season, and the Browns actually won when he was hurt. And if we're going to go with an unproven QB, then let's draft one.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;669323]Dude what are you smoking? Those guys are horrid. I know the Browns have their problems, but we are way better off using the second round pick to get another rook QB. This year is a banner crop for QBs. Get your franchise guy, then get another young guy as the 3rd stringer that might actually compete for the starting position. I mean if we do trade JC, that leaves us only with Brennan, and that experiment is a bit shaky.[/quote]


Well, I think that the trade scenario as a whole was pretty unrealistic so I said throw in one of their QBs.

Banner Crop for QBs? Then why would we use the 4th pick on one when stud tackles are available and LT is absolutely our biggest need.

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[quote=The Goat;669312]I don't get the move to trade Rocky. I could see him bulk up a bit and play ILB in a 3-4...obviously he's not an edge-rusher. I wonder if the drive to trade him means we're def getting Dansby?[/quote]

Also keep an eye on what we're able to do in terms of adding 2nd/3rd round picks and how far Brandon Spikes falls.

He's falling and the Skins are watching that

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[quote=Ruhskins;669333]He'd have to kill you if he told you.[/quote]


Does he have insider access? We tendered JC so whoever takes him is going to give up a first round pick. I find that hard to believe, even if it is a future first rounder.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;669341]Well, I think that the trade scenario as a whole was pretty unrealistic so I said throw in one of their QBs.

[B]Banner Crop for QBs?[/B] Then why would we use the 4th pick on one when stud tackles are available and LT is absolutely our biggest need.[/quote]

I question your opinion on QBs after saying that Anderson was a good QB.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;669337]I wonder if SmootSmack and jsteelz from ES are in collaboration?[/quote]

Who's that?

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[quote=Ruhskins;669340]REALLY? Anderson??? You've GOTTA be fucking kidding me!!! Anderson sucks balls. Rogers was hurt during the latter part of the season, and the Browns actually won when he was hurt. And if we're going to go with an unproven QB, then let's draft one.[/quote]

I thought the trade in general was amusing so I threw in one of their QBs.

But to my point, Anderson has undoubtedly accomplished more than JC. Don't believe me, look it up.

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I don't follow college ball enough...but w/ a name like Spikes I mean he must be good :)

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I could see us signing a guy like Chad Pennington.

Getting rid of JC and TC. To clear the way for the rookie and the new vet. All be it a better option then we had here in the first place.

Chad did bring the dolphins back from extinction a couple of years ago, nothing tells me he couldn't do it here. Ha.

Trading Rocky M. doesn't make sense to me as he has proven he can get work done in this league. Unless we sign Larry Foote, Carlos Dansby, and Julius Peppers then keeping Rocky around makes no sense.

We need some ammo in the draft and I for one feel like we don't have nearly enough draft picks.

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[quote=Ruhskins;669344]I question your opinion on QBs after saying that Anderson was a good QB.[/quote]


Are pro-bowlers good?

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;669341]Well, I think that the trade scenario as a whole was pretty unrealistic so I said throw in one of their QBs.

Banner Crop for QBs? Then why would we use the 4th pick on one when stud tackles are available and LT is absolutely our biggest need.[/quote]

Be..cause.. we can pick up Pashos in FA to fill the LT spot and maybe pick up a FA RT or look to pick up a RT in the draft say the 2nd round after we pick up Bradford. ;)

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[quote=GusFrerotte;669330]What are your sources on shipping JC out by this weekend?[/quote]

Can't tell you. Also, not saying they will. Just that they'd like to

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;669348][B]I could see us signing a guy like Chad Pennington. [/B]

Getting rid of JC and TC. To clear the way for the rookie and the new vet. All be it a better option then we had here in the first place.

Chad did bring the dolphins back from extinction a couple of years ago, nothing tells me he couldn't do it here. Ha.

Trading Rocky M. doesn't make sense to me as he has proven he can get work done in this league. Unless we sign Larry Foote, Carlos Dansby, and Julius Peppers then keeping Rocky around makes no sense.

We need some ammo in the draft and I for one feel like we don't have nearly enough draft picks.[/quote]

Hell to the NO! He sucks. I liked him prior to his injuries with the Jets but now he couldn't throw a paper airplane.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;669351]Are pro-bowlers good?[/quote]In this specific case, no.

I think Quinn is more comparable to what you already have in Campbell, but I still think that's a small downgrade. However, what you're giving up in production, you're gaining in age. Which is not the case with Anderson.

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[quote=SBXVII;669352]Be..cause.. we can pick up Pashos in FA to fill the LT spot and maybe pick up a FA RT or look to pick up a RT in the draft say the 2nd round after we pick up Bradford. ;)[/quote]

Yeah, FA and RT spells FART, and that's what we'll get if we patch the line with old farts.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;669335]Well Rogers is the best player in the trade, Anderson has accomplished a ton more than Campbell ever has and like you said, the jury is still out on Quinn. I would rather have Okung/Davis and either Quinn/Anderson then Bradford and a second round pick.[/quote]



Always take the pick, especially with the bunch of guys you are talking about. Anderson is better than Quinn, but that is not saying too much. Do you take Anderson/ Quinn or get an extra pick where you could draft a QB. If the pick is for this draft we could draft another QB with it. Only QBs slated to be taken by the second round are the "fab" 4 and maybe Brown from WVa. We could land Bradford/Clausen and Lefevour/Stull/Hall/etc. I rather use our first two picks for linemen, but just saying I rather draft an extra QB in a QB deep draft than get Anderson.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;669343]Does he have insider access? We tendered JC so whoever takes him is going to give up a first round pick. I find that hard to believe, even if it is a future first rounder.[/quote]

That's not necessarily true. The other team doesn't have to give up a first rounder if the Redskins and the other team can agree on other compensation

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[quote=Ruhskins;669356]Yeah, FA and RT spells FART, and that's what we'll get if we patch the line with old farts.[/quote]

:laughing2

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[quote=SmootSmack;669353]Can't tell you. Also, not saying they will. [B]Just that they'd like to[/B][/quote]

Wouldn't we all

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Being that Cleveland is terrible, I don't really think we want any of thier QBs here.

All we need is a few more losers on the team to turn it around.

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[quote=Ruhskins;669356]Yeah, FA and RT spells FART, and that's what we'll get if we patch the line with old farts.[/quote]

Your a good speller. I don't think Pashos is an old fart and I too am glad we are getting rid of dead wood. Bring Pashos on as LT and pick up a QB in the 1st round. Hopefully we get another 1st round pick to get an OL or just take them in the second round.

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Pretty sure Derek Anderson will be flat out released soon. And if I remember right, I think I heard he could be heading to the Cardinals?

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;669351]Are pro-bowlers good?[/quote]

Anderson's Pro Bowl as a long time ago (or that's what it seems). He f'ing sucks. Just because you don't like Campbell, it doesn't mean that you have to come up with this Anderson BS. In one game last season, Anderson had TWO completions! In this league it is all about what you have done to me lately. Right now, you could trade Campbell for a pick (maybe a mid round pick), you couldn't get a ham sandwich and a coke for Anderson. Give me a break.

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[quote=The Goat;669359]:laughing2[/quote]


I agree. First two picks are tackles or a tackle and guard/center

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[quote=SBXVII;669362]Your a good speller. I don't think Pashos is an old fart and I too am glad we are getting rid of dead wood. Bring Pashos on as LT and pick up a QB in the 1st round. Hopefully we get another 1st round pick to get an OL or just take them in the second round.[/quote]

We need to get younger at the line. We can't depend on JUST old guys like Pashos. See people like you piss me off who think we can easily just patch the line and not use our draft resources on offensive lineman.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;669348]I could see us signing a guy like Chad Pennington.

Getting rid of JC and TC. To clear the way for the rookie and the new vet. All be it a better option then we had here in the first place.

Chad did bring the dolphins back from extinction a couple of years ago, nothing tells me he couldn't do it here. Ha.

Trading Rocky M. doesn't make sense to me as he has proven he can get work done in this league. Unless we sign Larry Foote, Carlos Dansby, and Julius Peppers then keeping Rocky around makes no sense.

We need some ammo in the draft and I for one feel like we don't have nearly enough draft picks.[/quote]
Patrick Ramsey has a better chance of coming back here than Shanahan grabbing the king of noodle arms; Ramsey was Cutler's backup in 2008. Pennington's smart and all, but you can say goodbye to the deep game and tight throws.

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Derek Andersen plays like a knucklehead and makes short throws seem like a chore. He HANDED us the win against the Browns in 2008 by throwing bad passes to his RBs that could have been taken for gains if he put some touch on them.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;669357]Always take the pick, especially with the bunch of guys you are talking about. Anderson is better than Quinn, but that is not saying too much. Do you take Anderson/ Quinn or get an extra pick where you could draft a QB. If the pick is for this draft we could draft another QB with it. Only QBs slated to be taken by the second round are the "fab" 4 and maybe Brown from WVa. We could land Bradford/Clausen and Lefevour/Stull/Hall/etc.[/quote]

Why the hell would we take 2 quarterbacks in the first two rounds when we had the worst line in the league?

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[quote=Ruhskins;669364]Anderson's Pro Bowl as a long time ago (or that's what it seems). He f'ing sucks. Just because you don't like Campbell, it doesn't mean that you have to come up with this Anderson BS. In one game last season, Anderson had TWO completions! In this league it is all about what you have done to me lately. Right now, you could trade Campbell for a pick (maybe a mid round pick), you couldn't get a ham sandwich and a coke for Anderson. Give me a break.[/quote]


Ummm. I do like Campbell. More than Bradford anyway.

All I said was that Anderson accomplished more than Campbell, which is undebatable.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;669373]Ummm. I do like Campbell. More than Bradford anyway.

All I said was that Anderson accomplished more than Campbell, which is undebatable.[/quote]

I think given how diluted the Pro Bowl has become, I think it's becoming less of a big deal to make it. But, my whole deal is that even if Anderson is more "accomplished' than Campbell, I wouldn't want any trade that would involve Campbell leaving and Anderson coming here.

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[quote=SmootSmack;669358]That's not necessarily true. The other team doesn't have to give up a first rounder if the Redskins and the other team can agree on other compensation[/quote]


That is cool. That means that deal can be done. I read the article about tendering JC and it made it seem that it would be hard for the Skins to get rid of him. To be honest the y need to keep JC for another season or two. I mean what vet is really going to come in and exceed what JC has done for us? The Cleveland trade BS about Anderson/Quinn would be a dwongrade over JC. Pennington also would be in my book. What decent FA Qbs other than the QBs just mentioned are still young or in their prime?

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[quote=GusFrerotte;669366]I agree. First two picks are tackles or a tackle and guard/center[/quote]

I do believe Skins fans are jumping on the Bradford wagon w/o much reason. He's probably going in the top 3 and we're not trading up. He doesn't fit the mold of a Shanny QB...lightning quick release and monster arm. Bradford has a decent release time and a relatively weak arm. I just don't see any reason to believe Shanny has fallen in love w/ the kid the way others have.

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[quote=Ruhskins;669377]I think given how diluted the Pro Bowl has become, I think it's becoming less of a big deal to make it. But, my whole deal is that even if Anderson is more "accomplished' than Campbell, I wouldn't want any trade that would involve Campbell leaving and Anderson coming here.[/quote]


Anderson definitely earned it in 2007. He had a huge year. He led his team to the playoffs.

Do you consider Fletcher a Pro-Bowler? He got in on a technicality.