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[quote=dirtythirty;673573]Im not saying LJ is the best running back ever. I dont think one of those guys is a top ten best running back that has ever played besides Emmit. Guys like Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Marshal Fault, Erik Dickerson are top 10 backs......... I am just saying I hope he proves you haters wrong. I dont agree with the statement that once a runningback hit 30 his career is over. Those are just some guys who show age doesnt matter. Talk to me next year after protis gets hut and LJ carries the weight better than any of our backups have done in years. Oh and there are plent of more wr over 30 that have had very productive seasons...[/quote]


Martin and Bettis are 4th and 5th all time respectively. I could see you saying that they aren't top 5 all time but how do you leave them out of the top 10?

Don't group me as a "hater", I have been for the LJ signing as soon as it happened. You can disagree, with it but the statistics are pretty clear cut for 30 year old rushers.

I know that there are plenty of 30 year old receivers who have been productive. You missed my point. You gave 6 examples of runningbacks who had a good season at 30 or older. One is the all time leading rusher in the league and two of the others are in the top 5 of ALL TIME.

IMO, I think that LJ will be a good back for us. I am not sure he will ever go into a season as our starter.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;673581]Larry isn't going to make it to the HOF. Portis has a much better resume than him and I think Clinton is a huge longshot right now.[/quote]
Unless he copies off Riggo. Have monster years after a "downtime" and have huge SB performance, but what are the chances of that happening? :D
He has had fewer carries than Riggo at around this stage of their careers though.

Shanahan keeps his RB carries low as well. Portis never topped 300 carries during his time in Denver.

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[quote=53Fan;673556]I can't find anything on Larry Sr. playing for us. The closest thing I can find is Dennis Johnson playing during that time period at DT from Delaware. It's funny that LJ mentions going to the stadium and seeing Gary Clark etc. but makes no mention of his father playing for the Redskins. I think someone is mistaken about his dad playing for us.[/quote]

I'm curious as to how that story got circulated because I think it's a mistake as well. I even checked the Redskins data-base which list all of the players in Redskin history, there's a Larry Johnson listed there but a 1933 player, thus Larry Sr. would be eliminated. I wonder where Wikipedia got it's information from.

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[quote=Longtimefan;673588]I'm curious as to how that story got circulated because I think it's a mistake as well. I even checked the Redskins data-base which list all of the players in Redskin history, there's a Larry Johnson listed there but a 1933 player, thus Larry Sr. would be eliminated. I wonder where Wikipedia got it's information from.[/quote]

It's from Larry Sr.'s Penn State coaching bio. Wikipedia footnotes the link. Seems like Larry Sr. has some explaining to do.

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[quote=wilsowilso;673443]We should have signed that guy![/quote]

Chester Taylor is 29 I believe and he got a 5 yr 25 million dollar contract and he did not start last season.

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[quote=Coff;673506]This guy has made a career out of beating up women. I'm sorry, but I'd rather the Skins lose than win games with a-hole thugs like this.[/quote]

We already have lost games, remember 4-12. I guess you are ok with losing huh?

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We can use LJ... hell pound the hell out of the rock.
Hes a true power runner... but this wasnt my ideal pickup.

LJs 31... yep...Older than CP for all you Clinton haters so happy with the pickup.

I dont see this being a long term fit.

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Not to nitpick, but I guess I will anyway. LJ is a couple of months younger than Chester Peterson-Taylor who won't be playing behind one of the best offensive lines for the first time in a long time.

It will be interesting to see what Chester Peterson-Taylor will do in Chicago now that he's not playing behind one of the best, if not the very best, offensive line in all of football. He just never struck me as an every down back, but the Bears sure ponied up every down cash for him. We'll see I suppose.

I guess we can go ahead and re-title this thread, [I]"Let's Nitpick About Larry Johnson Until Training Camp Starts"[/I] thread. I'm game.

On a side note, it's mind boggling that John Riggins finished his career with 2,916 carries. I guess they don't make them like they used to.

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i really don't like this move. I'd prefer to go younger in the draft. I'm concerned Shanahan is remember LJ from when he was ripping up the AFC West 4 years ago, and letting that cloud his evaluation of who he is today.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;673583]Martin and Bettis are 4th and 5th all time respectively. I could see you saying that they aren't top 5 all time but how do you leave them out of the top 10?

Don't group me as a "hater", I have been for the LJ signing as soon as it happened. You can disagree, with it but the statistics are pretty clear cut for 30 year old rushers.

I know that there are plenty of 30 year old receivers who have been productive. You missed my point. You gave 6 examples of runningbacks who had a good season at 30 or older. One is the all time leading rusher in the league and two of the others are in the top 5 of ALL TIME.

IMO, I think that LJ will be a good back for us. I am not sure he will ever go into a season as our starter.[/quote]

Sorry dude. I had to call you on this. Curtis Martin and Jerome Bettis the 4th and 5th best RB of all time. Tell Ewan Macgregor to take the needle out of your arm, and no, babies cannot crawl upside down on ceilings.

Uhhhhhhhh......Sanders, Smith, Dickerson, Payton, Campbell, Brown, marcus Allen, Craig, Peterson, Tomlinson, OJ, Gale Sayers, Bo Jackson.......All of these guys I am sorry are better RB's than the two u mentioned. I know this thread isnt a who is the best of all time thread, but I had to make a rebuttle post when I saw that hazardous waste on the board.

Seriously, Martin and Bettis. I dont think Ive laughed so hard in my life.

Bettis was a very good back, but not even top 12 all time.

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And what if I am homosexual?[/QUOTE] - 12thMan

Well, then I would think your nick is more of a running tally than a football reference?

Not that there is anything wrong with that............

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[quote=Mechanix544;673620]Sorry dude. I had to call you on this. Curtis Martin and Jerome Bettis the 4th and 5th best RB of all time. Tell Ewan Macgregor to take the needle out of your arm, and no, babies cannot crawl upside down on ceilings.

Uhhhhhhhh......Sanders, Smith, Dickerson, Payton, Campbell, Brown, marcus Allen, Craig, Peterson, Tomlinson, OJ, Gale Sayers, Bo Jackson.......All of these guys I am sorry are better RB's than the two u mentioned. I know this thread isnt a who is the best of all time thread, but I had to make a rebuttle post when I saw that hazardous waste on the board.

Seriously, Martin and Bettis. I dont think Ive laughed so hard in my life.

Bettis was a very good back, but not even top 12 all time.[/quote]

In terms of career rushing yards, he's right. Curtis Martin is 4th all-time, and Jerome Bettis is 5th all-time.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;673583]Martin and Bettis are 4th and 5th all time respectively. I could see you saying that they aren't top 5 all time but how do you leave them out of the top 10?

Don't group me as a "hater", I have been for the LJ signing as soon as it happened. You can disagree, with it but the statistics are pretty clear cut for 30 year old rushers.

I know that there are plenty of 30 year old receivers who have been productive. You missed my point. You gave 6 examples of runningbacks who had a good season at 30 or older. One is the all time leading rusher in the league and two of the others are in the top 5 of ALL TIME.

IMO, I think that LJ will be a good back for us. I am not sure he will ever go into a season as our starter.[/quote]

I would not put Martin or Bettis in an all time top 10 either. Football is a sport where the record book is not really the final say on who was best. For instance i think most people would agree that Emmit Smith was not the best RB of all time even though he holds the record. I have easily seen more then 10 RB's in my lifetime that I think are better then Martin & Bettis. They were durable and played well for a long time but many other RB's were better IMO.

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We could bring in Sean Alexander (again) and complete the jeopardy category: Running Backs Who Were Good in 2006. I still think we should take Clausen/Bradford first if they are available, take all O-Linemen the rest of the way unless a really good RB/CB falls to us and assess those problems next year. This is the kind of deal your FO makes when you draft a rookie to develop at the spot, or a proven running back could be the last piece to becoming a contender. This is a rebuilding year and a signing like this is not necessary.

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[quote=celts32;673627]I would not put Martin or Bettis in an all time top 10 either. Football is a sport where the record book is not really the final say on who was best. For instance i think most people would agree that Emmit Smith was not the best RB of all time even though he holds the record. I have easily seen more then 10 RB's in my lifetime that I think are better then Martin & Bettis. They were durable and played well for a long time but many other RB's were better IMO.[/quote]

But again, he was right in terms of them statistically being 4th and 5th best all time. And the fact that they were able to play consistently well for so long shouldn't be dismissed.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;673601]i really don't like this move. I'd prefer to go younger in the draft. I'm concerned Shanahan is remember LJ from when he was ripping up the AFC West 4 years ago, and letting that cloud his evaluation of who he is today.[/quote]

How does signing Johnson prevent us from drafting a runningback? LJ is a bridge from Portis to our next long term runningback (s).

So you think Mike and Bruce were watching film from Larry's 1700 yard seasons instead of Johnson's film from the last two years? Last year Johnson did nothing in KC. He went to Cincy and averaged 4.4 a carry and even broke the c-note once.

That is the problem around here. We are so used to complete f-ing imbeciles like Vinny and Zorn that we expect dysfunction.

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[quote=Mechanix544;673620]Sorry dude. I had to call you on this. Curtis Martin and Jerome Bettis the 4th and 5th best RB of all time. Tell Ewan Macgregor to take the needle out of your arm, and no, babies cannot crawl upside down on ceilings.

Uhhhhhhhh......Sanders, Smith, Dickerson, Payton, Campbell, Brown, marcus Allen, Craig, Peterson, Tomlinson, OJ, Gale Sayers, Bo Jackson.......All of these guys I am sorry are better RB's than the two u mentioned. I know this thread isnt a who is the best of all time thread, but I had to make a rebuttle post when I saw that hazardous waste on the board.

Seriously, Martin and Bettis. I dont think Ive laughed so hard in my life.

Bettis was a very good back, but not even top 12 all time.[/quote]

When I said they were 4th and 5th all time it was referring to their rushing numbers. It is my fault for assuming that you could figure that out, I will never make that mistake again.

You are welcome for the laugh. Since I laugh that hard every time you post something, I owed you at least one.

Now, please continue with the stream of consciousness of a 6th grade football fan.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;673633]How does signing Johnson prevent us from drafting a runningback? LJ is a bridge from Portis to our next long term runningback (s).

So you think Mike and Bruce were watching film from Larry's 1700 yard seasons instead of Johnson's film from the last two years? Last year Johnson did nothing in KC. He went to Cincy and averaged 4.4 a carry and even broke the c-note once.

[B]That is the problem around here. We are so used to complete f-ing imbeciles like Vinny and Zorn that we expect dysfunction.[/B][/quote]
I absoulutely agree.

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By midseason Montario Hardesty will start for us, anyway. :)

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Watching LJ play against the Ravens on NFLN.

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[quote=Lotus;673650]By midseason Montario Hardesty will start for us, anyway. :)[/quote]

That would be sweet. ;)

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[quote=SmootSmack;673631]But again, he was right in terms of them statistically being 4th and 5th best all time. And the fact that they were able to play consistently well for so long shouldn't be dismissed.[/quote]

True he was right in that regard. They are definitely great players who played at a high level for a long time, but I just wouldn't rate them top 10 all time. It doesn't really matter though...the fact that they rank so high statistically still supports the original point that was made.

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[quote=Longtimefan;673526]I don't recall him playing on the 1974 team. I remember everyone on that team and he was not one of them. I can actually find no mention of him in any data-bases' associated with the NFL. Wiki/has him playing one year with the Redskins but dosen't mention what year.....maybe someone can share some information I haven't been able to locate.[/quote]

[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Add_Johnson_to_Running_Backs_Corps_108358.jsp]Redskins Sign Johnson to Strengthen Ground Game[/url]

The Redskins have signed free agent running back Larry Johnson, the team announced on Friday.

Johnson, 6-1 and 230 pounds, is a big, bruising back who has compiled 6,219 rushing yards and 55 touchdowns in eight seasons spent mostly with the Kansas City Chiefs.

Along the way, he earned two Pro Bowl berths and 2006 All-Pro accolades.

Johnson joins Clinton Portis, another two-time Pro Bowler, in the Redskins’ backfield.

Johnson, who grew up in Pomfret, Md., called the signing a "dream come true."

"Being from the Maryland area, [I] grew up watching the Redskins," Johnson said during a brief interview at Redskins Park on Friday. "That’s what was on the TV, the Redskins and Cowboys...There’s just so much history. I used to go to their camps--Gary Clark, Art Monk, all of those guys were there.

"It’s great to be in a city with all my family and friends and everybody I basically went to high school and college with that’s still down here. So it’s fun."

Added head coach Mike Shanahan: "We are excited to bring in a running back that has had so much success in this league. Larry is a physical runner who will be a great addition to our backfield."

Johnson, 30, played seven-and-a-half seasons with the Chiefs before he was released midseason last year. He joined the Cincinnati Bengals to close out the season.

In addition to his career rushing yards and touchdowns, Johnson has a 4.4 yards-per-carry average for his career.

As a receiver out of the backfield, he has caught 154 passes for 1,373 yards and six touchdowns.

Johnson has not been without some off-the-field issues in his career, but it’s hoped that he has put those incidents behind him as he returns to Washington.

Johnson entered the NFL as a first-round draft pick (27th overall) by the Chiefs in 2003. He played college football at Penn State.

Johnson had his two best NFL seasons in 2005-06, when he became just the third running back in NFL history to produce 1,750+ rushing yards in consecutive years.

Johnson owns the top two single-season rushing totals in Chiefs franchise history with 1,789 rushing yards in 2006 and 1,750 in 2005. His 1,789 rushing yards were a career high and his 416 rushing attempts that year marked an NFL single-season record.

In addition, Johnson has three of the top five single-game rushing marks in Chiefs history, including a 211-yard rushing performance at Houston on Nov. 20, 2005.

In 2005, Johnson rushed for 1,750 on 336 carries (5.2 yards-per-carry average) despite starting just nine games for the Chiefs.

[B]Johnson’s father, Larry Johnson, Sr., played for the Redskins in 1974. He would later become head coach at T.C. Williams High School in Alexandria, Va., and then move on to become an assistant coach at Penn State. He currently is defensive line coach for the Nittany Lions.[/B]

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^ Why is he not listed on any Redskins rosters? That just sounds like a copy from Wikipedia. It's strange.

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This should give Portis a lighter workload, so we won't run him into the ground. This would be such a scary backfield if they were both in their prime though.

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[quote=Lotus;673650]By midseason Montario Hardesty will start for us, anyway. :)[/quote]

haha yesss, i would love that move. i dont know that he will still be around when we draft in the 4th though.

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[quote=johno;673698]haha yesss, i would love that move. [B]i dont know that he will still be around when we draft in the 4th though.[/B][/quote]

My fear as well. However, in another thread Smootsmack is spinning the scenario where we swap #1's with Cleveland and get two of their third rounders. Montario Hardesty, here we come!

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[quote=Lotus;673702]My fear as well. However, in another thread Smootsmack is spinning the scenario where we swap #1's with Cleveland and get two of their third rounders. Montario Hardesty, here we come![/quote]

For the record, that scenario is not based on anything but my own wishes

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[quote=SmootSmack;673707]For the record, that scenario is not based on anything but my own wishes[/quote]

Come on SmootSmack, you got some pull don't you? :)

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[quote=Lotus;673702]My fear as well. However, in another thread Smootsmack is spinning the scenario where we swap #1's with Cleveland and get two of their third rounders. Montario Hardesty, here we come![/quote]

that would be awesome. only if wishing made it so. i am sp ready for the draft to happen already.

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[quote=53Fan;673710]Come on SmootSmack, you got some pull don't you? :)[/quote]

LOL...I wish

By the way, it's not guaranteed that the Browns got one of the Raiders 3rd round picks (even though Cleveland already has two of their own) for Wimbley. I've also heard a 4th; a 4th and a 6th; and a 4th and a 5th as the other possibilities. Don't think it's been confirmed yet.

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I dont see the browns letting go of any picks.........But hopefully we could get some quality picks in a package deal for some of our underperforming players...........

That would be a good day.

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[quote=SmootSmack;673707]For the record, that scenario is not based on anything but my own wishes[/quote]

Smootsmack said that the trade with Cleveland is in the bag.

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[quote=SmootSmack;673715]LOL...I wish

By the way, it's not guaranteed that the Browns got one of the Raiders 3rd round picks (even though Cleveland already has two of their own) for Wimbley. I've also heard a 4th; a 4th and a 6th; and a 4th and a 5th as the other possibilities. Don't think it's been confirmed yet.[/quote]

So I think it's confirmed now that it is a 3rd (not sure which one Oakland gave up though)

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Hey SS, while you're around, when is the name change going to occur? I mean, Smoot is no longer a Redskin after all...

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[quote=GMScud;673740]Hey SS, while you're around, when is the name change going to occur? I mean, Smoot is no longer a Redskin after all...[/quote]

Neither is Art Monk but we still artmonkhofin07 (or something like that). Until and unless Smoot signs with another team he's still a Redskin in my heart :)

Seriously though, the name SmootSmack was more about the brash attitude that his Smootness brought as a rookie (and not as much about the player) so I don't plan on changing it again...unless we sign Rex Grossman in which case...SexyRexy here I come!

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[quote=SmootSmack;673741]Neither is Art Monk but we still artmonkhofin07 (or something like that). Until and unless Smoot signs with another team he's still a Redskin in my heart :)

Seriously though, the name SmootSmack was more about the brash attitude that his Smootness brought as a rookie (and not as much about the player) so I don't plan on changing it again...unless we sign Rex Grossman in which case...SexyRexy here I come![/quote]

Ah yes, SexyRexy, he may become the last vestige of the ol' Ball Coach still haunting the Redskins. :D

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;673746]Ah yes, SexyRexy, he may become the last vestige of the ol' Ball Coach still haunting the Redskins. :D[/quote]

I actually don't think Grossman will be here (I mean he might be a last minute, as in close to training camp, signing) but I don't really see him making the final roster....could be wrong though

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[quote=skins89moss;673352]Well said. At last a Redskin fan that has a real football knowledge. We have some fans that need to Bit*h slapped.[/quote]

Sorry friend, there are plenty of us with a healthy amount of football knowledge who will always object to the signing of a man accused of multiple violent attacks on women. Further, your use of the term "bitch slap" when talking about Larry Johnson is just plain childish and ignorant.

I actually respect the football merit of the signing, and had this been any other player, I would support the move and the contract structure. However, in my mind there is no "gray area" when it comes to violence against women, and LJ has a long and well documented history of assaults on women, including brandishing a firearm and slapping one, shoving another to the ground, choking a third, and spitting on then threatening to kill yet another. He has been arrested or detained for four separate incidents since 2003...that's 7 years he's had to clean up his act and failed to do so.

The crowning jewel, of course, was getting jettisoned from his team mid-season last year for two separate incidents of running his mouth about the coaching staff and hurling racial and homophobic slurs at reporters.

So, again, I'll repeat, any other Joe with his numbers and I like this move, but LJ will never get a cheer or a clap out of me, and I will consider it a blight on the franchise so long as he is in the Redskins employ.

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A lot of those are allegations aren't they? Allegations that were never necessarily proven I believe. Could be wrong though, and like I've said before even one time is one time too many.

But I mean I guess it's like Gmanc said at the beginning of this thread, even though we don't really know what goes on in the personal lives of any of these players as long as we don't I guess it's ok to root for them. Ignorance is bliss.