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Although, as long as you can use arbitrary titles, I'd argue that any time you can receive a superstar running back with elite blocking skills for a malcontent corner and a second round pick, you should do it.

The key is to phrase it so that the players you are receiving are always franchise-changers. Even if you're just getting McNabb and Samuel. ;)

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[quote=skinsfaninok;678593]That's a horrible trade for Philly. I love Nnamdi but Samuel is a star CB, plus that basically says Oakland gets 2 Pro Bowlers for 1. No way this is a legit trade rumor. McNabb isn't going anywhere, every year he is mentioned in trade talks and every year he's an Eagle.[/quote]

This time of year there's always a lot of misdirection and subterfuge circulating around the league. Some of it deception, and some of it just plain lying and false information. Nonetheless, for some it makes for good speculative discussion.

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there's no way the rams will trade for 32-yr old McNabb. It doesn't even make sense. He'll get traded, if he's traded, to a contender or a fringe contender (Vikings, 49ers).

The 49ers makes the most sense because they have 2 first round picks and can add 2 contributors and probably get away with trading away a 2nd round pick for Mcnabb.

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[quote=GTripp0012;678605]Pro bowls? Really?

Any time you can package two un-elite players in a trade and get an elite performer, you have to do it.

I love both Carlos Rogers and Jason Campbell, but if I could package both of them for Nnamdi, I would have to do it. Likewise, Samuel and McNabb are both valuable players, but it's better to have the elite guy.[/quote]

I understand the point but who wouldn't trade Campbell and Rogers for that guy? McNabb and Samuel are on another planet compared to our guys.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;678478]True, but once they get some real film on him expect those numbers to go down, way down. I don't think KC or NO's game plan was to stop Kevin Kolb. Once he's the permanent starter, they'll start tailoring defenses that negates his strengths.[/quote]


He is pretty young and inexperienced. It is possible that he is a stud and those games are just the beginning.

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Gtripp... Basically your saying nnamdi can play qb for the eagles also because that's the point I was making. Samuel is a top 10 corner and mcnabb is a top 10 qb. So there is no way this would even happen. Having the "best" corner really doesn't mean a whole lot anymore. Btw Rogers and Campbell aren't even in the same discussion as mcnabb and Samuel.

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[quote=GTripp0012;678611]Although, as long as you can use arbitrary titles, I'd argue that any time you can receive a superstar running back with elite blocking skills for a malcontent corner and a second round pick, you should do it.

The key is to phrase it so that the players you are receiving are always franchise-changers. Even if you're just getting McNabb and Samuel. ;)[/quote]


So Champ was the malcontent? We were absolutely hosed in that deal. We gave up the premier corner in the league and a second round pick for a great runningback in Denver's system and above average runningback in Gibbs' system. Portis was never a superstar here.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;678621]So Champ was the malcontent? We were absolutely hosed in that deal. We gave up the premier corner in the league and a second round pick for a great runningback in Denver's system and above average runningback in Gibbs' system. Portis was never a superstar here.[/quote]

Champ Bailey was an unrestricted free-agent that had made it clear he didn'twant to play here any longer. He was free to sign with any team he wanted, so in reality we didn't trade Champ, we traded a 2nd round pick to Denver for Portis.

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why would mcnabb want to go to the shitty ass rams? you would think he'd rather retire.

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[quote=tootergray34;678637]why would mcnabb want to go to the shitty ass rams? you would think he'd rather retire.[/quote]

He is 34, has 3-6 more years of earning multi million dollar contracts. I imagine he would be willing to try to go there and convince himself he can be a difference maker there.

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[quote=Longtimefan;678632]Champ Bailey was an unrestricted free-agent that had made it clear he didn'twant to play here any longer. He was free to sign with any team he wanted, so in reality we didn't trade Champ, we traded a 2nd round pick to Denver for Portis.[/quote]


Last time I checked you can't trade UFAs. If we had paid him above market value(like we paid Portis even though there was another year left in his deal...) he would have been happy all the way to the bank.

No, in reality we traded Champ Bailey and a 2nd round pick for Portis.

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Rams are going to get Bradford or Clausen. Why get Donovan who will only be around for the forementioned 3-6 years, when they can groom a new franchise QB? I agree with the others, just some "noise" to throw folks off. Maybe the Eagles want to mess with the Skins in making them think they are looking for a QB also. Who knows?

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Three - Six years of a known product is a pretty good time frame in the NFL. I don't know if they do this, but if they do it opens up a lot of their options in the draft.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;678459]He threw for 391 against the Super Bowl Champs and 327 against KC in back to back weeks. That didn't happen by accident.[/quote]

Kansas City and New Orleans have below average passing defenses, so I agree it wasn't by accident.

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[quote=Audi;678648]Kansas City and New Orleans have below average passing defenses, so I agree it wasn't by accident.[/quote]


Manning didn't do that to New Orleans.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;678654]Manning didn't do that to New Orleans.[/quote]

Yeah, but he still threw for 333 yards, and New Orleans' pass defense is ranked below average. Also, yardage doesn't mean much either way in determining how good a quarterback is.

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[quote=Audi;678655]Yeah, but he still threw for 333 yards, and New Orleans' pass defense is ranked below average. Also, yardage doesn't mean much either way in determining how good a quarterback is.[/quote]


Either way, I don't care who is playing who, you don't dismiss two games in a row like that.

He is better than anything we have.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;678639]Last time I checked you can't trade UFAs. If we had paid him above market value(like we paid Portis even though there was another year left in his deal...) he would have been happy all the way to the bank.

No, in reality we traded Champ Bailey and a 2nd round pick for Portis.[/quote]

I am very impressed with this forum.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;678654]Manning didn't do that to New Orleans.[/quote]

Still that was the Super Bowl. Aside from bringing your A game you also get two weeks to gameplan. Though a big part of the reason for New Orleans winning was their ability to keep the ball out of Mannings hands for around 70 minutes.

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[quote=McD5;678658]I am very impressed with this forum.[/quote]


Did you know Betts is off the team?

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[quote=McD5;678658]I am very impressed with this forum.[/quote]

what got you banned?

always something over there

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[quote=Dirtbag359;678660]Still that was the Super Bowl. Aside from bringing your A game you also get two weeks to gameplan. Though a big part of the reason for New Orleans winning was their ability to keep the ball out of Mannings hands for around 70 minutes.[/quote]


The interception (from the below average pass defense) didn't hurt either.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;678666]Did you know Betts is off the team?[/quote]

the lack of mentioning is why he's impressed ;)

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[quote=McD5;678658]I am very impressed with this forum.[/quote]

Welcome to The Warpath McD5. On the subject of Champ Bailey, if I remember right, SmootSmack or someone has mentioned before that Champ wanted out of town. Something to do with a woman.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;678666]Did you know Betts is off the team?[/quote]

Of course. But he has been one of my favorite Redskins for a long, long time.

I like what he represented. I like the fact that his salary was low. I like his ability to catch passes, and even return kicks.

In a decade consisting mostly of pain, he was extremely easy to cheer for.

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[quote=53Fan;678676]Welcome to The Warpath McD5. On the subject of Champ Bailey, if I remember right, SmootSmack or someone has mentioned before that Champ wanted out of town. Something to do with a woman.[/quote]

Thank you very much. I love this place so far. The layout is great, the features and avatars are impressive. But most importantly, the users seem to be extremely high in quality from what I have seen. I am very impressed.

And yes, the rumor was that he had an affair, and his wife insisted on leaving Washington. If he stayed, she was leaving him.

We still got raped, trading a ten time pro-bowler for a one time pro-bowler. And the second rounder on top of it--although it didn't amount to much for Denver, was insult to injury.

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[quote=McD5;678677]Of course. But he has been one of my favorite Redskins for a long, long time.

I like what he represented. I like the fact that his salary was low. I like his ability to catch passes, and even return kicks.

In a decade consisting mostly of pain, he was extremely easy to cheer for.[/quote]


I can't argue with that. He was underutilized and was pretty effective when he was given the chance to start.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;678680]I can't argue with that. He was underutilized and was pretty effective when he was given the chance to start.[/quote]

It sucks that he got the injury bug. But man, I loved that guy as a team player.

I was praying that we would have traded Portis away years ago, after Betts lit it up for 1,100 in half a season. Not a popular suggestion at the time, but I still feel that it could have set us up big.

Portis for a Boldin or a lineman? I would have given anything for that.

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[quote=McD5;678678]Thank you very much. I love this place so far. The layout is great, the features and avatars are impressive. But most importantly, the users seem to be extremely high in quality from what I have seen. I am very impressed.

And yes, the rumor was that he had an affair, and his wife insisted on leaving Washington. If he stayed, she was leaving him.

[B]We still got raped, trading a ten time pro-bowler for a one time pro-bowler. And the second rounder on top of it--although it didn't amount to much for Denver, was insult to injury[/B].[/quote]

I agree and at the time was upset that Betts wasn't being given a chance. I thought Betts was going to be really good and didn't really know much about Portis.

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[quote=53Fan;678682]I agree and at the time was upset that Betts wasn't being given a chance. I thought Betts was going to be really good and didn't really know much about Portis.[/quote]

Portis was always a workhorse. But the entire philosophy of featuring one back no longer works in this league.

It hasn't for a decade now. I just wish that our coaches would have understood that, and would have pulled off a mini Herschel Walker type of trade with Portis years ago.

Chris Johnson runs for 2,000. Who cares? How did his team do in the playoffs?

Maurice Jones-Drew? He is great. It still didn't translate to playoffs.

How far did LJ take Kansas City all of those 300 carry years?

Betts, had he stayed healthy, was more than sufficient in my humble opinion.


Anyway, my gf is going crazy about me being on the Redskins site this late at night. LOL.

I look forward to talking with all of you over the coming days.

This is a great site you have here. Have a great night everyone.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;678621]So Champ was the malcontent? We were absolutely hosed in that deal. We gave up the premier corner in the league and a second round pick for a great runningback in Denver's system and above average runningback in Gibbs' system. Portis was never a superstar here.[/quote]I agree with you. I was just pointing out that by justifying Oaklands end of a trade (that right now is an unsubstantiated PFT rumor) using labels that suggest all players are of equal value at their positions*. So I was trying to show how you could take something as clear cut as the Portis-Bailey trade, label the parties as such, and come up with a rule that seems to make it preposterous that the "winning" side would be interested.

[I]The NFL definition of "franchise" is paid in the top five of a position, so to call someone not in the top five at their position a "franchise" player would be stretching the definition to something that, IMO, it isn't meant to cover.[/I]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;678620]Gtripp... Basically your saying nnamdi can play qb for the eagles also because that's the point I was making. Samuel is a top 10 corner and mcnabb is a top 10 qb. So there is no way this would even happen. Having the "best" corner really doesn't mean a whole lot anymore. Btw Rogers and Campbell aren't even in the same discussion as mcnabb and Samuel.[/quote]I was going to let Kolb play QB, but you know, f-it. Nnamdi can do [I]anything[/I].

If Campbell and McNabb aren't in the same discussion, even though they have similar statistics, how can you suggest that Samuel and Asomugha are on the same planet? I don't want to argue with you about the value of an elite corner because I understand where you are coming from there (not sure if I agree), but why can't that argument be applied to quarterback?

Samuel is probably as far from Asomugha as McNabb is from Peyton Manning. Or at least as far as Eli is from Peyton. They may both be pro-bowlers, but one is unquestionably superior, however much that may mean.

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[quote=McD5;678683]Portis was always a workhorse. But the entire philosophy of featuring one back no longer works in this league.

It hasn't for a decade now. I just wish that our coaches would have understood that, and would have pulled off a mini Herschel Walker type of trade with Portis years ago.

Chris Johnson runs for 2,000. Who cares? How did his team do in the playoffs?

Maurice Jones-Drew? He is great. It still didn't translate to playoffs.

How far did LJ take Kansas City all of those 300 carry years?

Betts, had he stayed healthy, was more than sufficient in my humble opinion.


Anyway, my gf is going crazy about me being on the Redskins site this late at night. LOL.

I look forward to talking with all of you over the coming days.

This is a great site you have here. Have a great night everyone.[/quote]







You can't attribute these backs to a team loss. Playoffs or not. Step back from that u know better.... there are 30 examples of backs who did well in season n then did great in the playoffs.
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[quote=53Fan;678682]I agree and at the time was upset that Betts wasn't being given a chance. I thought Betts was going to be really good and didn't really know much about Portis.[/quote]

I feel the same as you, man. I remember how stupid i thought it was that we were trading our best player for a guy who even then, was starting to become an issue. (He wanted more money in Denver, threatened to be a holdout, and Shanahan put him on the block).

And a few months ago, when CP was getting into it with Lavar, he suggested that some guys (Lavar, Bailey, Coles), would have wanted out of town anyway because when CP came in he was the new top-paid guy.

Looking back over it all, we lost a 10 time pro bowler, to somebody who has been solid, but not elite. Those were the kind of trades that we were known from in the Vinny era.

Hopefully now that kind of stuff is a thing of the past...

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[quote=53Fan;678676]Welcome to The Warpath McD5. On the subject of Champ Bailey, if I remember right, SmootSmack or someone has mentioned before that Champ wanted out of town. Something to do with a woman.[/quote]

A bit more complicated than that, but this thread isn't about that

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;678639]Last time I checked you can't trade UFAs. If we had paid him above market value(like we paid Portis even though there was another year left in his deal...) he would have been happy all the way to the bank.

No, in reality we traded Champ Bailey and a 2nd round pick for Portis.[/quote]

Last time I checked you can't trade UFA's...the very point I tried to make. Next sentence...We traded Champ Bailey and.......I'm out.

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[quote=McD5;678678]Thank you very much. I love this place so far. The layout is great, the features and avatars are impressive. But most importantly, the users seem to be extremely high in quality from what I have seen. I am very impressed.

And yes, the rumor was that he had an affair, and his wife insisted on leaving Washington. If he stayed, she was leaving him.

We still got raped, trading a ten time pro-bowler for a one time pro-bowler. And the second rounder on top of it--although it didn't amount to much for Denver, was insult to injury.[/quote]

Thanks for the props to the WP, this is the only worthwhile non news agency site IMO.

Never had heard that about Champ, but if that's true it makes me even madder that we traded him in that lopsided deal. (We could've paid some kind of settlement to his wife rather than give up a 2nd!) He's still a quality starter, though his age shows at times.

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[quote=McD5;678678]Thank you very much. I love this place so far. The layout is great, the features and avatars are impressive. But most importantly, the users seem to be extremely high in quality from what I have seen. I am very impressed.

[B]And yes, the rumor was that he had an affair, and his wife insisted on leaving Washington. If he stayed, she was leaving him.
[/B]
We still got raped, trading a ten time pro-bowler for a one time pro-bowler. And the second rounder on top of it--although it didn't amount to much for Denver, was insult to injury.[/quote]

Sounds like you were at ES too long. :laughing-

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[quote=GTripp0012;678686]I was going to let Kolb play QB, but you know, f-it. Nnamdi can do [I]anything[/I].

If Campbell and McNabb aren't in the same discussion, even though they have similar statistics, how can you suggest that Samuel and Asomugha are on the same planet? I don't want to argue with you about the value of an elite corner because I understand where you are coming from there (not sure if I agree), but why can't that argument be applied to quarterback?

Samuel is probably as far from Asomugha as McNabb is from Peyton Manning. Or at least as far as Eli is from Peyton. They may both be pro-bowlers, but one is unquestionably superior, however much that may mean.[/quote]


There is one statistic (probably the most important one) where they differ greatly. Winning %.

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[quote=Longtimefan;678718]Last time I checked you can't trade UFA's...the very point I tried to make. Next sentence...We traded Champ Bailey and.......I'm out.[/quote]


Longtime, you must be a politician. You talk in circles, you backtrack on what you said and then you claim victory.