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I mentioned once that AH does not want to play in a 3-4 and someone said they thought it was more that he just didn't want to be the NT. Denver has a NT, so would paying off some of his contract or reworking it to spread it over another year or two, then see if Denver would trade Marshell for AH outright?

#1- AH is happy he's not a NT.
#2- Denver and Marshell are happy Marshell is out of there.
#3- The Skins are happy they have gotten rid of AH and picked up a #1 WR.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;684752]True but Dan Snyder didn't get where he was by pissing away 21 million periodically.

This is the type of decision where DS would have some input, and frankly, I think you could argue that he might deserve the final call on it.

BA and MS are being paid a lot of money, I do not think that asking them to manage a highly talented problem child is out of line.[/quote]

I get your point to a degree, however the reason Snyder hired Allen and Shanahan was to turn around the awful missteps of the past decade. If they view AH as one of those missteps, then Snyder should lie in the bed he made. Of course Danny does own the team so he certainly could step in and have final say, but then the obvious question becomes, how is this any different than the past?

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;684753]Why would any team do that? We are the desperate party in this situation.[/quote]


How are we desperate? He stays and is a big force on the DL or gives us some added value in a draft we have four picks in. 2 and 4 for AH is not out of line for a team in desperate need of a DT like the Lions or Bucs.

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[quote=Player_HTTR;684758]How are we desperate? He stays and is a big force on the DL or gives us some added value in a draft we have four picks in. 2 and 4 for AH is not out of line for a team in desperate need of a DT like the Lions or Bucs.[/quote]

People aren't banging down our door for AH. We are trying to get rid of him in a limited time frame.

Looking to fufill a need in a short time frame = desperation

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[quote=GMScud;684757]I get your point to a degree, however the reason Snyder hired Allen and Shanahan was to turn around the awful missteps of the past decade. If they view AH as one of those missteps, then Snyder should lie in the bed he made. Of course Danny does own the team so he certainly could step in and have final say, but then the obvious question becomes, how is this any different than the past?[/quote]


I think the $ involved make this a special circumstance.

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[quote=GMScud;684757]I get your point to a degree, however the reason Snyder hired Allen and Shanahan was to turn around the awful missteps of the past decade. If they view AH as one of those missteps, then Snyder should lie in the bed he made. Of course Danny does own the team so he certainly could step in and have final say, but then the obvious question becomes, how is this any different than the past?[/quote]

I get what you are saying here, but also...

I would have hope that we also hired a coach that can make best use of his players and not try to play them out of position (like playing Orakpo as a 4-3 LB or Landry as a FS). While a player shouldn't be telling a coach what to do, Haynesworth is right, he will be more effective as a 3-4 DE than a NT. Now, Haynesworth still has said that he'll play NT if asked to do so, therefore I don't know why Shanahan should feel that Haynesworth needs to be traded (unless you get a monster deal for him) or why he should feel that Haynesworth is a misstep.

I would lose a little bit of faith in our FO if they tell me that they traded AH just because he didn't want to play a position where he would have been less effective. This is the reason why I feel a lot of people here who criticize AH quickly forget how much they have complained about this team's terrible habit of having players out of position and not using their players to best of their ability.

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;684763]People aren't banging down our door for AH. [B]We are trying to get rid of him in a limited time frame.

Looking to fufill a need in a short time frame = desperation[/B][/quote]

Which I really don't think our FO needs to be putting themselves in this situation.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;684763]People aren't banging down our door for AH. We are trying to get rid of him in a limited time frame.

Looking to fufill a need in a short time frame = desperation[/quote]

People weren't banging down the door to take over a inflated contract. Now it is reasonable and there is some value to gain from dealing him. I don't see desperation just "reloading."

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[quote=Ruhskins;684765]I get what you are saying here, but also...

I would have hope that we also hired a coach that can make best use of his players and not try to play them out of position (like playing Orakpo as a 4-3 LB or Landry as a FS). While a player shouldn't be telling a coach what to do, Haynesworth is right, he will be more effective as a 3-4 DE than a NT. Now, Haynesworth still has said that he'll play NT if asked to do so, therefore I don't know why Shanahan should feel that Haynesworth needs to be traded (unless you get a monster deal for him) or why he should feel that Haynesworth is a misstep.

I would lose a little bit of faith in our FO if they tell me that they traded AH just because he didn't want to play a position where he would have been less effective. This is the reason why I feel a lot of people here who criticize AH quickly forget how much they have complained about this team's terrible habit of having players out of position and not using their players to best of their ability.


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Fair points. You reinforce how dicey of a situation this is.

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I personally think it would be a mistake to trade away Haynesworth. I know he can be a headcase but he's as dominating an interior lineman (even without pulling full effort into it) as the league has seen in years. He's a true difference maker.

That said, while I would personally disagree with the move, what Allen and Shanahan feel is best is what should be done. The Redskins knew what they were getting when they signed AH. Problem is the Redskins that signed him are not the Redskins of now.

I just hope they can get a proven player along with a draft pick or two, not just draft picks in return

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Id rather have at least one proven player as well. I dont trust Shanahan and Allen in the draft.

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[quote=SmootSmack;684782]I personally think it would be a mistake to trade away Haynesworth. I know he can be a headcase but he's as dominating an interior lineman (even without pulling full effort into it) as the league has seen in years. He's a true difference maker.

That said, while I would personally disagree with the move, what Allen and Shanahan feel is best is what should be done. The Redskins knew what they were getting when they signed AH. Problem is the Redskins that signed him are not the Redskins of now.

[B]I just hope they can get a proven player[/B] along with a draft pick or two, not just draft picks in return[/quote]

Spot on Bro!

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Why is it that everyone here thinks we are trading Haynesworth because hes some sort of failure, being a troublemaker, or he Shanahan arent currently seeing eye-to-eye on things? In my opinion, all of those ideas are missing the point. Shanahan spent the entire offseason reviewing every snap of every player on our team during thier career here. In doing so, he likely realized a fundamental truth about our team: Our defense is WAAAAY more talented than our offense.

We just trade a 2nd round pick for Donovan McNabb, who will likely be our starting QB for atleast 3-4 more years. However, that immense upgrade at QB wont mean a thing if we dont have a solid offensive line in front of him. Unfortunately, we dont have the draft picks to fix the line and the free agent market was very weak. Since our defense is so much more talented than our offense, doesn't it make more sense to "redistribute the wealth" and trade a defensive player (and one who really doesnt fit our scheme) for a package of picks/players that could infuse our offense with talent?

People say it would be a mistake to trade Haynesworth, but why? Last year, we added Haynesworth and Brian Orakpo to an already solid defense and what did it get us? 4-12. Haynesworth is not some vital cog on our team that we can't afford to lose. Looking at where we are in the draft, there are 27 teams in the NFL who did not have Albert Haynesworth and managed to finish better than we did last year. Neither superbowl team had a player on its roster resembling Haynesworth - what they both had were prolific offenses with franchise quarterbacks.

Our defense played well enough to win games before we signed Haynesworth. It has the potential to do the same after we trade him. That said, being realistic, our defense probably wont be dominant in 2010 - with or without Big Al, since we're switching to the 3-4 and dont really have the personnel for that system. Again - thats where the picks and players we will acquire in trading Haynesworth will help the team in the short- and long-term.

To a 4-3 team that already has most of the pieces in place to make a superbowl run, Haynesworth has tremendous value. To us, the picks and players we could acquire in exchange for him are more valuable than he is.

Simply put,

Haynesworthless defense + Donovan McNabb + Upgraded Offensive Line and maybe a playmaking WR = playoff contender.

Jason Campbell + less picks + Haynesworth in the 3-4 = high 2011 draft pick.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;684798]Why is it that everyone here thinks we are trading Haynesworth because hes some sort of failure, being a troublemaker, or he Shanahan arent currently seeing eye-to-eye on things? In my opinion, all of those ideas are missing the point. Shanahan spent the entire offseason reviewing every snap of every player on our team during thier career here. In doing so, he likely realized a fundamental truth about our team: Our defense is WAAAAY more talented than our offense.

We just trade a 2nd round pick for Donovan McNabb, who will likely be our starting QB for atleast 3-4 more years. However, that immense upgrade at QB wont mean a thing if we dont have a solid offensive line in front of him. Unfortunately, we dont have the draft picks to fix the line and the free agent market was very weak. Since our defense is so much more talented than our offense, doesn't it make more sense to "redistribute the wealth" and trade a defensive player (and one who really doesnt fit our scheme) for a package of picks/players that could infuse our offense with talent?

People say it would be a mistake to trade Haynesworth, but why? Last year, we added Haynesworth and Brian Orakpo to an already solid defense and what did it get us? 4-12. Haynesworth is not some vital cog on our team that we can't afford to lose. Looking at where we are in the draft, there are 27 teams in the NFL who did not have Albert Haynesworth and managed to finish better than we did last year. Neither superbowl team had a player on its roster resembling Haynesworth - what they both had were prolific offenses with franchise quarterbacks.

Our defense played well enough to win games before we signed Haynesworth. It has the potential to do the same after we trade him. That said, being realistic, our defense probably wont be dominant in 2010 - with or without Big Al, since we're switching to the 3-4 and dont really have the personnel for that system. Again - thats where the picks and players we will acquire in trading Haynesworth will help the team in the short- and long-term.

To a 4-3 team that already has most of the pieces in place to make a superbowl run, Haynesworth has tremendous value. To us, the picks and players we could acquire in exchange for him are more valuable than he is.

Simply put,

Haynesworthless defense + Donovan McNabb + Upgraded Offensive Line and maybe a playmaking WR = playoff contender.

Jason Campbell + less picks + Haynesworth in the 3-4 = high 2011 draft pick.[/quote]

I'll take the first option, thank ya very much.

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If the SKins are talking to Flozell "False Start" Adams then it makes you wonder which player thats not a OT in the draft they are sliding towards.
McClain?
Dez?
Berry? -if possible-
Haden?
top RB prospect? -not likely but could happen i guess-
Marshall trade with number 4?

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[quote=Buster;682967]I have no idea who will be traded for more picks...but it's going to happen.

I think Bruce Allen is going to give us a wild ride on draft day.

He better...we need Okung but he's not the only player we need.[/quote]

Let me throw some names out there: Laron Landry, Andre Carter, Carlos Rodgers and Albert Haynesworth. Teams are interested in our defensive players and some will be dealt.

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AH is going NOWHERE.. the Skins would have to pay him too much to watch him play for another team.. not gonna happen.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;684847]If the SKins are talking to Flozell "False Start" Adams then it makes you wonder which player thats not a OT in the draft they are sliding towards.
McClain?
Dez?
Berry? -if possible-
Haden?
top RB prospect? -not likely but could happen i guess-
Marshall trade with number 4?[/quote]

Maybe. But Flozell is getting older. We could sign Flozell (ugh) for depth and still draft Okung.

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Or maybe they move flozell over to right tackle...

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[quote=SkinzWin;684870]Or maybe they move flozell over to right tackle...[/quote]

he was still a fuckin' cowboy. There is a reason they let him go. Plz dont take sloppy seconds from the cowboys.......its against all thats holy and right with the world.

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[quote=Mechanix544;684874]he was still a fuckin' cowboy. There is a reason they let him go. Plz dont take sloppy seconds from the cowboys.......its against all thats holy and right with the world.[/quote]

Amen!

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[URL="http://tinyurl.com/ycfyas3"]ESPN: Campbell Agent Blasts 'Skins Front Office - Says Campbell Going to 'Boys[/URL]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;684877][URL="http://tinyurl.com/ycfyas3"]ESPN: Campbell Agent Blasts 'Skins Front Office - Says Campbell Going to 'Boys[/URL][/quote]

:laughing2 Damnit Man!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;684877][URL="http://tinyurl.com/ycfyas3"]ESPN: Campbell Agent Blasts 'Skins Front Office - Says Campbell Going to 'Boys[/URL][/quote]

Campbell's agent is creepy looking.

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[quote=Buster;685039]Campbell's agent is creepy looking.[/quote]

ya, but Campbell is such a classy guy. I think I'll name my unborn son Jason out of respect for all he's done for my favorite football team.

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[quote=Ruhskins;684765]I get what you are saying here, but also...

I would have hope that we also hired a coach that can make best use of his players and not try to play them out of position (like playing Orakpo as a 4-3 LB or Landry as a FS). While a player shouldn't be telling a coach what to do, Haynesworth is right, he will be more effective as a 3-4 DE than a NT. Now, Haynesworth still has said that he'll play NT if asked to do so, therefore I don't know why Shanahan should feel that Haynesworth needs to be traded (unless you get a monster deal for him) or why he should feel that Haynesworth is a misstep.

I would lose a little bit of faith in our FO if they tell me that they traded AH just because he didn't want to play a position where he would have been less effective. This is the reason why I feel a lot of people here who criticize AH quickly forget how much they have complained about this team's terrible habit of having players out of position and not using their players to best of their ability.
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this.. [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/684740-post193.html"]I agree[/URL]

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I think the majority of ppl here want him to stay, and be the force everyone knows he is and should be.

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Actually I think getting rid of players like AH and bringing in players like Flozell is a brillant idea! :doh:

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[quote=53Fan;685372]Actually I think getting rid of players like AH and bringing in players like Flozell is a brillant idea! :doh:[/quote]

Heh, ya, some bass ackwards thinking going on around this time. (Concerning Flozell, that is)