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[quote=tryfuhl;706901]I'm done defending the guy, fuck him[/quote]

We both took turns. I said it would be a circus if he showed up today, he didn't show up and it turns out to be an even bigger circus. Oh! the constant off-season drama that comes from Redskin Park......amazing, simply amazing.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/16/report-haynesworth-will-show-up-for-training-camp/]Report: Haynesworth will show up for training camp | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

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[quote=Coff;706734]The bottom line is that, during negotiations, the Redskins made promises to Haynesworth that they are not keeping. It's hard to blame the team when a guy who is making a hundred million a year is skipping training camp, but if the Redskins made verbal promises to Albert and they're not keeping those promises, well then they have to sleep in the bed they made.[/quote]

I still agree with this too though. I mean you might see a guy only getting 3 mil do the same but obviously with less leverage.

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[quote=tryfuhl;706901]I'm done defending the guy, fuck him[/quote]

Now all we gotta do is work on that duke love you got going.

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[quote=SmootSmack;706785] and actually wouldn't even surprise me if he shows up tomorrow[/quote]

intuition or source?

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[quote=tryfuhl;706901]I'm done defending the guy, fuck him[/quote]

I'm with you bro ! I gave so many people shit about this guy and he goes and does this. Don't cut him, don't trade him. Keep him, let his ass sit and be miserable until he gets with the program. If not, then you basically ended this pricks career after sitting on the bench for 4 years.

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[quote=over the mountain;706908]Now all we gotta do is work on that duke love you got going.[/quote]

That can stay !

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[quote=GMScud;706844]And now that Fletcher and Co have called him out big time to the media, it's going to be even harder for him to come back into the locker room. I read yesterday that one player flat out called him an "asshole." [/quote]
I bet that was Rabach

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[quote=SmootSmack;706813]I actually don't think it would be that difficult to just cut him, from a financial perspective, though I don't know for sure.

But I don't see them cutting him[/quote]

You're right, I don't think this complicates next year's cap at all because of the way they restructured his $21 million signing bonus. Essentially, it only effects the 2010 roster.

But the Skins made a tactical error, in my opinion, by not cutting him before April 1st. That was their chance to unload his fat ass.

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[quote=tryfuhl;706913]I bet that was Rabach[/quote]

The reporter that broke the story said it was a defensive player.

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[quote=over the mountain;706908]Now all we gotta do is work on that duke love you got going.[/quote]

we're talking about the NATIONAL CHAMPION blue devils right? ;)

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;706911]I'm with you bro ! I gave so many people shit about this guy and he goes and does this. Don't cut him, don't trade him. Keep him, let his ass sit and be miserable until he gets with the program. If not, then you basically ended this pricks career after sitting on the bench for 4 years.[/quote]

my man

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you know who DOES want to be here

Darnell Dockett

[url=http://twitter.com/ddockett/status/16327916743]Twitter / DARNELL DOCKETT: Ok so everyone knows my co ...[/url]

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[quote=12thMan;706916]The reporter that broke the story said it was a defensive player.[/quote]

It was Phillip Daniels, or so I've heard. But for all I know it could have been Fletcher himself

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[quote=SmootSmack;706921]It was Phillip Daniels, or so I've heard. But for all I know it could have been Fletcher himself[/quote]

that wouldn't surprise me either

he's had some interesting facebook updates since the start of the offseason programs.. stuff like "If you're not part of the solution then you're part of the problem" and whatnot

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I wonder how much his jerseys are going for now

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[quote=tryfuhl;706920]you know who DOES want to be here

Darnell Dockett

[url=http://twitter.com/ddockett/status/16327916743]Twitter / DARNELL DOCKETT: Ok so everyone knows my co ...[/url][/quote]

Dockett isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. I don't know how I'd feel about signing him, however I do imagine that he would command Dansby type money on the open market so I doubt we would go after him. Besides in a 3-4, even without Haynesworth we have a pretty damn good line. I'd be a little worried if we were playing a 4-3 but with a 3-4 we have guys that are in a position to succeed.

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[quote=SmootSmack;706921]It was Phillip Daniels, or so I've heard. But for all I know it could have been Fletcher himself[/quote]

I'm thinking it was Daniels.

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[I]"The bottom line is that, during negotiations, the Redskins made promises to Haynesworth that they are not keeping. It's hard to blame the team when a guy who is making a hundred million a year is skipping training camp, but if the Redskins made verbal promises to Albert and they're not keeping those promises, well then they have to sleep in the bed they made."[/I]
[I] [/I]
[I] [/I]
[I]This makes zero sense to me. You get paid to play, not to bitch about what a team is doing schematically. If I go into a position and then a new manager comes in and switches things around, i have to deal with it. If I said I didn't like the way they are doing things, so I am not coming to work do you think I would still be employed? Hell no. The guy was just paid $32 million for 1 season, and basically renegged on his deal about taking the $20million check. He knew when he took that check that he was going to be on the hook for playing in what ever scheme they threw out there. I hope Shanny and Allen stand up to his fat ass and say "hey, you want to stay home, that is ok we'll fine you... and if you show up and cause problems then we'll suspend you with no pay." Its your call. Sure he can show up and play half ass and get benched, but who is that hurting more, him or the Redskins...HIM.. He wont be able to get moved or traded if he plays horrible. I really hope this jackass gives the $20 million back, then we can take what ever for him and get rid of him. If not, then I would just put his fatass on the bench for spite. [/I]

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[quote=Dirtbag359;706924]Dockett isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. I don't know how I'd feel about signing him, however I do imagine that he would command Dansby type money on the open market so I doubt we would go after him. Besides in a 3-4, even without Haynesworth we have a pretty damn good line. I'd be a little worried if we were playing a 4-3 but with a 3-4 we have guys that are in a position to succeed.[/quote]

I agree

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[quote=tryfuhl;706929]I agree[/quote]

Actually now I've had a change of heart on Dansby. Based on this chat session he seems like a pretty good guy. Though at the same time I stick to my statement that we wouldn't have the money or desire to go after him.
[url=http://chat.nfl.com/front/index/959]NFL Live Chat[/url]

[quote]If I were his teammate, I would ask for a trade. There's no way you can win with a guy like that on your team. I would feel like he's the highest paid player in the NFL, and that he alone is supposed to be at everything before everyone else, and have the most accountability. No disrespect to the player on your team who is getting that much, but a lot of guys would go above and beyond to get a contract like that. Personally, if they were to pay me that much, I would go outside and help set the field up before practice![/quote]

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[quote=Dirtbag359;706933]Actually now I've had a change of heart on Dansby. Based on this chat session he seems like a pretty good guy. Though at the same time I stick to my statement that we wouldn't have the money or desire to go after him.
[url=http://chat.nfl.com/front/index/959]NFL Live Chat[/url][/quote]

You mean Dockett right?

It's funny reading his twitter because he doesn't hold back at all, kind of vulgar

then he's like Oh come check out my free youth football camp haha

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[quote=warpaint;706868]These are the teams running a 4-3 this year. Giants, Eagles, Raiders, Seahawks, Rams, Bengals, Lions, Vikings, Texans, Colts, Jaguars, Titans, Falcons, Panthers, Saints, Bucs.

If he is to be traded this what he is looking at. As long as he isnt traded in the division its fine with me. He needs to buy his way out first. If not, give him a Gatorade bucket to sit on cuz he doesnt deserve to sit with the rest of the players.[/quote]

I still think I'd hold on to him for as long as possible simply to either recoup the money spent or make him miserable. After that I'd look into trading him to

Rams
Lions
Jaguars
Raiders
Bucs

I would put serious thought into the Eagles only to try and get back our 2nd round pick next yr.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;706889]Yea right....F*ck you Fat Al! You POS!

Report: Haynesworth will show up for training camp
Posted by Mike Florio on June 16, 2010 2:46 PM ET
Despite his absence from a mandatory minicamp, recalcitrant Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth reportedly will show up for training camp when it opens on July 29.

If, of course, he's still on the team.

The report comes from Chris Russell of 106.7 The Fan, who cites an unnamed NFL source.

But Haynesworth won't be showing up because he's finally seen the light. Instead, Russell reports that Haynesworth hopes to avoid potential litigation with the team, which would have a better argument when it comes to trying to get money back from the player if he doesn't show up for training camp.

As we've separately heard, Haynesworth's advisers believe that his only consequence for failing to show up for the mandatory minicamp is a fine in the neighborhood of $10,000.

So if/when he shows up, he may be acting like another player from another NFC East team five years ago.

We can only hope that Haynesworth won't eventually be doing shirtless sit-ups in his driveway.[/quote]

Umm,

#1- T.O didn't refuse to show up, Reid told him to stay home as punishment.
#2- It's my understanding AH can be fined $10,000 for each day he doesn't show up. Although $30,000 is chump change for not showing up at the 3 day mandatory camp when he was just given 21 mill April 1st.

Why do people always try to lump T.O. into every bad apple category? I think people have well over stated T.O.'s being a cancer issue.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;706906][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/16/report-haynesworth-will-show-up-for-training-camp/]Report: Haynesworth will show up for training camp | ProFootballTalk.com[/url][/quote]


Damn, where have I heard this before?............

Oh yea it was when he said he would only show up for mandatory camps. lol.

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I am very disappointed in AH; he just is not making good decisions.

He does not understand the concept of being a member of a TEAM. He is either getting bad advice from his agent or he is not very bright. He obviously over values his worth. He is not a man of strong moral character.

I am disappointed that he does not care for this Organization, its great members, and its very proud history in a manner that most fans here at the WP most certainly do.

AH remarks remind me of the immature character in the movie PRIVATE BENJAMIN ... I remember a scene where she is walking off punishment duty in the rain and complains that this is not the Army she signed up for ... the recruiter broke promises made to her.

Fletcher's comments are right on the mark. It will be interesting to see how management deals with this situation ... it will send a message to the rest of the team.

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Anyone catch this gem of a blog?

[url=http://insidethecap.blogspot.com/2010/03/redskins-finally-leverage-uncapped-year.html]INSIDE THE CAP with J.I. Halsell: Under the Cap: The Redskins Finally Leverage the Uncapped Year[/url]

Basically, BA converted the Option Bonus to a Signing Bonus earlier this year (presumably to avoid future cap charges for Big Al). In doing so, the $21M now becomes available for forfeiture if Haynesworth defaults on his contract, whereas it was untouchable as an option bonus.

Al's agent now looks like a moron if their plan was to hold out all along. Seems pretty clear that if Haynesworth doesn't show, or gets himself suspended, he will forfeit all or much of the $21M.

This makes me feel more confident that Allen and Shanny foresaw this issue and planned for its contingency. These guys look smarter every day.

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Who really gives two shits about BO (Ya think Reid had good reason to tell him to stay home!), it was more about Fat POS Al exclude the last two sentences. And by the way he's been in the "bad apple category" everywhere he's been like FAT BOY well because he's been a F*ckin bad apple that happens to be unemployed for a reason.


[quote=SBXVII;706943]Umm,

#1- T.O didn't refuse to show up, Reid told him to stay home as punishment.
#2- It's my understanding AH can be fined $10,000 for each day he doesn't show up. Although $30,000 is chump change for not showing up at the 3 day mandatory camp when he was just given 21 mill April 1st.

Why do people always try to lump T.O. into every bad apple category? I think people have well over stated T.O.'s being a cancer issue.[/quote]

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^^ Are you sure that's true? It says it's a signing bonus that's not prorated b/c its voidable at the players option. If it's not prorated, I don't think the club can reclaim a portion of it.

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[quote=SBXVII;706942]I still think I'd hold on to him for as long as possible simply to either recoup the money spent or make him miserable. After that I'd look into trading him to

Rams
Lions
Jaguars
Raiders
Bucs

[B]I would put serious thought into the Eagles only to try and get back our 2nd round pick next yr[/B].[/quote]

I agree with except the eagle trade there is no way i want to see this monster twice a year. Granted he is POS but he can cause some major damage giving the chance.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;706953]^^ Are you sure that's true? It says it's a signing bonus that's not prorated b/c its voidable at the players option. If it's not prorated, I don't think the club can reclaim a portion of it.[/quote]

What it says is that the team can go after a prorated portion of a signing bonus if a player renegs or "[U][B]willfully or substantially undermines their ability to contribute to training camp or regular season"[/B][/U] according to the CBA.

Since the prorated period for the contract is 2010-2015, then as I read it, this is year one and they can go after all of it. If he lays down in 2011, they would only be able to go after 16.8M (21 - 4.2).

I guess it comes down to how an arbitrator would rule on the definition of "willfully or substantially undermining" and how the proration of the bonus would work. Regardless, the Skins have a position legally to allow them to recoup their bonus money if Fatty doesn't play ball. Had they not converted the Option to a Signing bonus, they would have zero recourse.

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Here is the exact language from the CBA, which can be found here:

[url=http://www.nflplayers.com/about-us/CBA-Download/]CBA-Download - NFLPlayers.com[/url]

[FONT="Georgia"][SIZE="4"][I][B][U]Section 9. Limitations on Salary Forfeitures:[/U][/B]

(a) No forfeitures of signing bonuses shall be permitted, except that
players and Clubs may agree: (i) to proportionate forfeitures of a signing
bonus if a player voluntarily retires or willfully withholds his services from
one or more regular season games; and/or (ii) [COLOR="Red"]that if a player willfully takes
action that has the effect of substantially undermining his ability to fully
participate and contribute in either pre-season training camp or the regular
season (including by willfully withholding his services in either pre-season
training camp or during the regular season or willfully missing one or more
games), the player may forfeit[/COLOR] the greater of: (a) 25% of the prorated portion
of his signing bonus for the applicable League Year for the first time
such conduct occurs after the beginning of training camp until the end of
the season for his Club, and the remaining 75% prorated portion of his
signing bonus for the applicable year for the second time such conduct occurs
during that period that year; or (b) the proportionate amount of his
signing bonus allocation for each week missed (1/17th for each regular season
week or game missed).[/I][/SIZE][/FONT]

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Oops, looks like RI beat me to the punch, but hey, I'm a desk jockey they're "journalists."

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/albert-haynesworth/sources-nflpa-warned-hayneswor.html]Redskins Insider - Sources: NFLPA advised Haynesworth about skipping minicamp[/url]

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[quote=Mc2guy;706966]Oops, looks like RI beat me to the punch, but hey, I'm a desk jockey they're "journalists."

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/albert-haynesworth/sources-nflpa-warned-hayneswor.html]Redskins Insider - Sources: NFLPA advised Haynesworth about skipping minicamp[/url][/quote]

ahhh.. you edited :)

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I gotta feeling the Skins will win an arbitration. Haynesworth is not the model player the CBA wants to represent. Besides, Syder will have top lawyers and maybe Obama will step in...

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[quote=tryfuhl;706967]ahhh.. you edited :)[/quote]

...and since I'm not a journalist, I have to be my own editor. Not that editors seem to do much in this day and age...;)

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[quote=SmootSmack;706921]It was Phillip Daniels, or so I've heard. But for all I know it could have been Fletcher himself[/quote]

I can't remember where I saw this, whether it was here, on ESPN or RI, but somewhere it said Shanahan talked to Haynesworth in February and offered to release him by April 1st if he agreed to not take the option bonus. So I feel like it should be kinda obvious that Haynesworth wanted to wait so he could get that bonus money, he was probably advised by the NFLPA that if he was on the roster April 1st and he reported to all the mandatory sessions that money would be his to keep and that's why Haynesworth didn't take up the offer by April 1st.

So my questions are, do you think the Redskins have a good chance at recouping some of that money in light of it being made into a signing bonus on the contract renegotiations, and do you really think this is more about how Al feels about being pushed down the depth chart for not showing up as you previously implied in this thread? And also why would Shanny need to ask Haynesworth not to take the option bonus if they cut him by April 1st, wouldn't that have cancelled the bonus if they just cut him by April 1st? And one more question. Lets say he skips the mandatory minicamp but shows up for training camp and the Redskins have already decided to pursue arbitration on the bonus, does he stand as good of a chance as the NFLPA advised him? I remember somewhere it said the NFLPA pretty much guaranteed that bonus money would be his to keep if he was on the roster April 1st and didn't skip training camp, which it sounds like isn't in his plans.

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I hope he is traded and blow out both his MCL and ACL in both legs. Ending his career. Also I hope his baby momma gets the rest of his money!!!!

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[quote=12thMan;706914]You're right, I don't think this complicates next year's cap at all because of the way they restructured his $21 million signing bonus. Essentially, it only effects the 2010 roster.

But the Skins made a tactical error, in my opinion, by not cutting him before April 1st. That was their chance to unload his fat ass.[/quote]

He still would have got all the money. It was guaranteed in the contract. Cutting him would only have saved base salary.

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The 21M was only guarranteed if he was still on the team.