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I maintain that Haynesworth is getting exactly what he wants at the moment. He doesn't have to kill himself in camp, and ultimately, he's trying to force a trade. Even at his best in Tennessee, he was notorious for taking plays off. We were fool enough to buy his line that he wanted to be compared to Reggie White after we signed him. Albert Haynesworth will NEVER approach Reggie White's greatness, and it's an insult to White's memory to even mention the two in any comparison.

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It's not a downer at all. It gets me excited. The players(minus DeAngelo) have come out against Al. The fans have come out against Al. And we finally have a coach with a set that is willing to hold his fat ass to the fire.

Al is a martyr to the lazy, and who the hell is going to cry over his lazy, spoiled ass getting a little shit in his face?

I think most of us fully support MS with this effort. Other than his normally scheduled pressers every day, how is this a distraction. Practice goes on. The team is getting better.

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[quote=Longtimefan;715739]It's a complete downer and continues to overshadow the good feeling we want to have going into the season. I wish there was a way for this saga to quickly be resolved so we can concentrate more on what's really important.[/quote]

I could understand that, and if it continues too long, I would agree. But one or two or 4 days of being in the doghouse because he didn't work out with the team isn't going to kill this team. Also, I don't think it's overshadowing the on field work yet so for now, it's all good.

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[quote=Longtimefan;715739]It's a complete downer and continues to overshadow the good feeling we want to have going into the season. I wish there was a way for this saga to quickly be resolved so we can concentrate more on what's really important.[/quote]

Yeah it is unfortunate but it has to be dealt with, not ignored. It's far more important that the right tone is set within the locker room from the get. Come week 8 or 9 no one will be discussing Albert failing 300 yard wind sprints, but if Shanahan doesn't right the ship here and now, it won't matter much what happens that late in the season. Football is as much mental and emotional as it is physical.

I think Shanahan is taking the right approach, given the hand that was dealt to him and could have been avoided, and I support him 110%.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;715749]I could understand that, and if it continues too long, I would agree. But one or two or 4 days of being in the doghouse because he didn't work out with the team isn't going to kill this team. Also, I don't think it's overshadowing the on field work yet so for now, it's all good.[/quote]

Agreed, it's a bigger story to the fans more than anything. On the field it's business as usual.

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[quote=12thMan;715750]Yeah it is unfortunate but it has to be dealt with, not ignored. It's far more important that the right tone is set within the locker room from the get. Come week 8 or 9 no one will be discussing Albert failing 300 yard wind sprints, but if Shanahan doesn't right the ship here and now, it won't matter much what happens that late in the season. Football is as much mental and emotional as it is physical.

I think Shanahan is taking the right approach, given the hand that was dealt to him and could have been avoided, and I support him 110%.[/quote]

I agree, the approach is definitely the right one, I'd just like to see some form of resolution sooner rather than later.

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We all would. But like I said, all of this could have been avoided had Al been upfront and honest about things. He forced Shanahan's hand in this situation, not the the other way around.

This too will pass and the Redskins will be a better team for it.

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Here's to hoping.

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[quote=Monksdown;715747]It's not a downer at all. It gets me excited. The players(minus DeAngelo) have come out against Al. The fans have come out against Al. And we finally have a coach with a set that is willing to hold his fat ass to the fire.

Al is a martyr to the lazy, and who the hell is going to cry over his lazy, spoiled ass getting a little shit in his face?

I think most of us fully support MS with this effort. Other than his normally scheduled pressers every day, how is this a distraction. Practice goes on. The team is getting better.[/quote]

there were a few others that kind of came to his defense, dockery, etc

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[quote=12thMan;715760]We all would. But like I said, all of this could have been avoided had Al been upfront and honest about things. He forced Shanahan's hand in this situation, not the the other way around.

This too will pass and the Redskins will be a better team for it.[/quote]

this might be Al's in-shape.. where he's been before

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Fat Albert better get a refund from his personal trainer....how can you fail two 300 yard shuttle runs with short breaks in between?

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because you're fat and slow

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IMO i think big al took that extended "bathroom" break in between sprints to show up Shanny alil. this game of tit for tat is childish.

big al takes the money, demads a trade, etc

shanny, teammates call him out

shanny implies he is going to work big al hard when he gets back with the "we'll make sure he is in shape" comment

big al shows up, is aksed to do 2 sets of sprints that the other players dont have to do

big al takes extended bathroom break in between the sprints to say "hey i can play this game too" knowing that taking a break inbetween totally goes against the point of seeing how in shape he is and for shanny to push him alil hard for the first day

big al comes out of bathroom break and completes 2nd set of the sprints on time

Shanny says "FU you aint gonna one up me, the 1st one doesnt count b/c you took to long of a break, the one you just did after you came out of the bathroom is your 1st one, do another"

big al, now in full blown drama cry baby mode, walks thru the 2nd (really 3rd) set of sprints.

all this crap was pretty much yesterday.

now im hearing and reading he failed again today then walked his ass to his bentley? if that right? gesus this is middle school.

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sorry for the double post but . .

was anyone there yesterday or heard how the fans reacted/treated big al? i dont see having a few hundred fans spiting venom at Al helping at all.

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[quote=over the mountain;715811]sorry for the double post but . .

was anyone there yesterday or heard how the fans reacted/treated big al? i dont see having a few hundred fans spiting venom at Al helping at all.[/quote]

there was a vid.. he def had some hecklers and boos

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[quote=Longtimefan;715739]It's a complete downer and continues to overshadow the good feeling we want to have going into the season. I wish there was a way for this saga to quickly be resolved so we can concentrate more on what's really important.[/quote]

The resolution is simple, all the Fat Ass has to do is pass the damn test!! Then POOF! it's resolved!

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[quote=over the mountain;715811]sorry for the double post but . .

was anyone there yesterday or heard how the fans reacted/treated big al? i dont see having a few hundred fans spiting venom at Al helping at all.[/quote]

He received a smattering of boo's which was to be expected, on the other hand there was at one point a group that chanted "we love you Al" so go figure.

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[quote=Longtimefan;715843]He received a smattering of boo's which was to be expected, on the other hand there was at one point a group that chanted "we love you Al" so go figure.[/quote]

Hear is a portion of the story written in the Post:

[I]Sopping wet in his gray nylon long-sleeve shirt, he finally acknowledged the crowd shouting his name behind the ropes. [/I]
[I] "We love you, Albert!" someone yelled. He raised his hand in a mock wave just in time to hear the retort. "[B]We'd love you more if you lose 10 more pounds[/B]." [/I]

I love the bold part!

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[quote=murphy196;715844]Hear is a portion of the story written in the Post:

[I]Sopping wet in his gray nylon long-sleeve shirt, he finally acknowledged the crowd shouting his name behind the ropes. [/I]
[I] "We love you, Albert!" someone yelled. He raised his hand in a mock wave just in time to hear the retort. "[B]We'd love you more if you lose 10 more pounds[/B]." [/I]

I love the bold part![/quote]

A mixed reaction I didn't expect, but I did share a quick moment with a player I won't name about the feeling of offseason workouts going foreward. Is this type participation going to be expected to continue in the future, or is/was it because the majority of the guys wanted to leave a good impression. His response was he hadn't given it much thought, but if it is expected to continue he thinks there could be more Haynesworth's in the future minus the dollars.

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missed his first shuttle this morning by a single second

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[quote=murphy196;715844]Hear is a portion of the story written in the Post:

[I]Sopping wet in his gray nylon long-sleeve shirt, he finally acknowledged the crowd shouting his name behind the ropes. [/I]
[I] "We love you, Albert!" someone yelled. He raised his hand in a mock wave just in time to hear the retort. "[B]We'd love you more if you lose 10 more pounds[/B]." [/I]

I love the bold part![/quote]

I believe it was actually said if he'd run 10 more laps, at least that's what was reported by several guys yesterday

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[quote=Longtimefan;715848]A mixed reaction I didn't expect, but I did share a quick moment with a player I won't name about the feeling of offseason workouts going foreward. Is this type participation going to be expected to continue in the future, or is/was it because the majority of the guys wanted to leave a good impression. His response was he hadn't given it much thought, but if it is expected to continue he thinks there could be more Haynesworth's in the future minus the dollars.[/quote]

Well, we'll see. I mean I love that all the players were working out at the park together...but I have never minded when players wanted to train on their own or workout elsewhere. The thing that bothered me about Haynesworth was just the mini camp that was required. If guys want to work out elsewhere next year, I wouldnt have an issue with it... of course I'm sure if we win a ton of games, guys will buy into it. If we go 6-10, then they might not.

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[quote=tryfuhl;715851]I believe it was actually said if he'd run 10 more laps, at least that's what was reported by several guys yesterday[/quote]

From where I was standing I could hear the "We love you" part but little else. I know attention gazed towards the comments.

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This is just awesome. All those people who were fooled by that bathroom break garbage get to realize that he isn't in proper cardio shape and he knows it, because he never has been or planned on being in good shape with reagrds to stamina in his entire freakin life.

Nobody ever made him do it.

This is the best thing that could have ever happened to him as a player and as an immature manchild.

Worst case he completely melts down and throws a tantrum and leaves Redskins Park and quite honestly that would be pretty awesome if that happened.

The age of spoiled players on this team is over.

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Haynesworth still hasn't caught up to Fred Smoot's epic ability to fail the test. Just sayin'

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IMO this is snowballing into a public pissing contest between Shanny and Albert. I don't like it one bit.

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[quote=GMScud;715861]IMO this is snowballing into a public pissing contest between Shanny and Albert. I don't like it one bit.[/quote]

I do, because Albert can't/won't win.

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[quote=tryfuhl;715850]missed his first shuttle this morning by a single second[/quote]

Don't you mean "by a whole second"?

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Given that the test is only given to those not around for offseason activities, I think a message is being sent to the whole team for future offseasons.

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[quote=GMScud;715861]IMO this is snowballing into a public pissing contest between Shanny and Albert. I don't like it one bit.[/quote]

I think it's most of the snowballing is coming from the fans. Albert has not or can not say anything to the media and Shanahan is just using trying to be as generic as possible. It's a big deal because of Albert's past actions, which include him skipping [B]mandatory[/B] workouts, and his failure to complete the test is a validation of many fans' perception of him being a large bag of blubber even if it has also been reported that he has indeed slimmed down. Otherwise, it wouldn't be as such a big deal, as Smoot always failed it on his first try

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You guys can't feel sorry for AL. Yea it's starting to get ugly with the media but this is why Mike Shanahan has won 2 super bowls and has a great coaching record. The guy doesn't put up with BS. Albert brought this on him self when he asked for a trade and didn't show up for OTAs

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[quote=Buster;715865]I do, because Albert can't/won't win.[/quote]

Just because Albert won't win with MS, he can win back some teammates with all of this. I think MS is walking a fine line here. It's blatantly obvious he's making an example of him, which at this stage seems stupid. He showed up, he's 30 lbs lighter, and he's ready to work. Put him on the field and move on.

Apparently these conditioning tests are pretty brutal, and one defensive player said that few players would be able to pass the test that Albert has been taking, and another D-lineman said they had to take that same test in the offseason, but they weren't timed. Others in the organization have acknowledged that he's clearly in shape and has dropped 35 lbs.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/albert-haynesworth/redskins-will-give-haynesworth.html]Redskins Insider - Redskins will give Haynesworth a third chance to pass physical[/url]

It's clearly a power struggle/pissing contest. We get it Mike. You're the boss. There's no need for this at this point. I'm no fan of Albert, but let's cut the distractions and get our best defensive player on the field.

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[quote=GMScud;715881]Just because Albert won't win with MS, he can win back some teammates with all of this. I think MS is walking a fine line here. It's blatantly obvious he's making an example of him, which at this stage seems stupid. He showed up, he's 30 lbs lighter, and he's ready to work. Put him on the field and move on.

Apparently these conditioning tests are pretty brutal, and one defensive player said that few players would be able to pass the test that Albert has been taking, and another D-lineman said they had to take that same test in the offseason, but they weren't timed. Others in the organization have acknowledged that he's clearly in shape and has dropped 35 lbs.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/albert-haynesworth/redskins-will-give-haynesworth.html]Redskins Insider - Redskins will give Haynesworth a third chance to pass physical[/url]

It's clearly a power struggle/pissing contest. We get it Mike. You're the boss. There's no need for this at this point. I'm no fan of Albert, but let's cut the distractions and get our best defensive player on the field.[/quote]

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/albert-haynesworth/more-on-albert-haynesworths-fa.html]Redskins Insider - More on Albert Haynesworth's failed conditioning tests[/url]

[quote]"What happened the other day was he ran the first rep and then he had to use the restroom," Wright said. "You get three and a half minutes; he was gone close to 10. So I gave Albert the option, 'Do you want to run this again?' My suggestion was, let's just wait until the mornin[B][I][U]g. He wanted to run it again, so we ran it again.[/U][/I][/B] So you get three reps as opposed to the two that it normally takes."[/quote]
So, I guess Shanahan should stop getting credit/blame being a hardass/ego-stroker from perople. Albert wanted to take the test, got burned, and inadvertently gave Shanahan an even better image than Shanahan had before this ordeal, for the most part. As I expected, there really isn't a pissing contest going on.

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^ I agree but shanny had to prove a point to this team. It's not like it was with zorn, I want to see AL on the field also but I love what Mike has done so far

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Here's an idea for AH: show up to 50% of the OTAs. Then you won't have to run suicides in the broiling summer sun while everyone watches.

Once Shanny said there would be a test, AH has to take and pass the friggin test. What's so hard to get about that? The alternative strikes me as worse: special treatment for a player who's already made a stink in the offseason.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;715880]You guys can't feel sorry for AL. Yea it's starting to get ugly with the media but this is why Mike Shanahan has won 2 super bowls and has a great coaching record. The guy doesn't put up with BS. Albert brought this on him self when he asked for a trade and didn't show up for OTAs[/quote]

I don't think this has anything to do with feeling sorry for AH. It's all about how this is turning into a big media circus. In the end, it's AH's fault for now showing up when he was supposed to, we get it, the whole world gets it. But when it gets to the point where even some of the players are starting to question what is going, you know something is not right.

I have to believe that there is a way for MS to beat up on AH during practice. Shit, make him run laps after practice, keep him with the 3rd stringers, etc., etc. Anything but this media circus that is probably giving Mike Florio and Cowboys fans a huge boner.

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[quote=GMScud;715881]Just because Albert won't win with MS, he can win back some teammates with all of this. I think MS is walking a fine line here. It's blatantly obvious he's making an example of him, which at this stage seems stupid. He showed up, he's 30 lbs lighter, and he's ready to work. Put him on the field and move on.

Apparently these conditioning tests are pretty brutal, and one defensive player said that few players would be able to pass the test that Albert has been taking, and another D-lineman said they had to take that same test in the offseason, but they weren't timed. Others in the organization have acknowledged that he's clearly in shape and has dropped 35 lbs.

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/albert-haynesworth/redskins-will-give-haynesworth.html"]Redskins Insider - Redskins will give Haynesworth a third chance to pass physical[/URL]

It's clearly a power struggle/pissing contest. We get it Mike. You're the boss. There's no need for this at this point. [B]I'm no fan of Albert, but let's cut the distractions and get our best defensive player on the field.[/B][/quote]


Is he really our best defensive player??? I don't think so have not seen him do jack since coming here. You disgraced Fletcher by saying that.


Everyone was hating on Fat Albert and now that he has to take his meds everyone wants MS to go easy.

F fatty with or without we will post the same amount of wins.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;715885]^ I agree but shanny had to prove a point to this team. It's not like it was with zorn, I want to see AL on the field also but I love what Mike has done so far[/quote]

I think MS has more than proven his point.

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This league has long been catering to the Prima Donna. Nobody like s but most teams do it. I have no doubt guys like [B]Big[/B] making multiple m's....passing out on the field between plays and unable to go because he's to...(fill in the blank) cause problems with the rest of the team and the true "team players" .
I TOTALLY respect and support MS for going against popular opinion, standing his ground, making an example of BIG. He is doing what is talked about but rarely pursued.......demanding TEAM first from his guys and the attitude that HEY, you ain't all that special.
There will not be any problem with.....any guys laying out of OTA's, or taking plays off, etc in the future?

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The actions of the team should not be influenced by the media.

Matt Bowen acknowledged that these conditioning tests are normal. It was understood by the players that missing over 50% of the offseason workouts meant you had to pass the test. So, here we are with the test and he hasn't passed it, but people want to ignore the pre-established rules and let him slide. For shame.