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[quote=Mechanix544;729273]unless we get a second and a 5th, or something around a 3rd and a 4th, or a 3rd and an average receiver (which would become our #2 WR), then I say this deal doesn't get done.

I am actually a little frustrated with how the Chargers won't even field teams inquiring about VJ for less than a second and a third. Its ridiculous.[/quote]

The FO there is known for taking a stand at driving a hard bargain. It' the way they customarily do business.

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[quote=Mattyk;729254]Honestly he kinda scares me in the 3-4 with how undisciplined he plays. And there have been whispers from some players that they're concerned about him too.[/quote]

Recent whispers or are we talking about the Fletcher/Daniels comments about from last year?

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[quote=GTripp0012;729260]We also have to rectify this knowing that given the current roster (read: age + salary structure), the 2011 team almost certainly won't be as good as the 2010 team.

There are plenty of things a team can do in the offseason to better its long term and short term fortunes. But the only thing a team can do to completely change the outlook of it's organization in a year is have an other worldly (better than 98% of all other) draft class. And we're already down two picks and retained only 2 players (plus 3 UDFAs) from this class.

So while it's about 11 months too early to have an accurate prediction for next year's Redskins (or even if there will be a next year's Redskins), it's worth pointing out that any move we make that hurts our chances to win this year is doing so at the expense of next year's team as well.

To be clear, I'm not saying that the 2011 team can't win. They can: but only if we ALREADY have the right balance of players to be successful now and in the future. [B]If we cut Albert Haynesworth and have a poor rushing defense with limited pass rush, there's no silver lining. There's just decreased quality of defense going forward.[/quote][/B]

the run defense may be poor with or without him. but to me this is why the front office MUST get something in return. they simply can't let the guy walk w/out compensation.

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I would not cut him. I'd trade ONLY for at least a 2'nd and a 5'th or a player and a 4'th or 5'th. If I couldn't get that for I'd deactivate his fat butt every game and ruin the rest of his career.

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[quote=VTSKINS61;729286]I would not cut him. I'd trade ONLY for at least a 2'nd and a 5'th or a player and a 4'th or 5'th. If I couldn't get that for [B][U]I'd deactivate his fat butt every game and ruin the rest of his career[/U][/B].[/quote]


I like that idea!!! Or trade him to another team for something like a thirty pack of beer!!!! Or a $25 gift card to Chilis!!!LMAO

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[quote=VTSKINS61;729286]I would not cut him. I'd trade ONLY for at least a 2'nd and a 5'th or a player and a 4'th or 5'th. [B]If I couldn't get that for I'd deactivate his fat butt every game and ruin the rest of his caree[/B]r.[/quote]

For a seventh post, you show a lot of maturity. Welcome aboard.

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[quote=Longtimefan;729275]Shanahan spoke to that particular issue on his show on NBC with Larry Michael and Lindsay Czarnaik. [B]He's afraid his undisciplined play will create holes in the defense that will allow runners to rip-off long gains by being out of position.[/B][/quote]

You mean MORE holes than the ones which were there in the preseason every time AH decided to do his own thing?

AH is in many ways a very talented liability.

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TRADE HIM FOR RANDY MOSS WHO ACCORDING TO YAHOO "feels un-wanted"

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Randy-Moss-feels-quot-unwanted-quot-in-New-Eng?urn=nfl-267933]Randy Moss feels 'unwanted' in New England - Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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i don't think Shanahan would deal him if he didn't think we could still win without him, Landry will play SS but he will in the box a lot almost as another LB i think we can stop the run, and i think we will have a strong pass rush considering Orakpo will be Blitzed a lot more with will do a couple things, 1 it could expose carter as a bad coverage man and the QB could just check to his man, or Orakpo disrupts the QB enough he throws an inaccurate pass.

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No frigging way. We need draft picks period. Ship Fat Albert back to Tenn for a first rounder and a second or at least 2 second rounders minimum. We can use this opportunity to get draft picks back!!!!! I rather wait a year and draft a top WR than get VJ. The Draftee will work harder to prove he belongs and will be younger. Hopefully we don't get a prime dona though.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;729300]TRADE HIM FOR RANDY MOSS WHO ACCORDING TO YAHOO "feels un-wanted"

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Randy-Moss-feels-quot-unwanted-quot-in-New-Eng?urn=nfl-267933]Randy Moss feels 'unwanted' in New England - Shutdown Corner - NFL* - Yahoo! Sports[/url][/quote]

The patriots would in no way take Haynesworth, 1- cause of his attitude, and 2- cause of his crazy contract (which is what is preventing other teams too, but the pats are more about getting players at a lower value than any other team in the NFL).

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maybe I'm in the minority here, but I've changed my mind recently. I was willing to let Haynesworth go, however, after McNabb came out and said we can't win without him means Albert is still liked in the locker room and people know how talented he really is. If he plays like poo first game of the season, then I understand getting rid of him cause he just mentally doesn't want to play...however, at this point, he's only performed poorly because of his fued with Shanny, and it's the preseason. Why would he play hard last game of the preseason when he was forced to play the whole game? I am just not sure Haynesworth will tank it come regular season.

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[quote=jsarno;729317]The patriots would in no way take Haynesworth, 1- cause of his attitude, and 2- cause of his crazy contract (which is what is preventing other teams too, but the pats are more about getting players at a lower value than any other team in the NFL).[/quote]

Well, the Patriots did take a chance on Randy Moss not too long ago. Plus, Haynesworth's contract is really not all that much after we paid him 21 m. Furthermore, the Pats D is in shambles...and I'm sure Darth Hoody would get something out of AH. And finally, the Pats have been known to be in the better end of lopsided deals. So it is plausible I would say.

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the Pats run a 3-4 guys. Come on, be smart about things.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;729320]the Pats run a 3-4 guys. Come on, be smart about things.[/quote]

Well I've heard in the offseason that Belichick is gearing more towards a 4-3 defense. Or at least they were trying it out. Plus, no disrespect to Haslett, but Belichick is a defensive genius and would make Haynesworth work out in his schemes.

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[quote=Ruhskins;729319]Well, the Patriots did take a chance on Randy Moss not too long ago. Plus, Haynesworth's contract is really not all that much after we paid him 21 m. Furthermore, the Pats D is in shambles...and I'm sure Darth Hoody would get something out of AH. And finally, the Pats have been known to be in the better end of lopsided deals. So it is plausible I would say.[/quote]

Moss is the only "questionable" one they have gone after. And they made a big deal out of his attitude and made him sit with Belicheat before hand. Not to mention that Moss had one of his worst seasons, and came at an amazing discount (4th rounder)...every team would have done that, the pats just pulled it off. Moss also belonged to the MOST dysfunctional team there is hands down. Haynesworth is just fighting the system and the coach. Trust me, Haynesworth messing with Shanahan is a lot worse than Moss having issues with the 2 win Raiders and Art Shell.

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[quote=Ruhskins;729322]Well I've heard in the offseason that Belichick is gearing more towards a 4-3 defense. Or at least they were trying it out. Plus, no disrespect to Haslett, but Belichick is a defensive genius and would make Haynesworth work out in his schemes.[/quote]

While I would agree Haynesworth would be a massive improvement for the Pats, the Patriots hate players that think they are better than the team. This is the same team that got rid of Ty Law!

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[quote=diehardskin2982;729300]TRADE HIM FOR RANDY MOSS WHO ACCORDING TO YAHOO "feels un-wanted"

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Randy-Moss-feels-quot-unwanted-quot-in-New-Eng?urn=nfl-267933"]Randy Moss feels 'unwanted' in New England - Shutdown Corner - NFL* - Yahoo! Sports[/URL][/quote]
Moss will be 34 in February. Not really a good idea.

Trade him for draft picks, draft picks and oh yeah......draft picks. Unless you can get someone to trade a player that WON'T be approaching social security age.

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[quote=jsarno;729323]Moss is the only "questionable" one they have gone after. And they made a big deal out of his attitude and made him sit with Belicheat before hand. Not to mention that Moss had one of his worst seasons, and came at an amazing discount (4th rounder)...every team would have done that, the pats just pulled it off. Moss also belonged to the MOST dysfunctional team there is hands down. Haynesworth is just fighting the system and the coach. Trust me, Haynesworth messing with Shanahan is a lot worse than Moss having issues with the 2 win Raiders and Art Shell.[/quote]

I would respectfully disagree. Randy Moss' antics were well known before he got to Oakland, including off the field issues. Maybe AH's contract makes it a bigger deal here, but Randy Moss in his malcontent/team cancer prime was worst I would argue.

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[quote=Ruhskins;729329]I would respectfully disagree. Randy Moss' antics were well known before he got to Oakland, including off the field issues. Maybe AH's contract makes it a bigger deal here, but Randy Moss in his malcontent/team cancer prime was worst I would argue.[/quote]

You definately make a good point. He was a cancer when leaving Minnesota too, I just think the combo of contract and bad attitude / thinks he's bigger than the team is a deterant for the Pats. They do not go down those roads historically.

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[quote=jsarno;729317]The patriots would in no way take Haynesworth, 1- cause of his attitude, and 2- cause of his crazy contract (which is what is preventing other teams too, but the pats are more about getting players at a lower value than any other team in the NFL).[/quote]

His contract is not crazy at all. Its like 3 years with only 8 mil guarenteed. We already paid him the crazy part.

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Now remember if we where able to trade AH to the pats the Redskins FO could not use any of there Jedi Skills and get more picks out of them Darth Hoody was once a Jedi he is now a Sith (I beleive that's the correct spelling) LOL.

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[quote=RedskinMike;729333]His contract is not crazy at all. Its like 3 years with only 8 mil guarenteed. We already paid him the crazy part.[/quote]

He signed a 7 year 100 million contract (could be 115 mil with incentives), and wasn't 41 mil guarenteed? I thought he was to receive around 30 million as a signing bonus within the first year or so, but other than that, I'm unsure of the particulars. Just seems crazy I guess, but maybe you're right.

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I just want this to end. Shanahan couldn't have handled this any worse and now the players are behind the guy he is trying to humiliate (unsuccessfully)

This whole leaking negative information to the media smells like Snyder calling the shots. Whoever thought of it looks like a moron.

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[quote=jsarno;729341]He signed a 7 year 100 million contract (could be 115 mil with incentives), and wasn't 41 mil guarenteed? I thought he was to receive around 30 million as a signing bonus within the first year or so, but other than that, I'm unsure of the particulars. Just seems crazy I guess, but maybe you're right.[/quote]

all of the guarenteed money has already been paid except for 8 or 9 mil, his contract is actually very trade friendly.

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Bruce Allen just said "there is nothing to report on Haynesworth trade talks. The Redskins are not trying to trade him." You'd expect him to say that.

Also told Shanahan doesnt back down from his asking price. So if a 2nd and a 5th is what he wants, then Haynesworth will not leave unless that price is met.

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[quote=PHazard;729344]Bruce Allen just said "there is nothing to report on Haynesworth trade talks. The Redskins are not trying to trade him." You'd expect him to say that.

Also told Shanahan doesnt back down from his asking price. So if a 2nd and a 5th is what he wants, then Haynesworth will not leave unless that price is met.[/quote]


I want to know who is allowing all of the leaks to the press. That is why the players are backing Haynesworth now. All of them know that they could be the next one passive aggressively sold out by management there.

This is a huge dissappointment for me who thought things were going to be different.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;729342]I just want this to end. Shanahan couldn't have handled this any worse and now the players are behind the guy he is trying to humiliate (unsuccessfully)

.[/quote]

So this is all Shanahans fault AH did nothing wrong ? You say the players are behind him which ones are they becuase I haven't heard of any,players have had talks and said they have gone well they have said he understands the system and is getting use to it but as for backing him and saying what he has done is right ...........nope but I might have missed it.Mike Shananhan never once tried to humilate AH......he did that all by himself.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;729346]I want to know who is allowing all of the leaks to the press. That is why the players are backing Haynesworth now. All of them know that they could be the next one passive aggressively sold out by management there.

This is a huge dissappointment for me who thought things were going to be different.[/quote]

the next twitter :

CindyBoren

So there you have it. RT @RickMaese: Of course [B]league sources and media reports[/B] continue to suggest otherwise. #Redskins #Haynesworth less than a minute ago via ÜberTwitter

JLC is famous for his league sources, and [airquote]sources[/airquote] from the Redskins. Sure the Skins have seen what is out there, I am sure SD has seen what's out there for VJ. But bottomline, unless our price is met Shanny is going to use AH as he and Haslett see fit. I just wish we could see under the covers so that we really knew what percentage was bs and what was real.

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[quote=Giantone;729348]So this is all Shanahans fault AH did nothing wrong ? You say the players are behind him which ones are they becuase I haven't heard of any,players have had talks and said they have gone well they have said he understands the system and is getting use to it but as for backing him and saying what he has done is right ...........nope but I might have missed it.Mike Shananhan never once tried to humilate AH......he did that all by himself.[/quote]

According to PocketStraight Haynesworth can do no wrong.

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[quote=Giantone;729348]So this is all Shanahans fault AH did nothing wrong ? You say the players are behind him which ones are they because I haven't heard of any,players have had talks and said they have gone well they have said he understands the system and is getting use to it but as for backing him and saying what he has done is right ...........nope but I might have missed it.Mike Shanahan never once tried to humiliate AH......he did that all by himself.[/quote]

+1 for reality check

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[quote=Giantone;729348]So this is all Shanahans fault AH did nothing wrong ? You say the players are behind him which ones are they becuase I haven't heard of any,players have had talks and said they have gone well they have said he understands the system and is getting use to it but as for backing him and saying what he has done is right ...........nope but I might have missed it.Mike Shananhan never once tried to humilate AH......he did that all by himself.[/quote]

The fact that this is still an issue and no one is talking about Dallas is all Shanahan's fault. I know that they wouldn't be leaking stuff to the press without him signing off on it. Now his players are publically backing the guy he is pissed at. That makes him look bad.

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[quote=wilsowilso;729351]According to PocketStraight Haynesworth can do no wrong.[/quote]


I never said that.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;729353]The fact that this is still an issue and no one is talking about Dallas is all Shanahan's fault. I know that they wouldn't be leaking stuff to the press without him signing off on it. Now his players are publically backing the guy he is pissed at. That makes him look bad.[/quote]

Who has publically backed AH, and by extension put down MS' handling of it?(Fletch saying AH was going to get with the program doesn't count in my mind) To what extent?

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;729353]The fact that this is still an issue and no one is talking about Dallas is all Shanahan's fault. I know that they wouldn't be leaking stuff to the press without him signing off on it. Now his players are publically backing the guy he is pissed at. That makes him look bad.[/quote]

Also, no one talking about Dallas? Rabach, Rex, all said the starters have been planning for Dallas for the last two weeks at least. Just because the MEDIA dwells on AH doesn't mean that the Skins at work are sitting there hanging on every word. I just see this as a non-issue IN the locker room, but I have no inside sources, so if you do PS maybe you could share that insight.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;729353]The fact that this is still an issue and no one is talking about Dallas is all Shanahan's fault. I know that they wouldn't be leaking stuff to the press without him signing off on it. Now his players are publically backing the guy he is pissed at. That makes him look bad.[/quote]



Only in your eyes.My question to you is you are so sure it's the Redskins management doing the leaks.....ever think it could be the Titans or big Al's agent?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;729357]Also, no one talking about Dallas? Rabach, Rex, all said the starters have been planning for Dallas for the last two weeks at least. Just because the MEDIA dwells on AH doesn't mean that the Skins at work are sitting there hanging on every word. I just see this as a non-issue IN the locker room, but I have no inside sources, so if you do PS maybe you could share that insight.[/quote]


I am talking about this week. Instead of the focus being on the game, ESPN, WP, ESPN980, 106.7 are focused on AH. And every player interviewed has to answer the same question, what they think about the situation.

Lavar said that this is exactly how AH would be treated. This team has executed several smear campaigns in the past. This is how they do business.

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[quote=Giantone;729358]Only in your eyes.My question to you is you are so sure it's the Redskins management doing the leaks.....ever think it could be the Titans or big Al's agent?[/quote]

So Big Al's agent is leaking game tape analysis to Jason Reid and convincing him to attribute it to a team source?

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;729361]So Big Al's agent is leaking game tape analysis to Jason Reid and convincing him to attribute it to a team source?[/quote]

No ,all I heard to day was Chris Mortonson and ESPN saying an 'UNNAMED" source.What I want to know is where do you get Mike Shananhan doing any of this ???

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;729360]

Lavar said that this is exactly how AH would be treated. This team has executed several smear campaigns in the past. This is how they do business.[/quote]


Lavar hmmmmmm ,ok who were they?