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[quote=mooby;774376]Yeah sorry Gano but those 3 points from that chip shot really would've helped when we were down by 3 at the end of the game. We left points on the field, not just because of the missed field goal but also because of the turnovers. We could've won today, the defense stepped it up in the second half other than Hall whiffing on the Manningham touchdown and we could've had this one.[/quote]

Story of the season, especially at home.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;774374]Keeping him was just another stupid coaching decision in a pretty long list.[/quote]

Not really. I mean it was a meaningless game and thanks to Gano's galf the team was able to keep it's pride while not moving to far back in the draft. Of course it's safe to say that he's gone.

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That fcking donkey has to go!

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[quote=htownskinfan;774351]damn,cant believe no ones hit this thread yet,Gano with another miss,easy one too
well I was late,somebody did.
Bad thing is,I dont really want to cut Gano unless we can sign Adam Vinateri or someone like that.
This team just has so many needs where to start[/quote]

My thing is this...our offense the last 3 years is horrible and I see no huge turnover in our future, so every single point is needed. Look at all the overtime games this season alone or last season loses of very close games. A good field goal kicker makes sense in our situation. Gano is leading the league or near the top in misses this season. We need major improvement here.

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Don't you just love it how he blames others for his misses?

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Cannot cut him unless you have a better replacement to bring in. Dont say a rookie kicker cause he will also go through ups and downs.

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[quote=skins89moss;774426]Cannot cut him unless you have a better replacement to bring in. Dont say a rookie kicker cause he will also go through ups and downs.[/quote]

If he can make kicks constantly under 40 yards, I'd drop Gano's ass in a heartbeat.

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[quote=saden1;774411]That fcking donkey has to go![/quote]

Write it down, Saden, I agree with every letter of your post minus that it deserved an additional "u".

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Gano has missed 11 kicks = 33 points this season. Sure some of them have been long misses but still...

Just as a point of reference, we have scored 302 points all season.

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Let's get Matt Prater (K) and Adam Podlesh (P - former Terp). They seem to be the top FA at those positions. No way the Colts let Adam V. go.

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Should have signed Shayne Graham.

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[quote=Chico23231;774414]My thing is this...our offense the last 3 years is horrible and I see no huge turnover in our future, so every single point is needed. Look at all the overtime games this season alone or last season loses of very close games. A good field goal kicker makes sense in our situation. Gano is leading the league or near the top in misses this season. We need major improvement here.[/quote]

Hey,I completely agree.Our front office hasnt put enough emphasis on signing a good kicker in yrs.Like I said,Im all for signing a kicker if its somebody thats really really good,if their not there than just keep Gano.He's got a strong leg and kickers usually get better with experience,he should be better next yr.

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Gano needs some serious off season competition. Shanahan seems to be a believer in him, so I doubt he just gets dumped outright.

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[quote=Mattyk;774597]Gano needs some serious off season competition. Shanahan seems to be a believer in him, so I doubt he just gets dumped outright.[/quote]

Off season competition, my foot! He needs to go! Missing several short field goals is absolutely unacceptable. Also, he has kicked the ball out of bounds on some kickoffs, as well, giving opponents the ball at their 40 yard line. That is also unacceptable.

How many times have we seen a place kicker do well enough in camp and preseason to win a job only to see him suck in the real games? We just don't need a replay of that scenario here.

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I was at a bar & couldn't hear any of the commentary when they showed Gano, S'berg & punter (holder) after the kick on the sideline. Gano was doing all the talking & rolled his eyes at the guys. Looked like he was blaming them for the snap/hold being bad.

Was that the case? Anyone hear what was said on the telecast?

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Overall he was very solid on kickoffs.

He's young, so Shanahan has to decide whether it's worth sticking with him to see if he can work through his issues, or do you cut ties and move on? I think he's worth keeping around, but bring in a quality vet to compete for the job.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;774477]Gano has missed 11 kicks = 33 points this season. Sure some of them have been long misses but still...

Just as a point of reference, we have scored 302 points all season.[/quote]

Your wrong and thats the big problem. He is missing short kicks.

Gano
24 of 35

20 to 29 yards
8 of 10

30 to 39 yards
4 of 7

40 to 49 yards
11 of 14

50+
0 of 3

As you can see he sucks from 20 to 39 yards which are the ones he should be making just about 100% of the time. I'd give him a break on the 0 of 3 from 50 plus if he was making the shorter kick but he is not even making them. I bet SS is saying "You Miss Me Now". By the way when we let him go his average was around 87% and he has made 13 of 14 this year. The same people that wanted him gone have let Gano slide on his god awful kicking because he is young. I don't get the young part because its not like kicking is different in the NFL from college. If anything kicking in college can be harder because of the wider hash markers.

In his defense someone said he has kicked several KO out of bounds but that has only happend once and he is ranked 15th in those stats.

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Letting Suisham go was an instinctive move and a mistake IMO.

Gano's accuracy is bad and his KO's are average. However we have been under average in KO for the last couple years, hence the reason that area is mentioned a lot.

I think you bring in other kickers for competition, but do not cut Gano unless we have a solid replacement.

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At least with Gano he's much better on kickoffs than Suisham

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Here a list of FO for Punter and Kickers. We need both

Punters:

Adam Podlesh (JAC) – Though Podlesh hasn’t boomed a lot of his punts, he does a good job with hang time and limiting return yardage on the back end, putting him in the top 10 of net punting. He’s a nice young punter who should continue to punt at a high level.

Sam Koch (BAL) – Koch has been a nice consistent punter who has improved on his work pinning the ball inside the 20.

Daniel Sepulveda (PIT) – Sepulveda has a strong leg and should be a top 10 punter for the next decade. He wasn’t great pinning teams in the 20, but his net hasn’t suffered as a result.

Kickers:

Matt Prater (DEN) – The opportunities haven’t come as frequently, but Prater remains a reliable kicker with a strong leg. He’s accurate inside of 40 and has the leg to boot the long ones. He’s very strong on kickoffs too.

Ryan Longwell (MIN) – Longwell, like Prater, hasn’t had as many attempts this season, but has missed only one all season. To be fair, he has attempted only one beyond 40 this year, but has the leg to still hit from around 50. He’s a good clutch kicker and happy in a dome.

David Akers (PHI) – As a virtually lifelong Eagle, I don’t expect the two sides to part ways now. He’s drilled numerous game-winners and still has the leg to hit beyond 50. The two sides will probably get a deal done shortly after the season.

Adam Vinatieri (IND) – Though he’s getting up there in age, Vinatieri’s accuracy hasn’t wavered much. In the dome, Vinatieri and Indy seem like a great match as he starts to lose a little on his leg.

Ackers isnt leaving, everyone else could be.

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[quote=Mattyk;774645]At least with Gano he's much better on kickoffs than Suisham[/quote]

That does not make up for the missed kicks in my opinion. He is about 5 yards longer then SS this year.

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[quote=firstdown;774658]That does not make up for the missed kicks in my opinion. He is about 5 yards longer then SS this year.[/quote]

So can we assume next year when Gano is going 13/14 somewhere else, you'll be asking why did we let him go?

In hindsight you seem to be saying we should have kept Suisham despite his struggles, but you want Gano gone? I'm not following your logic.

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[quote=Mattyk;774660]So can we assume next year when Gano is going 13/14 somewhere else, you'll be asking why did we let him go?

In hindsight you seem to be saying we should have kept Suisham despite his struggles, but you want Gano gone? I'm not following your logic.[/quote]

SS was 87% when we let him go and Gano is not even close to that. I did not even know what SS had done this year until I looked it up and was going off what he did when he was here. While SS was not the best Gano is alot worse and is missing too many short FG.

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Bring the guy back and let him compete w/ someone. This team has a lot more serious issues than the freakin kicker.

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Prater or Longwell, we need someone more dependable

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[quote=skinsfan69;774692]Bring the guy back and let him compete w/ someone. This team has a lot more serious issues than the freakin kicker.[/quote]

I'd say thats true if we didn't keep loosing games by 3 points with missed chip shot FG.

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[quote=firstdown;774690]SS was 87% when we let him go and Gano is not even close to that. I did not even know what SS had done this year until I looked it up and was going off what he did when he was here. While SS was not the best Gano is alot worse and is missing too many short FG.[/quote]

Fair enough, I thought SS got scapegoated a bit last year myself, but he had his fair share of frustrating misses here that finally caught up with him.

SS has kicked well for the Steelers especially considering how tough it is in their stadium for kickers.

Sometimes you have to know when to stick by a guy or move on. That's something Shanahan is gonna have to figure out this offseason.

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[quote=Mattyk;774695]Fair enough, I thought SS got scapegoated a bit last year myself, but he had his fair share of frustrating misses here that finally caught up with him.

SS has kicked well for the Steelers especially considering how tough it is in their stadium for kickers.

Sometimes you have to know when to stick by a guy or move on. That's something Shanahan is gonna have to figure out this offseason.[/quote]

I think maybe you said it best. Don't let go of a player until you know you have a better replacement.

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[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/graham-gano/graham-gano-says-misses-are-a.html]Redskins Insider - Graham Gano says misses are a matter of technique[/url]

Gano seems to think it's a matter of technique that can be corrected.

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I'd give Gano a very committed second chance next year. He has a lot of promise but he needs to deliver with it. Bring in a serious competitor with experience and make him show in training camp he can handle the pressure. It'd be nice too if they could get him a holder and keep him. Switching up mid-year probably wasn't helpful.

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[quote=FRPLG;774699]I'd give Gano a very committed second chance next year. [B]He has a lot of promise[/B] but he needs to deliver with it. Bring in a serious competitor with experience and make him show in training camp he can handle the pressure. It'd be nice too if they could get him a holder and keep him. Switching up mid-year probably wasn't helpful.[/quote]

Couldn't we say that about anyone who makes it into the NFL? The only thing he has done this year to impress me was making to kicks in overtime. Problem is that I think the only reason we were in overtime was because he had missed a kick.

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[quote=Mattyk;774698][url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/graham-gano/graham-gano-says-misses-are-a.html]Redskins Insider - Graham Gano says misses are a matter of technique[/url]

Gano seems to think it's a matter of technique that can be corrected.[/quote]

He's hardly going to say:
"The misses are because I am not good enough to be a starting kicker"

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[quote=rbanerjee23;774789]He's hardly going to say:
"The misses are because I am not good enough to be a starting kicker"[/quote]

Well the suggestion was made that it might be mental, but he thinks it's mechanics. It's obvious the talent is there.

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[quote=Mattyk;774795]Well the suggestion was made that it might be mental, but he thinks it's mechanics. [B]It's obvious the talent is there.[/quote][/B]

It is?

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[quote=firstdown;774811][/B]

It is?[/quote]

Sure, he's got a big leg, and you don't make it to this level without having some skills.

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[quote=Mattyk;774698][url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/graham-gano/graham-gano-says-misses-are-a.html]Redskins Insider - Graham Gano says misses are a matter of technique[/url]

Gano seems to think it's a matter of technique that can be corrected.[/quote]

Technique my arse!

He looks like hes shaking like a hound dog crapping a peach seed every time he lines up to kick a fg or extra point for that matter. I probably would be to though, but geeze louise make a fg crying out loud! Confidence is all he needs

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Even though he has ticked me off big time more often than not, I would like to see how Gano performs when he isn't afraid of every snap being the one that leads to a botched FG. If he can't perform with a better holder, he better be packing his bags.

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I like Gano. I believe if given the chance, he will become a solid kicker for us. He does have the skills and the leg. What he needs is time. Also the microscope gets stronger when so many games are so close and go into OT.

Or we can release him and watch him win games for another team while complaining about how Gano is so much better than our "current" kicker.

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I just want an effing kicker who doesnt lead the league in effing field goal misses. I dont think im asking too much....lord look at the last 3 years of our poor kicking preformances, its cost us conservatively 5+ games. Anyone to say improvement is not needed is completely assine

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[quote=44ever;775030]I like Gano. I believe if given the chance, he will become a solid kicker for us. He does have the skills and the leg. What he needs is time. Also the microscope gets stronger when so many games are so close and go into OT.

Or we can release him and watch him win games for another team while complaining about how Gano is so much better than our "current" kicker.[/quote]

I'm so sick and tired of hearing that. Gano flat out sucks. How many under 30 yard FG does he have to miss? If a FG kicker causes everyone to sit on pens and needles for kicks under 30 yds, he needs to go.