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[quote=T.O.Killa;754822]It always easy to look good with Brady, for that matter Manning. Both teams are considered the best talent evaluaters in football. Show me how they replace those two, and then I will judge how great they are.[/quote]

Forget Brady. They got rid of every single old guy on their defense. Now they've got all young guys playing on defense and they've lost one game, and they've got a ton of draft picks. Now look at us... We've got a lot of older guys and we're an average to below average team with no draft picks. Something is really wrong here.

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Talking about New England is just silly. They had several seasons to turn over that defense, and Brady is well established and has a much better OL.

I think people are forgetting the new regime here came in at a tough time where free agency was very limited and we already had limited picks on hand from Vinny.

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If Shanahan wanted to send DM a message there are much much better ways to do it than the way he did. Aside from the fact that he chose to make this "message" during a very winnable game--which is ridiculous--he made a very shortsighted strategic decision vis-a-vis his credibility with the team.
DM is not a rookie or journeyman. Treat him with some respect. And if you diss him--don't then say something even more horseshit like Grossmann gave us a better chance to win in the last two minutes and he can get two plays in at the same time blah blah blah. It's an inconsistent message, it is not concise in its reasoning, and it does nothing to instill confidence.

As a CEO type coach--Shanahan has to project this confidence and be consistent in a concise manner. The three C's of a CEO. All he did yesterday--based on his own reasoning after the game--was diminish his leadership cred tremendously. That is the most damaging thing about the loss yesterday...

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[quote=Twilbert07;754735]That's true. A week from today, maybe all the QB conversation will have calmed, and the Cowboys will be 1-7.[/quote]

If Dallas went 0-16, it still wouldn't make me feel better. Especially that we may very well be in the same places they will be after week 17... AT HOME DURING THE PLAYOFFS. That "Dallas sucks" mentality while we SUCK ALSO is just too funny. I could care less what they are doing.

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[quote=Mattyk;754723]After sleeping on this the one thing that really bothers me this morning is the message benching McNabb sends to the team. Shanahan has done a great job this year overall, but this one move was a big mistake on his part. He needs to get with Kyle and Donovan over the bye and get this thing fixed. I don't care if they have to modify the offense, just do whatever you've got to do to get everyone on the same page and moving forward... together.

You can see it in everyone's body language out there. McNabb is frustrated, they cut to Kyle and he's frustrated. There's a disconnect somewhere.[/quote]

While I dont agree with Shanny's decision to bench DM for the last series I do like the fact that Shanny isnt in love with the players no matter their name or how much $ they make. If he thinks you arent getting it done you are out of there and I like that.

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[quote=irish;754850]While I dont agree with Shanny's decision to bench DM for the last series I do like the fact that Shanny isnt in love with the players no matter their name or how much $ they make. If he thinks you arent getting it done you are out of there and I like that.[/quote]

Definitely agree.

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Calm down buddy. The offensive line is to blame.
They need ALOT of work
you cant expect much from a QB that has less than 2 seconds to
get rid of the ball every play.
Kyle and his dad were wrong for taking mcnabb out.
He was our only chance to get down the field for a TD in 2 mins.
Putting in our backup was the stupidest thing we've done all year.
Not only did it ruin our chances of winning the game,
Now the confidence of the team is down
and although Mcnabb is a classy dude and doesnt show his frustration...
I'm sure he's pissed.

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[quote=Mattyk;754776]I don't buy the 2 minute thing at all. One season in Houston where he played in 1 game, and we're supposed to believe he's better equipped to handle things over a guy like McNabb with his resume? Good one Shanny but I'm selling that one.[/quote]

Ditto...I'm not buying that shit at all...so WTF did he do it then?

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[quote=skinsfan69;754813]I'm just tired of us bringing in all these older guys for draft picks...it's not just McNabb but Brown looks like it was a bad move, so there's more draft picks. When is someone going to come in here and stop trading away picks for old guys??? I was watching the Pats yesterday and the guy that was filling in for Buck said that NE has two 1st round picks, 2 2nd round picks and two 3rd round picks in next year's draft and they're playing ALL YOUNG GUYS on defense. I want someone from their front office here....Oh yeah, KC got him and they're now in 1st place in the AFC West.[/quote]

I certainly agree with your assessment, there are many more who share in your views.

Using the current formula, it's difficult to envision a blueprint for how the team is going to get younger or better.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;754857]Ditto...I'm not buying that shit at all...so WTF did he do it then?[/quote]

Maybe he has seen enough of McNabb playing the way he has. Except for the houston game, McNabb has played like absolute shit this season. We lost yesterday because of the INT he threw to triple coverage...

Shanahan is no dummy and he has just seen enough of McNabb. McNabb isn't losing us games, but he really isnt the reason we are winning them either.

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[quote=Mattyk;754839]Talking about New England is just silly. They had several seasons to turn over that defense, and Brady is well established and has a much better OL.

I think people are forgetting the new regime here came in at a tough time where free agency was very limited and we already had limited picks on hand from Vinny.[/quote]

Yeah but if the picks were limited and you've already got an old team why give up more picks to bring in more old guys? Sorry but it makes no sense and the smart teams don't make moves like that.

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[quote=irish;754850]While I dont agree with Shanny's decision to bench DM for the last series I do like the fact that Shanny isnt in love with the players no matter their name or how much $ they make. [B] If he thinks you arent getting it done you are out of there and I like that[/B].[/quote]

Well in that case we should have half the team (or more) sit the bench. Seems Shannys picking on the High profile players IMO. I think everyone should stand accountable no matter the position or the salary.

I don't see that happening across the board.

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[quote=irish;754850]While I dont agree with Shanny's decision to bench DM for the last series I do like the fact that Shanny isnt in love with the players no matter their name or how much $ they make. If he thinks you arent getting it done you are out of there and I like that.[/quote]

He's not benching that terrible left guard who can't block a girl. I think it's cause it's his hand picked guy so he's staying in there, even though he's a total 100% liability.

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This just in....
[B]The Redskins just activated a new QB and they are making him the starter over both McNabb and Grossman since he knows the offense better than both of them[/B]

Our new starting QB is Kyle Shanahan!

ingenious!

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I don't think he should have been benched (thought I don't hate on Grossman quite the way some others do), however, I've watched that final interception a few dozen times now and for the life of me I can't figure out what McNabb was thinking. He says his hand got it, or the ball got tipped, something like that-still, it was hardly enough to account for such a terrible decision there. He telegraphed the play right into triple coverage. That was a horrible play by McNabb. Absolutely horrible

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Oh yeah...regarding offensive line play...I said it several weeks ago that rotating olinemen was idiotic...and some said...well, they used to do that in the 60's or something when Guard brought in the play call from the sidelines.

Ask yourself these questions in general...
Is it wise to voluntarily shuffle olinemen every game?
Is it wise to bench a clearly better LG for another?
Is it wise to stick with zone blocking when it is collapsing and you have the players and experience to power rush? (see TD by Williams)

At least Bugel put in a H back AND Sellers when things got bad.

This was ridiculous....and Haslett is dodging a bullet here too.
The Lions adjusted at half time and had a field day moving the ball....the Skins did not adjust any blocking scheme at half time.
Overall...not impressed with coaching...the benching was just idiotic icing on the cake.

And get off McNabb's back....that run he made was amazing.
If we had "dump off" Campbell we'd probably be 2-6...remember, that was the alternative.

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People are forgetting the other pick six that was called back due to penalty. That's the second week in a row he mind-****ed a telegraphed pass right to an opposing db and was bailed out by the officials.

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That was some Jim Zorn sh#t! That was a horrible coaching decision with horrible timing. Rex Grossman is not an option with 2 minutes to go and the game on the line. Only if McNabb is injured. I was so upset, I was stunned! I thought that for sure McNabb was knocked out of the game, not a coaching decision. WTF. The result of the benching was worse than the decision. F'ckn Sexy Rexy fumbling the ball, like he did so many times at Chicago, and giving the Lions a sealed victory. Not even a f'ckn chance. Jim Zorn sh#t!

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[quote=Mattyk;754766]I think the breakdown Tim Ryan did during the game outlining the difference between this offense and Philly's was very good. In Philly McNabb read short to long in his progressions, here it's the opposite. In Philly it was all about short quick throws, here the plays take a lot longer to develop.

Yes he's had plenty of bad throws that you can't blame on the system, but you can definitely see he's not comfortable out there, so like it or not, the system "excuse" is a very valid one in my book.[/quote]I usually hate Tim Ryan, but that was some of the best on-air analysis that I've heard regarding McNabb's adjustment to the new offense.

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Ok. I apologize. I had to get that off my chest. I was very upset with McNabb as well. He was having a horrible day. You have 2 minutes on the clock and are down less than a touchdown. All it takes is one good drive to win the game. You have to give your veteran quarterback a chance to redeem himself.

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Note to Skins fans,
There is a reason why Coach Shannihan is the Head Coach. He is a proven winner with a couple fingers SB hardware to back it up. THAT puts him in very elite company.
By virtue that you do not agree with or do not understand the Coaches motivations or decisions is unimportant for the most part. Coaches decisions trumps players, fans, etc......you get the idea.
Did MS make the right decision? Who knows?
BUT, by virtue of his experience level and track record against ours (or until something surfaces, to alter things) Coach has to get the nod....fan hysteria not withstanding.
There [B]IS[/B] a reason he gets 49m to do this and we don't?

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McNabb was probably thinking when Rex got sack/fumbled... "Yep, that's what I've been dealing with all day Rexy." Offensive line play is terrible.

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[quote=Hog1;754902]Note to Skins fans,
There is a reason why Coach Shannihan is the Head Coach. He is a proven winner with a couple fingers SB hardware to back it up. THAT puts him in very elite company.
By virtue that you do not agree with or do not understand the Coaches motivations or decisions is unimportant for the most part. Coaches decisions trumps players, fans, etc......you get the idea.
Did MS make the right decision? Who knows?
BUT, by virtue of his experience level and track record against ours (or until something surfaces, to alter things) Coach has to get the nod....fan hysteria not withstanding.
There [B]IS[/B] a reason he gets 49m to do this and we don't?[/quote]

You have some valid points...but I for one believe it is in every fans right to question a coaches decision. I do not subscribe to the "blind faith" philosophy, that just because an employee has had past success that they can do no wrong going forward...he was, after all, fired by the same team he had all this success with. I can't think of another HC that got fired by the same team that he led to 2 Superbowl victories.

And the Denver FO has more experience than all of us too.

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with the way our offense was playing, did anyone realistically think a mcnabb led redskins offense was going to put 6?

the subsitution took me by surprise but given just how bad we looked going into that series, i was thinking why not try it.

i dont see the big deal or the big picture with this. players have bad days, bad matchups, etc. mcnabb and the skins werent moving the ball with consistency.

i would have liked to have seen mcnabb run a true 2 min offense thoo, but i dont think the substitution changed the outcome. i think we still wouldnt have scored but i would have liked to seen mcnabb get his chance. the guy can plod through a game looking mediocre then make a big, maybe game winning play.

if i need 1 big play, i might pick mcnabb over manning or brady for that one play.

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[quote=skinsnut;754917]You have some valid points...but I for one believe it is in every fans right to question a coaches decision. [B]I do not subscribe to the "blind faith" philosophy, that just because an employee has had past success that they can do no wrong going forward[/B]...he was, after all, fired by the same team he had all this success with. I can't think of another HC that got fired by the same team that he led to 2 Superbowl victories.

And the Denver FO has more experience than all of us too.[/quote]

Nor do I. The point is MS is a professional NFL Head Coach with 2......TWO SB's under his belt.
Much ridiculous BS has been bandied about regarding the motivation and subsequent correctness of benching of one...DM. Until something arises that suggests otherwise....how can the Coach NOT get the benefit of the doubt?

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[quote=SmootSmack;754882]I don't think he should have been benched (thought I don't hate on Grossman quite the way some others do), however, I've watched that final interception a few dozen times now and for the life of me I can't figure out what McNabb was thinking. He says his hand got it, or the ball got tipped, something like that-still, it was hardly enough to account for such a terrible decision there. He telegraphed the play right into triple coverage. That was a horrible play by McNabb. Absolutely horrible[/quote]

it was simply awful. i'd expect that from a rookie, not an 11 year vet.

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Maybe we should pick up Randy Moss to give McNabb a new target now that the Vikings have waived him.

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[quote=scowan;754904]McNabb was probably thinking when Rex got sack/fumbled... "Yep, that's what I've been dealing with all day Rexy." Offensive line play is terrible.[/quote]

You know what nobody has recognized is the Rex mess at the end may have actually humbled Shanny and vindicated DM at the same time. I'm not happy about the loss but I am glad it happened the way it did.

If Rex drives us downfield for a win,
1- DM losses all self confidence as the leader of the Skins.
2- We have a BIGGER QB controversy in the making
3- We are right back to where we were with Campbell. Only it's DM

No thanks!!! After the bye, DM goes back in and all is well.

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[url=http://tinyurl.com/282afp7]Report: Vikings release Randy Moss[/url]

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Why was Moss released??? If this is true, then we need to get all over him. He will help us greatly at WR

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[quote=SolidSnake84;754934]Why was Moss released??? If this is true, then we need to get all over him. He will help us greatly at WR[/quote]

You are correct. Bring him in and release Roydell Williams.

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ohh man i feel a rick roll coming!

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Why would you want to pick up this guy if the Vikings released him? RED FLAG!!!!!

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;754940]Why would you want to pick up this guy if the Vikings released him? RED FLAG!!!!![/quote]

Two words: Joey Galloway.

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[quote=Twilbert07;754941]Two words: Joey Galloway.[/quote]

Terence Austin instead of Galloway, Moss is another drama that this team doesn't need.

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Let's keep the Moss talk in the Moss thread

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[quote=SmootSmack;754949]Let's keep the Moss talk in the Moss thread[/quote]

Sorry. It's my fault. When I saw the news break, I was in this thread and typed it immediately.

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And on the plus side, the R. Moss news effectively has killed this thread.

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I am too lazy to cut and paste all the tweets on MS' press conference, but he really sounds like he stepped in it. Said they haven't practiced 2 minute drill since the Rams game. REALLY?? Asked DM to sit out Detroit game to heal up. REALLY?? wow. those two are shocking statements to me.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;755030]I am too lazy to cut and paste all the tweets on MS' press conference, but he really sounds like he stepped in it. Said they haven't practiced 2 minute drill since the Rams game. REALLY?? Asked DM to sit out Detroit game to heal up. REALLY?? wow. those two are shocking statements to me.[/quote]

Sit out the Detroit game? Wait,that makes no sense? He's so weird.