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shanny's are testing everyone. its not a bad idea they need to be tested at game speed

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John Clayton and Adam S. Have both said McNabb has played his last game as a redskin.. What a cluster ****

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[quote=celts32;769811]We are acting like Donovan won 3 Super Bowls for us. We are benching the QB on a 5-8 team. People are assuming Shanny is done in DC, the team will revolt...it's all nonsense. Shanny is in year 1 of a rebuild. The only legitimate thing on the table today is that maybe McNabb is not coming back next year and we made a bad trade. The rest of this sky is falling stuff is the typical over reaction that happens here in Redskins world.[/quote]


The reaction is due to the fact we wasted a 2nd and 3rd round pick!!!! I am on board with MS....but this has not looked different than the past 10 years in terms of personel moves. The did give him an extention that was built in our favor but we still gave up picks that could have provided youth on this team............and come on .......REX GROSSMAN??????? Im going to the game on sunday and im really upset this is what i paid for

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[quote=Mattyk;769804]I don't think Shanahan is going anywhere, unless we are really determined to keep spinning our wheels, another HC change isn't going to help and will only compound our problems.[/quote]If we cut ties with the Shanahan's at the end of the season, all we've lost is a season and some Snyderbucks. And Vinny Cerrato.

If we continue with this charade, well, then we'll need to start a damage report. I can get on that, if you wish.

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McNabb would probably make evaluation difficult, as his dirt balls and missed checkdowns results in missed player evaluations.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;769816]I have one question -

If McNabb "played himself out of a position" then how the [BLEEP] is Casey Rabach still starting?[/quote]You will refer to him only as "team captain Casey Rabach." Anything else is just disrespectful.

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[quote=GTripp0012;769948]You will refer to him only as "team captain Casey Rabach." Anything else is just disrespectful.[/quote]

Hey, we should post a pic of him in that derailed captains thread.

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[quote=DM72;769880]I just heard DM has been demoted to 3rd string.[/quote]

Yeah I had brought that up earlier. However, Shanny has apparently clarified and said DM is #2 this week and then Beck will be #2 for the last two games of the season.

Grossman is remembered for the sack and TD in the Lions game this year, but really that wasn't his fault. Apart from that he did fairly decent in his limited minutes in the Lions game. I'm not about to label him the next Chase Daniel but if, [I]if[/I], this works and Kyle/Rex get this offense rolling...that will be something

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[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/12/wilbon_hopes_redskins_cut_mcna.html]D.C. Sports Bog - Wilbon hopes Redskins cut McNabb[/url]

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Amazing that today is the one year anniversary of [url=http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/sports/redskins-vp-vinny-cerrato-resigns-121709]this[/url]

And two years ago on this date [url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/17/redskins-great-sammy-baugh-dies/]this happened[/url]

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Please prepare for Jake Locker or Ryan Mallet next year.

[QUOTE]Mel Kiper Jr.
Shanahan could target Locker
"It could be really interesting if one of the top three QBs is still sitting there when the Skins pick, no? I still think they'll take a WR (Justin Blackmon's an option) or trade down at this spot, as their needs are many, depth is light, and they aren't picking in the 3rd or 4th rounds. While Cameron Newton and Ryan Mallett are graded out to go in this area, word had it that coach Mike Shanahan was enamored with Jake Locker last year (when the Redskins had the 4th pick). This year, if he still likes Locker, they could trade down, add a pick, and still get him. He once made a similar move to get Mr. Jay Cutler."[/QUOTE]

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;769950]Hey, we should post a pic of him in that derailed captains thread.[/quote]I admit, I LOL'd.

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[quote=SmootSmack;769952]Yeah I had brought that up earlier. However, [B]Shanny has apparently clarified and said DM is #2 this week and then Beck will be #2 for the last two games of the season.[/B]
Grossman is remembered for the sack and TD in the Lions game this year, but really that wasn't his fault. Apart from that he did fairly decent in his limited minutes in the Lions game. I'm not about to label him the next Chase Daniel but if, [I]if[/I], this works and Kyle/Rex get this offense rolling...that will be something[/quote]

oh ok well that makes sense then :/

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[quote=Longtimefan;769954][url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/12/wilbon_hopes_redskins_cut_mcna.html]D.C. Sports Bog - Wilbon hopes Redskins cut McNabb[/url][/quote]

lol, check out the comments section and that "The Twelve Years since Elway" comment. HILARIOUS.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;769960]lol, check out the comments section and that "The Twelve Years since Elway" comment. HILARIOUS.[/quote]

He took the time to get his facts together. Not exactly what you would call impressive is it? lol

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If we had a good young QB to test drive I'd understand. But Grossman?

Another headscratcher personnel decision at the QB position by Shanahan.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;769957]Please prepare for Jake Locker or Ryan Mallet next year.[/quote]

I'd rather trade up somehow for Luck, or take Newton... I do NOT want Locker, I know that much.

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[quote=Lotus;769963]If we had a good young QB to test drive I'd understand. But Grossman?

Another headscratcher personnel decision at the QB position by Shanahan.[/quote]


There are people who echo what you're saying, people who maintain they would rather see John Beck because we haven't seen him in a real game. We've seen Grossman for several years now and the majority don't seem to be impressed with his abilities as an NFL quarterback.

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[quote=freddyg12;769941]Good observations, things do seem really chaotic, but to try & be positive; it may take more chaos to right this ship (though Shan has to take blame for the trade). I think it's more of Shanahan still getting a grip on this organization & town, not the nfl itself.

This team hasn't had a disciplinarian like Shan since Marty in 01. The coaches since then were more players coaches/nice guys. DS opted not to hire GW who is an outspoken disciplinarian. So he may be an egomaniac, or it may seem so because this team has lacked that kind of authority figure for so long.[/quote]

i really hope he can right the ship, but honestly i don't see how that can happen after this season but ya never know. i just feel in this day and age it takes a different type of coach and a different type of football to win. the game is getting faster by the week and things are constantly changing and you have to make adjustments to adapt.

thus far shanahan has not adjusted anything in a positive way, the offense still can't score and the play calling gets worse every game it seems. i mean if you have a rb who has 150 yards going into half time why would you not continue to run him? if the 3-4 isn't working don't force it use a few more 4-3 formations and slowly make a transition.

it's just hard as a fan to watch this team just keep heading in a downward spiral. a few people have said it and i really think this year was worse than last year. zorn was in over his head and everyone called him out, but now we have shanahan making alot of moves that are just as questionable, but he gets a pass because of two rings. i think after this season it is a wash, he now has no lee-way after what has gone down this year. every move he makes from here on out will be under immense scrutiny and justifiably so.

bottom line is i am just sick and tired of this crap and wish fan boy would sell the team or move to la so we can pull a b-more, because when you want to point the final blame shanahan and his "boy genius" son aren't the ones that i hold ultimatly accountable. snyder has put us in this mess and he is the only one who can get us out. hopfully shanahan works out....

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[quote=Gmanc711;769964]I'd rather trade up somehow for Luck, or take Newton... I do NOT want Locker, I know that much.[/quote]

I don't know that we have the luxury to trade up for Luck. I don't know what to feel about Newton. I don't think he fits this offense. But I'm telling you for 8 months now the name I constantly hear brought up is Jake Locker. That could all change of course but it really does seem to be the guy targeted by the Skins. I like him but I'm not gung ho on him. I think he may be a bit overrated.

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[quote=Longtimefan;769965]There are people who echo what you're saying, people who maintain they would rather see John Beck because we haven't seen him in a real game. We've seen Grossman for several years now and the majority don't seem to be impressed with his abilities as an NFL quarterback.[/quote]

Grossman won me a fantasy football title damnit!!!

One guy is impressed with Grossman's abilities...and his dad is the head coach.

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[quote=SmootSmack;769967]I don't know that we have the luxury to trade up for Luck. I don't know what to feel about Newton. I don't think he fits this offense. But I'm telling you for 8 months now the name I constantly hear brought up is Jake Locker. That could all change of course but it really does seem to be the guy targeted by the Skins. I like him but I'm not gung ho on him. I think he may be a bit overrated.[/quote]Locker is the low-efficiency player that fits our current offensive style. And if we're picking at 11-14, we might not be able to do better than the guy who best fits our system.

But I'm with you: Ponder 100/100 times over Locker. I think Devlin's pretty good too, but he seems to fit a strictly west coast short-to-long system. I'll be trying to watch him tomorrow to get a better idea on Devlin.

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[quote=SmootSmack;769955]Amazing that today is the one year anniversary of [url=http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/sports/redskins-vp-vinny-cerrato-resigns-121709]this[/url]

And two years ago on this date [url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/17/redskins-great-sammy-baugh-dies/]this happened[/url][/quote]


Good Stuff SS....The photograph of Sammy Baugh is the way players outfitted when I first started watching the game. Think they would have anything to say about the kind of hits players take today? Hell, they didn't even wear face-mask's in those days.

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But can you imagine if we changed coaches after 2011 and then had a second year Locker coming off a dreadful, mistake-prone rookie season? You couldn't find a coach at the professional level who'd be willing to take on that mess.

Steve Sarkisian in 2012! Because someone has to do it!

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[quote=GTripp0012;769970]Locker is the low-efficiency player that fits our current offensive style. And if we're picking at 11-14, we might not be able to do better than the guy who best fits our system.

But I'm with you: Ponder 100/100 times over Locker. I think Devlin's pretty good too, but he seems to fit a strictly west coast short-to-long system. I'll be trying to watch him tomorrow to get a better idea on Devlin.[/quote]

Yeah Devlin's ok, people seem to like Gabbert too. I think that's his name, from Mizzou.

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So PTI just said Kyle doesn't get along with McNabb?? Now the truth is starting to come out.

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[quote=SmootSmack;769975]Yeah Devlin's ok, people seem to like Gabbert too. I think that's his name, from Mizzou.[/quote]

I've watched Gabbert alot this season and he's a solid player but nothing special IMO

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[quote=SmootSmack;769975]Yeah Devlin's ok, people seem to like Gabbert too. I think that's his name, from Mizzou.[/quote]I like Gabbert a lot. I think either he, or Nick Foles, is going to probably come out when Andrew Luck decides to stick it out at Stanford and try to win next year.

Luck, I think, is the unanimous #1 pick if he comes out, but I forsee Carolina passing on a QB when he doesn't, and trying to win with a second year Jimmy Clausen.

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I'd take Foles over Gabbert

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i think gabbert is overrated personally.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;769977]So PTI just said Kyle doesn't get along with McNabb?? Now the truth is starting to come out.[/quote]

Old news that PTI (I'm guessing it was Tony) has said before. Not that they don't get along, but Kyle has had issue with McNabb's mechanics, namely his footwork, since pre-season.

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Would you guys take Kyle Orton(Free Agent) or Kevin Kolb(unlikely) and then draft someone like J.Jones or J.Blackmon? Both of those guys are still pretty young and Orton has had 2 pretty good seasons back to back.

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[quote=SmootSmack;769985]Old news that PTI (I'm guessing it was Tony) has said before. Not that they don't get along, but Kyle has had issue with McNabb's mechanics, namely his footwork, since pre-season.[/quote]

Yea and Mike basically said Mike Shanahan should and could be fired LOL

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[quote=skinsfaninok;769983]I'd take Foles over Gabbert[/quote]I probably would too, if they were both available. I doubt they'll both be available. I think it's more like, once Andrew Luck makes an announcement to stay, one or the other might think (or be advised) "hey, you could be a top ten pick now with a good combine performance." And one may come out.

Luck, Mallett, Newton, Foles, and Gabbert are the first round skill sets who are underclassmen. I think Newton is going to be a competent starter at the next level, but if you're looking for a franchise guy (Mark Sanchez, Jason Campbell, Vince Young, Chad Henne, Carson Palmer, etc), look elsewhere. I'd be willing to hitch my wagon to any of the other four at the right price.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/17/time-to-quiet-the-mcnabb-to-arizona-speculation-before-it-starts/]Time to quiet the McNabb-to-Arizona speculation before it starts | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;769960]lol, check out the comments section and that "The Twelve Years since Elway" comment. HILARIOUS.[/quote]

[url=http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBsQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Farticles%2F546129-memo-to-washington-redskins-mike-shanahan-donovan-mcnabb-is-not-john-elway&ei=P-sLTfTcIoP_8AaanrXKDQ&usg=AFQjCNGtaL5Y7tNs4NTKyFlc7wC-kd2cXg&sig2=NHqb59lvgKRK9Z2x0AtZVw]Donovan McNabb Is Not John Elway: A Memo To Washington Redskins' Mike Shanahan | Bleacher Report[/url]

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[quote=GTripp0012;769990]Luck, Mallett, Newton, Foles, and Gabbert are the first round skill sets who are underclassmen.[/quote]And for the record, every last one of these guys would look better in 2012 than in 2011. But if any of them (and I think Mallett and Newton will for sure) come out this year, we have to evaluate them in the context of what they've done to that point, not how they would have done if they stayed.

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They keep saying on the news how Shanahan wasn't happy with how McNabb had picked up his offense which is obviously true and I'm sure he could have done better but it just seems to me that Shanahan seems a little to set in his ways as far as scheme's go. I mean if it takes nothing short of a 9 time pro bowler, all decade QB, maybe the greatest passer of all time to fully grasp your system, maybe you need to dumb it down a little so that your every day, run of the mill 6 time pro bowler can figure it out and perform. And I don't care which defense we run, a 4-3, a 3-4, each can be just as effective but why would you choose the one that then needs an entire personnel change. Plenty of teams win super bowls in a 4-3. Just kind of seems like common sense. It would be a lot easier to rebuild an offense with an already strong defense and vice versus. Just a thought.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;769728]McNabb has played like hell all year long. Like Shit most of the time. If Shanahan really is trying to change the team, then we have to accept that McNabb would eventually be benched due to his poor play this season. Shanahan needs to put the best product on the field.

Leaving McNabb in no matter how bad he played would be something the previous regime would do. Look at all those years Campbell stunk it up and nobody ever considered if a QB switch would do anything.

Lets give this move a chance before preaching doom and gloom....[/quote]

Are you serious? McNabb is [b]2nd[/b] in the NFC in passing yards. How you can say that he's played like sh*t? The entire team has played like sh*t, there's nothing a QB can do when there's a severe lacking in playmakers.

I can't imagine someone telling a RB, you're having a terrible year, despite him being second in the NFC rushing. Telling a LB he sucks, despite him being second in the NFC in tackles, or telling a passrusher he sucks despite him being # 2 in the NFC in sacks. This is a team game, Shannahan is looking for a scapegoat, looks like that mission is accomplished.

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Fck all the other QBs...I want Kellen Moore! I would seriously draft him #1 overall! And if we are talking future QB selection then I'd like to have Aaron Murray for Georgia.