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[quote=SkinzWin;771547]Hell, I'd even say look into Montana, Marino, Elway or Young if you are going that direction :cheeky-sm[/quote]

You are right. The only QB that will work is Elway, so let's get him some Sketchers and HGH, and he should be ready for camp.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;771539]Cowher? Lol you know something we dont? JK I'm pretty sure Coughlin will be back in NY, I mean why fire him? The guy wins 10 games every season it seems like.

Yea some say Schuab could be that surprise trade in the offseason.. I doubt they trade him honestly but I think we could look at it.[/quote]

Schuab is a good quarterback, we would be seriously lucky to have him.

Yeah the ole Cowher rumours, Houston being one of the 3 his agent states he would be interested in...showing really no class considering all of those places have head coaches there. Guess he's mad his phone not ringing like it was last year.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;771509]I've always liked Moore BUT he doesn't play against the best talent every week, that's a big deal.. I still think he's better than guys like Ponder and Nick Foles.[/quote]

you're right he doesn't play against the best talent week in and week out but its not like hes playing aginst bums. these guys were good enough to play D1 ball too...

anyone can drop into a cover 3 or any other defensive play which requires no talent at all. i dont think you can use the "talent" thing as a huge knock on moore because his strongest points (preperation and reading) are not effected by talent which would be moore's arm vs. the defenders coverage & athleticism. (not to say his arm is a weak point... he is deadly accurate too and can get it downfield)

i'd be inclined to start a vet like rexy and pick up moore as a project next year... hes a damn good project to have. he's facing Utah in his bowl game and their top pro prospect is a corner so we'll see how he does tonight.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;771539]Cowher? Lol you know something we dont? JK I'm pretty sure Coughlin will be back in NY, [B]I mean why fire him? The guy wins 10 games every season it seems like. [/B]

Yea some say Schuab could be that surprise trade in the offseason.. I doubt they trade him honestly but I think we could look at it.[/quote]

Because it's NY and it doesn't take much to get on their hot seat. If that loss last week sends them into a late season stumble and they get bounced from the playoffs early, Coughlin could definitely get canned.

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I say we give Houston our 1st, 2nd and next years 1st for Schaub, Johnson and Mario Williams. I am sure they would do that. Right? Right????
:cheeky-sm

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[quote=Kindoy;771568]you're right he doesn't play against the best talent week in and week out but its not like hes playing aginst bums. these guys were good enough to play D1 ball too...

anyone can drop into a cover 3 or any other defensive play which requires no talent at all. i dont think you can use the "talent" thing as a huge knock on moore because his strongest points (preperation and reading) are not effected by talent which would be moore's arm vs. the defenders coverage & athleticism. (not to say his arm is a weak point... he is deadly accurate too and can get it downfield)

i'd be inclined to start a vet like rexy and pick up moore as a project next year... hes a damn good project to have. he's facing Utah in his bowl game and their top pro prospect is a corner so we'll see how he does tonight.[/quote]

Moore looks like a good fit for the Skins offense. He doesn't seem to have a cannon arm, but I think that's often overated. He's not that tall is he? He would be a good late round pick.

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Houston would be seriously stupid if they gave up Matt Schaub.

On a side note, I could see Aaron Rodgers getting fed up with Green Bay if they keep bringing him back into the starting lineup quickly after concussions. If so, bring HIM to Washington!

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[quote=skinsguy;771613]Houston would be seriously stupid if they gave up Matt Schaub.

On a side note, I could see Aaron Rodgers getting fed up with Green Bay if they keep bringing him back into the starting lineup quickly after concussions. If so, bring HIM to Washington![/quote]

LOL keep dreaming

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I think McNabb is done here.he will be traded or released.Grossman and Beck will be here in the off season.the first round pick in the 2011 draft should be a QB like Ryan Mallett,Jake Locker or Nick Foles.all these guys are big and have rocket arms.if the rookie is ready,he should start.:food-smil

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[quote=skinsfaninok;771614]LOL keep dreaming[/quote]

Oh it will never happen.....same for wanting Schaub.

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[quote=skinsguy;771622]Oh it will never happen.....same for wanting Schaub.[/quote]

Yea but it sure would be nice :food-smil

Oh well we will find OUR Franchise QB soon [SIZE=1]I HOPE[/SIZE]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;771623]Yea but it sure would be nice :food-smil

Oh well we will find OUR Franchise QB soon [SIZE=1]I HOPE[/SIZE][/quote]

It is the most important position on the field so we need to get it right THIS time after missing 4 times (Ramsey, Brunell, Campbell, McNabb) since 2000. Pathetic really that we have missed that many times but history is history.

Unless Rex completely craps the bed these next 2 games, I can't see a scenario where he isn't the opening day starter next season with a 1st round pick QB behind him. I don't watch much CFB but from what I've seen I am not really sold on Locker or Ponder, as I said earlier in this thread they both seem Shuler-ish to me.. The Boise kid is intriguing but seems too small, slow, weak armed for the NFL-but I could be wrong... Other than being 6'7 I don't know anything about Mallet and I get the feeling that Newton is Vince Young without the emotional problems but with a used car dealer smile.

I guess that's a long way of saying I have no clue who will be a good fit for us but I'm sure one of them will be holding up a jersey next to Mike and Kyle in April.

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[quote=Paintrain;771640]It is the most important position on the field so we need to get it right THIS time after missing 4 times (Ramsey, Brunell, Campbell, McNabb) since 2000. Pathetic really that we have missed that many times but history is history.

Unless Rex completely craps the bed these next 2 games, I can't see a scenario where he isn't the opening day starter next season with a 1st round pick QB behind him. I don't watch much CFB but from what I've seen I am not really sold on Locker or Ponder, as I said earlier in this thread they both seem Shuler-ish to me.. The Boise kid is intriguing but seems too small, slow, weak armed for the NFL-but I could be wrong... Other than being 6'7 I don't know anything about Mallet and I get the feeling that Newton is Vince Young without the emotional problems but with a used car dealer smile.

I guess that's a long way of saying I have no clue who will be a good fit for us but I'm sure one of them will be holding up a jersey next to Mike and Kyle in April.[/quote]


Moore isn't weak armed. Everytime I have watched this guy he throws 60 yard bombs and that is 60 yards in the air. Other than that I think you are right on.

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I don't see a 1st round qb being drafted. Depending on the last two games, I think Rex is the starter and Beck the project.

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[quote=rypper11;771648]I don't see a 1st round qb being drafted. Depending on the last two games, I think Rex is the starter and Beck the project.[/quote]

IMO outside of Luck, I dont see a first round talent

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I dont see John Beck as a "Project" he's like 28 years old..

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sure moore doesnt have a cannon arm but thats if you compare him to peyton manning or something... his arm is above average in my eyes. and yeah hes short and slow but so is drew brees. in fact, moore reminds me of brees alot with the accuracy and all.

i'd make moore a priority to pick up, maybe using a 5th or even a 4th on him.

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[url=http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-falcons-blog/2010/12/16/ex-nfl-scout-auburns-cam-newton-is-not-a-first-round-draft-pick/?cxntfid=blogs_atlanta_falcons_blog]Ex-NFL scout: Cam Newton is not a 1st round draft pick | Atlanta Falcons[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;771725][url=http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-falcons-blog/2010/12/16/ex-nfl-scout-auburns-cam-newton-is-not-a-first-round-draft-pick/?cxntfid=blogs_atlanta_falcons_blog]Ex-NFL scout: Cam Newton is not a 1st round draft pick | Atlanta Falcons[/url][/quote]

I hope that's not true. Not that I want him but I would sure like an insurance policy to tempt teams picking ahead of us. Then again he is a spread QB with only 1 year of starting experience.

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I'm watching College Football Live right now. They just sold me on wanting to draft Kellen Moore. He got the Boise State play book off the internet and had it memorized BEFORE he went to school there. They said he was teaching OLinemen where to go when he first got there. He is a film rat and his processing and ability to read defenses is faster than just about anyone. Sounds like a Peyton Manning-esque kind of player to me. I am going to be pulling for Shanny to draft him now. I am officially starting the Kellen Moore Mob. Whose with me?

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[quote=skinsfan57;771618]I think McNabb is done here.he will be traded or released.Grossman and Beck will be here in the off season.the first round pick in the 2011 draft should be a QB like Ryan Mallett,Jake Locker or[B] Nick Foles[/B].all these guys are big and have rocket arms.if the rookie is ready,he should start.[/quote]

[url=http://www.azcentral.com/sports/ua/articles/2010/12/17/20101217arizona-wildcats-nick-foles.html]Nick Foles plans to return to Arizona Wildcats in 2011[/url]

Well at least you listed a potential first round pick unlike some other people around here (*Cough* Kellen Moore *Cough*)

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[quote=Dirtbag359;771734][url=http://www.azcentral.com/sports/ua/articles/2010/12/17/20101217arizona-wildcats-nick-foles.html]Nick Foles plans to return to Arizona Wildcats in 2011[/url]

Well at least you listed a potential first round pick unlike some other people around here (*Cough* Kellen Moore *Cough*)[/quote]

That's a dirty move Dirtbag. Well the way I see it, everything else we have done to try and find a franchise QB has failed. What do you have against him?

Sincerely, KMM :cheeky-sm

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Per Shanahan, McNabb is either a liar or even dumber than we all thought (no 2nd overtime?). However, he has an opportunity to compete for a backup job in 2011.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/donovan-mcnabb/shanahan-would-welcome-mcnabb.html#more]Redskins Insider - Shanahan would welcome McNabb as a backup next year[/url]

You know, after the Haynesworth fiasco, i honestly think Shanahan would pay 17MM to keep McNabb as a backup in 2011 if no one meets our trade demands.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;771762]Per Shanahan, McNabb is either a liar or even dumber than we all thought (no 2nd overtime?). However, he has an opportunity to compete for a backup job in 2011.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/donovan-mcnabb/shanahan-would-welcome-mcnabb.html#more]Redskins Insider - Shanahan would welcome McNabb as a backup next year[/url]

You know, after the Haynesworth fiasco, i honestly think Shanahan would pay 17MM to keep McNabb as a backup in 2011 if no one meets our trade demands.[/quote]

Scary but true.:eek:

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It's classic he said/she said BS that goes on anytime a relationship is on the rocks.

If there's a cap next year, I don't think it makes much sense to keep him as a backup at that figure.

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[quote=SkinzWin;771736]That's a dirty move Dirtbag. Well the way I see it, everything else we have done to try and find a franchise QB has failed. What do you have against him?

Sincerely, KMM :cheeky-sm[/quote]

If I avoided dirty moves I would never win, kind of like Kellen Moore throwing directly into tight windows.

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;771762]Per Shanahan, McNabb is either a liar or even dumber than we all thought (no 2nd overtime?). However, he has an opportunity to compete for a backup job in 2011.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/donovan-mcnabb/shanahan-would-welcome-mcnabb.html#more]Redskins Insider - Shanahan would welcome McNabb as a backup next year[/url]

You know, after the Haynesworth fiasco, i honestly think Shanahan would pay 17MM to keep McNabb as a backup in 2011 if no one meets our trade demands.[/quote]

Certainly would have enough cap space to afford it.

• RB Clinton Portis: -$5,645,500
• LB London Fletcher: -$4,900,000
• QB Donovan McNabb: -$4,750,000
• CB DeAngelo Hall: -$4,400,000
• DT Albert Haynesworth: -$3,400,000
• C Casey Rabach: -$3,000,000
• NT Ma'ake Kemoeatu: -$2,500,000
• OG Derrick Dockery: -$1,565,000
• DE Adam Carriker: -$1,420,000
• OG Artis Hicks: -$1,400,000
• DE Phillip Daniels: -$1,250,000
• DE Vonnie Holliday: -$1,250,000
• TE Fred Davis: -$555,000
• DE Andre Carter: $2,909,998

Carriker, Davis, Fletcher, and Hall are all but guranteed to come back. Ma'ake and God forbid Rabach are probably coming back. Still the cuts would come on top of a projected $30 million of cap space.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;771766]If I avoided dirty moves I would never win, kind of like Kellen Moore throwing directly into tight windows.

He must be too bad at seeing as he has over 70 TDs and 8 INTs in two years...

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[quote=Mattyk;771765]It's classic he said/she said BS that goes on anytime a relationship is on the rocks.

If there's a cap next year, I don't think it makes much sense to keep him as a backup at that figure.[/quote]

Assuming we could afford it, i'd say keep him as a backup, atleast through the preseason. At some point, a QB would get hurt and come begging for McNabb.

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[quote=SkinzWin;771767]

He must be too bad at seeing as he has over 70 TDs and 8 INTs in two years...[/quote]

Back in 2005 I had a friend that told me I was stupid when I said that Jason White would probably be a late second day pick. White had won a Heisman while throwing for 75 TD's and 7,000 yards the previous two years against Big XII competition. White went undrafted.

Back in 2003 I was a wide eye kid that couldn't understand why one of my favorite QB's Ken Dorsey wasn't going to be a first round pick. He had 76 TD passes, a national championship, and a 38-2 record as a starter. Dorsey was a 7th round pick.

Colt Brenanan in his final two years, playing against the same programs as Kellen Moore threw 96 TD passes.

I have no problem drafting Moore next year as a late round project. However making him Plan A and anointing him as our QB of the future is just insane.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;771776]Back in 2005 I had a friend that told me I was stupid when I said that Jason White would probably be a late second day pick. White had won a Heisman while throwing for 75 TD's and 7,000 yards the previous two years against Big XII competition. White went undrafted.

Back in 2003 I was a wide eye kid that couldn't understand why one of my favorite QB's Ken Dorsey wasn't going to be a first round pick. He had 76 TD passes, a national championship, and a 38-2 record as a starter. Dorsey was a 7th round pick.

Colt Brenanan in his final two years, playing against the same programs as Kellen Moore threw 96 TD passes.

I have no problem drafting Moore next year as a late round project. However making him Plan A and anointing him as our QB of the future is just insane.[/quote]

So? Throw all the stats at me you want. None of those scrubs are Kellen Moore! Therefore your argument is invalid. lol

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[quote=SkinzWin;771780]So? Throw all the stats at me you want. None of those scrubs are Kellen Moore! Therefore your argument is invalid. lol[/quote]

Damnit you bastard you threw stats at me. Don't throw stats at me like Kellen Moore on a long windup and go after me for throwing stats. You bastard, trying to use my own dirty tactics against me. I'm going to PM the mods to have you banned for infinity billion years.

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marc bulger,very accurate and cheap..dont be suprised if hes on our roster next year

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[quote=schndr_tdd;771797]marc bulger,very accurate and cheap..dont be suprised if hes on our roster next year[/quote]

Agree he is accurate and will be cheap.

He is also fragile - - and if the OL is not dramatically improved I don't think Bulger can last thru many actual games.

I would bring him here if I also had confidence that the 2011 OL would be WAAAY better than the 2010 and/or 2009 OLs...

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[quote=Dirtbag359;771782]Damnit you bastard you threw stats at me. Don't throw stats at me like Kellen Moore on a long windup and go after me for throwing stats. You bastard, trying to use my own dirty tactics against me. I'm going to PM the mods to have you banned for infinity billion years.[/quote]

You only used bastard twice. Don't say things if you don't really mean them. It could hurt someone's feelings if they are delicate. Like Mark Bulger's body is.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;771100]I voted Locker, as Smoot keeps saying the shannys dig him alot. Hopefully, this will be the final year we have a draft pick this high in the 1st round, so this is the ideal time to draft a franchise QB.Right now, i'm assuming we have a draft pick no lower than 7, and, if we took a qb that high in the draft, he'd be expected to start opening day.

Although Rex seems like the safe pick, I also think he's in a position to make him the #1 FA QB available. That said, I don't think any team will break the bank for him, so if we want to, we should be able to resign him.

Personally, i think we should trade whatever we have to to get Luck. Seriously, the dudes going to be one of the best QBs ever. I'd trade our 1st and 2nd this year, plus our 1st rounders the next two years to move up 5-6 spots to get him.[/quote]

Will you people stop saying trade. We get hosed on trades unless we trade and get more picks. We have no business trying to trade up for any player in the draft. We do not have a 3rd pick this coming draft.

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Our QB form the 2011 season will be, who knows. Look right now we know it takes a QB a couple of years to get comfortable most offensive schemes. I still believe McNabb can do better in this offense in his 2nd year. I also believe we need a QB for the future and Rex maybe the opening starter until our drafted QB is ready to play. McNabb will not be back unless he takes a pay cut and getss on board with both Shannys.

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I voted for McNabb. Im hoping Rex's carrer can be revived here, but Im not betting on it. Even if McNabb is lazy or isn’t smart enough to make a concerted effort to learn a new system at this stage in his career, a second year and a additional off season should make him better. If we cant trade him, id like to keep him around as our number 2, even if it does create a respect issue. Not sure how possible that would be given his contract though.

Also Ryan Perrilloux is still a guy im hoping the Redskins give a shot, I think if he really has his priorities in order he could be a starter in this league.

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The redskins are bizarre...McNabb invite as a backup after trading for him after 13 games?
Nuts....most say it takes 2 years to grasp a system...I think they are just fed up due to fundamentals more than anything.

I just don't see how the skins can afford to gamble a first rounder on a qb with so few quality picks remaining.
I'd say it is far more likely that we will try to get the top free agent...anyone know who that is?...and dont say Grossman!

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@skinsnut. Yes Kyle orton

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I feel we should do what it takes to build through the draft, not FA's. We need to stop trading our picks away, and start using the picks do build our team. I like the idea of trying to get a guy like Hankerson from the U as our potential #1 WR or a top o lineman and spending the rest of our draft on our interior offensive line and look for either a quality FS or a rush LB. I'm just not sure that there is a legit Franchise qb in this draft outside of Luck and that all depends on if he declares or not, which he'd be crazy not to considering at this point, he has to be considered the consensus #1 pick in the draft. I don't think I'd be too upset with the drafting of Locker if we do enough to improve our line to protect him. With that in mind, keeping Grossman around for another year or two wouldn't be a bad idea.