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Keep in mind this draft is generally weaker then last years class due to the fact that more players came out early in hopes of avoiding the rookie salary cap as well as getting a year in before the Lockout. This year free agency is where teams will find the most talent.

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Unfortunatly you have to have a willing partner who wants to trade with you. So the next question is what do you see as a major need for NE and will there be a player at #10 that they just have to have or he goes to another team or rival?

The problem is I just don't think NE has ever been panick stricken enough to want to throw away draft picks like that. Usually they are the ones trading away 1 pick for a ton. So although I like the theory a heck of a lot I just don't see NE doing something like that unless they are extremely hard pressed, which is why I'm asking what position they have a drastic needed player for?

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[quote=SBXVII;776052]Unfortunatly you have to have a willing partner who wants to trade with you. So the next question is what do you see as a major need for NE and will there be a player at #10 that they just have to have or he goes to another team or rival?

The problem is I just don't think NE has ever been panick stricken enough to want to throw away draft picks like that. Usually they are the ones trading away 1 pick for a ton. So although I like the theory a heck of a lot I just don't see NE doing something like that unless they are extremely hard pressed, which is why I'm asking what position they have a drastic needed player for?[/quote]

I don't think they are hard pressed with their record and the way they've been playing. Darth Hoodie must have sold his soul to the devil because he could find talent in a cesspool at the bottom of a dumpster.

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If the Redskins finished in last place in the NFC East, how do the Cowboys get the number nine pick?

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[quote=Manusky91;776062]If the Redskins finished in last place in the NFC East, how do the Cowboys get the number nine pick?[/quote]

Here we go again. Strength of schedule. Both are 6-10, then they look at all the teams played by both (ie; teams both played), then they look at the teams strength of the opponants of which were not played by both teams. Due to the 4 opponants Dallas played who's strengths were better then the 4 teams the Skins played Dallas gets the #9 spot.

Basically Dallas won by like .5 of a point or something like that.

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thanks.

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[quote=SBXVII;775977]^ and before I get blasted....

I know Luck did come out after the half and threw several TD's and won the game. [B]That does show he is capable of making adjustments and over coming diversity.[/B] I'm just saying Dalton showed 4 quarters of poise. Am I biased towards Dalton maybe. I was simply trying to see what college games was on flipping channels and watched the game. I came away impressed with him. I hadn't even heard of him until I watched the game and when I decided to talk about him on the message boards I found several message boards already had threads about him.[/quote]

Hmm, I don't remember an all white team taking the field the second half..

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[quote=Manusky91;776067]thanks.[/quote]

I think Mooby explained it best.....

[quote]Well it's something you kind of can't see coming. Each schedule is predetermined after the regular season ends each year. Every team plays 6 divisional games, 1 out of conference division (for us an AFC division), one in conference division, and the final 2 opponents are in conference opponents determined by where you finished in the division.

We played the same 14 teams as they did, including us/them twice, and their final 2 games were first place teams from the two NFC divisions that we don't play this year, which were New Orleans and Arizona, while we played the Bucs and St. Louis, because they both finished last in their division last year. Since the NFC East played the NFC North division this year, that means the two opponents we played would be from the NFC West and South divisions.

That's why we had the harder strength of schedule, because both the Bucs and St. Louis became pretty good teams this year while the Cardinals hugely regressed and the Saints regressed slightly. [/quote]

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[quote=Redskin Jim;776068]Hmm, I don't remember an all white team taking the field the second half..[/quote]

LOL, sorry I meant to say ... over came difficulties he might have been having during that game. or whatever. lol. Sorry.

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[quote=SBXVII;776076]LOL, sorry I meant to say ... over came difficulties he might have been having during that game. or whatever. lol. Sorry.[/quote]

Haha, just pulling your leg man. Adversity ; )

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[quote=Manusky91;776062]If the Redskins finished in last place in the NFC East, how do the Cowboys get the number nine pick?[/quote]

It's better that way. Dallas has completely different needs and on top of that I would imagine that we pick ahead of them in the second round.

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[quote=SBXVII;776065]Here we go again. Strength of schedule. Both are 6-10, then they look at all the teams played by both (ie; teams both played), then they look at the teams strength of the opponants of which were not played by both teams. Due to the 4 opponants Dallas played who's strengths were better then the 4 teams the Skins played Dallas gets the #9 spot.

Basically Dallas won by like .5 of a point or something like that.[/quote]

Right, except that its reverse strength of schedule. So teams with tougher schedules pick later, the assumption being if team A has an easier schedule, and ties with team B who has a harder schedule than Team A is the "more bad" team. Thus Dallas had an easier schedule than ours ( the 2 teams different were dallas:arizona(5-11),new orleans(11-5) and skins:St.Louis(7-9),Tampa bay(10-6)), so by 1 combined win our SOS was harder than Dallas'. if it had been tied it would have been done by coin flip.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;776081]It's better that way. Dallas has completely different needs and on top of that I would imagine that we pick ahead of them in the second round.[/quote]

That's a very good point.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;776081]It's better that way. Dallas has completely different needs and on top of that I would imagine that we pick ahead of them in the second round.[/quote]We'll pick behind them in the 2nd. We move up one pick per round in rounds 1-4, then we drop seven picks deeper in round five and move up one pick in the sixth and seventh rounds.

The one round we pick ahead of Dallas is the 4th. Or more specifically, Philly picks ahead of Dallas in that round.

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Will Mark Ingram RB Alabama be their for us in the 2nd round and if so do we grab him?

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[quote=warpaint;776139]Will Mark Ingram RB Alabama be their for us in the 2nd round and if so do we grab him?[/quote]

Possibly, but I doubt it. I wouldn't

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[quote=SmootSmack;776145]Possibly, but I doubt it. I wouldn't[/quote]

I think we have wayy too many holes to worry about drafting a running back in the second round. Not like he'd be there though. And with Shanny's history of plucking a RB out of the latter rounds if we do get one I'd think we'd use a late round pick on him.

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[quote=mooby;776146]I think we have wayy too many holes to worry about drafting a running back in the second round. Not like he'd be there though. And with Shanny's history of plucking a RB out of the latter rounds if we do get one I'd think we'd use a late round pick on him.[/quote]

Agreed, and I'd also add that the Shanahans have developed the same ability to develop diamonds in rough at receiver. However even I'll admit that I'm intrigued by guys like Blackmon, Green, and Baldwin at Receiver. Especially if a guy like Baldwin was available in the second round.

However I think it's safe to say that one of the first two picks needs to be a guy that can play among the front 5 on defense and I'm all but sure that no one early in this draft is ready to step in at nose tackle, at least in terms of the traditional mold (ie if any of these early round prospects were to play nose they would have to work on gaining a good 20 to 30 pounds)

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[quote=mooby;776146]I think we have wayy too many holes to worry about drafting a running back in the second round. Not like he'd be there though. And with Shanny's history of plucking a RB out of the latter rounds if we do get one I'd think we'd use a late round pick on him.[/quote]

agreed. Unless we pick up some extra picks, our 5th rounder would be the earliest we'd take a rb I would think. I actually don't think the rb depth is that shabby compared to some other positions. I really would like to see CP stay for a reduced rate, Torain keeps healthy & Williams & Davis make the roster or PS too. In 2012 get a rb of the future in the early rounds.

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[quote=Mattyk;775963]I think you might be overrating coaching just a bit. I might put it more like 25%. Some guys just aren't going to make it at this level no matter what.

There are rarely ideal situations for players. Coaches and systems come and go, having a guy like Peyton Manning play in one offense his entire career is not the norm. And with a guy like PM, he probably would have still thrived if he had played in a few different systems.

Talent and the drive to succeed trump coaching in my opinion.[/quote]

Youre probably right, but 25% is still a huge number. To adequately get adjusted, i think we give locker time. I think Mallett would be okay to start from the get-go but i dont know if he will ultimately end up better.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;776081]It's better that way. Dallas has completely different needs and on top of that I would imagine that we pick ahead of them in the second round.[/quote]

Unfortunately we don't have a second rounder unless you know something I don't know...

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;776177]Unfortunately we don't have a second rounder unless you know something I don't know...[/quote]

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[quote=Dirtbag359;776179]????????????????????????????[/quote]

Indeed.

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Yes we do have a 2nd we gave up a 2 last year for mcnabb not this years..

Although I see us giving up our 2nd for Orton after we draft Pouncey in the first rd :)

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Dont we have Oaklands 2nd round pick for Campbell? Or is it the 3rd?

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[quote=Skins fan 44;776184]Dont we have Oaklands 2nd round pick for Campbell? Or is it the 3rd?[/quote]

we get next years 4th round for Campbell

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I would draft Cameron Newton.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;776180]Indeed.[/quote]

He's either a time traveler from the past or the future. I'm hoping the past.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;776192]He's either a time traveler from the past or the future. I'm hoping the past.[/quote]

I am a traveler of both time and space

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[quote=redskins5044;776187]we get next years 4th round for Campbell[/quote]

I guess that is better then nothing. Why would we agree to get a draft pick 2 years after we traded him?

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Guys, by the 10th pick, all the good QB's will be gone.. I strongly thing we need to stick to that pick and get Robert Quinn or Daquan Bowers if he drops to help our Defense line.. we were ranked 31st in the league guys on Defense and i'm not sure how bad our sack numbers were this year..Jake is going to be a major bust if we draft him like a Colt Brennan..we gotta stick to Defense because even if we get a QB we're still hurting big time on D and next year we can maybe get Luck or another stud QB now that these teams don't need a QB.. Reverse psychology! :D Rd1 DE/OLB Rd2: O-line/WR rd3 maybe we can find a stud qb no one knows about.. I mean c'mon if bellichick can do it and find brady in round 6?? wth why cant shanaman do it?? We need proven players who will make immediate impact for our team.. Qb's are very risky and dangerous. I just don't feel comfortable pickin a QB at 10.. if we're talkin top 5 picks then diff story but..idk.. Grossman wasn't that bad.. idk what u guys think??

QUINN??? ORAKPO?? Quinn is suppose to be the next D-Ware.. I really think he can rock and him and orakpo will just smush opposing QB's

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I jus hate waiting all this time and seeing us get destroyed every season because one side of the ball OFFENSE or DEFENSE can't stick it to the opposing teams.. Its like if the O does good the D does bad... if the D does good O does bad.. We need one side to be real strong while the other just hangs in and we strengthen it through FA (WR/Oline/RB)

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I say we draft Mallett if he falls to us. He IMO is the best QB in this years draft, and is as good as Andrew Luck.

However I say him and all the other good QB's will be gone by the time we pick. We need to draft lines, yes, but you have to factor in us getting guys in free agency. That said I feel that after free agency is all said and done, we trade down and draft an OLineman like pouncey or rodney hudson. Than get a RB, like a Mark Ingram.

I feel like we will get in FA a WR like Vincent Jackson. At least one starting caliber OLineman. And I think we could go hard after Ike Taylor the solid corner from Pittsburgh.

Cameron Hayward and JJ Watt are other possibilities for us in the first round.

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[quote=DiehardSkiNfan;776200]Guys, by the 10th pick, all the good QB's will be gone..[/quote]

Mine and other folks on the board [B]sleeper[/B] (now that Luck won't come out) can be had in the 3rd or 4th round. I really like this kid better than the guys in the 1st round.

[url=http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=66871&draftyear=2011&genpos=qb]Andy Dalton | TCU, QB : 2011 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile[/url]

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[quote=Bucket;776042]I believe NE has 2 2nd round picks correct? So we would obtain their 2 2nd round picks, and their 3rd... How is that not value?

Maybe I made a typo on my original comment. I'm to lazy to go back a few pages and check though..[/quote]

I like the idea of trading back as well.

Just thought you were leaving out a second 2nd round pick for no apparent reason.

Three good picks for the #10 overall makes much more sense.

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[quote=Bucket;776042]I believe NE has 2 2nd round picks correct? So we would obtain their 2 2nd round picks, and their 3rd... How is that not value[/quote]

I don't know if the want to pay for 3X 1st round picks, but you never know.

[B]This is the list of the Patriots draft picks going into the 2011 NFL Draft:

1st Round – #17 (OAK – Richard Seymour)
1st Round – #32*
2nd Round – #33 (CAR – 2010 3rd Round)
2nd Round – #64*
3rd Round – #74 (MIN – Randy Moss)
3rd Round – #96*
4th Round
5th Round
6th Round (NO – David Thomas)[/B]

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[quote=wilsowilso;776204]I like the idea of trading back as well.

Just thought you were leaving out a second 2nd round pick for no apparent reason.

Three good picks for the #10 overall makes much more sense.[/quote]

I would like scenario where we drop to the middle/bottom of the first round and pick up Pouncey.

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Yeah.. I would love for Pouncey to be our first round pick. Just having the image of a real stud in the middle of our line who doesn't get pushed 3 yards into the backfield into our RB's face, or stepping on our QB's feet..

It would be ideal.

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[quote=Bucket;776207]Yeah.. [B]I would love for Pouncey to be our first round pick. [/B]Just having the image of a real stud in the middle of our line who doesn't get pushed 3 yards into the backfield into our RB's face, or stepping on our QB's feet..

It would be ideal.[/quote]

[quote]A pipe dream is a fantastic hope or plan that is generally regarded as being nearly impossible to achieve, originating in the 19th century as an allusion to the dreams experienced by smokers of opium pipes.
[/quote]

Sorry I had a real response hammered out about how combined with the great free agent class and Shanahan not drafting a guard or Center before round 3 since Lennie Friedman in 1999. However the pipe dream thing seemed like more fun, even if it was at the expense of making myself look like a total ass :D

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[quote=Bucket;776207]Yeah.. I would love for Pouncey to be our first round pick. Just having the image of a real stud in the middle of our line who doesn't get pushed 3 yards into the backfield into our RB's face, or stepping on our QB's feet..

It would be ideal.[/quote]

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