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[quote=Monkeydad;838206]Watch it again. 2 Giants fell to the ground like they were shot (possible in NJ).

The LB #57 Williams looked over and saw Grant was on the ground too and immediately got back up.

If you're not embarrassed by that...wow.

Those two, plus Boley should be getting some fines this week.[/quote]

....maybe they should spit at the ref .....that's much better,that's class.:spank:

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[quote=Giantone;838210]LOL...right.NFL conduct,.....what is NFL......conduct?[/quote]

Is it too much to ask that they keep in REAL on the field?

This isn't PRO Wrestling.

It's called NFL football.

Respect the game.

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[quote=wilsowilso;838216]Is it too much to ask that they keep in REAL on the field?

This isn't PRO Wrestling.

It's called NFL football.

Respect the game.[/quote]

Giantone is the latest apprentice of Darth Hoody. Soon, he'll be emailing Coughlin about taping Redskins practices to get payback for that opening day loss. ;)

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[quote=Bucket;838212]lol... If a Redskin defender did this, we would have a thread about kicking him from the team most likely.

.[/quote]

Best post of the day!!! 5000 of you would be saying what a heads up play it was.:laughing2

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[quote=Giantone;838218]Best post of the day!!! 5000 of you would be saying what a heads up play it was.:laughing2[/quote]

Guess we will never know, because like I said.. We didn't need to do that against your "offense"

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[quote=wilsowilso;838216]Is it too much to ask that they keep in REAL on the field?

This isn't PRO Wrestling.

It's called NFL football.

Respect the game.[/quote]


Agreed ,have you ever seen a punter when he's barely been hit, to draw a penilty....he......EMBELLISHES....to draw attention or even a penilty to the other team, is he really hurt ....nope.

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[quote=Bucket;838221]Guess we will never know, because like I said.. We didn't need to do that against your "offense"[/quote]

Did'nt say you did,you guys are the ones upset,not me.

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[quote=Giantone;838224]Did'nt say you did,you guys are the ones upset,not me.[/quote]

I'm not upset.. How could I be? We are 2-0, and Eli is talking about another mans package, and the Giants are falling down faking injuries because the Rams are marching down the field on them.

How could that make me upset? I think it's wonderful!!!!

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[quote=Monkeydad;838123][IMG]http://boston.3432.voxcdn.com/files/2011/09/BOLEYCAMERAMAN1.gif[/IMG][/quote]

WTF????????????? I hope he at least apologized for that crap!! What a punk move!

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[quote=Giantone;838223]Agreed ,have you ever seen a punter when he's barely been hit, to draw a penilty....he......EMBELLISHES....to draw attention or even a penilty to the other team, is he really hurt ....nope.[/quote]

dont be a fool, this isn't an embellishment, it's a straight up lie.

Personally I don't even care, I found it both funny and lame (i.e. not smart, or a good idea)

and p.s. your Giants didn't invent the move, it's been done before and it's always been embarrassing.

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Didn't see it happen but, if it did, they should be penalized. The players fined and the team either fined or forfiet a draft pick. B. Ryan's teams were famous for it and it is why they instituted the rule that a stoppage for injury in the last two minutes costs you a time out.

The rules allow stoppages for "injured players" not [I]fake[/I] injured players:

"TIMING: ... 4. The Referee will allow necessary time to attend to an injured player, or repair a legal player's equipment."
[url=http://www.angelfire.com/ia3/coltsnflrules/4.htm#twominutedrill]NFL Rules[/url]

Inside the last two minutes, you get one extra "mulligan" for an injured player but after that, you are penalized 5 yards for clock stoppages caused by injuries.

"TIMING IN THE LAST TWO MINUTES: ... 2. A team cannot buy an excess time out for a penalty. However, a fourth time out is allowed without penalty for an injured player, who must be removed immediately. A fifth time out or more is allowed for an injury and a five-yard penalty is assessed if the clock was running. Additionally, if the clock was running and the score is tied or the team in possession is losing, the ball cannot be put in play for at least 10 seconds on the fourth or more time out. The half or game can end while those 10 seconds are run off on the clock."
[url=http://www.angelfire.com/ia3/coltsnflrules/4.htm#twominutedrill]NFL Rules[/url]

Faking an injury to stop the is not the same as the quarterback running the clock down or the ref dropping the ball. In the first case, the play is permitted and explicitly allowed by the rules:

"TIMING: ... 6. Time between plays will be 40 seconds from the end of a given play until the snap of the ball for the next play, or a 25-second interval after certain administrative stoppages and game delays."
[url=http://www.angelfire.com/ia3/coltsnflrules/4.htm#twominutedrill]NFL Rules[/url]

Teams may use less than the 40 allotted seconds but they are not permitted to use more and are penalized for doing so. As to the ref dropping the ball, it's an unintentional act by an non-participant in the game and is not an attempt to gain an unfair competitive advantage by one side or the other.

At a minimun, faking an injury to stop the clock or give your team a breather - being a deceitful act to gain an unfair competitive advantage in the game - should be an unsportsmanlike conduct foul with a resultant 15 yard penalty if caught in game.

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[quote=Giantone;838193]So what is the difference of maybe not getting off another player when the play is over to run off time,maybe the ball rolls away from the ref....anything to take time away from the other team,clock management.:goodjob:[/quote]

Well to be honest the player who sits on the opponent trying to kill time or rolls the ball away from the ref can get hit with a delay of game and penalized yards. Maybe that's how the refs should look at players faking injuries (ie; good plays by Giants fans).

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[SIZE="7"]Hey guys! How about those [COLOR="Red"]Redskins[/COLOR]!![/SIZE]

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[quote=SBXVII;838232]Well to be honest the player who sits on the opponent trying to kill time or rolls the ball away from the ref can get hit with a delay of game and penalized yards. Maybe that's how the refs should look at players faking injuries (ie; good plays by Giants fans).[/quote]

I like that. If the ref judges that you are faking, a five yard penalty is applied. That would help to cut down on faking.

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[quote=Lotus;838235]I like that. If the ref judges that you are faking, a five yard penalty is applied. That would help to cut down on faking.[/quote]

Wait...are we still talking about football here?

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[quote=SmootSmack;838236]Wait...are we still talking about football here?[/quote]

Love to hear the ref's description of that one, "He was...giving her the business."

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[quote=Mattyk;838138][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/20/league-could-fine-for-faking-injuries-if-it-could-be-proven/]League could fine for faking injuries if it could be proven | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

A close friend of mine who watches European Club Soccer says that diving seems like it's being carded more then ever. I guess the tolerance for these kinds of tactics are being cracked down across the sports world.

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[quote=Bucket;838226]I'm not upset.. How could I be? We are 2-0,![/quote]

...why yes, yes you are.

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[quote=SmootSmack;838236]Wait...are we still talking about football here?[/quote]


noooooooooooope.

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[quote=GreekSkin;838229]dont be a fool, this isn't an embellishment, it's a straight up lie.

Personally I don't even care, I found it both funny and lame (i.e. not smart, or a good idea)

and p.s. your Giants didn't invent the move, it's been done before and it's always been embarrassing.[/quote]

Name calling....nice.So you're a Doctor....so you know if it was cramps, or a stinger?
Still haven't answerd about the punter but hey that's ok,you can't.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;838241]A close friend of mine who watches European Club Soccer says that diving seems like it's being carded more then ever. I guess the tolerance for these kinds of tactics are being cracked down across the sports world.[/quote]

This is very true. I watch plenty European Soccer and soccer in general. It's frowned upon by fans, refs, and finally by coaches.

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[quote=GreekSkin;838248]This is very true. I watch plenty European Soccer and soccer in general. It's frowned upon by fans, refs, and finally by coaches.[/quote]

LOL.......:offtopic::bs:

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[quote=Giantone;838247]Name calling....nice.So you're a Doctor....so you know if it was cramps, or a stinger?
Still haven't answerd about the punter but hey that's ok,you can't.[/quote]

I did answer the punter thing. There is a big difference between embellishment and a straight up lie.

TWO of your players hit the ground and once one one saw the other was down as well he popped up? Do you seriously believe there was a real injury at that point??

Btw I said don't be a fool, it's not name calling unless you choose to be one.

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[quote=Giantone;838249]LOL.......:offtopic::bs:[/quote]

it's off-topic and bs? or off-topic bs? I was just elaborating on a point someone else made...

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[quote=Mattyk;838138][URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/20/league-could-fine-for-faking-injuries-if-it-could-be-proven/"]League could fine for faking injuries if it could be proven | ProFootballTalk[/URL][/quote]
If the league fines players for faking being tired , the patriots might not have to pay big Albert this season :) . I don't see the ref's flagging this during games , however the league should fine teams ( maybe take draft picks ) , if it is done on several occasions during the season .

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Please dont talk about soccer, it makes my roids act up.

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In other news, looks like Carlos Rogers is being....well....Carlos Rogers. Except now, the new and improved Carlos bounces INTs off his head as well as his hands.


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:doh:

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LOL about Rogers , I did hear that it was Rogers hit that put Romo down ?

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[quote=budw38;838278]LOL about Rogers , I did hear that it was Rogers hit that put Romo down ?[/quote]

Yeah, and he choked by getting burnt by some Jesse Holle dude. Thank god we don't have him anymore so that he'll bite on a few MORE double moves on Monday Night.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;838285]Yeah, and he choked by getting burnt by some Jesse Holle dude. Thank god we don't have him anymore so that he'll bite on a few MORE double moves on Monday Night.[/quote]

Actually it was Whitner who had the deep coverage and got beaten by Holley.

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[quote=Lotus;838286]Actually it was Whitner who had the deep coverage and got beaten by Holley.[/quote]

I believe they both were responsible. They both fell for the play fake. Carlos was absolutely frozen, and of course, Michael Irvin's reality show boy finally produces for the Pukes.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBC-KMKxtQY]Jesse Holley 77 yd catch & celebration - YouTube[/ame]

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The video looks like Carlos had run contain, and the Safety was supposed to be overtop, and the Safety jumped hard on the run. Hard to say what Carlos' responsibility was from that video.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;838285]Yeah, and he choked by getting burnt by some Jesse Holle dude. Thank god we don't have him anymore so that he'll bite on a few MORE double moves on Monday Night.[/quote]

Nope, as much as people want Rogers to fail it wasn't his fault. He actually had a pretty good game and did some hitting, just ask Witten and Romo.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8226c540/article/dolphins-sign-dl-olshansky-cb-jones-to-shore-up-defense?module=HP11_headline_stack]NFL.com news: Dolphins sign DL Olshansky, CB Jones to shore up defense[/url]

Larry Johnson didn't last long.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;838291]The video looks like Carlos had run contain, and the Safety was supposed to be overtop, and the Safety jumped hard on the run. Hard to say what Carlos' responsibility was from that video.[/quote]

Assuming the play was symmetrical, the corner on the bottom of the screen was covering the other Dallas WR.

Never mind, 'Los ADMITS IT.

[url=http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2011/09/inside-the-49ers/carlos-rogers-takes-the-blame-for-77-yard-completion-in-ot/]Carlos Rogers takes the blame for 77-yard completion in OT - Inside the 49ers[/url]

[quote]SAN FRANCISCO – On the Cowboys first offensive play in overtime, Romo faked a handoff, looked downfield and noticed a wide open Jesse Holley sprinting down the middle of the field. There were zero Niners defenders near him. Where were they?

After the game, Carlos Rogers explained the breakdown, saying he was at fault. Here’s what he said.

Q: What was the breakdown on that last play in Overtime?

ROGERS: We were in a cover 4. I need to stay deep. They ran the play action towards me. Donte had it right to go down – I needed to be staying deep.
[/quote]

[quote=SFREDSKIN]Nope, as much as people want Rogers to fail it wasn't his fault. He actually had a pretty good game and did some hitting, just ask Witten and Romo. [/quote]
Ahem, you were saying what again?

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[url=http://blogs.mercurynews.com/49ers/2011/09/18/brooks-breaks-romos-rib-whitnerrogers-whiff-on-key-play/]Brooks breaks Romo’s rib, Whitner/Rogers whiff on key play | 49ers Hot Read[/url]

By the way, Ahmad Brooks (Perry Brooks son) is the one who broke Romo's rib. Despite Rogers getting burned ( I guess I was wrong) he still had a pretty good game.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;838301][url=http://blogs.mercurynews.com/49ers/2011/09/18/brooks-breaks-romos-rib-whitnerrogers-whiff-on-key-play/]Brooks breaks Romo’s rib, Whitner/Rogers whiff on key play | 49ers Hot Read[/url]

By the way, Ahmad Brooks (Perry Brooks son) is the one who broke Romo's rib. Despite Rogers getting burned ( I guess I was wrong) he still had a pretty good game.[/quote]

I never said he didn't. Choking requires only one bad play. I'd have said he had a bad game if he actually had a bunch of bad plays. Since I didn't watch the game, I cannot evaluate his complete performance.

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[quote=NC_Skins;838275]In other news, looks like Carlos Rogers is being....well....Carlos Rogers. Except now, the new and improved Carlos bounces INTs off his head as well as his hands

:doh:[/quote]
Has anyone else noticed that dropped Int's are the worse possible thing that can happen on defense. I have no idea what it is about them but it seems to me every time a defense drops an Interception the best they can hope for afterwards is only giving up a third or fourth down conversion. I've observed this phenomenon all the way down to the high school level.

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Disappointment seeks in after dropping a PICK.. that has a lot to do w it

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Not that you guys might care or have not heard but NFL Network basically said they contacted the league and unless it can be proven a player is faking injury nothing can be done.

So..... I thought it would be interesting if every team the Giants play from here on out has someone faint or fall out with muscle cramps on every play. Especially if they are moving the ball well.