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for comparison, and cause it's one of the things I can remember happily about the game, here is one of the ones from MNF. (i can't believe we didn't recover any of these :()

[IMG]http://instntrply.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/RomoAgain2.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=Bucket;841825]How would you know what his assignment was? Looked to me like a 0 Blitz, and Kerrigan started to follow the back.. Didn't seem to be in man coverage with the RB..

But I guess we wont ever know.[/quote]I won't be able to review the game this week and haven't re-watched it. But if it's Cover 0, Kerrigan could have had responsibility for the RB to his side. That being said, it's another reason why Cover 0 is the absolute worst call in this situation. The best pass rushers on this team are the OLBs (or DEs in the even front), in 3-21 & protecting a 1 point lead, why in the hell wouldn't you want them in a postion to "pin their ears back" and get after Romo.

Overall Haslett called a good game, but this play was unquestionably a bad playcall I'm sure he'd like to have back....and if he'd make the same playcall again then it's MS's responsibility to dial him back in these situations.

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good article on the 3rd and 21.
[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/sep/27/one-blitz-too-many/?page=all#pagebreak]One blitz too many for Redskins - Washington Times[/url]

we have a very good 3rd down team, I think it was a bad call because I would rather have had everyone doing their "normal" duties. It made it seem desparate. That said, it had worked well twice before as the article states, so maybe you go for it in that situation.

I dont doubt that when SS33 reviews the game, he'll see they made the same play call as they did week 1 when Kerrigan made his interception. On that play Kerrigan was supposed to come in on the blitz but noticed the Giants, on 3rd and 11, audible to a rocket screen to the RB. Kerrigan saw that and dropped back into coverage to make the play. On Monday night, it seems he wrongly assumed the same thing would happen.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;841871]good article on the 3rd and 21.
[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/sep/27/one-blitz-too-many/?page=all#pagebreak]One blitz too many for Redskins - Washington Times[/url]

we have a very good 3rd down team, I think it was a bad call because I would rather have had everyone doing their "normal" duties. It made it seem desparate. That said, it had worked well twice before as the article states, so maybe you go for it in that situation.[/quote]

But why take such a huge gamble when you are only up by 1 point? If it is any other situation, I can understand the call and the logic of keep doing something that is working.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;841863]for comparison, and cause it's one of the things I can remember happily about the game, here is one of the ones from MNF. (i can't believe we didn't recover any of these :()

[IMG]http://instntrply.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/RomoAgain2.gif[/IMG][/quote]

If I have any time this weekend I'd really love to stitch together a reel of all of these moments (you know, times when all his pathetic teammates fail the great field general) and set it to the "Benny Hill" theme music.

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[quote=Ruhskins;841874]But why take such a huge gamble when you are only up by 1 point? If it is any other situation, I can understand the call and the logic of keep doing something that is working.[/quote]

I agree. a lot of that game was lost due to good strategy used at the wrong time. 3rd and 21, you let your D do what it has been doing, it's worked well.

same thing with the 2nd series after our touchdown, since the quick strike didn't work, we should have, imo, gone to a ground game that seemed to be making strides.

Losses just are no fun:(.

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I had no problem with blitzing on 3rd and 21, as Shanahan said Romo made a play and got it done. If we had sat back and given him all day to throw, we'd be sitting here wondering why we didn't keep blitzing when it was working so well prior to that.

Sometimes the other team makes a play, you can't win them all.

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btw this was Romo's first non TD game in 20 straight

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This "you let your D do what it's doing" principle is superseded by the "don't let your opponent know what you are doing" principle. Considering that he called the SAME play twice in a row already, you DO NOT do it a third time. If the opponent knows what you play is, they'll find a way to beat. Not only that, BEATING A cover-0 means BIG PLAY almost every time.

Also, playing prevent USUALLY results in a dumpoff to the back. He could have called an overload blitz to one side, a zone blitz. An all-out cover-0 blitz was NOT necessary.

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[quote=Bucket;841815]Anyone else think that Cooley looked slow, and not the usual slow where he breaks 100 tackles. I'm talking about slow slow after the catch he just looked like he didn't have any gas in the tank?[/quote]

Yes, I did. He's still getting over his injuries I suppose. Unfortunately, it is the NFL and as much as we all like Cooley it's a business. Next year might be very questionable for CC.

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I hope CC ends his Career in WSH, I love that guy

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[quote=redsk1;841982]Yes, I did. He's still getting over his injuries I suppose. Unfortunately, it is the NFL and as much as we all like Cooley it's a business. Next year might be very questionable for CC.[/quote]

I don't know what his future holds, but I don't think he should be running the ball on 3rd and short. I'm still scratching my head at the two attempts he had in Monday night's game.

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According to Casserly, next year Cooley will be a big cap hit. I hope he restructures and stays with the team. He still has a lot to offer and he's the kind of team player we want. Nothing wrong with having two quality TE's. If Davis were to go down...then what? When they're both on the field, I think if they're used properly and Cooley's healthy, it can cause problems for the defense.

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I hope he stays man, I just like that dude and his attitude NTM he's a great player maybe getting older but still

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[quote=53Fan;841989]According to Casserly, next year Cooley will be a big cap hit. I hope he restructures and stays with the team. He still has a lot to offer and he's the kind of team player we want. Nothing wrong with having two quality TE's. If Davis were to go down...then what? When they're both on the field, I think if they're used properly and Cooley's healthy, it can cause problems for the defense.[/quote]

Yeah, I dont see CC leaving the team. I see him restructuring to stay with the team. Monday night showed his versitility again...Shanny loves that type of stuff.

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Maybe he will stay as just an HBACK?

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;841967][B]This "you let your D do what it's doing" principle is superseded by the "don't let your opponent know what you are doing" principle. Considering that he called the SAME play twice in a row already, you DO NOT do it a third time[/B]. If the opponent knows what you play is, they'll find a way to beat. Not only that, BEATING A cover-0 means BIG PLAY almost every time.

Also, playing prevent USUALLY results in a dumpoff to the back. He could have called an overload blitz to one side, a zone blitz. An all-out cover-0 blitz was NOT necessary.[/quote]Agree 100%. The coaches across the field get paid too and they're going to figure it out....obviously.

Calling the same play 3 times in a row on a critical drive is pretty bush-league IMO.

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[quote=Defensewins;841194]Crash landing back to reality. Grossman is not and should not be a professional athlete. Orakpo, drink your damn gatorade you.....
We lost to a very injured and weakened Dallas team. Their center has premature snap. Four times! Embarrassing. How did we lose that game?[/quote]

Simple... Grossman

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;842006]Agree 100%. The coaches across the field get paid too and they're going to figure it out....obviously.

Calling the same play 3 times in a row on a critical drive is pretty bush-league IMO.[/quote]


Gibbs called the same running playing in time after time with Riggins and company, basically saying to the other team you have not showed me you can stop it so I will keep shoving it down your throat.

Same on Monday night the Skins had run 0 coverage 2 times with great success, so in their minds they were saying you Dallas have shown you can't stop it so we will do it again. Romo beat them on it on the third go around it happens but it was still the best bet choice at the time.

The D was definitely not the bad guy Monday night.

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[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/09/28/11/Redskins-Bowen-unloads-on-Dallas-center/landing.html?blockID=568872&feedID=9656]Redskins' Bowen unloads on Dallas center[/url]

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[quote=mredskins;842019]Gibbs called the same running playing in time after time with Riggins and company, basically saying to the other team you have not showed me you can stop it so I will keep shoving it down your throat.

Same on Monday night the Skins had run 0 coverage 2 times with great success, so in their minds they were saying you Dallas have shown you can't stop it so we will do it again. Romo beat them on it on the third go around it happens but it was still the best bet choice at the time.

The D was definitely not the bad guy Monday night.[/quote]Totally different scenario with the "Riggo Drill" and totally different results. Goes back to previous statements I've made about "situational playcalling".

And no, it was not the D's fault we lost, or even that call from Haslett. But I maintain it was a terrible defensive playcall. On 3rd and 21 and protecting a 1 point lead a high risk/high reward playcall....that you have called on two previous plays...isn't necessary and isn't the correct call. Why are you going to leave your 5'10" corner on an island against a 6'2", 220lb WR who is just as athletic or more athletic...when you don't need to? Why not have some help (zone or at a minimum C1)? What if Romo hits Bryant on a slant and Hall misses the tackle, same result.

Folks can defend the playcall until they're blue in the face, but it was the wrong call.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;842046]Totally different scenario with the "Riggo Drill" and totally different results. Goes back to previous statements I've made about "situational playcalling".

And no, it was not the D's fault we lost, or even that call from Haslett. But I maintain it was a terrible defensive playcall. On 3rd and 21 and protecting a 1 point lead a high risk/high reward playcall....that you have called on two previous plays...isn't necessary and isn't the correct call. Why are you going to leave your 5'10" corner on an island against a 6'2", 220lb WR who is just as athletic or more athletic...when you don't need to? Why not have some help (zone or at a minimum C1)? What if Romo hits Bryant on a slant and Hall misses the tackle, same result.

Folks can defend the playcall until they're blue in the face, but it was the wrong call.[/quote]

It's the wrong call because it didn't work. If it works, we think it was the best call. I think it's wrong to judge every play call by whether it works or doesn't work because their coaches on the other side who are getting paid to try and out smart you like you are them and then you have players who are executing the play calls.

Cowboys blocked perfectly on that. Tony did a good job rolling out. Hall did not execute by staying on top of the route. Dez caught the pass. Think there is a lot more factors.

If they only rushed four and Tony picked up the 1st, then everyone would be saying "why not send more people when it's 3rd and 21? Then they have to do a quick pass?"

Let's not forget their players on the field too.

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[quote=dgack;841784]A google news search for "snap count penalty" shows that Hasselbeck claims the Titans were doing it against him, and the only other reference I could find was Brian Billick doing a lot of bitching and moaning about the Jets doing it to the Ravens in '07.

If we were caught doing this in this decade, I couldn't find any evidence of it.[/quote]

well that doesnt mean anything.I did a quick search and found this

According to Section 3 of the NFL rulebook, such tactics are illegal and can result in a 15-yard penalty. In 2003, Redskins linebacker Antonio Pierce was flagged for the violation when the Cowboys were attempting a field goal in a 21-14 victory.

Is that the game I remember and time just flew by,IDK,could be,I thought it had been more recent

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I can tell you the Cowboys C isn't getting any sympathy from former players here.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;841999]Maybe he will stay as just an HBACK?[/quote]

I mean for me the story on Monday wasn't so much CC vs. Davis. It's that with our starting FB (Young) out, instead of going to the proven veteran FB in Sellers we went to Cooley. Sellers has to be on the short list of potential cuts once Buchanon is ready to return

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Mike hasn't played much is he really that bad now? I always likes him

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[quote=Bushead;842066]It's the wrong call because it didn't work. If it works, we think it was the best call. I think it's wrong to judge every play call by whether it works or doesn't work because their coaches on the other side who are getting paid to try and out smart you like you are them and then you have players who are executing the play calls.

Cowboys blocked perfectly on that. Tony did a good job rolling out. Hall did not execute by staying on top of the route. Dez caught the pass. Think there is a lot more factors.

If they only rushed four and Tony picked up the 1st, then everyone would be saying "why not send more people when it's 3rd and 21? Then they have to do a quick pass?"

Let's not forget their players on the field too.[/quote]

It is much easier to stop something if you know what is coming. If I showed my hand in poker, it's a loss for me unless my hand is a "perfect" one. If bin Laden told us where he was ****ing hiding, he would have been killed long time ago. The same ****ing shit applies to football. And don't tell me we have the "god-like" personnel that can run through people as if they didn't have mass, because they sure ****ing did.

Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on you. Fool me three times? **** you, I'm roasting your ass.

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[quote=Bushead;842066]It's the wrong call because it didn't work. If it works, we think it was the best call. I think it's wrong to judge every play call by whether it works or doesn't work because their coaches on the other side who are getting paid to try and out smart you like you are them and then you have players who are executing the play calls.[/quote]No, it's the wrong call because it was the wrong call. If it worked, I'm sure many would've called it a great playcall. I would've still said it was a bad playcall and we were fortunate to get away with it.

[quote]Cowboys blocked perfectly on that. Tony did a good job rolling out. Hall did not execute by staying on top of the route. Dez caught the pass. Think there is a lot more factors.[/quote]The Cowturds blocked it perfrectly because they had seen it at least four other times in the game and on the two previous plays. Granted Hall could've played it better, but you're putting the guy on an island for no reason. The situation did not warrant or need the risk, plain and simple.

[quote]If they only rushed four and Tony picked up the 1st, then everyone would be saying "why not send more people when it's 3rd and 21? Then they have to do a quick pass?"[/quote]If we only rushed four and played 7 in coverage the chance of them picking up the 3 & 21 would've been a lot less....but had they picked it up it would've likely been missed tackles, a blown coverage, or the Cowturd player just making a fantastic play. All those things would be mistakes made by the players, either physical or mental, or just a great play by Dallass and we'd have to live with it.

[quote]Let's not forget their players on the field too.[/quote]Coaching in football is soooo much more important than any other sport. The coaches are as important as the players. The job of the coaches is to maximize the players' talents and minimize/hide their weaknesses. In this situation Haslett did a poor job. If Kerrigan had a coverage responsibility that is not maximizing his push rushing talent. Putting D. Hall on an island against a bigger, stronger, and very athletic WR is not minimizing his size disadvantage and his tendency to blow coverages, particularly in space.

As I mentioned earlier, I am by no means blaming the loss on Haslett and/or the D, or this specific play. The D played well in the first half, and above average in the second half. I put this loss on whatever was causing the poor footing for the Skins in the first half, a few OL breakdowns/losing individual battles, KS's playcalling particularly in the 2nd half, and Grossman being who he is, has been, and will continue to be.

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[quote=mooby;841158]Also want to call out red zone offense as well. Even though the Cowboys won the game exclusively by field goals, I still maintain you cannot consistently win games by settling for field goals. Good teams find ways to score touchdowns. We did that in week 1 but this is now two consecutive weeks our red zone offense has not done the job.[/quote]

Hello we did score 1 more TD than the cowgirls. The difference was we blew a fg attempt with the fumbled hold.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;841233]The skins haven't been good in the R.Z in 20 years[/quote]

Our offense has been having trouble scoring points since Norv Turner was fired. Norv sucked as a HC but we did put up points with him.

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Hey Redskins fans lets stop crying, 1 loss 1 game this season. Damn yes it sucks that we let this game get away from us. But thats why you have to play 4 full quaters of football. On the road you cannot let the team hang around. Our defense played a very good game but did give up a few big runs to Felix Jones. I did not like the 3rd and 21 call but I could not understand why Kerrigan stop rushing Romo and dropped back into coverage. WTF was he thinking at that point. Our O-Line did have problems blocking Ware and Jamal Brown got abused a few times. Next years draft RT, and Guard. The Dallas game is over lets get focused on the Rams who have beaten us the last 2 games we have played them. Rex Grossman's numbers were just as good or bad as Romo's numbers after the game. So stop crying about Rex he not a All-Pro but he can get the job done with a team effort. Special teams have to step it up, no more botched FG's.

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[quote=skins89moss;842133]Hey Redskins fans lets stop crying, 1 loss 1 game this season. Damn yes it sucks that we let this game get away from us. But thats why you have to play 4 full quaters of football. On the road you cannot let the team hang around. Our defense played a very good game but did give up a few big runs to Felix Jones. I did not like the 3rd and 21 call but I could not understand why Kerrigan stop rushing Romo and dropped back into coverage. WTF was he thinking at that point. Our O-Line did have problems blocking Ware and Jamal Brown got abused a few times. Next years draft RT, and Guard. The Dallas game is over lets get focused on the Rams who have beaten us the last 2 games we have played them. Rex Grossman's numbers were just as good or bad as Romo's numbers after the game. So stop crying about Rex he not a All-Pro but he can get the job done with a team effort. Special teams have to step it up, no more botched FG's.[/quote]

Kerrigan had to back off to make sure the TE or RB he ran did not slip into the flat and get a HUGE gain a la Derrick Ward 2008.

Skip to 1:30 of the video.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIK4z1YWNLE&feature=player_embedded]livewoody sep27 - YouTube[/ame]

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[quote=skins89moss;842131]Hello we did score 1 more TD than the cowgirls. The difference was we blew a fg attempt with the fumbled hold.[/quote]


That's true. Had that FG attempt not been botched, the 'skins could have won by 1. Funny thing though, I don't hear a lot of bragging coming from the Cowboys fans here at work. I think they know this game was gift wrapped.

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on the video of 3rd and 21, looks like Fletcher went after the RB for a second, and then full speed towards Romo. I didn't realize Romo was 15 yards behind the line of scrimmage, but if Fletcher had gone straight he would have rushed the throw a bit. Just to be clear I'm not knocking Fletcher, overall it was a good play by dallas...

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[quote=skins89moss;842131]Hello we did score 1 more TD than the cowgirls. The difference was we blew a fg attempt with the fumbled hold.[/quote]

You say 1 more touchdown than the Cowboys like it meant we were scoring touchdowns all day. We didn't. We scored one touchdown in 3 actual red zone attempts, and the other field goals were from close enough to the redzone that we should've scored. 1 touchdown a game is not a recipe for success. True, if we had made that field goal it would've changed the game, but at the end of the day, if you score touchdowns, you don't have to settle for field goals. Let's not act like we're some offensive powerhouse in the red zone.

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[quote=skinsguy;842185]That's true. Had that FG attempt not been botched, the 'skins could have won by 1. Funny thing though, [B]I don't hear a lot of bragging coming from the Cowboys fans here at work.[/B] I think they know this game was gift wrapped.[/quote]

I think the way both teams played, there wasn't much to brag about.

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[quote=skinsguy;842185]That's true. Had that FG attempt not been botched, the 'skins could have won by 1. Funny thing though, I don't hear a lot of bragging coming from the Cowboys fans here at work. I think they know this game was gift wrapped.[/quote]

Doesn't matter how they won,they won..."gift wrap"or not".There are plenty of good teams out there but there is always an eliment of luck in anything.I'd rather be lucky then good any day!

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Idk about being lucky then good but I do agree that good teams will catch breaks at times.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;842232]on the video of 3rd and 21, looks like Fletcher went after the RB for a second, and then full speed towards Romo. I didn't realize Romo was 15 yards behind the line of scrimmage, but if Fletcher had gone straight he would have rushed the throw a bit. Just to be clear I'm not knocking Fletcher, overall it was a good play by dallas...[/quote]

kerrigan said they thought they were going to try a screen pass so right after he initially rushed he dropped back . . . he gave a pretty good breakdown of what he was thinking on the play in his postgame interview.

sirclinton - its "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."