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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;854358]EXCELLENT question! Remember how important it was for the QB to be able to hurry up and run the 2-minute offense? Remember how impressed the coaches were with John Beck and the tempo at which he played?

Here are three games in a row where the Redskins have been behind and there has been no semblance of a hurry-up offense. So what happened to the tempo?[/quote]

Yeah the lack of urgency is really maddening.

Re: What's your take on our coaching?
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;854358]EXCELLENT question! Remember how important it was for the QB to be able to hurry up and run the 2-minute offense? Remember how impressed the coaches were with John Beck and the tempo at which he played?

Here are three games in a row where the Redskins have been behind and there has been no semblance of a hurry-up offense. So what happened to the tempo?[/quote]

Maybe only Rex had the cardiovascular endurance to run a hurry up offense.

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[quote=Ruhskins;854361]Maybe only Rex had the cardiovascular endurance to run a hurry up offense.[/quote]

LOL! Good one.

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Come on Kyle Shanahan, I want to see you do this sometime this season...

[url=http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/7172512/dallas-cowboys-d-coordinator-rob-ryan-says-loss-all-me]Dallas Cowboys D-coordinator Rob Ryan says loss is 'all on me' - ESPN Dallas[/url]

I kid of course...or am I? I must say, seeing Dallas get whopped got me through this terrible loss. Although, I am not looking forward to that game against the Iggles later in the season. Bleh.

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[quote=Ruhskins;854383]Come on Kyle Shanahan, I want to see you do this sometime this season...

[url=http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/7172512/dallas-cowboys-d-coordinator-rob-ryan-says-loss-all-me]Dallas Cowboys D-coordinator Rob Ryan says loss is 'all on me' - ESPN Dallas[/url]

I kid of course...or am I? I must say, seeing Dallas get whopped got me through this terrible loss. Although, I am not looking forward to that game against the Iggles later in the season. Bleh.[/quote]

These guys need to learn from Jose Mourinho (coach of Real Madrid) and start saying messed up controversial statements if they really want to take the spotlight off their players after a tough loss. These one line statements saying blame me are starting to go almost unnoticed :D

[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/apr/28/unicef-jose-mourinho-barcelona-real-madrid]Unicef unmoved by José Mourinho's accusations over referees' Barça bias | Football | guardian.co.uk[/url]

[url=http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/real-madrid-coach-jose-mourinho-attacks-uefa-barcelona-and-unicef-after-champions-league-semi-final-at-bernabeu/story-e6frf423-1226046144335]Mourinho 'disgusted to live in this world' | Football - Soccer | Fox Sports[/url]

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Apparently he does all of this to take the attention away from the players after tough losses.

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Rob seems like a stand-up guy at least.

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Speaking of coaching, do you think that Rex Grossman will get the starting job back if Beck has another poor game and the skins lose? I mean why not? The season isn't lost per say just yet, but sometimes QBs respond well after benching and who knows, maybe Rex can go back to the way he was the 1st 3 games!!

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[quote=GMScud]I was never sold on Shanny coming here, and I'm even less sold now than I was the day he was hired.[/quote]

[quote=SmootSmack;854340]Mike Shanahan wasn't my first choice, probably not even my second.[/quote]

Okay, just curious: Who did you guys want? Because I don't remember the choices being that plentiful. And now I'm looking around and wondering who would come here if The Crazies actually got their way and Shanahan either resigned or was fired?

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[quote=SmootSmack;854340] I wish we had gotten a QB this past year. And maybe the lockout impacted that decision not to go for one.[/quote]


Which QB should they have gone after? Young? (didn't want to come here) Hasslebeck? Injured prone QB with 0 experience in the system. You think he would have held up with that line yesterday?


What QB should we have plucked out of the imaginary QB tree? I keep hearing people say this, but if there isn't anything available, and you feel there aren't any QBs worthy of our draft spot, what do you propose he do?


Let's not even forget the whole lockout up till training camp and the ton of holes this team had prior to the draft and still has.

Even if he did draft a QB at our spot, it means we don't get all those extra picks and have even a worse team than what we have now. Imagine that. Also, would you want your rookie QB sitting behind that line in Buffalo? Kid's confidence would have been shattered, if not his arm.

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[quote=Ruhskins;854383]Come on Kyle Shanahan, I want to see you do this sometime this season...

[URL="http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/7172512/dallas-cowboys-d-coordinator-rob-ryan-says-loss-all-me"]Dallas Cowboys D-coordinator Rob Ryan says loss is 'all on me' - ESPN Dallas[/URL]

I kid of course...or am I? I must say, seeing Dallas get whopped got me through this terrible loss. Although, I am not looking forward to that game against the Iggles later in the season. Bleh.[/quote]

Rob Ryan just needs to STFU. I've never seen an assistant coach talk so much. Garrett needs to tell him to put a muzzle on it.

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[quote=IrMitchell;848393]My take is you can't turn a team into a superbowl contender after one off season.[/quote]


Has nothing to do with being a SB contender. This team isn't competing period. It looks in dissarray almost as bad as the Spurrier and Zorn tenures here. We get our proverbial ass kicked by Carolina after a bye week and an extra week to prepare. Then we get shutout in Toronto of all places. You can rebuild and still be a competitive team. Norv was rebuilding also, but remained pretty competitive for the most part. Same with Schotty. Sorry Charlie, but we have seen this scenario a few too many times in the last decade or so. You already have teammates chewing each other out, the fingers are starting to point. Pretty soon the coaching staff loses the lockerroom, etc and you are toast. IF Shanny doesn't rectify the situation he deserves to be thrown out on his keister. This isn't about the W/L column per say anymore, it is about getting a real football team on the field on Sunday.

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[quote=Beemnseven;854482]Okay, just curious: Who did you guys want? Because I don't remember the choices being that plentiful. And now I'm looking around and wondering who would come here if The Crazies actually got their way and Shanahan either resigned or was fired?[/quote]

For me it wasn't who we passed on, it was more that it was just another Snyder-type hire. Bring in another older, flashy re-tread with past accolades... It's just not how winning happens in today's NFL...

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I voted for the Hot Seat, and I can't believe anyone in here wouldn't vote the same. Hot Seat doesn't mean getting fired, it means being held accountable for doing a job. The players are overpaid, but so is Shanny in my opinion. That goes for his entire coaching staff. The team looks in total disarray, being unprepared and at times looking totally lost on the field. That is inexcusable for a guy that is getting such a fat salary. It is almost like a Wall St CEO that gets a fat bonus for letting his company go down the tubes. Yeah, you get a ton of folks that want the CEO to burn in hell, but oh no, don't put the coach on the little ole hot seat. Right now the Shanaplan doesn't exist, and he needs to feel the heat.

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[quote=GMScud;854510]For me it wasn't who we passed on, it was more that it was just another Snyder-type hire. Bring in another older, flashy re-tread with past accolades... It's just not how winning happens in today's NFL...[/quote]

It is all about Snyder and marketing. The guy is a genius. EVen when his teams suck, he can get the fans to keep coming back for more. I agree with your comment for the most part about hiring Shanny in the first place. He needed to court one of the best OCs or DCs in the game, preferably younger, like when they got Norv. A young guy will be all fired up, and eager to win and prove himself. Shanny might just be there to collect a paycheck and get the hell out of town when the shit hits the fan. At this point he is even going to have to throw his son under the bus if he wants to truly retain his position in the not to distant future. I am not so sure he is going to do that. Do you really think Snyder isn't going to notice the empty seats come December if this situation isn't fixed? IF we only win a couple more games this season, but look like a real football team I have no problem keeping him around for his contract, but damn, the team looks in total disarray like it was under Zorn, and you are paying this bum how much? Shanny and co need to be put on the hot seat. They need to be held accountable. This is fast becoming a joke. Strike that, it is a joke, a very bad one.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;854516]It is all about Snyder and marketing. The guy is a genius. EVen when his teams suck, he can get the fans to keep coming back for more. I agree with your comment for the most part about hiring Shanny in the first place. He needed to court one of the best OCs or DCs in the game, preferably younger, like when they got Norv. A young guy will be all fired up, and eager to win and prove himself. Shanny might just be there to collect a paycheck and get the hell out of town when the shit hits the fan. At this point he is even going to have to throw his son under the bus if he wants to truly retain his position in the not to distant future. I am not so sure he is going to do that. Do you really think Snyder isn't going to notice the empty seats come December if this situation isn't fixed? IF we only win a couple more games this season, but look like a real football team I have no problem keeping him around for his contract, but damn, the team looks in total disarray like it was under Zorn, and you are paying this bum how much? Shanny and co need to be put on the hot seat. They need to be held accountable. This is fast becoming a joke. Strike that, it is a joke, a very bad one.[/quote]

As far as Kyle goes- I think if he is as big of a problem as he appears to possibly be right now, you've got wonder if nepotism will end up really hurting this team. The reason I say that is because, if your Daddy fires you, are you ever going to land another impactful job in the NFL? He would forever be the guy who was so bad that his own father kicked him to the curb.... Is Mike really going to do that to his son? I doubt it.

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I agree that is why I voted for the hot seat. Ultimately he is responsible. if KS isn't getting it done with the play calling then he should fire him.... and the same goes with the defense. I hate the 3-4......wish we would switch back to the 4-3.... QB is the top priority that should get addressed along with offense lineman CB & LB. A dominate DL would be nice also.....

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[quote=GMScud;854521]As far as Kyle goes- I think if he is as big of a problem as he appears to possibly be right now, you've got wonder if nepotism will end up really hurting this team. The reason I say that is because, if your Daddy fires you, are you ever going to land another impactful job in the NFL? He would forever be the guy who was so bad that his own father kicked him to the curb.... Is Mike really going to do that to his son? I doubt it.[/quote]

Yeah that is why I think both Shannys will be thrown out as a tandem or more likely leave on there own. This whole thing is Mike getting his big payday and Kyle being groomed for being a HC. The plan isn't going so well there, and Mike has plenty of $$$$$$$$$, so they even might take the money and resign after this year. Spurrier did it. If you don't get an improvement soon they are going to lose the lockerroom, and that is all she wrote.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;854529]Yeah that is why I think both Shannys will be thrown out as a tandem or more likely leave on there own. This whole thing is Mike getting his big payday and Kyle being groomed for being a HC. The plan isn't going so well there, and Mike has plenty of $$$$$$$$$, so they even might take the money and resign after this year. Spurrier did it. If you don't get an improvement soon they are going to lose the lockerroom, and that is all she wrote.[/quote]

Based on gameday performances, especially on offense, it looks like coaches have already lost the locker room to a significant degree. It will be interesting to hear what the players say, as I assume at least a couple/few will start commenting soon. Maybe the decision to bench Rex is part of it although I think Tana was the most vocal in his support of Rex.

...my intuition the family dynamic, nepotism as someone finally said, is the bigger deal. I suspect Kyle has the personality of the wet dish towel...kinda formless and starts to stink after a few days. Players are questioning the whole damn thing.

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Lack of talent is killing us moreso than coaching. OL is ass, and the QB is still adjusting to the speed of the game(and thinks he's Rothelisberger when he isn't), and our WRs either suck or are not yet ready. It's difficult to pin the blame on exactly who is at fault for the bad play results. Only thing I'll say for sure is that Kyle is scared to use screens.

And nepostism? Clinton Portis and Snyder were all luvy duvy and no one cared.

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Listening to Kevin Sheehan and I have to agree. It isn't easy to be patient, but he brings several points to bare.
The most important that the past off-season made much progress as to the squad makeup. Much younger...more talented. BUT it would take at least one more offseason of doing a similar job (to see some good results) of evaluating who we have.....letting some go....seeing what vets need to go,etc.
AND we have like 9 or 10 picks coming, a significant amount of $$ under the cap.
Soooo....we should be able to have a great draft and do some damage in the FA market as well.
Rebuilding is not for the weak........ To many years of Vinnie..

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[quote=Hog1;854570]Listening to Kevin Sheehan and I have to agree. It isn't easy to be patient, but he brings several points to bare.
The most important that the past off-season made much progress as to the squad makeup. Much younger...more talented. BUT it would take at least one more offseason of doing a similar job (to see some good results) of evaluating who we have.....letting some go....seeing what vets need to go,etc.
AND we have like 9 or 10 picks coming, a significant amount of $$ under the cap.
Soooo....we should be able to have a great draft and do some damage in the FA market as well.
Rebuilding is not for the weak........ To many years of Vinnie..[/quote]

I gotta agree with Sheehan. This team is moving in the right direction after too many years of Vinny's bad drafting and a few years of Gibbs giving away draft picks. This mess isnt going to get fixed overnight.

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Hot seat for sure. To me, hot seat doesn't mean he should be canned. But there is a lot going wrong right now and he is under pressure right now. Teams get it done despite injuries. I would also say what we have seen on the field, especially in terms of offense, raises a lot of concerns. Teams that are rebuilding should be able to make a FG.

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"Hot seat" means to me that you are definitely in the running for possibly being fired.

I've never heard of hot seat meaning being held accountable, I mean isn't that pretty much implied for someone who takes any job?

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Well, I look at it from a spectrum perspective. You are accountable from day 1, but when S starts hitting the fan, especially after you have had some impact on the roster (1+ year) the pressure increases. The real "accountability" starts after season one and mid-way into season two, especially with the kind of performances we have had.

For the record, I think Shanny should get another year here. A 4th probably as well, but if things are looking this bad after season 3 too I think you have to consider other options. I hate the setback it causes, but how often are coaches getting full support from the FO with 3-4 years of consecutive losing seasons?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;854120]Right.
And Yellowstone is supposed to become a super volcano one day too.[/quote]

:laughing2

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[quote=Beemnseven;854482]Okay, just curious: Who did you guys want? Because I don't remember the choices being that plentiful. And now I'm looking around and wondering who would come here if The Crazies actually got their way and Shanahan either resigned or was fired?[/quote]

Kyle Shanahan...No actually I really thought Brian Billick was going to be the guy here, though he's not necessarily who I wanted.

I believe I had mostly said Brian Schottenheimer (among some other choices). I know. I know. Someone else who's a no one other than his last name. From what I've observed (get more Jets news and info up here than I do most other teams) I think he's going to be a very good head coach. Has good leadership, organizational skills.

But we got what we got. Let's make the best of it.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;854516]It is all about Snyder and marketing. The guy is a genius. EVen when his teams suck, he can get the fans to keep coming back for more. I agree with your comment for the most part about hiring Shanny in the first place. He needed to court one of the best OCs or DCs in the game, preferably younger, like when they got Norv. A young guy will be all fired up, and eager to win and prove himself. Shanny might just be there to collect a paycheck and get the hell out of town when the shit hits the fan. At this point he is even going to have to throw his son under the bus if he wants to truly retain his position in the not to distant future. I am not so sure he is going to do that. Do you really think Snyder isn't going to notice the empty seats come December if this situation isn't fixed? IF we only win a couple more games this season, but look like a real football team I have no problem keeping him around for his contract, but damn, the team looks in total disarray like it was under Zorn, [B]and you are paying this bum how much?[/B] Shanny and co need to be put on the hot seat. They need to be held accountable. This is fast becoming a joke. Strike that, it is a joke, a very bad one.[/quote]


I believe the number is $7M per...

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;854556]Lack of talent is killing us moreso than coaching. OL is ass, and the QB is still adjusting to the speed of the game(and thinks he's Rothelisberger when he isn't), and our WRs either suck or are not yet ready. It's difficult to pin the blame on exactly who is at fault for the bad play results. Only thing I'll say for sure is that Kyle is scared to use screens.

And nepostism? Clinton Portis and Snyder were all luvy duvy and no one cared.[/quote]


"OL is ass": The OL is very bad; I don't know that I would go quite that far...

"QB is still adjusting to the speed of the game": That is a VERY polite assessment. Neither QB is very good; one of them has been around long enough for us to conclude that he is highly unlikely to develop into a very good QB; the other one is 30 years old with a half-dozen starts in the league all of which turned into losses. I suspect there is more to the problem here than "adjusting to the speed of the game".

"WRs either suck or are not ready": It could be both options are correct here depending on which WR you are focusing on. One BIG question for this team is Mr. Hankerson. Will he become a real NFL caliber WR or is he another Malcom Kelly/Devin Thomas in the making? Thusfar, he has shown precious little on the field.

Oh and since Clinton Portis and Danny Boy are not in the same family, their relationship cannot be called nepotism. Because Mike and Kyle Shanahan are father and son, nepotism is clearly a concept that is open for discussion.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;854633]"OL is ass": The OL is very bad; I don't know that I would go quite that far...

"QB is still adjusting to the speed of the game": That is a VERY polite assessment. Neither QB is very good; one of them has been around long enough for us to conclude that he is highly unlikely to develop into a very good QB; the other one is 30 years old with a half-dozen starts in the league all of which turned into losses. I suspect there is more to the problem here than "adjusting to the speed of the game".

"WRs either suck or are not ready": It could be both options are correct here depending on which WR you are focusing on. One BIG question for this team is Mr. Hankerson. Will he become a real NFL caliber WR or is he another Malcom Kelly/Devin Thomas in the making? Thusfar, he has shown precious little on the field.

Oh and since Clinton Portis and Danny Boy are not in the same family, their relationship cannot be called nepotism. Because Mike and Kyle Shanahan are father and son, nepotism is clearly a concept that is open for discussion.[/quote]

Snap!!!!!!!!!!!

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I think the coaches are doing what they can with what they got. Right we don't have a QB, OL, or any wrs that I view as being a legitimate number one. The defense hasn't been looking good for the last 3 weeks. However, they have been on the field a lot because of how ineffective the offense has been. Have the coaches does a good job? I would say no, but they haven't been as bad as many would like to believe. The problem with this team is that we just don't have a lot talent at key positions. The reality of the situation is if we want to be winner we will have to be patient. It's going to take some time to get all the right people here.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;854556]Lack of talent is killing us moreso than coaching. OL is ass, and the QB is still adjusting to the speed of the game(and thinks he's Rothelisberger when he isn't), and our WRs either suck or are not yet ready. It's difficult to pin the blame on exactly who is at fault for the bad play results. Only thing I'll say for sure is that Kyle is scared to use screens.

And nepostism? Clinton Portis and Snyder were all luvy duvy and no one cared.[/quote]


Lack of talent is a factor CP, but they are still NFL athletes and should be competitve, not looking like almost a HS team at times.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;848369]Well mike came into a cluster **** of a team that went 4-12 let's b real here.. Hes done a very good job of drafting and has the team competitive. I still say this team wins 8/9 games and that's pretty good IMO[/quote]


Chan Gailey came into a total cluster*&^% too, and he has the Bills looking solid. Too bad we got Shanahan instead of Gailey. Shanny turned down the Buffalo job. One has to wonder what would have happened if Snyder went for the less sexy Gailey. As far as the drafting goes, only time will tell. Thus far only Kerrigan is showing any real promise for the 2011 class. Paul and Hankerson probably just need time, but who knows.

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[quote=Landry44;854663]I think the coaches are doing what they can with what they got. Right we don't have a QB, OL, or any wrs that I view as being a legitimate number one. The defense hasn't been looking good for the last 3 weeks. However, they have been on the field a lot because of how ineffective the offense has been. Have the coaches does a good job? I would say no, but they haven't been as bad as many would like to believe. The problem with this team is that we just don't have a lot talent at key positions. The reality of the situation is if we want to be winner we will have to be patient. It's going to take some time to get all the right people here.[/quote]

Minus maybe Gibbs II, you could have said that about any of Norv's teams or even Schotty's team. Ditto for Spurrier and Zorn. Both of the scrub Qbs we have make Tony Banks look like a Pro Bowler. Don't even get me going with comparing them to Frerotte. Damn, they make him look like a true franchise QB.

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[quote=Landry44;854663]I think the coaches are doing what they can with what they got. Right we don't have a QB, OL, or any wrs that I view as being a legitimate number one. The defense hasn't been looking good for the last 3 weeks. However, they have been on the field a lot because of how ineffective the offense has been. Have the coaches does a good job? I would say no, but they haven't been as bad as many would like to believe. The problem with this team is that we just don't have a lot talent at key positions. The reality of the situation is if we want to be winner we will have to be patient. It's going to take some time to get all the right people here.[/quote]

What you are saying is true to a large extent, but that has been the case for the better part of two decades now. Even Gibbs, who had a few core guys to rely on, had talent deficiencies to work with, but still found a way to get into the playoffs. I am all for continuity in the coaching, but get a guy who is young and wants to establish something here, not some overhyped veteran coach with an ulterior motive, who really hasn't proven he is all that. I mean come on, one post Elway playoff victory? The guy was offensively loaded in probably the weakest division in the NFL and only one playoff victory? If Gibbs had that O line and that trio of Rbs, we would have been to the SB at least once more.

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Just so I understand, you're touting Chan Gailey who basically was chased out of Dallas like he had the plague.......AND you are wishing.....him to replace Two time SB winning Coach Mike Shanahan?

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[quote=GusFrerotte;854725]What you are saying is true to a large extent, but that has been the case for the better part of two decades now. Even Gibbs, who had a few core guys to rely on, had talent deficiencies to work with, but still found a way to get into the playoffs. I am all for continuity in the coaching, but get a guy who is young and wants to establish something here, not some overhyped veteran coach with an ulterior motive, who really hasn't proven he is all that. I mean come on, one post Elway playoff victory? The guy was offensively loaded in probably the weakest division in the NFL and only one playoff victory? If Gibbs had that O line and that trio of Rbs, we would have been to the SB at least once more.[/quote]

Gibbs had a fairly decent roster. Portis, Jansen, Samuels, Marcus Washington, Shawn Springs, Randy Thomas, Sean Taylor, Santana Moss...

Our roster, as it stands now, is worse than that.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;854722]Chan Gailey came into a total cluster*&^% too, and he has the Bills looking solid. Too bad we got Shanahan instead of Gailey. Shanny turned down the Buffalo job. One has to wonder what would have happened if Snyder went for the less sexy Gailey. As far as the drafting goes, only time will tell. Thus far only Kerrigan is showing any real promise for the 2011 class. Paul and Hankerson probably just need time, but who knows.[/quote]

Last time I checked, Gailey is not responsible for personnel. Buddy Nix is.

Shanahan suffers from a conflict of interest between his two jobs of HC and VP. Head coaches want to win every year. GMs are more concerned about their long-term future. Shanahan is trying to do both, and hence guys like Stallworth make the roster and the trade for McNabb.

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[quote=Hog1;854726]Just so I understand, you're touting Chan Gailey who basically was chased out of Dallas like he had the plague.......AND you are wishing.....him to replace Two time SB winning Coach Mike Shanahan?[/quote]

I have a lot of respect for both coaches, Gailey and M. Shanahan, but I wouldn't tout the "two time SB winning Coach Mike Shanahan". We don't have the same two time SB winning coach Shanahan. Shanahan had John Elway and after his two SB wins, his team looked very ordinary and at times sub-par.

I was also among the legion of fans who thought "3 time Super Bowl winning coach Joe Gibbs" was going to take us back to the SB the second time he was here. Much love for Coach Gibbs, but he was not the same guy the second time around, and how could he be. I think Shanahan is in the same boat. Gibbs I had a very talented core of players to work with. Gibbs II, not so much. I do think that Gibbs II had a more talented team that Shanahan has right now. And i still will always hold on to the belief that if Gibbs had not brought in Al Saunders, he would have gotten steady reliable play from Mark Brunell for another couple of years and his "old school joe gibbs" offense was actually beating people in 2005.

Shanahan deserves till the end of the season to see if he can show us any promise. Last year was not good at all, this year is looking like it might be worse. If the team continues to struggle, I say let Mike Shanahan call the plays himself, see if it straightens out. If the team loses the rest of their games, then I think both Shanahans should resign or be fired....

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[quote=SolidSnake84;854739]I have a lot of respect for both coaches, Gailey and M. Shanahan, but I wouldn't tout the "two time SB winning Coach Mike Shanahan". We don't have the same two time SB winning coach Shanahan. Shanahan had John Elway and after his two SB wins, his team looked very ordinary and at times sub-par.

I was also among the legion of fans who thought "3 time Super Bowl winning coach Joe Gibbs" was going to take us back to the SB the second time he was here. Much love for Coach Gibbs, but he was not the same guy the second time around, and how could he be. I think Shanahan is in the same boat. Gibbs I had a very talented core of players to work with. Gibbs II, not so much. I do think that Gibbs II had a more talented team that Shanahan has right now. And i still will always hold on to the belief that if Gibbs had not brought in Al Saunders, he would have gotten steady reliable play from Mark Brunell for another couple of years and his "old school joe gibbs" offense was actually beating people in 2005.

Shanahan deserves till the end of the season to see if he can show us any promise. Last year was not good at all, this year is looking like it might be worse. If the team continues to struggle, I say let Mike Shanahan call the plays himself, see if it straightens out. If the team loses the rest of their games, then I think both Shanahans should resign or be fired....[/quote]

If you want to be fair about it take a few minutes and review MS record. You will find....many Championship teams and 3 SB's as he served as HC and OC, position coach on some others.
Post Elway, he had I think one losing season and numerous post season appearances.
Additionally, how many SB's did Elway win prior to MS's arrival?
I would agree to some degree that as at this point we cannot be sure what MS we have. Perhaps he will eclipse all previous records before he is done...perhaps not.
AND that leads me to my last point.
Suggesting that the Shanahans should be in jeopardy possibly after this season is the same kind of knee jerk move we have relentlessly crucified Dan for lo' these many years

Re: What's your take on our coaching?
 

I think as Redskins fans we've been spoiled by Joe Gibbs. Because really how many NFL coaches even win more than one Super Bowl, let alone just one. And on top of that, how many win these Super Bowls without a good QB?