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[quote=NC_Skins;855002]I think people like CB59 probably voices what many people think or believe inside. I think some of the reasons for such stereotype is due to the following:

1) Blacks on average score lower on SAT tests than whites (and other standardized tests)
[url=http://www.brookings.edu/articles/1998/spring_education_jencks.aspx]The Black-White Test Score Gap: Why It Persists and What Can Be Done - Brookings Institution[/url]

2) Blacks are viewed as better athletes than whites generally.

My guess is many people view the black quarterback as one who's superior athletically, but lacks the intelligence to develop into a complete quarter back. We also see a good deal of kids coming from broken homes and bad environments that do lack the education and proper upbringing, which also feeds the stereotypical picture of the black athlete.

I think the problem with the "athletic" quarterback starts long before college even rolls around. Even from the time of middle/high school, these kids generally are better athletes than the guys around them. Coaches then have them use those skills to win games instead of teaching them the true fundamentals and form. As long as the coaches are winning games, they don't care if his fundamentals/form are there. Otherwise, a guy like Tim Tebow doesn't go through 4 years of college without having his mechanics changed. Urban Meyer didn't give a shit about his mechanics because Tebow was running all over the place.

For guys like Peyton Manning or Dan Marino, that simply wasn't a option. They had to focus more on the form of passing to elevate their game at the position, and having a NFL QB as a dad probably helped with the instruction from as a small child.

For me, it's different. I don't think Cam Newton is a dummy because he's black. I think Cam Newton is a dummy because he had to cheat in Florida to get by with academics. Watching his interview with Jon Gruden made me cringe. I also think Tim Tebow is a dummy as well and he's white. They say Wonderlic scores aren't a good gauge, but I say otherwise.

Bottom line, I think the most important qualities for a NFL quarterback to have is:

1) Intelligence
2) Accuracy
3) Reaction time (progression reads/quick release)

Sure having a big gun and fast wheels makes for a great combo as well, but we've seen QBs become Hall of Famers without those two traits. In the end, we need to take away the color from a player and focus on their strengths and weaknesses. They are all unique and vary from person to person, regardless of their color.[/quote]

Based on what you're alluding to we should draft an Asian QB since they blow the doors off of anyone when it comes to IQ and standardized tests?

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From Walter's Football:

Matt Barkley*, USC
Height: 6-2. Weight: 230.
Projected 40 Time: 4.83.
Projected Round (2012): Top 10 Pick.
10/21/11: Barkley has been excellent this season. He has had some record-setting passing games against the likes of Arizona and Minnesota. Barkley had a rough game against Arizona State, but aside from that game he has shown a lot of improvement in 2011. Barkley has made strides with his accuracy, decision-making and reduced his turnovers. For the season, he has completed 68 percent of his passes for 1,782 yards with 16 touchdowns and four interceptions.

8/18/11: Barkley was getting tons of hype when he won the starting quarterback derby as a freshman. Last year, Barkley's star was diminished as USC dealt with the sanctions from the NCAA and a terrible defense that struggled to keep the opposition out of the end zone. Despite the chaos around him, Barkley improved as a sophomore.

In his first year as a starter, he completed 59.9 percent of his passes for 2,735 yards and 15 touchdowns. Barkley also threw 14 interceptions and his decision making was questionable at times. Last year in 12 games, he improved his production by completing 62.6 percent of his passes for 2,791 yards with 26 touchdowns and 12 interceptions. If Barkley can continue the trend and increase his touchdowns while reducing his interceptions, he could seal his status as high first-rounder.

Barkley has a strong arm and a good feel as a pocket passer. Helping him in his preparation for the NFL is playing in a pro-style offense. He also has strong leadership skills in the locker room. If Luck's numbers decline without Harbaugh, it wouldn't be surprising to hear some start touting Barkley as the top quarterback for the 2012 draft.

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Got to watch Tannehill play again yesterday. And again I wasnt impressed.

Anyone see Kellen play last night? Dude throws 5 tds and looks like hes just bored out there.

RGIII/Moore is the QB ticket id endorse for the draft. RG in the first, Moore in the 3rd.

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^ I'd be happy with that. I saw Tannehill play too and wondered what the fuss was all about. He didn't look very accurate to me. Of course they were playing in 30 mph winds and Jones didn't look great either.

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I didn't know Tannehill is a converted WR with so few starts at QB.

From Walter's Football:


# Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M
Height: 6-4. Weight: 219.
Projected 40 Time: 4.61.
Projected Round (2012): 2-3.
10/21/11: Tannehill has had some massive games in 2011. He also has had some bad performances in the second half of games that contributed to the Aggies blowing big leads and losing big games to Oklahoma State and Arkansas. For the season, Tannehill has completed 67 percent of his passes for 1,742 yards with 13 touchdowns and six interceptions. He has run for 231 yards and three scores. Tannehill has a strong arm with the potential to grow into an accurate passer. He also has excellent mobility from his days as a wide receiver. Tannehill needs to make up for a lot of lost time to learn the mental necessities of the position. Others rate him higher, but he has only 13 starts at quarterback. If Tannehill stays healthy, he'll enter the NFL with only 20 collegiate starts at quarterback. Tannehill has a first-round skill set, but he is going to need a lot of grooming at the NFL level. However, the unknown of if Tannehill can handle it pushes up the riskiness of picking him. That could cause him to be a second-day pick.

8/18/11: After playing wide receiver in 2008 and 2009, Ryan Tannehill became the starting quarterback during the 2010 season. He completed 65 percent of his passes for 1,638 yards with 13 touchdowns and six interceptions in seven games at quarterback. The background as a wide receiver can be seen in the athletic Tannehill. He is an elusive runner with deceptive speed. Tannehill needs more time to develop as a signal caller. His accuracy and mechanics are definitely a work in progress. For a team looking for a developmental, backup quarterback who could contribute in a Wildcat package, Tannehill could be a good mid-round pick. He is a gamer and should impress coaching staffs in pre-draft meetings.

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Jones is coming back to OU (word on the street anyway)

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[quote=skinsfaninok;855670]Jones is coming back to OU (word on the street anyway)[/quote]

And so it begins. Soon after Barkley will follow as will Robert Griffin III making 2013 THE GREATEST QB CLASS OF ALL TIME!

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[quote=Shadowbyte;855649]I say we go with Barkley (that's if we don't have to give up to much to move up). Robert Griffin III is very impressive too. I'll be content with either of those 2.[/quote]
Excellent performance from both Barkley and Griffin. I would love to have either one.

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I'm still monitoring how St. Louis and Indy do this year. I heard from Michael Lombardi that if the Colts got the number one pick, and Peyton checks out as healthy, the colts would trade it. I know that if the Rams got the number one pick, they wouldn't take Andrew. The teams to worry about are the Cardinals and Dolphins. I really feel that we have a decent (25-45%) chance of getting Andrew Luck. I'd trade 2 firsts for him in a heartbeat.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;856359]I'm still monitoring how St. Louis and Indy do this year. I heard from Michael Lombardi that if the Colts got the number one pick, and Peyton checks out as healthy, the colts would trade it. I know that if the Rams got the number one pick, they wouldn't take Andrew. The teams to worry about are the Cardinals and Dolphins. I really feel that we have a decent (25-45%) chance of getting Andrew Luck. I'd trade 2 firsts for him in a heartbeat.[/quote]

We are absolutely not going to get Andrew Luck.. Let's face that right now.

I want Barkley, and there are times when I find him more impressive.

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[quote=IrMitchell;856366]We are absolutely not going to get Andrew Luck.. Let's face that right now.

I want Barkley, and there are times when I find him more impressive.[/quote]

I wouldn't be so sure of that. Like I said if those 2 teams, Rams or Colts, get the first overall pick, don't be surprised if we make a trade with them. Ram's especially.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;856376]I wouldn't be so sure of that. Like I said if those 2 teams, Rams or Colts, get the first overall pick, don't be surprised if we make a trade with them. Ram's especially.[/quote]

I'm not so sure we have the management that would make a move like that. This year I've been following college ball more closely than the NFL (outside of the Skins) knowing our future quarterback is playing out there somewhere.. and I'll say it again Matt Barkley is a future winner.. Sure he's not the best quarterback in the draft, but we don't have that benefit.

If we give up '12, '13 firsts and some extra picks for Luck and he doesn't succeed right away, there is NO young help coming in for two full years.. That's rough for a team that hasn't even found a #2 receiver yet.

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[quote=IrMitchell;856366]We are absolutely not going to get Andrew Luck.. Let's face that right now.

I want Barkley, and there are times when I find him more impressive.[/quote]

If I was the skins, I would find a way to make a trade and try to get him (Barkley) somehow.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;856384]If I was the skins, I would find a way to make a trade and try to get him (Barkley) somehow.[/quote]

Honestly, I'm hoping we just finish as a top 6ish team.
I know it's still too early to give up, but I think the best thing that could happen to the Redskins is continue to suck with a solid defense and look for bigger things next year, WITH a quarterback.

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[quote=IrMitchell;856389]Honestly, I'm hoping we just finish as a top 6ish team.
I know it's still too early to give up, but I think the best thing that could happen to the Redskins is continue to suck with a solid defense and look for bigger things next year, WITH a quarterback.[/quote]


I kind of agree, I really want Barkley since Luck will be gone.

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I'd love Barkley but He will be gone in the top 4 picks so we may have to trade, I'd take RG3 also

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[quote=skinsfaninok;856399]I'd love Barkley but He will be gone in the top 4 picks so we may have to trade, I'd take RG3 also[/quote]

Yeah RG3 is very interesting.. But is he a Shanny guy?

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[quote=IrMitchell;856402]Yeah RG3 is very interesting.. But is he a Shanny guy?[/quote]


LOL Well McNabb an Beck are supposed to be right?? YEAH....

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[quote=skinsfaninok;856412]LOL Well McNabb an Beck are supposed to be right?? YEAH....[/quote]

McNabb ran himself out of town and Beck always sucked....... We're talking about a 3 year commitment with RG3.. Much different.

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I'm all for RG3 man, dude has a Big arm and is fast as hell, plus accurate on certain passes..

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[quote=skinsfaninok;856399]I'd love Barkley but He will be gone in the top 4 picks so we may have to trade, I'd take RG3 also[/quote]

luck, barkley, RG3. my top 3 qbs.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;856423]I'm all for RG3 man, dude has a Big arm and is fast as hell, plus accurate on certain passes..[/quote]

Yeah I fully agree, I hope he declares.

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[quote=Big C;856428]luck, barkley, RG3. my top 3 qbs.[/quote]

No doubt

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Weeden from OKST is pretty good also but he's old ass hell

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[quote=IrMitchell;856416]McNabb ran himself out of town and Beck always sucked....... We're talking about a 3 year commitment with RG3.. Much different.[/quote]

Well so far our scouting on potential QBs has been terrible, I think that is the point.

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[quote=Ruhskins;856443]Well so far our scouting on potential QBs has been terrible, I think that is the point.[/quote]

Yeah it is the point..

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[quote=Ruhskins;856443]Well so far our scouting on potential QBs has been terrible, I think that is the point.[/quote]

I think they were all hand picked by Shanahan and not the Scouting staff.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;856451]I think they were all hand picked by Shanahan and not the Scouting staff.[/quote]

I meant Shanahan's scouting or his decision-making. The point is that I hope third time is a charm, otherwise we are screwed.

Watched another Boise State game again last night and I'm totally sold on Moore.

That said, I've heard a potential sleeper choice for us is Chandler Harnish. What do you all know about him!

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[quote=SmootSmack;856546]Watched another Boise State game again last night and I'm totally sold on Moore.

That said, I've heard a potential sleeper choice for us is Chandler Harnish. What do you all know about him![/quote]

We can't draft Harnish because there is no catchy slogan for him other than Tarnish for Harnish.

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Look, I know you all may think I'm crazy by suggesting we could get Luck, but the thing is this; If we draft in the top ten, top 5 especially, AND St. Louis, Carolina, or Indy have the first overall pick, our team I fully believe will make the trade. Let me break this down some more;

-Should we be drafting in the top 10/5, Shanny and Snyder will be having some long talks about the future, and Shanahan will, I fully believe throw in all his chips into getting Luck should one of those 3 teams have the first pick.
-I know you all think we are a more mature draft team, but always remember, Dan Snyder's the owner, anything can happen. He may say he's out of the picture now that Shanahans here but don't be surprised if he puts himself back in and tells the FO to do whatever they can to get this guy, especially if shanahan really thinks he's a future QB who can turn this team around.
-You all are probably wondering why would Indy give up their pick and trade it to us, should the pick 1st. They owe Peyton Manning a $35 million dollar roster bonus. They give it to him they A) take away millions of dollars of cap space, B) Won't have the money to just go out and pay a #1 overall pick, C) Are saying they believe Peytons Neck is healthy, and are committed to him for atleast another year or two.D) I just don't see the Colts even taking Luck, and letting him set behind Peyton, when Lucks supposed to be one of the most NFL ready QB's ever. (Also I heard on Inside the NFL that the Colts would pass on Luck should Peyton be healthy.)
- Oliver Luck is supposedly Archie Manning Jr., being that he wants his son in the best place. Andrew said he would love to be close to home with his next team. His home right now? Morgantown, WV. IF Indy did have the first overall pick, and were uncertain, I believe Oliver would tell them to give up the pick to someone who definitely wants him.
-Again the draft is so far away prospects are going to be moving up and down constantly and even though Andrew Luck is a consistent first overall pick some guys may move up whom check out a lot better option wise for teams drafting high, but know they can still get that player lower. For example if the Rams pick 1st overall, and we pick 5th, and the Rams have a QB and we are in perfect position to take Alshon Jeffery, I wouldn't be surprised if that happens, and if A.J got drafted that high.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;856587]Look, I know you all may think I'm crazy by suggesting we could get Luck, but the thing is this; If we draft in the top ten, top 5 especially, AND St. Louis, Carolina, or Indy have the first overall pick, our team I fully believe will make the trade. Let me break this down some more;

-Should we be drafting in the top 10/5, Shanny and Snyder will be having some long talks about the future, and Shanahan will, I fully believe throw in all his chips into getting Luck should one of those 3 teams have the first pick.
-I know you all think we are a more mature draft team, but always remember, Dan Snyder's the owner, anything can happen. He may say he's out of the picture now that Shanahans here but don't be surprised if he puts himself back in and tells the FO to do whatever they can to get this guy, especially if shanahan really thinks he's a future QB who can turn this team around.
-You all are probably wondering why would Indy give up their pick and trade it to us, should the pick 1st. They owe Peyton Manning a $35 million dollar roster bonus. They give it to him they A) take away millions of dollars of cap space, B) Won't have the money to just go out and pay a #1 overall pick, C) Are saying they believe Peytons Neck is healthy, and are committed to him for atleast another year or two.D) I just don't see the Colts even taking Luck, and letting him set behind Peyton, when Lucks supposed to be one of the most NFL ready QB's ever. (Also I heard on Inside the NFL that the Colts would pass on Luck should Peyton be healthy.)
- Oliver Luck is supposedly Archie Manning Jr., being that he wants his son in the best place. Andrew said he would love to be close to home with his next team. His home right now? Morgantown, WV. IF Indy did have the first overall pick, and were uncertain, I believe Oliver would tell them to give up the pick to someone who definitely wants him.
-Again the draft is so far away prospects are going to be moving up and down constantly and even though Andrew Luck is a consistent first overall pick some guys may move up whom check out a lot better option wise for teams drafting high, but know they can still get that player lower. For example if the Rams pick 1st overall, and we pick 5th, and the Rams have a QB and we are in perfect position to take Alshon Jeffery, I wouldn't be surprised if that happens, and if A.J got drafted that high.[/quote]

If the Redskin front office is able to trade up to get Andrew Luck, then Allen and Shanahan will indeed draft him. But in giving away multiple picks to the Colts or Dolphins, the Redskins will have to get what they need through FA. They need young veteran wide receivers. If they can target four, they could get two very good ones. In addition, the Redskins already have a young receiving core with Fred Davis, Terrance Austin, and Leonard Hankerson. But knowing Allen and Shanahan, they will also ask in exchange for their picks for additional late picks along with the number 1 overall.

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[quote=SmootSmack;856546]Watched another Boise State game again last night and I'm totally sold on Moore.

That said, I've heard a potential sleeper choice for us is Chandler Harnish. What do you all know about him![/quote]

From Walter's Football:

Chandler Harnish, QB, Northern Illinois
Height: 6-2. Weight: 220.
Projected 40 Time: 4.69.
Projected Round (2012): 4-6.
10/21/11: Harnish has completed 65 percent of their passes for 1,547 yards with 12 touchdowns and four interceptions. He also has run for 671 yards and seven touchdowns. Harnish has been consistent this season except for not having a productive game against Wisconsin. He could garner some developmental interest.

8/18/11: Chandler Harnish is an experienced signal caller who enters his fourth season as a starter. In his career, he has completed 62 percent of his passes for 5,728 yards with 40 touchdowns and 20 interceptions. Harnish also is a running threat with 1,604 yards rushing and 13 touchdowns over the past three seasons.

I'm going to go back and watch some of his games.

Watched some more of yesterday's game and I really believe a QB is all we need for a huge difference.

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I'd honestly go with RGIII that kid is a baller and is a way better passer than many people see, I've seen Folks in here say he's just a typical running QB but that's far from true

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[quote=SmootSmack;856605]I'm going to go back and watch some of his games.

Watched some more of yesterday's game[B] and I really believe a QB is all we need for a huge difference.[/B][/quote]

I couldn't agree more. Watching receivers get open and Beck not throwing to them couldn't have made it any clearer.

More Harnish stats:

Passing

Year G/GS C-A-I Pct. Yds. TD Lg. Yds/Gm Effic.
2008 10/9 118-211-9 55.9 1528 8 91 152.8 120.7
2009 10/9 143-223-6 64.1 1670 11 45 167.0 136.9
2010 13/3 189-292-5 64.7 2530 21 69 194.6 157.8
Career 33/31 450-726-20 62.0 5728 40 91 173.6 140.9

Rushing

Year G/GS No. Yds. Avg. TD Lg. Yds/Gm
2008 10/9 118 539 4.6 4 32 53.9
2009 10/9 89 229 2.6 2 29 22.9
2010 13/13 137 836 6.1 7 69 64.3
Career 33/31 344 1604 4.7 13 69 48.6

He has improved every year.

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[quote=53Fan;856603]From Walter's Football:

Chandler Harnish, QB, Northern Illinois
Height: 6-2. Weight: 220.
Projected 40 Time: 4.69.
Projected Round (2012): 4-6.
10/21/11: Harnish has completed 65 percent of their passes for 1,547 yards with 12 touchdowns and four interceptions. He also has run for 671 yards and seven touchdowns. Harnish has been consistent this season except for not having a productive game against Wisconsin. He could garner some developmental interest.

8/18/11: Chandler Harnish is an experienced signal caller who enters his fourth season as a starter. In his career, he has completed 62 percent of his passes for 5,728 yards with 40 touchdowns and 20 interceptions. Harnish also is a running threat with 1,604 yards rushing and 13 touchdowns over the past three seasons.[/quote]

Please god no.. We should not reach for a qb ... I think shanny likes to take the unpopular choice to make people go " wow didn't see that coming " and if it works out he's considered a genius. We have to take Jones, Griffin, or Barkley if avail. Moore is great but not in the first . Im done with bad qb play for the skins..... And SS I think you're right. We are just a qb away from being a possible wildcard team. We obv need a ton more to become a SB contender.

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I don't think Harnish would be the first QB we take. But Shanny may want him in the later rounds as a developmental type QB if he see's potential in him.

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[quote=53Fan;856634]I don't think Harnish would be the first QB we take. But Shanny may want him in the later rounds as a developmental type QB if he see's potential in him.[/quote]

Yea I'm down with that ... We do need two qb's. I just want Rex and Beck gone.

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SS

I've been hyping up Kellen Moore since last year. I agree we should get this guy. BUT having said that, I asked some of my football friends what they think of Kellen. They brought up good points to me.

-what makes him different from John Beck?
-What, besides running, makes him different from Tim Tebow?
-what makes him completely different from Colt Brennan?

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/video/ncaaf_video/2011/11/07/110711.heisman_watch_moore.SportsIllustrated/index.html]Heisman Watch: Kellen Moore - Video - SI.com[/url]