Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Cowboys at Redskins)
 

[quote=Mattyk;862271]Agreed 110%. Especially with all of our other problems to consider, and we're sitting here picking apart one of our better players.[/quote]

I may have missed some "bashing" of Rak, but that's certainly not my intent. Like SirClintonPortis I'm pointing out that he's not winning his 1 on 1 matchups much of the time. Even Shanahan alluded to the pass rush being partly to blame for the 3rd & 15 when Hall took the blame.

He's definitely a cornerstone of this D, and I would go farther to say that re-signing him in the next couple years should be budgeted for now. I would not want to see him walk, but at the same time his game needs some evolution & he's capable of improving.

Maybe this is just a case of standards & expectations. As one of our best players & a no. 1 pick, we're expecting him to be great. Ditto for Landry.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Cowboys at Redskins)
 

[quote=freddyg12;862275]I may have missed some "bashing" of Rak, but that's certainly not my intent. Like SirClintonPortis I'm pointing out that he's not winning his 1 on 1 matchups much of the time. Even Shanahan alluded to the pass rush being partly to blame for the 3rd & 15 when Hall took the blame.

He's definitely a cornerstone of this D, and I would go farther to say that re-signing him in the next couple years should be budgeted for now. I would not want to see him walk, but at the same time his game needs some evolution & he's capable of improving.

Maybe this is just a case of standards & expectations. As one of our best players & a no. 1 pick, we're expecting him to be great. Ditto for Landry.[/quote]

He's certainly not above criticism, it just strikes me as a little odd how much time we've spent talking about him lately considering how many more glaring problems we have. I'd argue he has been a great player for us, just not great enough for some I guess.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Cowboys at Redskins)
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;861988]I think the biggest loser yeterday was DeAngelo Hall.
[INDENT]He was the defender on Bryant's TD catch in the first quarter. He was beaten so badly that Atogwe was actually the closest defender.

He could not run down Jason Witten on that 60-yard TD play.

He was stone-cold punked by DeMarco Murray on a running play that the Skins needed to stuff to stall a Cowboys' drive. Murray hit him and carried him about 5 yards until help arrived.

He gave up the catch to Bryant that set up the field goal that ended the game.[/INDENT]
Even if he had played perfectly for the rest of the game - - and he did not - - he was the defender who made a difference on the plays that decided the game. Problem is that he made a difference in the wrong direction.

Oh well, he can take solace in the fact that he has that $25M guarantee for his contract...[/quote]
I just watched the highlights of the game and noticed that Hall was covering Robinson on that 7 yard TD pass in the 3rd quarter that tied the game at 17 each.

So he got torched by Witten, Bryant and Robinson in one game.

Esstenially, 21 of the 27 points the Cowboys scored were against Hall in coverage. Thats all 3 of Romo's TD's.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Cowboys at Redskins)
 

[quote=sandtrapjack;862282]I just watched the highlights of the game and noticed that Hall was covering Robinson on that 7 yard TD pass in the 3rd quarter that tied the game at 17 each.

So he got torched by Witten, Bryant and Robinson in one game.

Esstenially, 21 of the 27 points the Cowboys scored were against Hall in coverage. Thats all 3 of Romo's TD's.[/quote]

He wasn't covering Whitten or Robinson on those TDs, he came after them off of his man once the ball was in the air.

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[quote=freddyg12;862294]He wasn't covering Whitten or Robinson on those TDs, he came after them off of his man once the ball was in the air.[/quote]


I swear Deangelo Hall is the most criticized redskin ever, he's our best CB by far on the team thats not saying much but who else are we going to throw at the number 1 spot???? Think people

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Cowboys at Redskins)
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;862265]Those guys I listed would be rated 90 out of 100. Orakpo would be lower, say 75 or 80 out of 100. You call this bashing? What am I supposed to do? Say he's better than Ware? That's bullshit.[/quote]

Rak is just entering his 3rd season, Ware is something like a 7 or 8 year vet.

Ware - Rak
58 tkls, 8 sacks - 50 tkls, 11 sacks
73 tkls, 11.5 sacks - 56 tkls, 8.5 sacks

If all-pro, HOF players like Allen and Ware are 90s, Id say Rak is a solid 83-85 perennial probowler.

So what that Rak is a straight up one dimensional pass rusher like t suggs or d ware and not an all around backer like matthews or urlacher.

different peices to complete the puzzle. Rak, flethcher and kerrigan all fit and fill different needs. I do wish Haslett would move rak and kerrigan around some.

Given the choice between a 3rd year Rak or 7 year Ware going forward, Id take the younger Rak who has some of his best seasons right around the corner.

Better D personnel and more time in the system = Rak putting up bigger and bigger numbers. its just a matter of time b/c he has the physical tools and right mind state to be one of the best pass rushers in the league for the rest of the decade.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Cowboys at Redskins)
 

[quote=sandtrapjack;862282]I just watched the highlights of the game and noticed that Hall was covering Robinson on that 7 yard TD pass in the 3rd quarter that tied the game at 17 each.

So he got torched by Witten, Bryant and Robinson in one game.

Esstenially, 21 of the 27 points the Cowboys scored were against Hall in coverage. Thats all 3 of Romo's TD's.[/quote]

Hall was only covering Bryant. I don't know about the Witten TD, but in the Robinson TD, Wilson was the one covering him not Hall. If you see the play, you will notice Wilson running behind Robinson trying to catch up to him. Romo did a good job of putting the ball in a spot where Robinson could catch it before Hall or Wilson got there (yeah I just threw up in my mouth a little).

The way I see it, both of our starting CBs gave up a TD each, and the entire secondary f'ed up with the Witten TD. In the end, the team is going to need to figure out how to make the secondary work or see what changes in players AND scheme need to happen to make this unit successful next season.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Cowboys at Redskins)
 

The Whitten TD was on Riley, but I don't expect Riley to cover Whitten for that long.

The Bryant TD was on Hall and Otagwe. Otagwe was having a bagel and was waaayyyy late on his deep third protection

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Cowboys at Redskins)
 

Would witten have scored that TD if landry was on the field?

Yes or No.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Cowboys at Redskins)
 

[quote=over the mountain;862343]Would witten have scored that TD if landry was on the field?

Yes or No.[/quote]

I doubt it would have made a difference because it was a total breakdown in coverage. Maybe Landry could have stopped him, since he's bigger than our CBs...but Witten caught that ball in stride and just took off.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Cowboys at Redskins)
 

[quote=Ruhskins;862346]I doubt it would have made a difference because it was a total breakdown in coverage. Maybe Landry could have stopped him, since he's bigger than our CBs...but Witten caught that ball in stride and just took off.[/quote]

yeah thats what im thinking to. Witten would have still made the catch but i dont think he runs for his longest TD ever if landry is on the field . . unless landry was in the box near the LOS . .

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Cowboys at Redskins)
 

[quote=SOUL-SKINS;861762][B]Where are all of the Gano supporters???? [/B][/quote]

Right here!! :towel:

I think all the Gano bashers have gone a little loco. Let's see... he missed a 49-yrdr and a 52-yrdr... WHO CARES?? HE DID US A FAVOR. Why don't we wait 'til he blows a meaningful game before we run him outta town.

He kicks the ball thru the end zone every time and has proven he can hit FGs [B]up to 60 yards[/B]. In exchange he's likely to miss 1 FG per game. I'll take it.

In past years we wouldn't even attempt a 52-yarder and if we did the kick would land on the 2 yard line.

Stay the course. Stay with...

:point:[B][COLOR="DarkRed"][SIZE="4"]GANO[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]:point:

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;862488]Right here!! :towel:

I think all the Gano bashers have gone a little loco. Let's see... he missed a 49-yrdr and a 52-yrdr... WHO CARES?? HE DID US A FAVOR. Why don't we wait 'til he blows a meaningful game before we run him outta town.

He kicks the ball thru the end zone every time and has proven he can hit FGs [B]up to 60 yards[/B]. In exchange he's likely to miss 1 FG per game. I'll take it.

In past years we wouldn't even attempt a 52-yarder and if we did the kick would land on the 2 yard line.

Stay the course. Stay with...

:point:[B][COLOR="DarkRed"][SIZE="4"]GANO[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]:point:[/quote]


He's currently ranked #31 out of 34 kickers. What's your response to that? Sounds pretty shitty to me. Not saying we should cut or get rid of him at this particular time.

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[quote=NC_Skins;862490]He's currently ranked #31 out of 34 kickers. What's your response to that? Sounds pretty shitty to me. Not saying we should cut or get rid of him at this particular time.[/quote]

I think his accuracy numbers count the 3 blocks so if you take those out his pct is more respectable. Also the stats can be deceiving. Mike Nugent is 3rd in pct at 18/19, but he's 0-0 from 50+. So he probably has no range outside of 50. Dan Bailey leads in pct but he's only 1-1 from 50+. And he's missed from under 30 yards, something Gano hasn't done.

I agree GG has to improve his accuracy but let's give him some time. Much easier for a distance kicker to improve his accuracy than the other way around.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Cowboys at Redskins)
 

[quote=CrazyCanuck;862488]Right here!! :towel:

I think all the Gano bashers have gone a little loco. Let's see... he missed a 49-yrdr and a 52-yrdr... WHO CARES?? HE DID US A FAVOR. Why don't we wait 'til he blows a meaningful game before we run him outta town.

He kicks the ball thru the end zone every time and has proven he can hit FGs [B]up to 60 yards[/B]. In exchange he's likely to miss 1 FG per game. I'll take it.

In past years we wouldn't even attempt a 52-yarder and if we did the kick would land on the 2 yard line.

Stay the course. Stay with...

:point:[B][COLOR=DarkRed][SIZE=4]GANO[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]:point:[/quote]

Ahhh.......the voice of reason...
That has no place here!

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Cowboys at Redskins)
 

[quote=CrazyCanuck;862497]I think his accuracy numbers count the 3 blocks so if you take those out his pct is more respectable. Also the stats can be deceiving. Mike Nugent is 3rd in pct at 18/19, but he's 0-0 from 50+. So he probably has no range outside of 50. Dan Bailey leads in pct but he's only 1-1 from 50+. And he's missed from under 30 yards, something Gano hasn't done.

I agree GG has to improve his accuracy but let's give him some time. Much easier for a distance kicker to improve his accuracy than the other way around.[/quote]

I can give him the rest of the season...and that's it. No improvement, it's time to start looking at other options. Even Dallas brought in Bailey after being similarly generous to Buehler. Waiting 3 seasons for a kicker is one season too many.

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Gano is a Horrible kicker and has been, You could never ever trust him in a clutch situation again..

Yeah he has a 59 yard kick which is amazing but it wasn't during a tied game we were down by what ? 10-13?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;862521]Gano is a Horrible kicker and has been, You could never ever trust him in a clutch situation again..

[/quote]

Whoa that's a little harsh. One missed OT 52 yard field goal and now we're talking about never trusting him to make a clutch kick again? He's made game winners in the past too.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;862521]Gano is a Horrible kicker and has been, You could never ever trust him in a clutch situation again..

Yeah he has a 59 yard kick which is amazing but it wasn't during a tied game we were down by what ? 10-13?[/quote]As awesome as modern day field goal kickers are, you can't feel too confident in any one kicker in a 50+ yard kick to win the game. Gano is probably one of the better ones in that situation, but some coaches won't even dare attempt that because of the downside.

If you take that chance, you have to be prepared to miss it. There's no kicker in the league you can get that would change that disappointment if you miss. Not Akers, not Janikowski, none of them.

The game is on NFL Replay now on NFLN.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Cowboys at Redskins)
 

[quote=sandtrapjack;862530]The game is on NFL Replay now on NFLN.[/quote]


No thanks

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Cowboys at Redskins)
 

[quote=mooby;862523]Whoa that's a little harsh. One missed OT 52 yard field goal and now we're talking about never trusting him to make a clutch kick again? He's made game winners in the past too.[/quote]

Just very irritating man

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Cowboys at Redskins)
 

5 Is it better if they keep losing?

Um, no. Yes, it would improve their draft position in April, but it would do little for the belief among the players that this is a program headed in the right direction. It's important for players to believe in what you're doing. Besides, it's impossible to predict where any of these quarterbacks will be drafted in April, save for Andrew Luck. A 12-game losing streak to end the season would suggest larger issues that a QB picked in the top five won't solve anytime soon.

jkeim@washingtonexamin

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Cowboys at Redskins)
 

[quote=Hog1;862722]5 Is it better if they keep losing?

Um, no. Yes, it would improve their draft position in April, but it would do little for the belief among the players that this is a program headed in the right direction. It's important for players to believe in what you're doing. Besides, it's impossible to predict where any of these quarterbacks will be drafted in April, save for Andrew Luck. [B]A 12-game losing streak to end the season would suggest larger issues that a QB picked in the top five won't solve anytime soon.[/B]

jkeim@washingtonexamin[/quote]

Yeah I agree to a point, a 12 game slide definitely isn't good for the franchise's psyche. But either way, QB has got to be a top priority no matter how the last 6 games go down.

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[quote=Mattyk;862725]Yeah I agree to a point, a 12 game slide definitely isn't good for the franchise's psyche. But either way, [B]QB has got to be a top priority [/B]no matter how the last 6 games go down.[/quote]
^^^^^^^^^