Re: Laron Landry - Redskin for life?
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;878643]It would be a mistake to re-sign him unless he has surgery. [B]He's been advised by his doctors to get his achilles surgically repaired and he won't do it[/B]; therefore, it won't hold up.[/quote]

Proof? I disagree with his decision not to have surgery, but I haven't heard anywhere that surgery is recommended. If that is the case and Landry still isn't having it, then I hope the grass is greener for him elsewhere, because I wouldn't put up with him another year.

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[quote=mooby;878688]Proof? I disagree with his decision not to have surgery, but I haven't heard anywhere that surgery is recommended. If that is the case and Landry still isn't having it, then I hope the grass is greener for him elsewhere, because I wouldn't put up with him another year.[/quote]

At least one Dr. has recommended surgery

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/laron-landrys-future-hinges-on-alternative-medicine-procedure/2012/01/24/gIQAhMqXNQ_blog.html]LaRon Landry’s future hinges on alternative medicine procedure - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

Re: Laron Landry - Redskin for life?
 

[quote=Mattyk;878690]At least one Dr. has recommended surgery

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/laron-landrys-future-hinges-on-alternative-medicine-procedure/2012/01/24/gIQAhMqXNQ_blog.html"]LaRon Landry’s future hinges on alternative medicine procedure - The Insider - The Washington Post[/URL][/quote]

:doh: I knew Landry wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed, but come on. I'd be comfortable giving him a one year deal (not big money though) and seeing what happens but if he's injured again this season then let him walk.

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why is landry getting such grief? its his body and his NFL career. he is pursuing the options that he feels are best for him and his career.

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I believe surgery was recommended last year even.

More and more Landry appears to be a head case...obviously not in the "typical" thug way or narcissism ala TO for example. I suspect he's borderline in terms of IQ/mental handicap. Landry's utterly child-like behavior both on and off field, inability to learn even the most fundamental skills like tackling or taking the correct angle on a play, and his absurd fear of surgery are beyond unusual.

I doubt he'll be in the league by 2013.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;878697]why is landry getting such grief? its his body and his NFL career. he is pursuing the options that he feels are best for him and his career.[/quote]

Yes, it is his body and his career. And if he doesn't do what it takes to keep his body in optimal playing shape, he is free to pursue his career elsewhere.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;878697]why is landry getting such grief? its his body and his NFL career. he is pursuing the options that he feels are best for him and his career.[/quote]

Well, when one of the best doctors in the world (in this area) is giving you advice, it's probably best you take it. This makes 2 years in a row he's disregarded the advice, with last year failing with the route he decided to go.

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[quote=Lotus;878703]Yes, it is his body and his career. And if he doesn't do what it takes to keep his body in optimal playing shape, he is free to pursue his career elsewhere.[/quote]

you are assuming you know whats best for his body. unless youre a doctor and have worked with landry, you dont know what youre talking about. unless landry is allergic to money, i think its safe to assume that landry IS doing what he and his doctors have told him is best for his body and career.

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[quote=Mattyk;878690]At least one Dr. has recommended surgery

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/laron-landrys-future-hinges-on-alternative-medicine-procedure/2012/01/24/gIQAhMqXNQ_blog.html]LaRon Landry’s future hinges on alternative medicine procedure - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

He should go to Tor the holistic healer.

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[quote=mooby;878696]:doh: I knew Landry wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed, but come on. I'd be comfortable giving him a one year deal (not big money though) and seeing what happens but if he's injured again this season then let him walk.[/quote]

What exactly makes you feel comfortable with a one year deal?

How would next season be any different for him than last season if he doesn't get his achilles repaired? I don't see how he could possibly get 100% healthy for next season by having a shaman wave a chicken feather over his heel.

If we sign him instead of another starting calibre SS then I fear that we'll end up with a backup playing SS for most of the season.

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[quote=Lotus;878703]Yes, it is his body and his career. And if he doesn't do what it takes to keep his body in optimal playing shape, he is free to pursue his career elsewhere.[/quote]

Carlos Rogers 2.0. He will go somewhere else, decide to get surgery, and dominate for a new team....

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I say let him walk. We cant afford to have our starting saftey sit out another year. Like parcels said " Football players play football". Get a guy that is a solid player in free agency, that can stay healthy and move on. I am starting to think Laron is a big sissy to scared to have surgury. Of course, I would never say that to him and hope he does not read this reply.

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[quote=SkinzWin;878724]Carlos Rogers 2.0. He will go somewhere else, decide to get surgery, and dominate for a new team....[/quote]

You forgot "Health permitting". ;)

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What is really amazing is the the blood platelet plasma "treatment" he is recieving, although being popularized by many athletes, has yet to sure true medical validity as a treatment. I don't know if he is afraid to have surgery or if he is using it as means to give him an out from the orginization, but I agree that we definitely can't have this be a yearly issue.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;878737]What is really amazing is the the blood platelet plasma "treatment" he is recieving, although being popularized by many athletes, has yet to sure true medical validity as a treatment. [B]I don't know if he is afraid to have surgery or if he is using it as means to give him an out from the orginization,[/B] but I agree that we definitely can't have this be a yearly issue.[/quote]

I've heard it's a little from column A, a little from column B....but more so from A

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[quote=SmootSmack;878739]I've heard it's a little from column A, a little from column B....but more so from A[/quote]

Why does he want out? Can't take being with a coach that hold players accountable? Seeing his on his 2nd strike with the failed drug test policy, he's lucky to have a job.

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I don't know why

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;878723]What exactly makes you feel comfortable with a one year deal?

How would next season be any different for him than last season if he doesn't get his achilles repaired? I don't see how he could possibly get 100% healthy for next season by having a shaman wave a chicken feather over his heel.

If we sign him instead of another starting calibre SS then I fear that we'll end up with a backup playing SS for most of the season.[/quote]

It wouldn't. But even though the odds are against it, there's still a chance his "alt route therapy" still works. If the coaches see the adequate progress made by April-ish and he's still unsigned in free agency, and he's comfortable coming back on a 1 year deal and proving himself, I'm fine with bringing him back for another year.

Reread my post. I'm not saying give him a one year deal on a bum knee, I'm saying if the circumstances fit and coaches feel he can contribute, bring him back on a one year deal. I don't feel like creating another hole on this team and filling it with another free agent option.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;878718]you are assuming you know whats best for his body. unless youre a doctor and have worked with landry, you dont know what youre talking about. unless landry is allergic to money, i think its safe to assume that landry IS doing what he and his doctors have told him is best for his body and career.[/quote]

Nope, I am not assuming what is best for his body. Did I give specific doctor's advice?

I'm just telling it like it is. He can make whatever health choices he wishes, but if he makes choices which restrict his performance, the team will certainly take note.

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One of the most respected drs in the field said they need to shave bone barbs down that are snagging the tendon... seems to me that rest and strengthening of the tendon won't take care of that alone.

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[quote=NC_Skins;878750]Why does he want out? Can't take being with a coach that hold players accountable? Seeing his on his 2nd strike with the failed drug test policy, he's lucky to have a job.[/quote]

Are we talking about Landry or TW/FD here?

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[quote=SkinzWin;878724]Carlos Rogers 2.0. He will go somewhere else, decide to get surgery, and dominate for a new team....[/quote]

I know Landry has not performed well lately and his health is a question, but my paranoia leads me to the same conclusion that you have reached. Despite the negatives, I am reluctant to give up on the guy. I think we can do a short-term signing (one year) and see how it plays out. I say we keep him for 2012, provided we can get for the right price.

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I'm already looking forward to seeing Gomes play SS. He might not hit like LaRon Landry, but he's solid. Gomes is still young, and his rookie experience will aid him in defining his game more and more.

Re: Laron Landry - Redskin for life?
 

Can't play with him, won't play with him or something like that.

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[QUOTE=Lotus;878774]Nope, I am not assuming what is best for his body. Did I give specific doctor's advice?

I'm just telling it like it is. He can make whatever health choices he wishes, but if he makes choices which restrict his performance, the team will certainly take note.[/QUOTE]

Athletes don't always make the best choices in regards to treatment. For example rather then work closely with an actual neurologist Sidney Crosby sees it better to fly to Atlanta and meet with a guy that claims to be able to treat his post concussion syndrome with spine adjustments and balance exercises. His title.......Nuerological Chiropractor. A Chiropractor that can treat seizures, migraines, and post concussion syndrome.

[QUOTE]“Carrick then went on to say that they’ve essentially re-programmed Crosby so that space now appears on an appropriate grid. The term “markedly stable” was also used a few times.”
[/QUOTE]
I'd at least like to hear what this treatment Landry is seeking actually is but if it's some hoax form of alternative medicine like chiropractic, reflexology, or magnets then it's time to move on.

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if you have been posting in this thread this article is a must read. it is from march 2010 but it has a lot of information on the achilles and the effect it has on athletes, mainly nfl players

[quote]Compared to the general population, athletes in the National Football League (NFL) are at increased risk for injury because the game involves explosive acceleration and sudden changes in direction.3 Very little is known about the epidemiology of Achilles tendon ruptures in the NFL. Utilizing data publicly available on the Internet, one retrospective review identified 31 Achilles tendon ruptures in NFL players over a five-year period (5.2 injuries/year).3 During the 2008-2009 NFL season, six players suffered season-ending Achilles tendon ruptures. Although the incidence of Achilles rupture is low, 0.93% per NFL game, nearly 36% of affected players never return to playing at the NFL level.3[/quote]

[quote]Furthermore, in the reviewed 21 NFL skill players who returned to play, there were significant decreases in games played per season (11.67 games per year pre-injury versus 6.17 games per year postinjury) when averaged over the three seasons before the injury and the three seasons after the injury.3 There were also decreases averaging nearly 50% in power ratings of the returning players for the three seasons after the injury compared to the three seasons before the injury. These data indicate that even in players able to return to their former level of play, the quality of play may suffer permanently.[/quote]

hers is the entire article [url=http://www.lowerextremityreview.com/article/return-to-football-after-achilles-tendon-rupture]Return to football after Achilles tendon rupture | Lower Extremity Review Magazine[/url]

it's kind of depressing if you have hope for landry's return to playing an an elite level

Re: Laron Landry - Redskin for life?
 

I don't think we will resign LL, if we do it will be for alot less than anyone thinks.

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Let 'em walk. He's already sent a message.

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I'd be stunned if Laron returns

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[quote=SmootSmack;879212]I'd be stunned if Laron returns[/quote]

What do you expect from his career SS?

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What do you mean?

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[quote=IrMitchell;862879]Imagining our team with no more of Area-51 just seems impossible to me..[/quote]

Time to move on and start winning.

Can we franchise him??

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I would hate to see LaRon go but its looking that way, is Atogwe coming back for sure next year? Are you guys sold on Gomes as a starter? I would like to see us go after Branch from the Raiders if Laron does go.

Re: Laron Landry - Redskin for life?
 

laron is one of the players that Los referred to as wanting out of DC

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[quote=tryfuhl;879403]laron is one of the players that Los referred to as wanting out of DC[/quote]

And that would would be a shame. The best players wanna be part of the solution, not the problem.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;879301]I would hate to see LaRon go but its looking that way, is Atogwe coming back for sure next year? Are you guys sold on Gomes as a starter? I would like to see us go after Branch from the Raiders if Laron does go.[/quote]

Don't know for sure, but read in [I]Washington Examiner[/I] that Atogwe may be finished and that Gomes is not viewed as a starter. If both of those are accurate statements, Redskins may actually need to take a chance on Landry for at least one more season.

Somebody has to play back there.

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I've been saying for a long time that the safety position is a huge problem in our defense, and it may be getting worst if we lose Atogwe and Landry. I hope there are some good FAs available, b/c we won't have any high picks to deal with this problem any time soon.

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[quote=redskin29633;879410]Don't know for sure, but read in [I]Washington Examiner[/I] that Atogwe may be finished and that Gomes is not viewed as a starter. If both of those are accurate statements, Redskins may actually need to take a chance on Landry for at least one more season.

Somebody has to play back there.[/quote]

As I understand it, Shanahan and Atogwe don't have the best relationship (kind of like Shanahan and Gano). But much like Smith fights to the end for Gano, Haslett does the same for Atogwe.

Also, Atogwe wasn't entirely healthy this year.

I think he returns

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[quote=SmootSmack;879443]As I understand it, Shanahan and Atogwe don't have the best relationship (kind of like Shanahan and Gano). But much like Smith fights to the end for Gano, Haslett does the same for Atogwe.

Also, Atogwe wasn't entirely healthy this year.

I think he returns[/quote]

Odd. Atogwe seems like a stand-up guy. He has been good in the past. I hope he sticks around for at least one more year.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;862850]Landry is a bag of upper body muscle.

But he is hot a high caliber safety.
I'm not even sure if he is a medium caliber safety.

He's an athlete but hes not a smart one.

He's not a game changer.

He doesn't make big plays.

He's injury prone.

If his contract is up let him go we can do better.[/quote]

The only part of that I agree with is that he's injury prone. When he's healthy, he is most def a game changer. I can think of 3-4 games off the top of my head that I don't think we win if he's not playing.