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[quote=mlmpetert;866372]I had been thinking TW was a complete lost cause. Yesterday I would have said if we can get a third round pick for him then it’s a no brainer, and that a fourth round pick should be something we should consider for him. But ive changed my tune a little and think there is hope. Jared Allen and Ricky Williams both made major lifestyle changes after alcohol and weed threatened their careers.

Coming out of college Jared Allen had been arrested for DUI. Then during a contract year with the Chiefs in 2006 he got 2 DUIs within 5 months, forcing him to sign a 1 year tender in 2007 before moving to the Vikings the following year.

Ricky failed 3 drug tests, retired to study holistic medicine, unretired to only fail again, went to Canada to play in the CFL and came back to the NFL only to possibly fail again for something besides weed, all within the first 5 years of his career.

Both of these stories are drastically different but Ricky no longer smokes weed and Jared Allen has sworn off alcohol. If Ricky was given more support early on perhaps his road back to becoming a productive NFL player would have been much shorter. Ricky Williams had major depression and other issues so maybe TW or Fred Davis do too. For [B][U]TW to get busted 3 times all within a year and half of being drafted and for Davis to get busted a 3rd time during a contract year[/U][/B], to me suggest that maybe their bad decision making is because of bigger problems like depression or something else.[/quote]

wow that just blows my mind that you would sacrafice you career and money for puffin. Didnt Gibbs used to asign baby sitters to rookies?? I thought i remmeber reading somewhere that Gibbs used to have older trustworhty plaers assigned to some of the younger ones, that pretty much watched them 24 hrs a day, maybe that was George Allen,

Re: Report: Fred Davis, Trent Williams suspended four games
 

I am sorry, I know its a drug (and not one I use anymore) but should it really be a big deal? I know people say it is a gateway drug but tons of people use and then never move on to harder stuff right?

Re: Report: Fred Davis, Trent Williams suspended four games
 

Although I can see how maybe it indicates that he does not take his job seriously enough if he is not willing to give it up for a multi-million dollar job.

Re: Report: Fred Davis, Trent Williams suspended four games
 

[quote=Jontrem;866426]I am sorry, I know its a drug (and not one I use anymore) but should it really be a big deal? I know people say it is a gateway drug but tons of people use and then never move on to harder stuff right?[/quote]

Well, the big deal is for one thing, it's illegal. I work in a substance abuse facility full of clients who have lost their jobs, family, and other loved ones because of the addiction. But, aside from that, legal or not, it's against the drug policy of not only the team, but the league. So, if one is an NFL player, he's held at a very high standard. He's a role model whether if he likes it or not. Young kids and other fans are going to look up to him. These players need to keep their noses clean.

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Yeah, big deal or not, weed is still illegal. So until that changes, everyone needs to play by the rules. No excuse for these guys getting nailed 3 times. Pathetic.

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^ agreed

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TW came out of Longview,TX, down here that is a hot bed for illegal drugs.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;866446]Yeah, big deal or not, weed is still illegal. So until that changes, everyone needs to play by the rules. No excuse for these guys getting nailed 3 times. Pathetic.[/QUOTE]

I personally don't care about the legality issue. Weed is illegal but its safer and healthier than any meds, booze or cigarettes. Stupid NFL rule, sure. NBA is much more lax on it I think.

Nevertheless, the NFL rules are very clear. Morality and scientific arguments don't matter here. Rules are clear and smoking risks loss of millions of dollars for these guys. It is terribly stupid and irrational to continue a habit with that on the line. Especially since NFL players only have a few years to peak and make their money.

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[quote=Jontrem;866429]Although I can see how maybe it indicates that he does not take his job seriously enough if he is not willing to give it up for a multi-million dollar job.[/quote]

I'd give it up for good for only 40K or more per year.

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Looks like Fred Davis jersey just hit the market for $9.95. If you notice all the jerseys of former players are reduced to that amount.


Is Shanny trying to tell us something here? :cool-smil




j/k.....it's his old number.

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[quote=NC_Skins;866547][url=http://store.redskins.com/cart.php?m=product_list&c=165]Redskins Sale Jerseys at RedskinsTeamStore.com.[/url]


Looks like Fred Davis jersey just hit the market for $9.95. If you notice all the jerseys of former players are reduced to that amount.


Is Shanny trying to tell us something here? :cool-smil




j/k.....it's his old number.[/quote]

holy crap thats cheap!! and to be linked with mcnabb and haynesworth has got to be a message

[QUOTE=htownskinfan;866582]holy crap thats cheap!! and to be linked with mcnabb and haynesworth has got to be a message[/QUOTE]

Boy did you fail to see the entire post or what? Lol. It's his old jersey #83.

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[quote=mooby;866583]Boy did you fail to see the entire post or what? Lol. It's his old jersey #83.[/quote]

yes I did lol

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[quote=mooby;866583]Boy did you fail to see the entire post or what? Lol. It's his old jersey #83.[/quote]

His old number is 86.

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I really hope so. But if either gets busted again i think most of us would think theres a bigger issue here. Hopefully the Redskins take a deep look into it.



Id like to see Shanahan or Allen ask Davis and TW to submit to voluntary regular weekly drug tests that would be "off the record", as a form of hand holding. Sometimes just being able to say "i cant man, i got to take a drug test on Monday" can help you say no. And if either of them skip or fail then the Redskins can help them with what is likely a much bigger issue.

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[quote=mlmpetert;866600]I really hope so. But if either gets busted again i think most of us would think theres a bigger issue here. Hopefully the Redskins take a deep look into it.



Id like to see Shanahan or Allen ask Davis and TW to submit to voluntary regular weekly drug tests that would be "off the record", as a form of hand holding. Sometimes just being able to say "i cant man, i got to take a drug test on Monday" can help you say no. And if either of them skip or fail then the Redskins can help them with what is likely a much bigger issue.[/quote]

I'm not sure the players union would allow something like that... either way they are going to be subjected to random testing.

[QUOTE=diehard;866597]His old number is 86.[/QUOTE]

Yeah you're right. That's on me.

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[quote=Mattyk;866602]I'm not sure the players union would allow something like that... either way they are going to be subjected to random testing.[/quote]


Yeah its prob not allowed, i think Ricky Williams did something like that though. If i was Davis and wanted the best contract i would tell them that im doing it on my own and here are the results.

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What a Buzz-Killer. :pimp: