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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;871327]What about this scenario: Rams get the #1 pick but the Browns trade up to get Luck. Colts don't draft RGIII, does he fall to us? Do we pull the trigger? Also, if Michael Vick can become a great west coast QB I don't see why RGIII can't fit our system. I really don't think (and hope) especially with the success of Cam Newton that the Shannys are that stubborn that if they draft RGIII they won't tailor the system a bit to fit RGIII's skill set.[/quote]

I cant say this any clearer, if RG3 falls to us we should take him with no hesitation. RG3 is a fit in our offense.

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[quote=SkinzWin;871122]Or how about saying you are trading Fred Davis instead of Devin Thomas?[/quote]

I choose Devin Thomas because on draft day he was the Skins most valuable commodity. He also helps serve as a reminder that not all draft picks pan out so trading 5 early draft picks, while risky, doesn't necessarily mean you're drafting 5 starters.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;871394]I choose Devin Thomas because on draft day he was the Skins most valuable commodity. He also helps serve as a reminder that not all draft picks pan out so trading 5 early draft picks, while risky, doesn't necessarily mean you're drafting 5 starters.[/quote]

The idea of taking 5 talented young guys is all about power in numbers. It's a given that they'll be guys who don't pan out. If you take 10 or so young guys from every draft you'll end up with a more certain 3 to 4 hit average every year...that's why there should be a stress on selection quantity, especially when your depth is as shallow as ours.

If Luck miraculously falls to us then I'm all for it, otherwise we need all the draft value we can retain by staying pat with our pick...We're no longer that desperate team that needs to force things.

Hail To The Redskins!

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[quote=SkinzWin;871390]So basically you are saying players in every conference except the SEC sucks and can't be great in the NFL. I thought that was DirtBag's shtick?[/quote]


Nope, all I am saying is don't believe the hype!!!!!!! Every overhyped QB has not fulfilled the expectations and have struggled over the past decade. Even the phenom of 2011 Cam Newton can't get his team to win. Too many people on here always fixate on the overhyped QB, every year. My point is with Luck is that he torched the crappy Pac 10 teams, but got burnt by the really good ones. Luck would have fared the same in the Big Ten or the SEC. I am not knocking the Pac 10 at all. Most conferences this season only had 2-3 decent teams in them, including the SEC.

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To expand on my previous post, I want to ask the question as to why we think we bring in one guy, that the sky is going to part and we will win a Lombardi 2-3 years later? Our team is full of holes at the line and the defensive backfield. Depth at LB is also woefully inadequate. Also, how do we know that Luck won't turn out to be just average or God help us a new Shuler? To give up solid starters and/or picks for an unknown quantity is just plain stupid!!!

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[quote=Chico23231;871392]I cant say this any clearer, if RG3 falls to us we should take him with no hesitation. RG3 is a fit in our offense.[/quote]

So what you are saying is draft Nick Foles 1st round?

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[quote=SkinzWin;871390]So basically you are saying players in every conference except the SEC sucks and can't be great in the NFL. I thought that was DirtBag's shtick?[/quote]

I don't know what you done be talking bout. Everyone done knows if Andrew Luck played at a REAL school and not fancy schmancy country club that he might almost win one game. Ya'll want a QB boy I tell you what that Jarrett Lee boy is a winner. Sure it might look uglier then Atlanta after Sherman's march but he gets the job done. I mean, how many Pac-whatever QB's are in the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP game this year? I done put my case to bed with a warm glass of milk squeezed fresh from a cow.

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This is what I think about Andrew Luck. He's a great collegiate quarterback. He's one of the best that I've ever seen. The thing is this: how would he play in a more competitive conference like the BIG 10, BIG 12, or SEC? The defenses are far more competitive in those conferences as opposed to the PAC 10. How would he do against Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Texas, LSU, Auburn, or Alabama? My opinion is that whether Luck struggled against these defenses or not, they are far more better than the defenses from Washington, Washington St. Oregon, Oregon State, USC, Arizona, and Arizona St. And since Matt Barkley is a PAC 10 QB also, I'm bringing him into question also along with Luck.

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rg3 would make dan snyder a shit ton of coin and he would grace ever signature line of members of every skins fan forum.

i wouldnt give up 3 1st for luck. to me if you have to give up that much it seems it just wasnt meant to be. id probably do 2 1st if people/scouts i really trusted praised him as a once n a lifetime prospect.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;871404]I don't know what you done be talking bout. Everyone done knows if Andrew Luck played at a REAL school and not fancy schmancy country club that he might almost win one game. Ya'll want a QB boy I tell you what that Jarrett Lee boy is a winner. Sure it might look uglier then Atlanta after Sherman's march but he gets the job done. I mean, how many Pac-whatever QB's are in the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP game this year? I done put my case to bed with a warm glass of milk squeezed fresh from a cow.[/quote]

New Years party I see.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;871406]This is what I think about Andrew Luck. He's a great collegiate quarterback. He's one of the best that I've ever seen. The thing is this: how would he play in a more competitive conference like the BIG 10, BIG 12, or SEC? The defenses are far more competitive in those conferences as opposed to the PAC 10. How would he do against Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Texas, LSU, Auburn, or Alabama? My opinion is that whether Luck struggled against these defenses or not, they are far more better than the defenses from Washington, Washington St. Oregon, Oregon State, USC, Arizona, and Arizona St. And since Matt Barkley is a PAC 10 QB also, I'm bringing him into question also along with Luck.[/quote]

Big 12 defenses are not great by any means and there is no Pac 10.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;871429]Big 12 defenses are not great by any means and there is no Pac 10.[/quote]

The addition of Utah and Colorado to the PAC conference is pretty insignificant.

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MS did an interview where he was asked about Luck and what the going price for him could be (3 first round picks) and MS brought up the trade for Gruden, all the 1st round picks and 2nd round picks and he basically said that when he ran into Gruden he said to him "no disrespect but your not worth it". He was saying no way would he ruin a teams future by throwing away all their draft picks.

So I'm guessing if he feels a HC is not worth that then a QB would not either.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;871429]Big 12 defenses are not great by any means and there is no Pac 10.[/quote]

Woah now. The Big 12 does have some great defenses. Sure you have teams like Baylor and Kansas who can't stop anyone, but every conference has teams that have bad defenses. Pac 12 too. You have bad defenses like Washington State, Colorado, and Washington but Oregons a great defense, as is USC, Stanford, Cal.

So you really can't pull out that card to these QB's if they play in a BCS conference, because they all go against good and bad defenses. The defenses RGIII goes against is probably easier than what Andrew Luck goes against. Its the QB's like Case Keenum, or MAC QB's, or WAC QB's, or other Conference USA QB's that you should put up that 'they don't go against go defenses' argument.

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Luck and Blackmon showcase tomorrow nite

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[quote=CultBrennan59;871433]Woah now. The Big 12 does have some great defenses. Sure you have teams like Baylor and Kansas who can't stop anyone, but every conference has teams that have bad defenses. Pac 12 too. You have bad defenses like Washington State, Colorado, and Washington but Oregons a great defense, as is USC, Stanford, Cal.

So you really can't pull out that card to these QB's if they play in a BCS conference, because they all go against good and bad defenses. The defenses RGIII goes against is probably easier than what Andrew Luck goes against. Its the QB's like Case Keenum, or MAC QB's, or WAC QB's, or other Conference USA QB's that you should put up that 'they don't go against go defenses' argument.[/quote]

Sure all conferences have bad D but in regards to the defense the Big 12 usually puts out there it has been way down.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;872038]Luck and Blackmon showcase tomorrow nite[/quote]

I'm sure someone has to something to say...

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[quote=diehard;872561]I'm sure someone has to something to say...[/quote]

yeah, they both looked great.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;871406]This is what I think about Andrew Luck. He's a great collegiate quarterback. He's one of the best that I've ever seen. The thing is this: how would he play in a more competitive conference like the BIG 10, BIG 12, or SEC? The defenses are far more competitive in those conferences as opposed to the PAC 10. How would he do against Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Texas, LSU, Auburn, or Alabama? My opinion is that whether Luck struggled against these defenses or not, they are far more better than the defenses from Washington, Washington St. Oregon, Oregon State, USC, Arizona, and Arizona St. And since Matt Barkley is a PAC 10 QB also, I'm bringing him into question also along with Luck.[/quote]

So how do you think he looked against OKS? He looked fantastic, made great decision especially when being blitzed, the poise to find a receiver within seconds, rolling out and passing on both sides of the field. The guy is the real deal, it also helps that he has an outstanding OL. Martin and DeCastro are future pro bowlers and I would love to get either one.

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My neighbor emailed an nfldraftscout guy, and asked him "if you were the redskins would you give up 3 first rounders to get luck?"

He responded "...maybe even four"

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I still can't believe that Shaw (Stanford coach) elected to runoff the clock and let a freshman kicker win the game. Luck moved the ball up and down the field all night and Stanford had a high redzone scoring avg. If you have Luck on your team, use him instead of a freshman kicker. Bonehead move by Shaw in my opinion.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;872921]I still can't believe that Shaw (Stanford coach) elected to runoff the clock and let a freshman kicker win the game. Luck moved the ball up and down the field all night and Stanford had a high redzone scoring avg. If you have Luck on your team, use him instead of a freshman kicker. Bonehead move by Shaw in my opinion.[/quote]

Agreed

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Not that this should be anything new, but ESPN just ran a piece on andrew Luck and Peyton Manning as to if they can co-exist, and interviewed a bunch of analysts, mostly former players, they all pretty much said the same thing which is you must draft luck, and keep manning.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;872967]Not that this should be anything new, but ESPN just ran a piece on andrew Luck and Peyton Manning as to if they can co-exist, and interviewed a bunch of analysts, mostly former players, they all pretty much said the same thing which is you must draft luck, and keep manning.[/quote]

The Colts could try and trade down and get a Tannehill(or what "development QB they want) plus picks for the number one. That way Manning can play a year or two, while a guy like Tannehill sits. Not as much pressure on Tannehill to play as there would be with Luck. Use the picks for one last run with Peyton.

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[quote=NM Redskin;872971]The Colts could try and trade down and get a Tannehill(or what "development QB they want) plus picks for the number one. That way Manning can play a year or two, while a guy like Tannehill sits. Not as much pressure on Tannehill to play as there would be with Luck. Use the picks for one last run with Peyton.[/quote]

True dat. But then again, Peyton may be just one hit from retirement. The Colts may not have a year or two to groom someone else.

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I just want Andrew Luck. If he's our guy, and we all like him, lets just give up what we need to to get him.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;873637]I just want Andrew Luck. If he's our guy, and we all like him, lets just give up what we need to to get him.[/quote]

You have to convince the colts first.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;873637]I just want Andrew Luck. If he's our guy, and we all like him, lets just give up what we need to to get him.[/quote]

The Future is Now
It can also be mortgaged.
:doh:

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;873647]You have to convince the colts first.[/quote]

Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

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Ok instead of creating a new thread, this is pretty much reiterating the question, but

If your the Colts new GM, and you have a QB that is a proven HOFer but with uncertain health, and you have the first pick to get the next 'future HOF' player what would make you give up that first overall pick. Keep in mind Robert Mathis, Reggie Wayne, Jeff Saturday, and Pierre Garcon are potential Free Agents, so you may have holes at DE, C, WR, right there. What would make you give up your first overall pick to the redskins? Take off your wishful redskins caps and put on your 'colts fan/gm' caps.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;873657]Ok instead of creating a new thread, this is pretty much reiterating the question, but

If your the Colts new GM, and you have a QB that is a proven HOFer but with uncertain health, and you have the first pick to get the next 'future HOF' player what would make you give up that first overall pick. Keep in mind Robert Mathis, Reggie Wayne, Jeff Saturday, and Pierre Garcon are potential Free Agents, so you may have holes at DE, C, WR, right there. What would make you give up your first overall pick to the redskins? Take off your wishful redskins caps and put on your 'colts fan/gm' caps.[/quote]

Because finding a franchise QB is hard to do, it would have to make the Herschel Walker trade look like a minor swap.

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[quote=Lotus;873660]Because finding a franchise QB is hard to do, it would have to make the Herschel Walker trade look like a minor swap.[/quote]

This. Sorry, but I think the asking price will be well out of our league, no pun intended. I do wish the rams could have pulled out the shittiest record though. Then, all bets are off, and many more options would have presented themselves.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;873657]Ok instead of creating a new thread, this is pretty much reiterating the question, but

If your the Colts new GM, and you have a QB that is a proven HOFer but with uncertain health, and you have the first pick to get the next 'future HOF' player what would make you give up that first overall pick. Keep in mind Robert Mathis, Reggie Wayne, Jeff Saturday, and Pierre Garcon are potential Free Agents, so you may have holes at DE, C, WR, right there. What would make you give up your first overall pick to the redskins? Take off your wishful redskins caps and put on your 'colts fan/gm' caps.[/quote]

Nothing. I cut ties with Manning, draft Luck and move forward. Too much money and risk tied up in Manning at this point. Luck is the surest thing out there. Only the Cowboys have been able to capitalize on the "get a buttload of picks" scenario and make it work. Remember when we got the Saints entire draft? How did that work for us? Two number one picks in 2000? Again, how did that turn out?

It's the 'show-mo-no' theory. Never leave show money for mo money cause you may end up with no money! Andrew Luck is show money. A bunch of picks is mo money. You get all of those picks and squander them, you regret the trade for a decade, no money.

Manning and Luck won't be on the same roster, either Manning forces his release by not deferring his bonus or the Luck camp forces a trade to somewhere he can start from day one.

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[quote=Lotus;873660]Because finding a franchise QB is hard to do, it would have to make the Herschel Walker trade look like a minor swap.[/quote]

True, but at the same time, that trade was crazy back then, but today the way teams value picks, that trade would be insane! Can't remember how many players & picks were involved. I'm thinking the asking price for LUck, if there is one, might be more top heavy, 1st & 2nds mainly.

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Indy is going to draft Andrew Luck, no doubt about it. They know Manning is probably finished, and I think deep down inside, Manning probably knows it himself. If the Colts already had their replacement QB in place, then it would make plenty of sense for them to trade down and pick up a bunch of first and second round picks. But, in this situation, I would say there is a .000001% chance the Colts trade out of #1. But then again, crazier things have happened on draft day.

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Did I hear correctly that the Colts new GM comes from the Eagles? Maybe the new GM will want to build the Dream Team II in Indy. LOL.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;873657]Ok instead of creating a new thread, this is pretty much reiterating the question, but

If your the Colts new GM, and you have a QB that is a proven HOFer but with uncertain health, and you have the first pick to get the next 'future HOF' player what would make you give up that first overall pick. Keep in mind Robert Mathis, Reggie Wayne, Jeff Saturday, and Pierre Garcon are potential Free Agents, so you may have holes at DE, C, WR, right there. What would make you give up your first overall pick to the redskins? Take off your wishful redskins caps and put on your 'colts fan/gm' caps.[/quote]

Assuming a good report on Mannings progress:

I'd consider trading this pick if the price is right.
1. Luck is no given.
2. Manning is one of the best QBs ever.
3. You need have alot of holes on your team.
4. You've got a really good shot at the SB in each of the next 3-4 years w/ PM and the extra draft picks. If you draft Luck, you might have a good qb on a bad team for a few years.

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[quote=Ruhskins;874944]Did I hear correctly that the Colts new GM comes from the Eagles? Maybe the new GM will want to build the Dream Team II in Indy. LOL.[/quote]

Well, actually he was responsible for their college player evaluation primarily. Will be interesting if the Colts adopt the same accumulate many draft picks philosophy the Eagles had. The Colts certainly need talent.

Louis Riddick is the Eagles "dream team architect" so to speak. Riddick, of course, was one of the worst FO executives here in Washington...yet no one ever speaks of that

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If I'm the new GM in Indy, I'm drafting Luck, however, i'll listen to offers if there is one that makes me have to think twice. What would make me think twice? When a team offers me at least 3 first rounders. At least 3 firsts and either a combination of picks and players and/or a fourth first rounder. The price will indeed be steep. But, if he's your guy and you MUST have him; Get Him!

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Andrew Luck & Oliver Luck = Todd Marinovich & Daddy Marinovich

I can smell a bust coming.