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Interesting take:

John: Greetings from China!* What is your take on Darrell Green returning to the Skins to coach the secondary?* Do you think he is serious?* Do you think Shanahan would welcome him?* What would be the fallout with the fans if he didn’t?

Allen

Allen: I’ll answer very loudly so you can hear me over there (it’s what my grandmother used to do on long distance calls). Sorry, bad schtick. *As for Darrell, I have a hard time believing he’s serious. If he was, he’d call the organization, offer to work his way up and then put himself in a position to be a secondary coach someday. Can’t decide on a whim to do this job. I wonder if Darrell has too many things going on in his life with his foundation to commit to the 16-18 hour days that it takes to be a pro coach. One reason Marty Schottenheimer wondered about him when he first arrived was because Darrell talked more about his off-field interests than the game itself. I like Darrell, but I have a hard time seeing this one happen. Would his wisdom help? Absolutely. My guess is Darrell would be happier working with guys one on one in the offseason than going through the grind of not just a season but the entire year. The guy has a lot to offer as a Hall of Famer. But I would not hire him to be a secondary coach without any experience that proves he’s a good coach and not just a former great player. We know he could play. Can he coach in the NFL? How would anyone know? There should be zero fallout over this; wouldn’t be fair to Shanahan.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: [url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2012/01/redskins-mailbag-ask-john/2070126#ixzz1ivBF6y1z]Redskins Mailbag: Ask John | John Keim | NFL | Washington Examiner[/url]

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^ I agree with the the Allen character. Could he be a really good position coach? yes, cause he has proven he can worth with other athletes and train them up as he did with Bailey and Fred Smoot. Maybe if nothing else Green could be hired to work with the DB's in the off season at Redskins park. Give them an off season program to develope their Skills at least for the young guys.

Any chance we can pay Jerry Rice to come in and work with the WR in the offseason? Maybe give both Green and Rice as Assistants. Between Green working with our young DB's and Rice working with the WR's and giving them a work out routine they would have to be 100x better then they were last year.

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I keep hearing about Darrell Green's "leadership", but from what I gather, his teammates weren't that fond of him due to his "me" personality. I seriously doubt he'd make a good coach because I'm quite positive he still holds that type of "me" attitude.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;873584]Mike tice named OC in Chicago.[/quote]

Around the NFL, Mike Tice's nickname is "Meathead". No one who calls him that means it in any offensive sense; Tice takes no offense...

However, I would like to point out that having a "Meathead" as your team's offensive coordinator might not be the best way to go...

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Hall of Fame caliber players tend not to make good - - let alone great - - coaches. There are exceptions to be sure, but the percentages are small. In basketball Bill Russell and Billy Cunningham were exceptions.

In the NFL there have been more than a few Hall of Fame players who tried to make it in the coaching ranks with little if any success. These are off the top of my head so I am sure someone can come up with a more extensive list if they want to make the point:

Otto Graham
Bart Starr
Art Shell
Norm Van Brocklin
Forrest Gregg
Mike Singletary


MIke Ditka had success in Chicago but not so much in New Orleans...

Jury is still out on Mike Munchak...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;873977][url]https://twitter.com/#!/McClain_on_NFL/status/156095752244965377[/url][/quote]


Why are idiots still considering Wade Phillips for a head coaching position? Wade Phillips and Norv Turner should never ever ever be allowed to be head coaches again. (at least in the NFL) They are two of the best guys at their respective coordinator positions but absolutely suck balls as a head coach.

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[quote=Mattyk;874062]Interesting take:

John: Greetings from China!* What is your take on Darrell Green returning to the Skins to coach the secondary?* Do you think he is serious?* Do you think Shanahan would welcome him?* What would be the fallout with the fans if he didn’t?

Allen

Allen: I’ll answer very loudly so you can hear me over there (it’s what my grandmother used to do on long distance calls). Sorry, bad schtick. *As for Darrell, I have a hard time believing he’s serious. If he was, he’d call the organization, offer to work his way up and then put himself in a position to be a secondary coach someday. [B]Can’t decide on a whim to do this job. I wonder if Darrell has too many things going on in his life with his foundation to commit to the 16-18 hour days that it takes to be a pro coach.[/B] One reason Marty Schottenheimer wondered about him when he first arrived was because Darrell talked more about his off-field interests than the game itself. I like Darrell, but I have a hard time seeing this one happen. Would his wisdom help? Absolutely. My guess is Darrell would be happier working with guys one on one in the offseason than going through the grind of not just a season but the entire year. The guy has a lot to offer as a Hall of Famer. But I would not hire him to be a secondary coach without any experience that proves he’s a good coach and not just a former great player. We know he could play. Can he coach in the NFL? How would anyone know? There should be zero fallout over this; wouldn’t be fair to Shanahan.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: [url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2012/01/redskins-mailbag-ask-john/2070126#ixzz1ivBF6y1z]Redskins Mailbag: Ask John | John Keim | NFL | Washington Examiner[/url][/quote]

Hehehehe whenever I hear the 18 hr day bit coming out of badly coached teams the belly laughs won't stop. How [I]does[/I] a coaching staff work 18 hours a day all week and then forget when to call timeouts, or manage the tempo on offense, or adjust the scheme, or have an idea of what he's challenging on a play, or...

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[quote=The Goat;874130]Hehehehe whenever I hear the 18 hr day bit coming out of badly coached teams the belly laughs won't stop. How [I]does[/I] a coaching staff work 18 hours a day all week and then forget when to call timeouts, or manage the tempo on offense, or adjust the scheme, or have an idea of what he's challenging on a play, or...[/quote]Not enough sleep.

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[quote=GTripp0012;874146]Not enough sleep.[/quote]

:lol:

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[quote=NC_Skins;874095]I keep hearing about Darrell Green's "leadership", but from what I gather, his teammates weren't that fond of him due to his "me" personality. I seriously doubt he'd make a good coach because I'm quite positive he still holds that type of "me" attitude.[/quote]

My sister used to attend ken harveys church, and Darrell Green was there one sunday. They all ended up going out to lunch together, as my sister coordinates the usage of facilities at an area high school by a bunch of ex redskins and some current ones that hold some type of camp there each summer. (that was her "foot in" I suppose) She ended up getting both of their autographs for me on a napkin........a frikkin napkin, but anyways......

She told me that Darrell Green was the center of the conversation the entire time, on top of being very loud. She also said that Ken Harvey was the nicest man she has possibly EVER had the oppurtunity to meet.

It seems to me that he isnt really serious about the idea. If he were, then Im sure his connections at Redskins park could get him in to an actual meeting about having some type of interaction with our team or our secondary, whatever level it may be. Its not something you just comment about on twitter, and then "POOF", you are a positions coach. He was just typing, possibly frustrated and worried about the direction of our secondary, which any real fan should be.

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[quote=The Goat;874130]Hehehehe whenever I hear the 18 hr day bit coming out of badly coached teams the belly laughs won't stop. How [I]does[/I] a coaching staff work 18 hours a day all week and then forget when to call timeouts, or manage the tempo on offense, or adjust the scheme, or have an idea of what he's challenging on a play, or...[/quote]

1 hr- weight lifting
1 hr- physical practice
30 min- shower/change cloths
1 hr- rehabing/soaking
1 hr- lunch
6 hr- film study
6 hr- game planning
1 hr- physical practice
30 min- shower/change cloths

LOL. Oh... I forgot the game room....

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I have read other reports that Ken Harvey is like....Gold and that DG is the EGO. Naturally this leads to conflicting reports of Matty's.....origin?

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care to elaborate? Not quite getting what you mean..., are you referring to his avatar?

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[quote=The Goat;874130]Hehehehe whenever I hear the 18 hr day bit coming out of badly coached teams the belly laughs won't stop. How [I]does[/I] a coaching staff work 18 hours a day all week and then forget when to call timeouts, or manage the tempo on offense, or adjust the scheme, or have an idea of what he's challenging on a play, or...[/quote]

They're human just like everyone else.

How do we only work 8 hours a day and still manage to F things up time to time?

It happens.

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Romeo Crennel to become the permanent Chiefs HC per multiple Twitter sources.

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Todd Haley may be returning to Arizona as OC

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[quote=Mattyk;874184]They're human just like everyone else.

How do we only work 8 hours a day and still manage to F things up time to time?

It happens.[/quote]

Indeed...I was being cynical.

Still I would say from my own experiences...when the going gets tough at work, for whatever reason, it's not helpful to tell the boss, client or whomever that you're working extra hours. I think it comes across as whiny. Not that Bruce was trying to play that card IMO, but it can still sound that way.

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[quote=The Goat;874243]Indeed...I was being cynical.

Still I would say from my own experiences...when the going gets tough at work, for whatever reason, it's not helpful to tell the boss, client or whomever that you're working extra hours. I think it comes across as whiny. Not that Bruce was trying to play that card IMO, but it can still sound that way.[/quote]

Bruce Allen? What does he have to do with it?

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OMG, my beloved 2nd favorite team (Bucks) will be interviewing Marty Schottenheimer Tues.....
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/09/bucs-to-interview-marty-schottenheimer/]Bucs to interview Marty Schottenheimer | ProFootballTalk[/url]

for their HCing vacancy. I'd be in total bliss, Mike Shanahan here, Marty Schottenheimer with the Bucks.

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[quote=SmootSmack;874253]Bruce Allen? What does he have to do with it?[/quote]

I thought it was Bruce Allen making the 18 hr word day comment? Regardless...we get the point.

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[quote=SBXVII;874283]OMG, my beloved 2nd favorite team (Bucks) will be interviewing Marty Schottenheimer Tues.....
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/09/bucs-to-interview-marty-schottenheimer/]Bucs to interview Marty Schottenheimer | ProFootballTalk[/url]

for their HCing vacancy. I'd be in total bliss, Mike Shanahan here, Marty Schottenheimer with the Bucks.[/quote]

I love Marty as a coach but I'm not sure he's so good that he can translate his success in football to a career coaching Bogut and friends in the NBA :D

Still the guy deserves a shot. All he does is win.

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As we figured.... Crennel signs with KC.
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/09/romeo-crennel-agrees-to-three-year-deal-as-chiefs-head-coach/]Romeo Crennel agrees to three-year deal as Chiefs’ head coach | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=SBXVII;874287]As we figured.... Crennel signs with KC.
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/09/romeo-crennel-agrees-to-three-year-deal-as-chiefs-head-coach/]Romeo Crennel agrees to three-year deal as Chiefs’ head coach | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

I think it's a deserved opportunity for Romeo. The Chiefs have some real potential.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;874286]I love Marty as a coach but I'm not sure he's so good that he can translate his success in football to a career coaching Bogut and friends in the NBA :D

Still the guy deserves a shot. All he does is win.[/quote]

I figure he might pull a Shanahan and try to bring his son with him in hopes that later he can retire again and his son can take over. Hey his only draw back was his lack of winning a SB. Hey he's got a winning record and sooner or later with a winning record you have a better chance of getting there.

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[quote=The Goat;874288]I think it's a deserved opportunity for Romeo. The Chiefs have some real potential.[/quote]

I can't even remember what happened in his last HCing job or where he was? was it with the Raiders? IDK.

I always thought he was pretty good also.

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[quote=SBXVII;874301]I can't even remember what happened in his last HCing job or where he was? was it with the Raiders? IDK.

I always thought he was pretty good also.[/quote]

He was with the Browns I believe.

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[quote=Ruhskins;874303]He was with the Browns I believe.[/quote]

Yes thats right.

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[quote=The Goat;874285]I thought it was Bruce Allen making the 18 hr word day comment? Regardless...we get the point.[/quote]

Ah yeah. Wasn't him

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No one works an 18 hour day. They may spend 18 hours in the office but no one works for 18 hours.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;874331]No one works an 18 hour day. They may spend 18 hours in the office but no one works for 18 hours.[/quote]I know Mrs. Joe Gibbs would argue with you ,some other who have been accused of the 18 hr day ....Belicheck,Parcells,Dan Reeves ,Bill Walsh...etc.

[QUOTE=SBXVII;874283]OMG, my beloved 2nd favorite team (Bucks) will be interviewing Marty Schottenheimer Tues.....
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/09/bucs-to-interview-marty-schottenheimer/]Bucs to interview Marty Schottenheimer | ProFootballTalk[/url]

for their HCing vacancy. I'd be in total bliss, Mike Shanahan here, Marty Schottenheimer with the Bucks.[/QUOTE]

U do know it's the bucs not bucks right? :)

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[quote=Giantone;874333]I know Mrs. Joe Cibbs would argue with you ,some other who have been accused of the 18 hr day ....Belicheck,Parcells,Dan Reeves ,Bill Walsh...etc.[/quote]

Ahh...I miss the Cibbs era

I take it you didn't really read what Dirtbag wrote

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[quote=Giantone;874333]I know Mrs. Joe Cibbs would argue with you ,some other who have been accused of the 18 hr day ....Belicheck,Parcells[/quote]

It's just not physiologically possible. Sure maybe you could pull it off for a day or two but to actually work for 18 hours over a significant period of time your mind would go insane if for nothing more then due to the fact that you're really getting 5.5 hours of sleep a night. The side effects of sleep deprivation are not unlike that of being drunk.

I had friends in the military that were trained in field exercises to deal with sleep deprivation during battle and a lot of them got to the point where they were hallucinating (one story involved a solider talking to a tree). Of course they were getting 1 hour of sleep a day but the point remains the same.

The body can not function properly without a reasonable amount of sleep. So to suggest that a human being could pull off 18 hour day after 18 hour day after 18 hour day of straight work, [B]meaning little if any sitting around and day dreaming[/B], isn't possible. It's like suggesting you could sprint a marathon.

I got to tour my Uncles office who was a partner at one of the Big 4 accounting firms when I was in college. You know what I saw? A lot of people staring aimlessly at computer screens with ESPN on screen, stretching, pacing, socializing, everything but actually working. I'm not saying these people don't work hard, God knows they do, or that their job is easy but when you break down the actual amount of time spent working you end up with a lot less then the inflated hours that really amount to time spent at the office.

Productivity studies back me up on this.
[url=http://pennyhaw.wordpress.com/2011/11/20/the-longer-you-work-the-more-productive-you-are-not-so-say-experts/]The longer you work, the more productive you are? Not so, say experts | pennyhaw[/url]

[url=http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/]Productivity and the Workweek - shorter hours[/url]

[url=http://cmdept.unl.edu/drb/Reading/overtime2.htm]Effects of Scheduled Overtime on Labor Productivity[/url]


[quote]With respect to the loss of efficiency as a function of the number of hours per day and the number of days per week, the literature provides strange and largely unbelievable results. The results from the southeastern Michigan NECA study (Overtime 1969) and as reported in Qualified Contractor (Howerton 1969) both show losses of efficiency as the length of the workday increases and as more days per week are worked. [B]These data suggest that the six-day week is about 7% (absolute) more efficient than the seven-day week. The 10 hr workday compared to a 9 hr workday results in a loss of efficiency of about 4% (absolute). The 12 hr day results in a loss of efficiency of another 7-8% (absolute).[/B][/quote]

Anyway theres no doubt that guys like Shanahan put in more work then the average American. However that 18 hour day is probably more likely a 10 to 12 hour day of actual work which is still higher then your average grunt working an 8 hour day and putting in 5 to 6 hours of work.

[url=http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/043010-ibm-smarter-building-study.html]Time spent waiting for elevators? 16 years for NYC office workers[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;874336]Ahh...I miss the Cibbs era

I take it you didn't really read what Dirtbag wrote[/quote]


lol...smart ass .

Yeah I read it but there are plenty of rumors that these guys would do just that ....everyday no but during the week yes once or twice a week during the season..According to anyone who was ever a Marine ....you can function on 2 hours of sleep a day.

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[quote=Giantone;874345]lol...smart ass .

Yeah I read it but there are plenty of rumors that these guys would do just that ....everyday no but during the week yes once or twice a week during the season..[B]According to anyone who was ever a Marine ....you can function on 2 hours of sleep a day.[/B][/quote]

Those guys are insane, but they make for great stories when they talk about the training they go through, particularly the sleep deprivation field exercises.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;874334]U do know it's the bucs not bucks right? :)

Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk[/quote]

Yes, I typed too fast. Sorry. I was excited.

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Dirtbag59,

I can remember a whole summer of only getting 3 to 4 hrs of sleep a night 5 days a week. Then I would sleep in on Sat and Sun only to do it all over again.

To this day I sometimes still do it. Not all summer but I have found that as long as I get the same amount of sleep a night I'm ok but if I change up every night 4 hrs, then 6 hrs, then 3 hrs, then 5 hrs I'm more dogged then if I do 4 nights of 4 hrs of sleep.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;874331]No one works an 18 hour day. They may spend 18 hours in the office but no one works for 18 hours.[/quote]

Especially Steve Spurrier, hell I don't even think he worked an 8 hour day.

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[quote=SBXVII;874283]OMG, my beloved 2nd favorite team (Bucks) will be interviewing Marty Schottenheimer Tues.....
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/09/bucs-to-interview-marty-schottenheimer/]Bucs to interview Marty Schottenheimer | ProFootballTalk[/url]

for their HCing vacancy. I'd be in total bliss, Mike Shanahan here, Marty Schottenheimer with the Bucks.[/quote]

Stupid fans. Cursed stadium. Not much to like about them pirates.

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Raiders fire Hue Jackson sorry no link