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[quote=SkinzWin;880068]I am fairly confident the main reason was in Miami Fisher would have been taking orders from Jeff Ireland, where as in St. Louis he was given the keys to the city with personnel decisions.[/quote]

That's what I heard.

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[quote=tryfuhl;880071]Lol did you edit a team out or am I tripping?[/quote]

It wasn't my post u quoted haha so I'm unfortunately gonna have to say the later. The offseason does that to people and luckily your amongst friends who won't judge....much.

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[quote=cpayne5;880010]I was surprised at how critical he was of Rex. Somewhat refreshing. I came away from the interview feeling a lot better about Kyle Shanahan.

My favorite quote - "He kept both teams in most games."[/quote]

I thought the most interesting thing he said was when he described Helu as a change of pace back. I thought he looked like more then that.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;880074]Switching back to a 3-4 now would be retarded. Haslet is not going anywhere so let him get the last few pieces he needs for his side of the ball before we scrape this D. They were significantly better this year then last, and they will get better. No reason to go back now.

The more I think about Rak, I think he should be shopped. He may not be the right fit for an OLB in a 3-4. He really fell off this year even though we upgraded the whole unit.

If he is a piece we can part with to get a QB then I am all for it. We can find another player who plays as well as him quicker then we will find another QB we really like.[/quote]

I'll start by saying that I'm a huge Rak fan. I love the fact that he hates losing, he is a competitor and I think he likes being a Skin. However, the thing that bothers me most is he gets stood up so easily and seems so limited in his moves. I don't get why he hasn't shown improvement this year.

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[quote=SBXVII;880069]IDK. VTSkins brought something different to this ... "get QB or I'm turning in my fan card" comments. He mentions he'd like to see the Skins (yet again make a change after 2 yrs) go back to a 4-3, but funny someone would want that when our defense was not the problem last year and they even played better then the year before.[/quote]

Funny how this is a thread started about us possibly getting Andrew Luck or Sam Bradford, then it changes to the possibility of us going back to a 4-3 defense...

If people have thoughts about other topics, then they should post those topics in the proper thread, these threads gets so big to the point where theres so many off topic posts and pages to read that you just end up skimming through some of the important posts.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;880074]Switching back to a 3-4 now would be retarded. Haslet is not going anywhere so let him get the last few pieces he needs for his side of the ball before we scrape this D. They were significantly better this year then last, and they will get better. No reason to go back now.

The more I think about Rak, I think he should be shopped. He may not be the right fit for an OLB in a 3-4. He really fell off this year even though we upgraded the whole unit.

If he is a piece we can part with to get a QB then I am all for it. We can find another player who plays as well as him quicker then we will find another QB we really like.[/quote]

We are in a 3-4 now.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;880082]We are in a 3-4 now.[/quote]

I'm quite positive he meant 4-3. I'm assuming he did anyways or I at least gave him the benefit of the doubt.

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[quote=celts32;880079]I thought the most interesting thing he said was when he described Helu as a change of pace back. I thought he looked like more then that.[/quote]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/862810-post34.html[/url]

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[quote=SBXVII;880069]IDK. VTSkins brought something different to this ... "get QB or I'm turning in my fan card" comments. He mentions he'd like to see the Skins (yet again make a change after 2 yrs) go back to a 4-3, but funny someone would want that when our defense was not the problem last year and they even played better then the year before.[/quote]

I'm not implying that we should switch back for the sake of switching back. I'm saying I would want us to switch back to a 4-3 before trading Orakpo. Both would not be good. I'm totally against trading Orakpo. I think that Orakpo will continue to improve as an OLB.

The defense has improved but in my humble opinion we should have never gone to a 3-4. Now that we have we should try to ride it out at least 2 more years before making any real judgement on it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;880085][url]http://www.thewarpath.net/862810-post34.html[/url][/quote]

Haha...I remember that post. I didn't really believe it at the time but I do now after hearing Kyle on Friday. His description of the RB's seemed to me like the one portion of the interview where he was being completely honest and not worrying about tipping his hand. I liked his comment on Hank also...seems like they are still real high on him.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;880074]Switching back to a 3-4 now would be retarded. Haslet is not going anywhere so let him get the last few pieces he needs for his side of the ball before we scrape this D. They were significantly better this year then last, and they will get better. No reason to go back now.

The more I think about Rak, I think he should be shopped. He may not be the right fit for an OLB in a 3-4. He really fell off this year even though we upgraded the whole unit.

If he is a piece we can part with to get a QB then I am all for it. We can find another player who plays as well as him quicker then we will find another QB we really like.[/quote]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

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[quote=GridIron26;880028]Not exactly... Even Irsay said that this QB duo can be compared to Manning & Leaf draft. Everybody thought Leaf is destined to stardom, just like Manning was.. If Shanny passes Griffin on through draft and then Griffin turned out to be a bust - Shanny will be genius. It is better to wait and see what Shanny's plan is and how it turns out before we call for his head, or name calling in this situation.[/quote]

I think it compares more to Manning and Rivers. And besides I don't see RGIII during the interview process telling teams that he'll be going to Vegas with his buddies after he signs his rookie deal.

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I think what it boils down to is the QB we draft whether it be Tannehill, Foles, RGIII, Luck can they be = or > Matt Schaub. That was Kyle's QB in Houston and their offense was pretty good their defense just sucked. Yes they had Foster and Johnson but let me make the comparison. I think we can all agree that we have two good RBs in Roy Helu and Evan Royster. If we bring back Hightower (which I doubt if we want to draft Rainey) that's 3 good RBs. Combined they can equal or surpass Foster's production. TE play we have them beat as either Cooley or Davis > Owen Daniels in my book. Now it boils down to Andre Johnson. Can Hankerson be that guy? Maybe. Do we draft Blackmon? Possibly but that is they way I break it down with the development of the offense.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;880090]I think what it boils down to is the QB we draft whether it be Tannehill, Foles, RGIII, Luck can they be = or > Matt Schaub. That was Kyle's QB in Houston and their offense was pretty good their defense just sucked. Yes they had Foster and Johnson but let me make the comparison. I think we can all agree that we have two good RBs in Roy Helu and Evan Royster. If we bring back Hightower (which I doubt if we want to draft Rainey) that's 3 good RBs. Combined they can equal or surpass Foster's production. TE play we have them beat as either Cooley or Davis > Owen Daniels in my book. Now it boils down to Andre Johnson. Can Hankerson be that guy? Maybe. Do we draft Blackmon? Possibly but that is they way I break it down with the development of the offense.[/quote]

The Redskins need to draft two rookie QBs. We are very unset at the quarterback position. We not only need to upgrade the starting QB position, but the back up position as well. I like Jonathan Crompton, as he has developed from off of the practice squad all of last season. But don't be surprise if the Redskins draft both RG3 and Weeden in April. If not that, then RG3 and Kellen Moore.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;880091]The Redskins need to draft two rookie QBs. We are very unset at the quarterback position. We not only need to upgrade the starting QB position, but the back up position as well. I like Jonathan Crompton, as he has developed from off of the practice squad all of last season. But don't be surprise if the Redskins draft both RG3 and Weeden in April. If not that, then RG3 and Kellen Moore.[/quote]

That isn't going to happen. (spending two high round picks on QBs) I wouldn't want them to either. One rookie QB is sufficient. You need somebody with experience that can step in if something happens to the starter in the season. Besides, Mike ran with only 2 QBs last season so having 2 rookies is definitely a no-go in my book.

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SmootSmack, by no means do I or did I mean any disrespect. I know it sounds bad with me saying "I call BS". I usually stay away from calling people out and am not trying to call you out now. You've eluded to where you work and I'm sure if not positive you have inside information which is why I respect what you have to say. I listen. I do believe that your info was from a reliable source/sources. My point before was I think the Skins organization is passing bogus info and could even be contacting the other teams just to throw everyone off. If checked and double checked it will show there is something to the rumors cause people will be people and spill the beans. I was not trying to call you out but it seems that way and I'm usually a fan who hates it when others do that. Again I was not calling you out, I was calling the information out. I think the Skins are putting a lot of disinformation out there to throw everyone off what they are intending to do.

Again no disrespect I have valued your information in the past and will enjoy your information in the future. Thank you for all you do for this site and the rest of us.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;880091]The Redskins need to draft two rookie QBs. We are very unset at the quarterback position. We not only need to upgrade the starting QB position, but the back up position as well. I like Jonathan Crompton, as he has developed from off of the practice squad all of last season. But don't be surprise if the Redskins draft both RG3 and Weeden in April. If not that, then RG3 and Kellen Moore.[/quote]

A high round and a late round QB are not out of the question. I'd be happy if we did this. That said, it would be hard to get RGIII and Weeden since they both should go relatively high.

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[quote=SBXVII;880097]SmootSmack, by no means do I or did I mean any disrespect. I know it sounds bad with me saying "I call BS". I usually stay away from calling people out and am not trying to call you out now. You've eluded to where you work and I'm sure if not positive you have inside information which is why I respect what you have to say. I listen. I do believe that your info was from a reliable source/sources. My point before was I think the Skins organization is passing bogus info and could even be contacting the other teams just to throw everyone off. If checked and double checked it will show there is something to the rumors cause people will be people and spill the beans. I was not trying to call you out but it seems that way and I'm usually a fan who hates it when others do that. Again I was not calling you out, I was calling the information out. I think the Skins are putting a lot of disinformation out there to throw everyone off what they are intending to do.

Again no disrespect I have valued your information in the past and will enjoy your information in the future. Thank you for all you do for this site and the rest of us.[/quote]

No need to apologize. I just didn't understand where you were coming from because what's out there is we ARE interested in Peyton, we ARE interested in Flynn, we DO want to trade up for Griffin. Yet, while that may be true, it's not the info I'm getting and providing. In fact it's quite the opposite. Now I may end up being totally wrong. But the info I'm providing is clearly not what's out there.

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Can we just call 1800 I need a QB???

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[quote=SmootSmack;880101]No need to apologize. I just didn't understand where you were coming from because what's out there is we ARE interested in Peyton, we ARE interested in Flynn, we DO want to trade up for Griffin. Yet, while that may be true, it's not the info I'm getting and providing. In fact it's quite the opposite. Now I may end up being totally wrong. But the info I'm providing is clearly not what's out there.[/quote]

And again I do apologize and understand you are passing info you are learning. I'll let you say I told you so until your happy if any of it comes to pass. I would never have thought we would be interested in McNabb either and when the media picked up on it I wanted to cry because I expected a huge let down due to his diminishing skills and injuries. I figure if your right I'll cry again. I'm sure the team has explored every avenue to trade up and explored what it might take just to keep their options open. I just don't see them making the trade.

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[quote=theJBexperience;880027]To get the rumor mill rolling again, I heard Bob Kravitz of The Indianapolis Star(the guy who did the Peyton Manning interview where he revealed he was unhappy w/ the Colts and paved the way for his release) on the Lebatard Show, and Kravitz gave the Skins a 25% chance of signing Peyton once he's released. He said DC was intriguing to Peyton because he remembers what Shanahan was able to with Elway late in his career, and of course, Peyton wants to go out on top with one last Super Bowl victory. Kravitz said there was an equal chance for us, the Cardinals, the Seahawks, and the Dolphins to land Peyton.[/quote]

I don't get how any of those teams make sense, and the Redskins least of all. Definitely agree if Manning continues to play it's with the sole purpose of winning more championships. San Fran, Baltimore or the Jets are the teams closest to winning a SB w/ better play from their QB i.e. P Manning. More importantly he could walk into any of those (three) situations and model the offensive scheme just how he wants it.

But again it makes no sense for Manning to consider the Redskins. He, for all practical purposes, is the offensive coordinator and QB of his team. Why play under arguably the most limited HC/OC duo in terms of versatility and vision? Manning's not going "learn" a losing, esoteric scheme and thereby give up on what he's been doing for over a decade...he's going to do what he does best: shred defenses, often in a no-huddle offense calling plays at the line. He's got more football intelligence than Mike and Kyle combined, what an awkward situation it would be to play for them!!!

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[quote=SBXVII;880103]And again I do apologize and understand you are passing info you are learning. I'll let you say I told you so until your happy if any of it comes to pass. I would never have thought we would be interested in McNabb either and when the media picked up on it I wanted to cry because I expected a huge let down due to his diminishing skills and injuries. I figure if your right I'll cry again. I'm sure the team has explored every avenue to trade up and explored what it might take just to keep their options open. I just don't see them making the trade.[/quote]

Well, for the record, in my original post I do say that I think they'll fall short in their attempt. But that's my own personal opinion.

Anyhow, let's move on

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Now back to the QB topic: your a HC, you have a scheme in which you expect your QB to sit in the pocket 85% of the time and stand in the shotgun 10% of the time, and only run/scramble for yardage if flushed out of the pocket, and you have no intention of using the "Wild Cat", why would you want RGIII? This coaching staff is not going to take him if does not fit the system. Luck fits this system better then RGIII.

Bradford- again your a HC, why would you want a player who has not lived up to his #1 status, does not make good decisions all the time, on top of that your going to be expected to give up and risk more by trading your 1st round draft pick who has lived up to his expectations and just came off a half decent year...plus throw in draft picks? It should be the Rams who should be throwing draft picks our way in order to balance out their QB who has not shown he is a 1st round talent. No deal.

Peyton- will probably be finished or go elsewhere.

Flynn- will probably go to Miami to start and be with his Coach.

RGIII- is not our system of QB and will cost too much to move up.

Luck- will be interesting g to see if the Colts don't take him.

My best guess is the Skins will pick up a different FA QB, and try to trade back for more picks. I'm hedging my bets that any one of the other QBs gets drafted by the Skins and I'd guess Weeden only cause KS likes him, knows him now, and has worked well with him. I hope FA wise I'm wrong. I think Weeden will be fine and uh the team time to find that "young" QB everyone wants to have as our franchise QB.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;880102]Can we just call 1800 I need a QB???[/quote]

I think Mike has one of these on his desks.

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[quote=SBXVII;880110]Now back to the QB topic: your a HC, you have a scheme in which you expect your QB to sit in the pocket 85% of the time and stand in the shotgun 10% of the time, and only run/scramble for yardage if flushed out of the pocket, and you have no intention of using the "Wild Cat", why would you want RGIII? This coaching staff is not going to take him if does not fit the system. Luck fits this system better then RGIII.

[B]Bradford- again your a HC, why would you want a player who has not lived up to his #1 status, does not make good decisions all the time, on top of that your going to be expected to give up and risk more by trading your 1st round draft pick who has lived up to his expectations and just came off a half decent year...plus throw in draft picks?[/B] It should be the Rams who should be throwing draft picks our way in order to balance out their QB who has not shown he is a 1st round talent. No deal.

Peyton- will probably be finished or go elsewhere.

Flynn- will probably go to Miami to start and be with his Coach.

[B]RGIII- is not our system of QB and will cost too much to move up.[/B]

Luck- will be interesting g to see if the Colts don't take him.

My best guess is the Skins will pick up a different FA QB, and try to trade back for more picks. I'm hedging my bets that any one of the other QBs gets drafted by the Skins and [B]I'd guess Weeden only cause KS likes him,[/B] knows him now, and has worked well with him. I hope FA wise I'm wrong. I think Weeden will be fine and uh the team time to find that "young" QB everyone wants to have as our franchise QB.[/quote]

1. Bradford was shanahans pick a few years ago, but we didn't have any ammo to move up to get him. A lot of people believe that Bradford hasn't had a good supporting cast in St. Louis. He showed lots of promise his rookie year, then fell off this year. A two year guy who played with an injury depleted team. His WR's had lots of drops, ran wrong routes, and had balls bounce off their hands and cause picks. When you had the OL and WR's that Bradford had, and Steven Jackson is hurt, you got to make plays and in his case, force things.

2. Our system QB requires a guy who is able to bootleg well. Yes Luck is the better QB, but RG3 is more athletic, and is just as accurate. The only major difference between the 2 is the spread offense griffin was in and the pro style offense luck was in. We have been linked to RG3 and he would fit our system.

3. How do you know Kyle Shanahan likes him? I'm sure publicly Kyle like all the South QB's he had.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;880091]The Redskins need to draft two rookie QBs. We are very unset at the quarterback position. We not only need to upgrade the starting QB position, but the back up position as well. I like Jonathan Crompton, as he has developed from off of the practice squad all of last season. But don't be surprise if the Redskins draft both RG3 and Weeden in April. If not that, then RG3 and Kellen Moore.[/quote]

With our roster structure being the way it is, we can't afford to do that. One of our QB's will be a FA signing.

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[quote=SmootSmack;880043]I would be inclined to say probably not. I know of two key decision makers who don't like the idea. That's not to say they can't be convinced otherwise but right now I'd say no

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All the Manning chatter may soon be irrelevant. John Clayton, Gil Brandt and Tony Dungy are all saying it's highly likely he soon retires.

Beginning to look like Rob Lowe isn't a complete idiot. :silly:

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;880082]We are in a 3-4 now.[/quote]

I did mean a 4-3. Sorry for the typo.

The rams aren't giving Sam up it's why Fisher took that job

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[quote=CultBrennan59;880115]1. Bradford was shanahans pick a few years ago, but we didn't have any ammo to move up to get him. A lot of people believe that Bradford hasn't had a good supporting cast in St. Louis. He showed lots of promise his rookie year, then fell off this year. A two year guy who played with an injury depleted team. His WR's had lots of drops, ran wrong routes, and had balls bounce off their hands and cause picks. When you had the OL and WR's that Bradford had, and Steven Jackson is hurt, you got to make plays and in his case, force things.

2. Our system QB requires a guy who is able to bootleg well. Yes Luck is the better QB, but RG3 is more athletic, and is just as accurate. The only major difference between the 2 is the spread offense griffin was in and the pro style offense luck was in. We have been linked to RG3 and he would fit our system.

3. How do you know Kyle Shanahan likes him? I'm sure publicly Kyle like all the South QB's he had.[/quote]

1- I agree he didn't have an excellent supporting cast, but the problem is we kinda are in the same situation. The same reason I don't want Sanchez is the same reason I don't want Bradford, could they have hit their peak? are they damaged goods? will they be any better in this system or more of the same?

2- I'd almost rather have the kid on the North team who had to make some thing out of the bad snaps. He showed he could roll out and if had to run for the yardage. Taking RGIII to me would be like purchasing a race horse and binding one leg and using him for jumping instead of running races. If this team is not going to use RGIII as a race horse or for his skills then we are just hindering ourselves and should look into a different QB.

3- There are rumors that they met alone and worked on specific things like footwork, throwing motion, and god knows what else. Why wouldn't KS bring the other South QB's along especially since Foles needs footwork help? Otherwise I have no answer.

But if there is no other option then I'd say lets get Weeden for now and Foles if possible for future development.

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[quote=redskin29633;880125]With our roster structure being the way it is, we can't afford to do that. One of our QB's will be a FA signing.[/quote]

Sure we could, I think it's quite probable that an early picked is used on presumed starter to be, Rex is re-signed for a couple of years as the vet backup/compete for starting, and a mid to late round pick is used on a qb to groom as a backup.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;880161]The rams aren't giving Sam up it's why Fisher took that job[/quote]

Bradford will be tough to acquire for sure. In fact, I think Luck would be easier to acquire.

But I still think we'll end up falling short of getting either.

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[quote=freddyg12;880167]Sure we could, I think it's quite probable that an early picked is used on presumed starter to be, Rex is re-signed for a couple of years as the vet backup/compete for starting, and a mid to late round pick is used on a qb to groom as a backup.[/quote]

No to Grossman. I don't even want him at FedEx field, let alone actually dressing for the game.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;880186]No to Grossman. I don't even want him at FedEx field, let alone actually dressing for the game.[/quote]

For the longest time I thought Grossman was pretty much a lock to return. In recent days though, I've gotten the impression they are ready to move on. Or at least let him test the market before making any decision.

In somewhat related news, new mock draft from National Football Post

[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Mock-Draft-Version-20.html]Mock Draft: Version 2.0 | National Football Post[/url]

I still am not so sure they're going to trade up for RG3. But I know I'm in the minority on that

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I am no fan of Rexy, but I'm just thinking realistically about it, he's been here a couple years, knows the O well & shouldn't cost much. Of course if he gets a good deal elsewhere I'd be stunned if Allen got into any bidding war, they'd let him walk.

I wouldn't be hurt if he left w/out so much as an offer, but I wouldn't be upset if he were the backup.

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I think it's time to start fresh and move on from Rex, even as a backup.

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I agree, our QB stable is quite stale. I'd like to have three new names after the draft. (UDFA's)

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There comes a time when you need NEW QB's, that way the OLD QB's cant teach the NEW QB's bad habits, and that time might be now IMO.

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I think it's very possible the Colts surprise everybody by trading out of the #1 overall pick, pick up more draft picks, and grab someone like Orton. They have already gutted that whole franchise, so they know it's not going to be an overnight situation. They might be willing to grab a developmental QB in this draft, or maybe even wait until next year to grab a guy like Barkley - or both. So, I don't think it's a lock on Luck to the Colts at all. As matter of fact, this sounds more logical to me than the Colts simply drafting Andrew Luck at #1.

If that actually transpires, then I can see the possibilities of the Redskins doing one of two things - trading up to #2 to draft Andrew Luck, or trading the #6 for Sam Bradford. It all comes down to which one is more valuable - Luck or Bradford? And also the "new coach" factor. Did Coach Fisher decide to go to the Rams simply because Sam Bradford is already there, or did he go to the Rams because he knows there's a legitimate chance at dealing Sam Bradford away for Andrew Luck? I tend to think the latter. If the Rams can't get Luck or either get offered a better deal by keeping Sam Bradford, then Fisher still has a solid starting QB. So, either way, the Rams win. The Colts still win, because there's no way they're rebuilding that team within one year. But, their rebuild will be accelerated by grabbing more draft picks this year and next.

Yes, the more I'm thinking about this (and I apologize if I'm repeating anybody here) the more I'm thinking these rumors make more sense than what is floating around in the public media. All of us who say we're more realistic and level headed aren't seeing the fact that Mike Shanahan HAS to have a franchise quarterback this year or he's probably gone. Trading down to pick up a developmental guy or a guy that probably isn't ready to start in the NFL is taking a HUGE chance. If this was year one in Washington, that would be the best option. But, this is year three for Shanahan. He HAS to pull the trigger on getting HIS guy now. I think the Redskins have JUST ENOUGH on offense to make this work well enough for this year.

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With Peyton Manning on his way out the door it really makes no sense for the Colts NOT to draft Andrew Luck with the number one pick. That is if they really believe that Luck is a once in a generation quarterback who could put the Colts back on a trajectory of becoming a winning franchise again.

The possibility of Manning not playing for Colts next season (if that indeed happens), I think, is probably Irsay's way of nudging him into retirement out of a genuine concern for his health -- probably moreso than his perceived inability to co-exist with Andrew Luck.