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If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts.

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[quote=SmootSmack;881164]I think the Jets and Cardinals are the favorites to land him. I've heard that Mike Shanahan doesn't like the idea, but I suspect we'll bring him in for a visit if he's available. Can't hurt[/quote]

Well we know Shanahan doesn't like to tell the truth. Plus we have an older coach and an impatient owner who will spend the money. I just don't see Arizona wanting to pay the money and NY doesn't have the cap room. But I hope you're right.

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[quote=Chico23231;881166]Have the plan in place to get the person and make the appropraite FA choices. No excuses this time and no absurd decisions to go with a Rex, Becks type QB.

If the Shannys dont have a plan or dont execute it properly this offseason at the QB position that leads to another 10 loss season...[B]i fully support cleaning house after next season.[/B][/quote]

Are you even willing to endure other few years of rebuilding? Because I am not willing to do that. If Shanny does not have "appropriate" plan for the QB position for the off season, I am certain he at least will have plans to build a better support cast team to make it easier for a QB to jump in next off season. In other words, adding more depth in every position.

Some of you guys (I'm not pointing to you, Chico, in particular - just saying in general) never cease to amaze me. Some of you guys are always so ready to call for Shanny's head, right when we have absolutely NO idea what Shanny's plans are. And yet you all were mostly the guys who complained about how Redskins FO don't have continuity in the franchise.

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[quote=GridIron26;881174]Are you even willing to endure other few years of rebuilding? Because I am not willing to do that. If Shanny does not have "appropriate" plan for the QB position for the off season, I am certain he at least will have plans to build a better support cast team to make it easier for a QB to jump in next off season. In other words, adding more depth in every position.

Some of you guys (I'm not pointing to you, Chico, in particular - just saying in general) [B]never cease to amaze me. Some of you guys are always so ready to call for Shanny's head,[/B] right when we have absolutely NO idea what Shanny's plans are. And yet you all were mostly the guys who complained about how Redskins FO don't have continuity in the franchise.[/quote]
Same was happening in NYC for Tom Coughlin a few weeks ago.....for the 13th time....go figure

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For me it greatly depends on the health of Peyton Manning.

But here is what I'd do:

1) *SIGN FA LG CARL NICKS- While NO's scrambles to sign Drew Brees to an attractive contract, sign one of the best FA's available this year in Carl Nicks. Pairing Nicks up next to Trent Williams give Washington on of the strongest left sides in the NFL.
2) *SIGN FA WR DWAYNE BOWE- Skin's have needed a larger, developed, playmaker to pair opposite Moss for so long.

Here is where it gets tricky:

If its seems that Peyton Manning is healthy. *** If so.

4) *SIGN FA QB PEYTON MANNING- If he is healthy, he is a Tope 10 QB in this league and that what it takes to win a Super Bowl. I think he might even still be Top 5 and the biggest kicker is that you won't have to give up any draft picks to get him.
5) *SIGN FA WR REGGIE WAYNE- Wayne is in his twilight and I would only sign him if Peyton was QB.
6) *SIGN FA C JEFF SATURDAY-Saturday, like Wayne, is in his twilight and I would only sign him if Peyton was QB.

If Peyton is not healthy/retires, then I would consider:

4) *SIGN FA QB ALEX SMITH- He is more athletic and has more upside then the Redskins QB options of a year ago.
5) *SIGN FA CB CORTLAND FINNEGAN- I know we have two equally as talented corners already, but the league is such a passing based league now. ( we play New York twice and New Orleans once next year )

DRAFT :

1st Round - BEST OT available may Matt Kalil, OT, USC falls? If not then
Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa
2nd Round -Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor, Mark Barron, SS, ‘Bama, Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin

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[quote=GridIron26;881174]Are you even willing to endure other few years of rebuilding? Because I am not willing to do that. If Shanny does not have "appropriate" plan for the QB position for the off season, I am certain he at least will have plans to build a better support cast team to make it easier for a QB to jump in next off season. In other words, adding more depth in every position.

Some of you guys (I'm not pointing to you, Chico, in particular - just saying in general) never cease to amaze me. Some of you guys are always so ready to call for Shanny's head, right when we have absolutely NO idea what Shanny's plans are. And yet you all were mostly the guys who complained about how Redskins FO don't have continuity in the franchise.[/quote]

Yeah Im not saying im ready for him to be fired at this time, ive seen improvement. But there is accountability for his choice in QB and his plan at QB so far which is an epic fail. We need a QB now, and before all other parts areas can be addressed we need to have a solid plan in place to aquire a viable starter in order to improve this team. I need to see improvement this upcoming year on the offense, including QB, to have Shanny back after year 3. 10 losses again will not cut it period

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That is fair argument, but try to put yourself in Shanny's shoes. You basically would have to give up your several high round picks such as two 1st round picks and two 2nd round picks or something like that to get Griffin, I am not going to bring up the possibility of drafting Luck because it is almost guaranteed to be not possible. Would you do it? If you do that, then how can you build a better support cast around Griffin if you have limited picks. Yes, there is free agency but we have already learned from our history that building a team through free agency is not good way. And not even to mention the fact that we have seen last year, Allen is not willing to give free agent players hefty paychecks.

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@ REX KELLY...

9ers will NOT let alex smith go... as awful as he is...

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[quote=RexKelly;881190]For me it greatly depends on the health of Peyton Manning.

But here is what I'd do:

1) *SIGN FA LG [B]CARL NICKS[/B]- While NO's scrambles to sign Drew Brees to an attractive contract, sign one of the best FA's available this year in Carl Nicks. Pairing Nicks up next to Trent Williams give Washington on of the strongest left sides in the NFL.
2) *SIGN FA WR DWAYNE BOWE- Skin's have needed a larger, developed, playmaker to pair opposite Moss for so long.

Here is where it gets tricky:

If its seems that Peyton Manning is healthy. *** If so.

4) *SIGN FA QB PEYTON MANNING- If he is healthy, he is a Tope 10 QB in this league and that what it takes to win a Super Bowl. I think he might even still be Top 5 and the biggest kicker is that you won't have to give up any draft picks to get him.
5) *SIGN FA WR REGGIE WAYNE- Wayne is in his twilight and I would only sign him if Peyton was QB.
6) *SIGN FA C JEFF SATURDAY-Saturday, like Wayne, is in his twilight and I would only sign him if Peyton was QB.

If Peyton is not healthy/retires, then I would consider:

4) *SIGN FA QB ALEX SMITH- He is more athletic and has more upside then the Redskins QB options of a year ago.
5) *SIGN FA CB CORTLAND FINNEGAN- I know we have two equally as talented corners already, but the league is such a passing based league now. ( we play New York twice and New Orleans once next year )

DRAFT :

1st Round - BEST OT available may Matt Kalil, OT, USC falls? If not then
Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa
2nd Round -Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor, Mark Barron, SS, ‘Bama, Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin[/quote]

Carl Nicks is a heck of a player. But he does not fit Shanahan's system very well. Shanahan treasures small, mobile linemen whereas Nicks is a huge mauler.

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So would you guys rather go FA to get our #1 WR or draft one? Personally I feel we will do both.

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[quote=Mattyk;881162]If he's cleared medically, a lot of teams are going to be interested. Still a big if.[/quote]

I saw a report within the last couple of days that indicated the problem is that the doctors can not, and will not, reach a consensus. The risk tolerance is the issue and some evidently think the risk is minimal, while others think it is way to high for him to risk playing. Personally, I think the Redskins would be silly to make a huge investment in a guy in that kind of circumstance!

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All of this talk about offense... wonder who we have our eyes on for defense... not that the needs are AS pressing from the outside looking in

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[quote=tryfuhl;882675]All of this talk about offense... wonder who we have our eyes on for defense... not that the needs are AS pressing from the outside looking in[/quote]

Hopefully, they are thinking about what in the world they are going to do with the Safety position.

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Star Light Star bright,
The first star I see tonight,
I wish I may, I wish I might,
Have the wish I wish tonight.

FA:
Bowe
Flynn

Draft:
Blackmon
Weeden
Next Best:
OL
FS
CB
ILB
OL

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[quote=Ruhskins;882677]Hopefully, they are thinking about what in the world they are going to do with the Safety position.[/quote]

Definitely.. and nickel corner at minimum for cb's.. hopefully we can keep Carriker or find an adequate raeplacement. If we do trade Orakpo we've gotta address that too. Mario Williams is an FA but will likely be picked up or resigned before any Orakpo trade.. he's coming off injury and I'm sure he'd like to stay with a top defense.

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[quote=tryfuhl;882681]Definitely.. and nickel corner at minimum for cb's.. hopefully we can keep Carriker or find an adequate raeplacement. If we do trade Orakpo we've gotta address that too. Mario Williams is an FA but will likely be picked up or resigned before any Orakpo trade.. he's coming off injury and I'm sure he'd like to stay with a top defense.[/quote]

I'm sure that if Mario Williams walks, he'd go to a 4-3 team. If Carriker walks, I would make Soliai our big FA acquisition on defense and put him at NT, then slide Cofield to DE along with Jenkins and Bowen.

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Question, with the success of teams like the Giants with a strong FAST d line why trade Orakpo ,I think you need to go back to a four man front,I think it suits your personel.

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[quote=Giantone;882724]Question, with the success of teams like the Giants with a strong FAST d line why trade Orakpo ,I think you need to go back to a four man front,I think it suits your personel.[/quote]

Because teams like the Steelers and Packers have had similar success while running a 3-4.

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[quote=Giantone;882724]Question, with the success of teams like the Giants with a strong FAST d line why trade Orakpo ,I think you need to go back to a four man front,I think it suits your personel.[/quote]

There is no chance of returning to a 4-3 because the name of our coach is Shanahan.

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[quote=Giantone;882724]Question, with the success of teams like the Giants with a strong FAST d line why trade Orakpo ,I think you need to go back to a four man front,I think it suits your personel.[/quote]

I think eventually we will draft a DL, LB, and OL every year once we fix the gaps we already have.

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[quote=Lotus;882736]There is no chance of returning to a 4-3 because the name of our coach is Shanahan.[/quote]

I think we are to far invested in the 3-4 and once we get the DB's fixed we will be OK.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;882739]I think we are to far invested in the 3-4 and once we get the DB's fixed we will be OK.[/quote]

I'm really interested to see what Jenkins ends up bringing to the table. If we can get a serious push in the middle, Orakpo and Kerrigan could put up seriousl all-pro numbers. Add some secondary help and I agree, we could make another step forward on defense.

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[quote=Terpfan76;882741]I'm really interested to see what Jenkins ends up bringing to the table. If we can get a serious push in the middle, Orakpo and Kerrigan could put up seriousl all-pro numbers. Add some secondary help and I agree, we could make another step forward on defense.[/quote]

Yeah the season just ended & I can't wait for the begining of the 2012-13 season. HTTR.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;882745]Yeah the season just ended & I can't wait for the begining of the 2012-13 season. HTTR.[/quote]

Sad thing is, we've been doing the same thing for 20 years now... I can't wait until it's our turn again.

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[quote=Terpfan76;882754]Sad thing is, we've been doing the same thing for 20 years now... I can't wait until it's our turn again.[/quote]

So true so depressing.