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[quote=mbedner3420;883682]Didn't Lombardi say he was at one point a diehard Redskins fan?[/quote]

Yea, he said it several times on NFL Network.

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Haha...we got a lot of sources around here lately. Just to be clear...I have no sources.

But If I did I would tell them to give me something about Sam Bradford becoming a Redskin...

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[quote=mbedner3420;883682]Didn't Lombardi say he was at one point a diehard Redskins fan?[/quote]

Never knew that. I knew he is a 76ers fan and has a house at the Jersey Shore so i guess i just assumed he liked all the Philly teams. I knew I liked him for some reason...

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Not sure if Smoot has anything, but my guy said the whole QB discussion depended on "question three," but the Shanny's could decide on the answer.

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[quote=The Goat;883667]If he (Peyton) does have coaching connections with San Fran or NY Jets though it would seem highly likely he would want to go to one of those spots. San Fran especially as that team is a Peyton Manning away from winning one or two SBs IMO.[/quote]


IDK how San Fran keeps coming up with PM but San Fran has already said with in the last few days their main goal is to resign Smith and that he "IS" their starter.

[url=http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=768945-49ers-jim-harbaugh-wants-alex-smith-back]49ers | Jim Harbaugh wants Alex Smith back - NFL Hot off the Wire[/url]

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[quote=iRepDMV;883684]Yea, he said it several times on NFL Network.[/quote]

Damn you people that have NFL network.

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[quote=DC Tailgate;883689]Not sure if Smoot has anything, but my guy said the whole QB discussion depended on "question three," but the Shanny's could decide on the answer.[/quote]

Can you expand on what you mean by "question three"?

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[quote=celts32;883685]Haha...we got a lot of sources around here lately.[B] Just to be clear...I have no sources[/B].

But If I did I would tell them to give me something about Sam Bradford becoming a Redskin...[/quote]

I don't either. BAZINGA!

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[quote=DC Tailgate;883689]Not sure if Smoot has anything, but my guy said the whole QB discussion depended on "question three," but the Shanny's could decide on the answer.[/quote]

Yeah we must also have the same or similar sources. The only difference is I heard it was not "question three" but "question two".

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[quote=SBXVII;883699]Yeah we must also have the same or similar sources. The only difference is I heard it was not "question three" but "question two".[/quote]


Don't mind the peanut gallery. We had some fly by night kids roll through here recently with a "Book it......McCoy and Shipley are coming to DC"....insider info....lol Hilarious part is, this info got back to a Brown's forum and they took it as gospel..haha

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We never question "Question 3."

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[quote=DC Tailgate;883689]Not sure if Smoot has anything, but my guy said the whole QB discussion depended on "question three," but the Shanny's could decide on the answer.[/quote]

JoeRedskin has taught you well

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;883703]We never question "Question 3."[/quote]

Not sure... if serious...

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If Jim Irsay is a man who speaks the truth, and its really NOT about the money, then there must be some kind of problem if the Colts let Manning walk. I've said before that risk tolerance is a part of the equation in Manning's return to football. Doctors are like regular people, their opinions vary. I suspect that is going to be the case (is the case) with PM's health, his ability to recover his passing skills, and his risk tolerance for another injury which could be debilitating. Perhaps Irsay just does not want to see PM go through all that as a Colt; perhaps he thinks its time for the Colts to move forward and not look back.

Against that backdrop, I just dont see how it is a good idea for Washington to give up a portion of the team's remaining salary cap space to bring in an aging, injured PM to play QB. Some seem to think we can get him for minimal salary with some incentive package attached. I really doubt that possibility. And even if it works, and PM earns a stack of incentive money, Redskins have still incurred the alternative costs. Money that could have been spent on WRs, safety, offensive linemen, retention of Fletcher at ILB, and a host of other needs.

The Manning plan is a bad one for the Redskins because it diverts us from the rebuilding effort already in motion! We should not stop mid-stream!

For once, I want the Redskins to be sensible, reasonable, measured, thoughtful, and SMART in their approach. Forget about Manning, go with the plan in motion. Stay the course; fans have endured two years of the process to rebuild the football team; keep moving forward with the good plan.

I know we need somebody to play QB; FA QBs are available; sign one. Draft a QB to develop, RGIII or Tannehill, or another of the Shanahans' choice. But dont revert to the pre-Shanahan days of frivolous, ill-advised FA signings. Stay strong and be smart; rebuild the football team the right way!

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/why-signing-kyle-orton-would-make-sense-for-the-redskins/2012/02/09/gIQAlZel1Q_blog.html]Why signing Kyle Orton would make sense for the Redskins - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;883710]JoeRedskin has taught you well[/quote]

Welp, no need to talk about my favorite kind of pie I guess. :laughing-

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[quote=redskin29633;883718]If Jim Irsay is a man who speaks the truth, and its really NOT about the money, then there must be some kind of problem if the Colts let Manning walk. I've said before that risk tolerance is a part of the equation in Manning's return to football. Doctors are like regular people, their opinions vary. I suspect that is going to be the case (is the case) with PM's health, his ability to recover his passing skills, and his risk tolerance for another injury which could be debilitating. Perhaps Irsay just does not want to see PM go through all that as a Colt; perhaps he thinks its time for the Colts to move forward and not look back.

Against that backdrop, I just dont see how it is a good idea for Washington to give up a portion of the team's remaining salary cap space to bring in an aging, injured PM to play QB. Some seem to think we can get him for minimal salary with some incentive package attached. I really doubt that possibility. And even if it works, and PM earns a stack of incentive money, Redskins have still incurred the alternative costs. Money that could have been spent on WRs, safety, offensive linemen, retention of Fletcher at ILB, and a host of other needs.

[B]The Manning plan is a bad one for the Redskins because it diverts us from the rebuilding effort already in motion![/B] We should not stop mid-stream!

For once, I want the Redskins to be sensible, reasonable, measured, thoughtful, and SMART in their approach. Forget about Manning, go with the plan in motion. Stay the course; fans have endured two years of the process to rebuild the football team; keep moving forward with the good plan.

I know we need somebody to play QB; FA QBs are available; sign one. Draft a QB to develop, RGIII or Tannehill, or another of the Shanahans' choice. But dont revert to the pre-Shanahan days of frivolous, ill-advised FA signings. Stay strong and be smart; rebuild the football team the right way!

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/why-signing-kyle-orton-would-make-sense-for-the-redskins/2012/02/09/gIQAlZel1Q_blog.html]Why signing Kyle Orton would make sense for the Redskins - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

Does it really divert us, though? We aren't giving away picks for players, we are giving money, which we have in abundance right now - and will have more of soon once we start cutting players. If anything, I could make the case that it only increases the likelihood of continuing our rebuild. If we invest a ton of money in PM, we are handcuffed into acquiring cheaper players through the draft due to limited FA funds. I think (without sources to back this up) we will draft a young QB in the second round and let him sit and learn. The rebuild is still on so don't worry too much.

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[quote=celts32;883685]Haha...we got a lot of sources around here lately. Just to be clear...I have no sources.

[B]But If I did I would tell them to give me something about Sam Bradford becoming a Redskin.[/B]..[/quote]

Yeah that's news I would love to hear.

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Dont tell me what questions 2 and 3 are.

Just tell me if question 1 involves a dirty quarterback trent dilfer endlessly gushed about coming out of college (that we were rumored to want) and a famous 1960s singer with mafia ties.

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The one thing everyone says on TV is you have to let PM run his system, if that's true then I think it's a bad idea. Why you ask because most of the team knows MS/KS's system. IMO it's easier to teach 1 guy than 22 guys. When PM leaves/retires do we go back to MS/KS's system or stay with PM's system.

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[quote=mbedner3420;883720]Does it really divert us, though? We aren't giving away picks for players, we are giving money, which we have in abundance right now - and will have more of soon once we start cutting players. If anything, I could make the case that it only increases the likelihood of continuing our rebuild. If we invest a ton of money in PM, we are handcuffed into acquiring cheaper players through the draft due to limited FA funds. I think (without sources to back this up) we will draft a young QB in the second round and let him sit and learn. The rebuild is still on so don't worry too much.[/quote]

If we can't sign PM for a low salary, then yes, I do think it diverts us because of the multitude of needs that the Redskins have. There is a need for WRs, maybe a TE, a safety, an offensive lineman (or two), re-signing Fletcher, and probably a kick return specialist. I would hate to see money spent on PM that could otherwise be used for any of those purposes. Let's not drag out the rebuilding any longer than necessary by spending high on a high risk veteran QB. Just bad business IMHO.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;883723]Dont tell me what questions 2 and 3 are.

Just tell me if question 1 involves a dirty quarterback [B]trent dilfer [/B]endlessly gushed about coming out of college (that we were rumored to want) and a famous 1960s singer with mafia ties.[/quote]


He really annoys me.

I don't like dilfer either

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[quote=redskin29633;883718]If Jim Irsay is a man who speaks the truth, [/quote]


LOL.



I think they ALL lie worse than politicians. In fact, his back and forth with Peyton this whole time is to make himself look good when he cuts Manning, but the reality of it is, he doesn't want to pay Peyton. Hell, remember before the CBA and he kept using that "OOoo...I'm going to make Peyton the highest paid player" but kept stalling and using the future CBA as an excuse. Bullshit. It's always about the money with them. Always will be.

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well i am growing impatient.... i think question 2 may have to do with what the Bears do with Cutler and question 3 has to do with what the cowboys do with romo.

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Question 3, clearly states go back to question 1.

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[quote=DC Tailgate;883719]Welp, no need to talk about my favorite kind of pie I guess. :laughing-[/quote]

You're gonna do well here.

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[quote=redskin29633;883725][B]If we can't sign PM for a low salary, then yes, I do think it diverts us because of the multitude of needs that the Redskins have.[/B] There is a need for WRs, maybe a TE, a safety, an offensive lineman (or two), re-signing Fletcher, and probably a kick return specialist. I would hate to see money spent on PM that could otherwise be used for any of those purposes. Let's not drag out the rebuilding any longer than necessary by spending high on a high risk veteran QB. Just bad business IMHO.[/quote]

If I am not mistaken, money-wise, McNabb didn't set us back much. What set us back was using picks to get him and not having a young QB to groom. That said, I don't think we should break the bank for Manning. Although, I wonder how much bargaining power will he have. I mean, while Brees wasn't at the level of Manning when he became a FA (and had had a monster year in SD), his potential health risk led to him only having New Orleans and Miami as possible suitors.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;883724]The one thing everyone says on TV is you have to let PM run his system, if that's true then I think it's a bad idea. Why you ask because most of the team knows MS/KS's system. IMO it's easier to teach 1 guy than 22 guys. When PM leaves/retires do we go back to MS/KS's system or stay with PM's system.[/quote]

I don't think he has to run his own system, but you do have to give him a lot of freedom and control within the offense. And the system would have to be tweaked to fit his style.

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[quote=Mattyk;883741]I don't think he has to run his own system, but you do have to give him a lot of freedom and control within the offense. And the system would have to be tweaked to fit his style.[/quote]

That would be good, but how similar are our systems.

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[quote=Mattyk;883741]I don't think he has to run his own system, but you do have to give him a lot of freedom and control within the offense. And the system would have to be tweaked to fit his style.[/quote]

I dont think it matters what the system is - peyton will learn it. you just have to let him audible. He changes almost every play at the line of scrimage and thas one of the keys to his success. and i think allowing that would be a HUGE challenge for control-freak kyle. (Then again, maybe kyle is only a control-freak because he's never had a QB he could trust to correctly and consistently read the defenses and adjust the play to one with the best chance of success)

i'd love to sign peyton and bring in garcon. pairing him up with atleast one target he's already familiar with would also be key. it takes a while for a QB and WRs to develop a rapport and have that "feel" for knowing what eachother will do in certain situations.

heck, if we brought in saturday, garcon, and peyton, AND kyle let peyton do his thing - we'd immdiately be a 12 win team.

I'm all about building for the long term, but acquiring these FREE AGENTS would allow us to WIN while we continue to develop younger talent for the future.

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[quote=mbedner3420;883711]Not sure... if serious...[/quote]

Long ago, in the storied historical archives of the Warpath, a young brave came on and said that he had approached the great warrior coach Joe Gibbs with a question. That question was so awesome that with reverence it is known only by its number. Question 3 may it forever soar amongst the eagles.

But what [U]was[/U] Question 3? The world may never know.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;883746]Long ago, in the storied historical archives of the Warpath, a young brave came on and said that he had approached the great warrior coach Joe Gibbs with a question. That question was so awesome that with reverence it is known only by its number. Question 3 may it forever soar amongst the eagles.

But what [U]was[/U] Question 3? The world may never know.[/quote]

Hahahaha. I'm afraid to even ask, but what were questions 1 and 2?

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[quote=DC Tailgate;883719]Welp, no need to talk about my favorite kind of pie I guess. :laughing-[/quote]

I was going to say, your posts are too well-written. Carry on.

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PS I miss PWNED and DenimMonger. Where's DenimMonger, Matty? Did you ban him?

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The thing I want to know about Manning is how many times could we possibly fail? We're due to hit on a big splash one of these days.


[QUOTE=Schneed10;883749]PS I miss PWNED and DenimMonger. Where's DenimMonger, Matty? Did you ban him?[/QUOTE]

I still miss the guy that was promoting his blog after like 9 post.
[YT]k-o2EYT2er8[/YT]

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[B]More Griffin-Redskins buzz
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UPDATE: Interesting tidbit to tack on to the rumors linking the Washington Redskins to Robert Griffin III. During an appearance on Bill Simmons' "BS Report" podcast, Michael Lombardi of the NFL Network indicated that not only is Griffin all but assured of being taken in one of the Top 2 spots in the NFL Draft, but that there's a particular reason why a trade between the Rams (currently at No. 2) and the Redskins may be a logical outcome.

"Mike Shanahan and Jeff Fisher are very close," Lombardi revealed. "If there's trade to be made, it'll happen between those two." (H/T to Evan Silva of Rotoworld for the quote).

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It's not a certainty that the Redskins will aggressively target quarterbacks this offseason, but the growing consensus is that this will be the case. Some believe that they'll be amongst the teams most vigorously courting Peyton Manning; others think the Shanaclan's preference will be for Matt Flynn. Finally, there's the option of going for reigning Heisman Trophy winner Robert Griffin III.

Acquiring Griffin will most likely require trading up from the Skins' current position at No. 6 -- either to No. 2 or No. 3 overall, depending upon what the other QB-needy teams do in free agency. If the Cleveland Browns, Miami Dolphins and Seattle Seahawks are all satisfied with their situation following free agency, maybe Washington won't have to trade up at all.

In all likelihood, however, Shanahan will need to surrender some serious draft capital in order to secure Griffin. Should he pull the trigger? ESPN NFC East blogger Dan Graziano and Football Scientist KC Joyner consider the question:

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Dilfer's ok. Tim Hasselbeck on the other hand

And I think the whole Kyle is a control freak thing is ridiculous. So is his dad, but it worked fine with him letting Elway call plays, ditto Walsh and Montana. And many others.

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[quote=DC Tailgate;883689]Not sure if Smoot has anything, but my guy said the whole QB discussion depended on "question three," but the Shanny's could decide on the answer.[/quote]

He who would cross the Bridge of Death
Must answer me
These questions three
Ere the other side he see.

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[quote=Schneed10;883749]PS I miss PWNED and DenimMonger. Where's DenimMonger, Matty? Did you ban him?[/quote]

I miss them too. Don't forget ZackMills... :Smoker:

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[quote=celts32;883766]He who would cross the Bridge of Death
Must answer me
These questions three
Ere the other side he see.[/quote]

Question 1: What is your name?
Question 2: What is your quest?
[B]Question 3: What is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?[/B]