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[quote=SBXVII;887329]Yes. simply put. Compared to RGIII, Luck is more of a pocket passer I think. I know you'll throw out the yrds he had in college but I'd still say he tends to stay in the pocket more and go through his progressions more so then RGIII.

[url=http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/380470/andrew-luck]Andrew Luck Stats, News, Videos, Pictures, Bio - Stanford Cardinal - ESPN[/url]

In most of his games he had anywhere from 1-3 run attempts.

[url=http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/378497/robert-griffin-iii]Robert Griffin III Stats, News, Videos, Pictures, Bio - Baylor Bears - ESPN[/url]

Robert had anywhere from 6 to 26 run attempts per game.[/quote]


How many offensive plays per game is that per team?

Running plays?

Passing plays?


What was the percentage of Luck running based on number of plays compared to that of RGIII?


I think you need to look more into the numbers than just that.

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[quote=SBXVII;887332]The same was said about Locker and the Panthers took Newton.[/quote]

Incorrect.

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[quote=NC_Skins;887342]How many offensive plays per game is that per team?

Running plays?

Passing plays?


What was the percentage of Luck running based on number of plays compared to that of RGIII?


I think you need to look more into the numbers than just that.[/quote]

All I'm looking at is Luck's runs per game vs. RGIII's runs per game. tell me Luck is not more of a pocket passer.

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[quote=GMScud;887344]Incorrect.[/quote]

Maybe I'm coming from a totally different dimension but I could have sworn at this time last year all the way leading up to the draft most Mock drafts had Locker going 1st. Even Luck going 2nd but Luck chose to stay in college. It wasn't until after the Combine that Newton started making headway. I think he pushed himself with the interview with Gruden.

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i thought gabbert was the top rated cube last year

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[quote=los panda;887347]i thought gabbert was the top rated cube last year[/quote]

But Locker was the top triangle and Newton was the top sphere.

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To my eye Luck, Griffin and Tannehill are outstanding athletes for the QB position with very similar physical traits that separate them from the other QBs in this class. (excpet for Wilson but he has a different problem)

They all possess a skill that I think is critical when I look at QBs: [I][B]playmaking[/B][/I], the ability to turn a negative play into a positive and in this regard all 3 are above average playmakers.
All three can throw very well on the run/move (which is a critically important trait that some elite QBs possess Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Mike Vick, Ben Rothlisberger etc).
Luck, Griffin and Tannehill can can all extend plays with his legs by evading pressure and can also gain chunks of yards that extend drives with his legs.
Griffin's speed makes him the most dynamic but Tannehill is no slouch either having been a good WR and Luck is also an above average athlete too.

They all throw the ball well.
Griff has the best deep ball and Luck is the most consistent.
I think Tannehill has the best arm talent of the trio and can throw with more velocity then both Luck/Griffin.
I think they're about the same level in throwing motion.
I think Tannehill has a quicker release and a cleaner throwing motion then the other 2 but he sometimes throws from a 3/4 to almost side arm delivery which makes his throwing motion the least consistent.
(Or I think Tannehill has the best throwing motion when he's doing it right but he's not always doing it right.)

However their is a clear distinction or separation between Luck/Griffin and Tannehill.
Where Tannehill is raw Luck/Griffin are both high efficiency QBs that exhibit high level command of their respective team's passing offense.(But I would be remiss not to mention that both also have more offensive talent then Tannehill)
But imo the attributes that prevent Tannehill from being on the same tier as Luck/Griffin (i.e efficiency and command) are attainable through experience and coaching.

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the formula for spheres is too complex for me to wrap my head around. a squared-headed emcee couldn't parallel me with a rhombus

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[quote=SBXVII;887346]Maybe I'm coming from a totally different dimension but I could have sworn at this time last year all the way leading up to the draft most Mock drafts had Locker going 1st. Even Luck going 2nd but Luck chose to stay in college. It wasn't until after the Combine that Newton started making headway. I think he pushed himself with the interview with Gruden.[/quote]

That was two years ago. Some people thought he would have gone ahead of Bradford in 2010. Last year it was actually considered a bit of a reach when Tennessee took him 8th.

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I think a guy like Tannehill will be this years Locker, taken around 10 - 15 and will play in his rookie season.

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[quote=SBXVII;887211] RGIII is getting so much hype and it's all in regards to his mobility. I'm betting the coaching staff there will want to pick him up because he will (as everyone else believes) buy time with his legs or get the first down himself. I mention this because it helps while the rest of the players are still learning the offense, ie; WR routes, OL blocking schemes.

[/quote]

Dont forget his down field accuracy.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;887282][url=http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2012/02/mike-sherman-thinks-ryan-tannehills-a-winner.html]Mike Sherman thinks Ryan Tannehill’s a winner – Miami Dolphins – Sun-Sentinel[/url][/quote]

Dolphins have an odd QB situation.

The owner/owners wants Peyton Manning

The coach probably wants Matt Flynn

The OC probably wants Ryan Tannehill

Oh well, nice to have options.

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The Sherman wants Tannehill rumors remind me a lot of the Pete Carroll is only going to draft USC players rumors.

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I think Tannehill ends up with the Redskins, Seahawks, or Chiefs

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[quote=NM Redskin;887363]Dont forget his down field accuracy.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure he has excellent down field accuracy. They even call it uncanny down field accuracy. Which I know is what we need. I could have sworn I saw something and I mentioned that his mid level accuracy was an issue and got called out on it.

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a regular steve deberg

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[quote=NC_Skins;887342]How many offensive plays per game is that per team?

Running plays?

Passing plays?


What was the percentage of Luck running based on number of plays compared to that of RGIII?


I think you need to look more into the numbers than just that.[/quote]

I didn't get total plays per game but here's the other stats

Luck:
Run ATT- 43
Pass ATT- 261

RGIII:
Run ATT- 161
Pass ATT- 369

It's very obvious RGIII probably had more plays per game or... Luck had a really good run game and didn't need to pass as much or run himself for the yrds.

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[quote=los panda;887372]a regular steve deberg[/quote]

:smashfrea

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[quote=Alvin Walton;887377]:smashfrea[/quote]more of a rick mirer?

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[quote=SmootSmack;887368]I think Tannehill ends up with the Redskins, Seahawks, or Chiefs[/quote]

who do you think we end up with smoot if we dont get PM, Hoyer, or Taneehill?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;887141]What's your wager? If the Colts take RGIII I guarantee Andrew Luck is a Washington Redskin.[/quote]

That's a no brainer.

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[quote=30gut;887349]To my eye Luck, Griffin and Tannehill are outstanding athletes for the QB position with very similar physical traits that separate them from the other QBs in this class. (excpet for Wilson but he has a different problem)

They all possess a skill that I think is critical when I look at QBs: [I][B]playmaking[/B][/I], the ability to turn a negative play into a positive and in this regard all 3 are above average playmakers.
All three can throw very well on the run/move (which is a critically important trait that some elite QBs possess Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Mike Vick, Ben Rothlisberger etc).
Luck, Griffin and Tannehill can can all extend plays with his legs by evading pressure and can also gain chunks of yards that extend drives with his legs.
Griffin's speed makes him the most dynamic but Tannehill is no slouch either having been a good WR and Luck is also an above average athlete too.

They all throw the ball well.
Griff has the best deep ball and Luck is the most consistent.
I think Tannehill has the best arm talent of the trio and can throw with more velocity then both Luck/Griffin.
I think they're about the same level in throwing motion.
I think Tannehill has a quicker release and a cleaner throwing motion then the other 2 but he sometimes throws from a 3/4 to almost side arm delivery which makes his throwing motion the least consistent.
(Or I think Tannehill has the best throwing motion when he's doing it right but he's not always doing it right.)

However their is a clear distinction or separation between Luck/Griffin and Tannehill.
Where Tannehill is raw Luck/Griffin are both high efficiency QBs that exhibit high level command of their respective team's passing offense.(But I would be remiss not to mention that both also have more offensive talent then Tannehill)
But imo the attributes that prevent Tannehill from being on the same tier as Luck/Griffin (i.e efficiency and command) are attainable through experience and coaching.[/quote]

I tend to agree with you on most of your points. One thing that is key to success in the NFL is to be able to extend plays. They can all do it, though IMO Tannehill is not quite at the level of the other two in pocket awareness. They can all make plays with their legs, as needed.

I feel that Tannehill is not nearly as accurate with the deep ball as the other two. Also, his inconsistent technique causes him to miss more sideline passes than he should. He's deadly accurate throwing between the hash marks but that sidearm stuff has got to go. He has a very strong arm.

I see much of the same skill set in Tannehill as I see in RGIII. Like you, I think his game just needs to be refined.

My point is that I would have no problem with the Skins signing a mid-level, interim QB in FA and taking Tannehill with the 6th pick, if that's what it comes to. If there is no chance for RGIII and the Skins decide to go with Tannehill, I just don't want to see them trade down and miss out on their guy. Let Mel Kiper and others spout off all they want about the Skins "reaching" and whatever other know-it-all stuff they want to say. Just don't miss.

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[quote=SBXVII;887332]The same was said about Locker and the Panthers took Newton.[/quote]

What??

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;887383]who do you think we end up with smoot if we dont get PM, Hoyer, or Taneehill?[/quote]

Mark Sanchez!!!!

Seriously though, not sure. Foles?

I think we're going to be part of the Manning discussion but won't go out of our way for him

I think/know we like Tannehill but not sure if enough to take him at #6, and not sure how low can we go and take him

I realize no one is really talking about Hoyer but I do believe we're going to make a serious offer for him. Will be it be our 1st for Hoyer and one of their 1sts? Probably not. Our 2nd straight up for Hoyer? Maybe. Our 3rd and a player for Hoyer? That's sort of what I'm thinking

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[quote=GTripp0012;887367]The Sherman wants Tannehill rumors remind me a lot of the Pete Carroll is only going to draft USC players rumors.[/quote]

Well he's going to be a winner which means he's going to put up terrible numbers and the defense is going to pick up all the slack on their way to wins over teams like the Redskins.

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What ever happened to Ricky Stanzi the cheifs drafted. Did they just hate him???

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[quote=SmootSmack;887431]
I realize no one is really talking about Hoyer but I do believe we're going to make a serious offer for him. Will be it be our 1st for Hoyer and one of their 1sts? Probably not. Our 2nd straight up for Hoyer? Maybe. Our 3rd and a player for Hoyer? That's sort of what I'm thinking[/quote]

I say we make a conditional trade with the Pats. If Hoyer reaches certain bench marks (yards, TD's, wins, etc) then we give New England a 2nd round pick. Anything else we give them a 3rd or 4th round pick.

Still Hoyer should be plan B, IE if on draft day they don't get RGIII then they trade with New England for Hoyer as I personally like the idea of him better then all the second tier QB's.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;887443]I say we make a conditional trade with the Pats. If Hoyer reaches certain bench marks (yards, TD's, wins, etc) then we give New England a 2nd round pick. Anything else we give them a 3rd or 4th round pick.

Still Hoyer should be plan B, IE if on draft day they don't get RGIII then they trade with New England for Hoyer as I personally like the idea of him better then all the second tier QB's.[/quote]

Wouldnt mind this at all or a healthy PM. I just hope their primary focus to get RGIII and we wont know till draft day, until then its all smoke screens and rumors.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;887446]Wouldnt mind this at all or a healthy PM. I just hope their primary focus to get RGIII and we wont know till draft day, until then its all smoke screens and rumors.[/quote]

I don't really like Peyton. Peyton is just an accident waiting to happen. Sure maybe we can fail only so many times but I see us looking back at Peyton this time next year, wherever he ends up, and saying "it was so obvious, all the warning signs were there."

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If we signed Peyton Manning would it be quickly after he is released Smoot or would there be a waiting period?

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[quote=Dirtbag59;887447]I don't really like Peyton. Peyton is just an accident waiting to happen. Sure maybe we can fail only so many times but I see us looking back at Peyton this time next year, wherever he ends up, and saying "it was so obvious, all the warning signs were there."[/quote]

I'm not sure why people keep saying Peyton is an accident waiting to happen when more than one doctor has said he's in no more risk of injury than anybody else out on the football field.

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[quote=skinsguy;887453]I'm not sure why people keep saying Peyton is an accident waiting to happen when more than one doctor has said he's in no more risk of injury than anybody else out on the football field.[/quote]

4 surgeries involving neck fusion on a 36 year old QB with reports coming out that he can't feel the throws across his body resulting in velocity problems.

[quote]"He can't throw the ball," Lombardi said, as a guest on ESPN's “The B.S. Report with Bill Simmons.” "I've talked to people who've caught the ball for him. He can't throw the ball to his left. He can't throw the ball across his body, because he doesn't feel it. People that catch the ball for him say he doesn't really have velocity on the ball yet."
[/quote]

Maybe I'm wrong but this doesn't sit well with me. Funny thing is Dan Graziano agrees with you.

[B]Not Like The Others[/B]
Redskins fans shouldn't let the franchise's checkered past make them leery of Peyton Manning.
[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/36411/these-arent-the-same-old-redskins]These aren't the 'same old Redskins' - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=SBXVII;887375]I didn't get total plays per game but here's the other stats

Luck:
Run ATT- 43
Pass ATT- 261

RGIII:
Run ATT- 161
Pass ATT- 369

It's very obvious RGIII probably had more plays per game or... Luck had a really good run game and didn't need to pass as much or run himself for the yrds.[/quote]

The percentage of his running compared to Luck's is a better assessment. If both are running for 5% of the total plays, then it doesn't matter. If one is running 35% compared to the other 10% then it might would.


Also, Luck had 2 OL that will be drafted in the first round this year. Not sure RGIII had that same type of line. Many things factor in why a QB runs. This isn't like Cam Newton who rushed that many times on purpose. Newton didn't sniff 4,000 yards passing in college like RGIII has.

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Uh oh Smoot. ya boy done be playing in C-Town (wat up?)
[QUOTE]Ryan Lownes @ryanlownes
@MockingTheDraft I imagine if the #Browns aren't able to sign Matt Flynn that they'll make a strong push for the #Patriots' Brian Hoyer.
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Well he is from Cleveland and the Browns did have him over for pre-draft visits back in 2009 (different management though) and the Browns do have an extra 1st round pick...

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Free Agency can't get here fast enough.

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During a spot on "Redskins Nation" on CSN Washington -- via Dan Steinberg of the Washington Post -- Redskins GM Bruce Allen was asked about the team's plan at the QB position. Unsurprisingly, he was not exactly forthcoming with specific details:

"We have a game plan on what to do, and obviously a game plan has to have alternate routes on it based on what other clubs do. We feel good about it and how we're gonna address all the needs on our football team, and we're looking forward to getting after it."

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[quote=NC_Skins;887460]The percentage of his running compared to Luck's is a better assessment. If both are running for 5% of the total plays, then it doesn't matter. If one is running 35% compared to the other 10% then it might would.


Also, Luck had 2 OL that will be drafted in the first round this year. Not sure RGIII had that same type of line. Many things factor in why a QB runs. This isn't like Cam Newton who rushed that many times on purpose. Newton didn't sniff 4,000 yards passing in college like RGIII has.[/quote]

I wish I could find it but I said a very similar thing you said, that there is more to a QB's situation then just the stats and was told I didn't know what I was talking about. Not by you but fans cant have it both ways. What I said was RGIII's runs may have been due to him not going through all his progressions or his OL breaking down causing him to run more.

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[quote=SmootSmack;887431]Mark Sanchez!!!!

Seriously though, not sure. Foles?

I think we're going to be part of the Manning discussion but won't go out of our way for him

I think/know we like Tannehill but not sure if enough to take him at #6, and not sure how low can we go and take him

I realize no one is really talking about Hoyer but I do believe we're going to make a serious offer for him. Will be it be our 1st for Hoyer and one of their 1sts? Probably not. Our 2nd straight up for Hoyer? Maybe. Our 3rd and a player for Hoyer? That's sort of what I'm thinking[/quote]

Can hoyer really be that good? Honestly, sooo many scouts and GMs passed on him two years ago. Why is he worth a 1st round pick swap?

Before anyone starts bringing up Tom Brady, let's remember that that was a decade and a half ago... Scouting has developed considerably since then.

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[quote=mbedner3420;887484]Can hoyer really be that good? Honestly, sooo many scouts and GMs passed on him two years ago. Why is he worth a 1st round pick swap?

Before anyone starts bringing up Tom Brady, let's remember that that was a decade and a half ago... Scouting has developed considerably since then.[/quote]

Yeah, I watched some Hoyer film and could not figure out what the big deal is. But obviously some of the pros see something in him.