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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;889208]Right now it feels as such, I just hope its not one of those Christmases when you really wanted the new Optimus Prime Transformer but ended up getting a couple of Go-Bots.[/quote]

Being a redskins fan we are used to these type of christmases, we all have high hopes and then end up with coal. We have drafted QB's before in the 1st round and never left them develop, either too quick to plug on them for the old vet or we switch the o-coordinator. I just hope if we get a young QB he is groomed and given a chance to develop.

When ur a skins fan u just hope for the best but expect to get f d .. I'm thinking that'll change soon

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At this point the NFL is a QB League and you have to do what is needed to get ur guy. We are more likely to find another Orakpo than an RGIII or Peyton Manning. This year we have our chance to get legit player at the QB Position, we need to take. No more set backs. No more chances on non elite talent at the QB position, it is too important.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;889194]Smoot

Heres what I don't get. Why would the Rams want Orakpo? They have Quinn and Long. Are we trading him to another team to get their first rounder? If so what team?[/quote]

Maybe Rak doesn't end up with the Redskins...or the Rams

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[quote=SmootSmack;889222]Maybe Rak doesn't end up with the Redskins...or the Rams[/quote]

Vikings?

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[quote=diehardskin2982;889219]At this point the NFL is a QB League and you have to do what is needed to get ur guy. We are more likely to find another Orakpo than an RGIII or Peyton Manning. This year we have our chance to get legit player at the QB Position, we need to take. No more set backs. No more chances on non elite talent at the QB position, it is too important.[/quote]

Well that's the million dollar question, who mike thinks is his franchise QB? It all depends one his evaluation of them.

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[quote=SmootSmack;889222]Maybe Rak doesn't end up with the Redskins...or the Rams[/quote]

Agh... When will you be able to tell us the rumor already?

Rak to the colts (plus picks) in an attempt to acquire the first overall? Or Rak to some random pass rush needy team in an effort to recoup some picks after trading up for griffin? Those are my guesses.

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My guess is Bills or patriots (sadly)

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[quote=mbedner3420;889225]Agh... When will you be able to tell us the rumor already?

Rak to the colts (plus picks) in an attempt to acquire the first overall? Or Rak to some random pass rush needy team in an effort to recoup some picks after trading up for griffin? Those are my guesses.[/quote]

The latter, and not a team you'd expect

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[quote=SmootSmack;889229]The latter, and not a team you'd expect[/quote]

I'm calling it right now: Winnipeg Blue Bombers

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[quote=redskins5044;889216]Being a redskins fan we are used to these type of christmases, we all have high hopes and then end up with coal. We have drafted QB's before in the 1st round and never left them develop, either too quick to plug on them for the old vet or we switch the o-coordinator. I just hope if we get a young QB he is groomed and given a chance to develop.[/quote]

Well in all fairness Heath Schuler was the type of shot that a struggling franchise needed to take and unfortunately the mid 90's were devoid of either scouting or QB talent in general when it came to the draft. Especially 1994 through 1997.

These days we have better scouting and kids being groomed 24/7 to play QB which doesn't necessarily mean a surplus of QB's but it at least assures that we won't have a repeat of the 90's when it comes to first round QB prospects which were absolutely terrible compared to the 2000's.

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I'm gonna guess the Falcons. The need help rushing the passer but it's not an obvious choice.

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[quote=mbedner3420;889232]I'm calling it right now: Winnipeg Blue Bombers[/quote]

Allen Wranglers actually. Good guess though

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[quote=SmootSmack;889229]The latter, and not a team you'd expect[/quote]

Patriots!! They never trade up or trade first rounders for Big Name players!

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trade picks, not our rock solid starters. that's how i feel

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orakpo would be a first round value i assume right? this brings up a bunch of questions i wonder what position we go after this does happen? will we pursue mario williams if we have a good hunch a team will go through with the deal?

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[quote=los panda;889238]trade picks, not our rock solid starters. that's how i feel[/quote]

What if we could pick up a much more rock solid-y-er starter like Mario Williams?

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[quote=SmootSmack;889229]The latter, and not a team you'd expect[/quote]

My guess is the Bengals.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;889242]My guess is the Bengals.[/quote]

my second guess. Plus they have 2 firsts

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Ohhh what if its the Jets..or even the NY Giants...

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giants dont need another pass rusher i wouldnt think, but ya never know

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[quote=GreekSkin;889235]I'm gonna guess the Falcons. The need help rushing the passer but it's not an obvious choice.[/quote]

The Falcons have no first round pick. If they traded any of their other picks they'd have no draft left.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;889247]giants dont need another pass rusher i wouldnt think, but ya never know[/quote]

well Umenyiora may not be back and they have Tollefson headed to FA, so it definitely could happen because they love DL flexibility, the problem is that we wouldn't trade a great pass rusher to a division rival, but you wouldn't think that about philly and mcnabb so you never know!

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[quote=mbedner3420;889241]What if we could pick up a much more rock solid-y-er starter like Mario Williams?[/quote]i like williams, but i don't see a need for him here. i see a greater need in the secondary

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[quote=los panda;889258]i like williams, but i don't see a need for him here. i see a greater need in the secondary[/quote]

If the Texans don't keep Williams, he'd likely go to a 4-3 team.

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[quote=celts32;889201]So what do you suggest the Redskins do at QB until draft day if RG3 is who they really want? Do they do nothing and hope to win this stare down with the Rams? Do they blow 20 mil of this years cap room on Manning when they really want RG3? As of now John Beck is their only QB on the roster. Maybe making the trade now costs an extra pick or two but it also saves a bunch of wasted cap dollars on unneeded contingency plans...[/quote]That's a fair point, and I wasn't really trying to advise the Redskins to wait. Rather I was simply pointing out that I don't believe there is any merit to the argument that if the Redskins wait, they won't be able to get RG3 later.

As long as the Browns are as non-committal about moving up as they currently are, the Redskins (not the Rams) control the action. The Rams are not *representing* the RG3 pick. Before we can conclude that RG3 is definitely going to be the second pick, the Rams would have to come out and at least bluff the fact that they are going to take him in that slot if they don't get a deal to their liking. At that point, you'd have to at least honor the fact that you have to go through the Rams to get RG3 because if you don't, he's going to quarterback the Rams next year.

Fisher's not doing that though. He said he's going to deal the pick to highest bidder. Right now, that's the Redskins. So the Redskins, not the Rams, hold the cards right now.

That can change of course. If the Dolphins were to offer their entire 2012 draft plus their 2013 first rounder for the second pick, they'd probably get RG3. But that was never not the case. Any team who wants to double market value can have the pick. They won't have enough talent around him to win, but they can have him.

I'm not saying the Redskins should definitely wait out the Rams here, and I'm not saying they shouldn't make the trade now. I am saying that it's not necessary that they agree to terms at the combine, or they'll never have another chance to get him.

But a lot of things can swing the market in the Redskins favor: Flynn might leave Green Bay, Manning might leave Indy, Kolb could hit the market again, Tannehill might shoot the lights out at his pro day. Kellen Moore might show up to his pro day completely jacked (well, maybe not that last one). The Redskins can call their shot here, and probably should.

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I haven't posted much recently but Id by lying if I said I haven't hit refresh on a 'QB Rumors' thread 5000 times... Id prefer a thread that didn't start with rumor...

With all the talk and hype about RG3 today I actually find myself leaning more towards Manning. I didn't want Mannig before but he seems like he'll be 100% this year. Yes he can't be our QB for 10 years, but if you look at if for 3 years think about how much better we would be. For the time being we would have a QB. Then we would also have at least 3 first round picks, and a 2nd and 3rd (average trade value I've seen for moving up for RG3)

Id LOVE to have RGIII. But RG3 over Manning and possibly 5 other starters...it just seems like too much to move up a few spots...

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It's possible though that the Redskins are just trying to pressure a team into showing their hand the way that some owners will leak information about a potential move to see how it will be received.

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[quote=SKINSnCANES;889278]I haven't posted much recently but Id by lying if I said I haven't hit refresh on a 'QB Rumors' thread 5000 times... Id prefer a thread that didn't start with rumor...

With all the talk and hype about RG3 today I actually find myself leaning more towards Manning. I didn't want Mannig before but he seems like he'll be 100% this year. Yes he can't be our QB for 10 years, but if you look at if for 3 years think about how much better we would be. For the time being we would have a QB. Then we would also have at least 3 first round picks, and a 2nd and 3rd (average trade value I've seen for moving up for RG3)

Id LOVE to have RGIII. But RG3 over Manning and possibly 5 other starters...it just seems like too much to move up a few spots...[/quote]

Yep. Manning for me. I just don't know if this is the guy. I like the kid, good college skills, but to be honest this whole deal is a big gamble and if it fails we are left with out some ammo for talent.

I would prefer to keep our picks and gamble cash on Manning then gamble 2 years of high draft picks.

I would still almost consider trading Rak and drafting a better fit for an OLB in our 3-4 with that pick, despite not moving up to draft RGIII.

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;889214]That is one of the best quotes I have seen in a long damn time! Thanks for the laugh![/quote]

Your welcome!

I was proud of that one. lol

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;889281]Yep. Manning for me. I just don't know if this is the guy. I like the kid, good college skills, but to be honest this whole deal is a big gamble and if it fails we are left with out some ammo for talent.

I would prefer to keep our picks and gamble cash on Manning then gamble 2 years of high draft picks.

I would still almost consider trading Rak and drafting a better fit for an OLB in our 3-4 with that pick, despite not moving up to draft RGIII.[/quote]

Don't get me wrong, even if we get Manning, if RG3 falls for some reason I'm happy to take him. Or at that point id even be happy getting a ransom from another team looking to move up. Everyone says it won't happen but you never know with the draft.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;889281]Yep. Manning for me. I just don't know if this is the guy. I like the kid, good college skills, but to be honest this whole deal is a big gamble and if it fails we are left with out some ammo for talent.

I would prefer to keep our picks and gamble cash on Manning then gamble 2 years of high draft picks.

I would still almost consider trading Rak and drafting a better fit for an OLB in our 3-4 with that pick, despite not moving up to draft RGIII.[/quote]

I understand people saying RGIII is a gamble but I think that gamble is only really medical as his playing style is risky. In terms of potential impact he's about as safe as you can get at the QB position.

As I've pointed out before Michael Vick sucked as a QB in Atlanta. Could barely complete over 55% of his passes if that, never threw for over 3,000 yards, didn't study the playbook, etc. And yet the Falcons won games and were almost unstoppable on the ground. And all this with a guy that was basically running around with his head cut off.

Now throw in a 140 IQ, great work ethic, 65%+ accuracy, with Vick's arm and speed in an offense that puts him on the move and reassess the risk.

I admit there is a risk that he might have problem transitioning from a spread style offense to a pro style making traditional reads but even if he fails in that area as bad as Vick did we'll still win games. Downside is we won't win the Super Bowl but almost anything is better then these post 1991 years.

Bottom line, truly athleticly-gifted QB's will always find success in this league. How much success will be determined by how they develop as passers but ironically the floor is higher then that of any traditional pocket passer.

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[quote=SKINSnCANES;889283]Don't get me wrong, even if we get Manning, if RG3 falls for some reason I'm happy to take him. Or at that point id even be happy getting a ransom from another team looking to move up. Everyone says it won't happen but you never know with the draft.[/quote]

Completely agree.

I suppose Dirt, I just don't think we can say he is a sure fire success. I am not at that point. I watched some of his games. He has skill for sure, but will it all translate. Will he get blasted at some point and be done for a few games? Who knows maybe I am wrong.

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I must say, while I think it is nice that RG3 ran such a good 40 time...in a way I don't know how that makes him more valuable. The guy is a QB...yes it is nice to have a fast QB and he'd become a double threat, but he is still a QB. Cam Newton ran a 4.6 40 and he is a double threat. In the end, I want RG3 to be a good passer and decision maker, which I am sure he can do. I just thing that people are too enamored with the 40 in this situation.

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[quote=Ruhskins;889295]I must say, while I think it is nice that RG3 ran such a good 40 time...in a way I don't know how that makes him more valuable. The guy is a QB...yes it is nice to have a fast QB and he'd become a double threat, but he is still a QB. Cam Newton ran a 4.6 40 and he is a double threat. In the end, I want RG3 to be a good passer and decision maker, which I am sure he can do. I just thing that people are too enamored with the 40 in this situation.[/quote]

Well it confirms what we already knew, he's a great athlete.

In the end thought it's just your typical combine hype, something to talk about until some real news comes along.

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I think it's also the fact that people were doubting he would run that fast or actually clear 6' 2" that has people talking so much. Couple that with his (by all accounts) stellar interviews and the hype is obvious.

[quote=Lotus;889248]The Falcons have no first round pick. If they traded any of their other picks they'd have no draft left.[/quote]

oops, forgot they traded away the farm last year.

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[quote=Ruhskins;889295]I must say, while I think it is nice that RG3 ran such a good 40 time...in a way I don't know how that makes him more valuable. The guy is a QB...yes it is nice to have a fast QB and he'd become a double threat, but he is still a QB. Cam Newton ran a 4.6 40 and he is a double threat. In the end, I want RG3 to be a good passer and decision maker, which I am sure he can do. I just thing that people are too enamored with the 40 in this situation.[/quote]

Well between the tape and his olympic background we already knew he was fast. His 40 time just helped confirmed that.

It's like when you take a test that you're completely prepared for and you feel comfortable with all the questions. You're pretty sure afterwards you got an A you just don't know how high until your teacher gives you the results.

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[quote=Mattyk;889296]Well it confirms what we already knew, [B]he's a great athlete.[/B]

In the end thought it's just your typical combine hype, something to talk about until some real news comes along.[/quote]

Good point. I must say, I am more looking forward to seeing his pro day, Luck's too.

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[quote=GreekSkin;889297]I think it's also the fact that people were doubting he would run that fast or actually clear 6' 2" that has people talking so much. Couple that with his (by all accounts) stellar interviews and the hype is obvious. [/quote]

yup, he proved he was worth the hype

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[quote=SmootSmack;889229]The latter, and not a team you'd expect[/quote]

My least expected team would be Dallas, or any NFCE team. Outside of that I can't imagine the Skins shiipping him off to a team in the NFC who we might have to play at some point so my guess would be an AFC team.

I wish I could do the 7 degrees of Brian Orakpo but I got nothing.